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    Fia will react to mercedes when the revenue falls of the cliff.Ferrari are experiencing tough times on the f1 track but there following is larger than what mercedes will ever be as they drop off so will the$$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrese86 View Post
    I agree that we need to assert our authority. As a brand no other comes close in formula one, we account for more viewership than any other manufacturer can lay claim to. I don't see why we want to sign the Concorde agreement so readily, this just puts us at a disadvantage. Let's see them call our bluff, there are plenty of other challenges for Ferrari out there.
    In order to assert your authority you need a strong leader. Ferrari is lead by the emo kid who sat in the corner of the class and cried the whole day. Ferrari need someone with testicular fortitude, Mattia isn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6TransAm01 View Post
    In order to assert your authority you need a strong leader. Ferrari is lead by the emo kid who sat in the corner of the class and cried the whole day. Ferrari need someone with testicular fortitude, Mattia isn't it.
    I rate Binotto highly just not in this role, I also do not think it possible to denote him, do not want him to go to Merc as he is excellent at engineering. Why do Ferrari not split the TP role between a tech guy and a politics/public face guy. Can Briatore still work ot is he way too old. He would ruffle some feathers. It may have worked better promoting Binotto to an equal status with Arrivebenne leaving Binotto with tech power and Arrivabene the rest. They were onto something in 2017 and 2018. Ferrari is so much bigger in terms of pressure to any other team no one man could do it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 330 p4 View Post
    I rate Binotto highly just not in this role, I also do not think it possible to denote him, do not want him to go to Merc as he is excellent at engineering. Why do Ferrari not split the TP role between a tech guy and a politics/public face guy. Can Briatore still work ot is he way too old. He would ruffle some feathers. It may have worked better promoting Binotto to an equal status with Arrivebenne leaving Binotto with tech power and Arrivabene the rest. They were onto something in 2017 and 2018. Ferrari is so much bigger in terms of pressure to any other team no one man could do it all.
    I think you are right, he may be a brilliant engineer but he does not seem to have what is required to be to lead the team.

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    Flavio would put Ferrari right back in the race big time. Oh! But he's a Italiano! Flavio is super knowledgeable in all of what makes F-1 work. Ge's been there and back. He spotted Schumy way back and convinced him to go Ferrari.

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    https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/63798...aanse-gp-.html
    Finally ferrari are trying to copy merc car. Target by Spanish GP.

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    Ferrari was victim of espionage by its engine, according to Italian press

    -From Italy they assure that they stole information about the engine and transmitted it to the FIA
    -The FIA-Ferrari private treatment arose from not being able to legally demonstrate the irregularities

    The source of Ferrari's poor performance may lie in a case of industrial espionage. From Italy they claim that someone illegally obtained information about last year's engine from the Scuderia. These data reached the FIA ​​and as a consequence, the Federation reached a private agreement that is unknown to this day.

    Ferrari's speed in Italy last year drew too much attention from its rivals. The Scuderia was in the eye of the hurricane throughout the year due to the suspicions of the other teams about its engine, but especially in the second half of the year, after the victory of Charles Leclerc in Monza.

    The teams asked the FIA ​​for a series of clarifications on different aspects of the engine that they believed Ferrari was not complying with and the Federation responded with several technical directives after which the performance of the Scuderia fell suspiciously.

    Ferrari has not recovered the form it showed in circuits such as Spa, Monza or Sochi and Binotto has admitted that this is a consequence of the technical directives issued by the FIA.

    A year later, the renowned journalist Giorgio Terruzzi reveals that he was able to learn, through an FIA technician, that the campaign to disarm Ferrari began as early as last fall. Terruzzi speaks of an industrial espionage operation started by a Scuderia rival "with the complicity of someone who knows the Scuderia's best-kept secrets."

    The leaked information reached the FIA, which could not legally demonstrate that the engine was not in compliance with the regulations and instead decided to reach a confidential agreement with Scuderia, of which the content is unknown today and which made those in red lose a series of developments considered "irregular".

    The team's debacle was seen mostly from Austin last year, where Charles Leclerc could only be fourth and finished 52 seconds behind GP winner Valtteri Bottas. Incidents like the one in Brazil, with a touch between the drivers and double abandonment, did not help in a season that ended with Leclerc on the podium in Abu Dhabi, but 43 seconds behind the winner.

    The preseason 2020 did not leave us a better image either, because Ferrari was the only team that did not manage to improve its best time of 2019 and it was already seen in the tests that they had lost speed on the straight.

    Charles Leclerc predicted that this year they would suffer more than in 2019 and that is the way it is: although the Monegasque was able to get a podium in the first race, the Scuderia suffers a badly born car project and a 'capped' engine. They have moved on to another league: from fighting Red Bull to fighting against Racing Point and McLaren that have been reinforced this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/63798...aanse-gp-.html
    Finally ferrari are trying to copy merc car. Target by Spanish GP.
    What good would that do? We still have the “donkey” power engine

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    What good would that do? We still have the “donkey” power engine
    Why throw money on this donkey, spend all money you can on 2022 car

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    What good would that do? We still have the “donkey” power engine
    Maybe you haven't heard, but in Italy STYLE follows before anything else.
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Maybe you haven't heard, but in Italy STYLE follows before anything else.
    So we gotta make the “turd” look good? Hey if we’re a midfield team, mid as well look pretty with a nose job, NO? Better then the fat nose we gots now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Ferrari was victim of espionage by its engine, according to Italian press

    -From Italy they assure that they stole information about the engine and transmitted it to the FIA
    -The FIA-Ferrari private treatment arose from not being able to legally demonstrate the irregularities

    The source of Ferrari's poor performance may lie in a case of industrial espionage. From Italy they claim that someone illegally obtained information about last year's engine from the Scuderia. These data reached the FIA ​​and as a consequence, the Federation reached a private agreement that is unknown to this day.

    Ferrari's speed in Italy last year drew too much attention from its rivals. The Scuderia was in the eye of the hurricane throughout the year due to the suspicions of the other teams about its engine, but especially in the second half of the year, after the victory of Charles Leclerc in Monza.

    The teams asked the FIA ​​for a series of clarifications on different aspects of the engine that they believed Ferrari was not complying with and the Federation responded with several technical directives after which the performance of the Scuderia fell suspiciously.

    Ferrari has not recovered the form it showed in circuits such as Spa, Monza or Sochi and Binotto has admitted that this is a consequence of the technical directives issued by the FIA.

    A year later, the renowned journalist Giorgio Terruzzi reveals that he was able to learn, through an FIA technician, that the campaign to disarm Ferrari began as early as last fall. Terruzzi speaks of an industrial espionage operation started by a Scuderia rival "with the complicity of someone who knows the Scuderia's best-kept secrets."

    The leaked information reached the FIA, which could not legally demonstrate that the engine was not in compliance with the regulations and instead decided to reach a confidential agreement with Scuderia, of which the content is unknown today and which made those in red lose a series of developments considered "irregular".

    The team's debacle was seen mostly from Austin last year, where Charles Leclerc could only be fourth and finished 52 seconds behind GP winner Valtteri Bottas. Incidents like the one in Brazil, with a touch between the drivers and double abandonment, did not help in a season that ended with Leclerc on the podium in Abu Dhabi, but 43 seconds behind the winner.

    The preseason 2020 did not leave us a better image either, because Ferrari was the only team that did not manage to improve its best time of 2019 and it was already seen in the tests that they had lost speed on the straight.

    Charles Leclerc predicted that this year they would suffer more than in 2019 and that is the way it is: although the Monegasque was able to get a podium in the first race, the Scuderia suffers a badly born car project and a 'capped' engine. They have moved on to another league: from fighting Red Bull to fighting against Racing Point and McLaren that have been reinforced this year.

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    Any guesses which team was working in this industrial espionage campaign against Ferrari?

    Why have Ferrari not taken legal action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPZ View Post
    Any guesses which team was working in this industrial espionage campaign against Ferrari?

    Why have Ferrari not taken legal action?
    as WS6TransAm01 would say, you NEED someone with BIG cojones to stand up to the FIA as well as whichever team was working in this espionage (prolly Merc and red fools together)....but in out case....we're spineless jelly fish with absolutely NO back bone.....

    gone are the days when Ross and midged Todt ran the show.....man i miss those days

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Ferrari was victim of espionage by its engine, according to Italian press

    -From Italy they assure that they stole information about the engine and transmitted it to the FIA
    -The FIA-Ferrari private treatment arose from not being able to legally demonstrate the irregularities

    The source of Ferrari's poor performance may lie in a case of industrial espionage. From Italy they claim that someone illegally obtained information about last year's engine from the Scuderia. These data reached the FIA ​​and as a consequence, the Federation reached a private agreement that is unknown to this day.

    Ferrari's speed in Italy last year drew too much attention from its rivals. The Scuderia was in the eye of the hurricane throughout the year due to the suspicions of the other teams about its engine, but especially in the second half of the year, after the victory of Charles Leclerc in Monza.

    The teams asked the FIA ​​for a series of clarifications on different aspects of the engine that they believed Ferrari was not complying with and the Federation responded with several technical directives after which the performance of the Scuderia fell suspiciously.

    Ferrari has not recovered the form it showed in circuits such as Spa, Monza or Sochi and Binotto has admitted that this is a consequence of the technical directives issued by the FIA.

    A year later, the renowned journalist Giorgio Terruzzi reveals that he was able to learn, through an FIA technician, that the campaign to disarm Ferrari began as early as last fall. Terruzzi speaks of an industrial espionage operation started by a Scuderia rival "with the complicity of someone who knows the Scuderia's best-kept secrets."

    The leaked information reached the FIA, which could not legally demonstrate that the engine was not in compliance with the regulations and instead decided to reach a confidential agreement with Scuderia, of which the content is unknown today and which made those in red lose a series of developments considered "irregular".

    The team's debacle was seen mostly from Austin last year, where Charles Leclerc could only be fourth and finished 52 seconds behind GP winner Valtteri Bottas. Incidents like the one in Brazil, with a touch between the drivers and double abandonment, did not help in a season that ended with Leclerc on the podium in Abu Dhabi, but 43 seconds behind the winner.

    The preseason 2020 did not leave us a better image either, because Ferrari was the only team that did not manage to improve its best time of 2019 and it was already seen in the tests that they had lost speed on the straight.

    Charles Leclerc predicted that this year they would suffer more than in 2019 and that is the way it is: although the Monegasque was able to get a podium in the first race, the Scuderia suffers a badly born car project and a 'capped' engine. They have moved on to another league: from fighting Red Bull to fighting against Racing Point and McLaren that have been reinforced this year.

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    This doesn’t buy well. If there’s such activity
    1. Ferrari has every authority take an action against the so called “unknown”
    2. Ferrari has every right take information from FIA, because it’s ferrari engine not FIA.
    3. When they call “nothing is proven illegal” then why reach to the agreement?
    4. Ok let’s believe someone has provided some information on Ferrari. So FIA is leaving one team handicapped, by taking such information from secret provider? Then it isn’t called proper racing or equal opportunity to race ?
    5. Above all, where’s the data integrity in Ferrari organisation? It’s a question of policies & security for the data.

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    BREAKING: Scuderia Ferrari has restructured its technical department to render it more effective and assure a more holistic emphasis on performance development. To this end, it has also established a new Performance Development department, headed up by Enrico Cardile.
    Unchanged
    Enrico Gualtieri - Power unit
    Laurent Mekies - sporting director & track side activities
    Simone Resta - Head of chassis Dept

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    Binotto: "We have started to lay the foundations of a process which should lead to a new and enduring winning cycle. It will take some time and we will suffer setbacks like the one we are experiencing right now in terms of results and performance.
    However, we must react to these shortcomings with strength and determination to get back to being at the very top of this sport as soon as possible. This is what we all want and what our fans all over the world expect of us.
    As hinted at a few days ago, we are making changes to the technical side of the organisation so as to speed up the design and development on the car performance front. A change of direction was needed to define clear lines of responsibility and working processes, while reaffirming the company’s faith in its technical talent pool.

    The department run by Enrico Cardile will be able to count on the experience of Rory Byrne and established engineers such as David Sanchez. It will be the cornerstone of the car’s development.
    We believe Ferrari personnel are of the highest level and we have nothing to envy about our main competitors in this respect, but we had to make a decisive change, raising the bar in terms of the responsibilities of the department heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Maybe you haven't heard, but in Italy STYLE follows before anything else.
    Why do you support a team from a country that you clearly dislike? Maybe it's time to select another team....
    Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    This doesn’t buy well. If there’s such activity
    1. Ferrari has every authority take an action against the so called “unknown”
    2. Ferrari has every right take information from FIA, because it’s ferrari engine not FIA.
    3. When they call “nothing is proven illegal” then why reach to the agreement?
    4. Ok let’s believe someone has provided some information on Ferrari. So FIA is leaving one team handicapped, by taking such information from secret provider? Then it isn’t called proper racing or equal opportunity to race ?
    5. Above all, where’s the data integrity in Ferrari organisation? It’s a question of policies & security for the data.
    I guess if it's true and no action has been taken, it's probably because Ferrari doesn't know who it is yet either... if this theory is true, eventually the person will be found and fired... given that this person is pretty senior from what the rumor suggests, then it would come as a "shock" to fans....
    Rest in Peace Leza, you were a true warrior...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    This doesn’t buy well. If there’s such activity
    1. Ferrari has every authority take an action against the so called “unknown”
    2. Ferrari has every right take information from FIA, because it’s ferrari engine not FIA.
    3. When they call “nothing is proven illegal” then why reach to the agreement?
    4. Ok let’s believe someone has provided some information on Ferrari. So FIA is leaving one team handicapped, by taking such information from secret provider? Then it isn’t called proper racing or equal opportunity to race ?
    5. Above all, where’s the data integrity in Ferrari organisation? It’s a question of policies & security for the data.
    Why would they entrust their data to a Russian government owned "security" company, kaspersky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    Why do you support a team from a country that you clearly dislike? Maybe it's time to select another team....
    Where's the dislike???

    IS NOT ITALY THE "MECCA" OF STYLE when it comes to apparrel, automobiles, mens and womens shoes, and so forth??? I LOVE Iitaly for it.

    If anything, my statement was a jab at the Scuderia and the statement from the OP. What difference does it make if you change the outside of the car, the engne needs work....it needs anywhere from 40 to 50hp in addition...but the Scuderia would rather focus on the "suit" instead of the person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Ferrari was victim of espionage by its engine, according to Italian press

    -From Italy they assure that they stole information about the engine and transmitted it to the FIA
    -The FIA-Ferrari private treatment arose from not being able to legally demonstrate the irregularities

    The source of Ferrari's poor performance may lie in a case of industrial espionage. From Italy they claim that someone illegally obtained information about last year's engine from the Scuderia. These data reached the FIA ​​and as a consequence, the Federation reached a private agreement that is unknown to this day.

    Ferrari's speed in Italy last year drew too much attention from its rivals. The Scuderia was in the eye of the hurricane throughout the year due to the suspicions of the other teams about its engine, but especially in the second half of the year, after the victory of Charles Leclerc in Monza.

    The teams asked the FIA ​​for a series of clarifications on different aspects of the engine that they believed Ferrari was not complying with and the Federation responded with several technical directives after which the performance of the Scuderia fell suspiciously.

    Ferrari has not recovered the form it showed in circuits such as Spa, Monza or Sochi and Binotto has admitted that this is a consequence of the technical directives issued by the FIA.

    A year later, the renowned journalist Giorgio Terruzzi reveals that he was able to learn, through an FIA technician, that the campaign to disarm Ferrari began as early as last fall. Terruzzi speaks of an industrial espionage operation started by a Scuderia rival "with the complicity of someone who knows the Scuderia's best-kept secrets."

    The leaked information reached the FIA, which could not legally demonstrate that the engine was not in compliance with the regulations and instead decided to reach a confidential agreement with Scuderia, of which the content is unknown today and which made those in red lose a series of developments considered "irregular".

    The team's debacle was seen mostly from Austin last year, where Charles Leclerc could only be fourth and finished 52 seconds behind GP winner Valtteri Bottas. Incidents like the one in Brazil, with a touch between the drivers and double abandonment, did not help in a season that ended with Leclerc on the podium in Abu Dhabi, but 43 seconds behind the winner.

    The preseason 2020 did not leave us a better image either, because Ferrari was the only team that did not manage to improve its best time of 2019 and it was already seen in the tests that they had lost speed on the straight.

    Charles Leclerc predicted that this year they would suffer more than in 2019 and that is the way it is: although the Monegasque was able to get a podium in the first race, the Scuderia suffers a badly born car project and a 'capped' engine. They have moved on to another league: from fighting Red Bull to fighting against Racing Point and McLaren that have been reinforced this year.

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    I wander, when FIA could not legally demonstrate that Ferrari was exploiting some loophole or gray are, why the heck Ferrari agree to any agreement with them?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    I wander, when FIA could not legally demonstrate that Ferrari was exploiting some loophole or gray are, why the heck Ferrari agree to any agreement with them?!?!
    That’s the point even I’m thinking & highlighted it above.

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    Ferrari just panicked and excepted the fia settlement fearing disqulification. Ferrari should have stood there ground and taken the fia on head first.An influential and strong leader would have flavio Briatore would have stood up.The odds were probably 50/50 and Ferrari settled, protecting whatever God only knows.The fact that there is a big internal leak is of concern as they say at Ferrari he'll has no fury compared to a sacked Ferrari employee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    as WS6TransAm01 would say, you NEED someone with BIG cojones to stand up to the FIA as well as whichever team was working in this espionage (prolly Merc and red fools together)....but in out case....we're spineless jelly fish with absolutely NO back bone.....

    gone are the days when Ross and midged Todt ran the show.....man i miss those days
    Watch your language because the Mods will get their panties in a bunch and erase your posts and PM you warnings. You think their menstrual cycles are synced?

    Otherwise, yes, I would say that. LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    Why do you support a team from a country that you clearly dislike? Maybe it's time to select another team....
    What does the country have to do with the team? If we are going to be making dumb statements like that one could ask you; "Why do you support a team from a country which invented fascism?" One can support a team and still criticize the country the come from as well as their leadership.

    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    I wander, when FIA could not legally demonstrate that Ferrari was exploiting some loophole or gray are, why the heck Ferrari agree to any agreement with them?!?!
    EXACTLY!

    See FerrariF60's post above for the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6TransAm01 View Post
    Watch your language because the Mods will get their panties in a bunch and erase your posts and PM you warnings. You think their menstrual cycles are synced?

    Otherwise, yes, I would say that. LOL



    What does the country have to do with the team? If we are going to be making dumb statements like that one could ask you; "Why do you support a team from a country which invented fascism?" One can support a team and still criticize the country the come from as well as their leadership.



    EXACTLY!

    See FerrariF60's post above for the answer.
    Ferrari will be staying in Italy, if you think everyone is dumb in Italy, first of all that would be prejudice, secondly if you're wasting your time following a team that you think is full of stupid Italian people, what does that say about you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paolo lalli View Post
    Ferrari just panicked and excepted the fia settlement fearing disqulification.
    I'm not sure they panicked but, they have endured years of very targeted Technical Directives... Maybe nothing was "illegal" but you must shift your focus because the TD tightens the rules in that area. If nothing else it wastes your time!

    Additionally, Mercedes most certainly have benifited from the highly technical knowledge. It certainly explains their superiority without ever seeming to change direction of a design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6TransAm01 View Post
    Watch your language because the Mods will get their panties in a bunch and erase your posts and PM you warnings. You think their menstrual cycles are synced?

    Otherwise, yes, I would say that. LOL



    What does the country have to do with the team? If we are going to be making dumb statements like that one could ask you; "Why do you support a team from a country which invented fascism?" One can support a team and still criticize the country the come from as well as their leadership.



    EXACTLY!

    See FerrariF60's post above for the answer.
    The country has everything to do with the team. Please stop bashing Italy and Italians. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if people started ragging on America and Americans.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/james-...rari-pressure/

    “Working at Ferrari is in many ways an unalloyed joy, but the country is so pro-the team, the brand is so strong, the history and heritage of Ferrari are so important that you do feel you are part of something that is itself important, and that’s a real strength for that group"
    ~FORZA FERRARI~

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    Do you think that FERRARI will be putting all the info in this car and Vetel will send it to Training Point. We will have a weak car this year to have a different the next one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NasI View Post
    Do you think that FERRARI will be putting all the info in this car and Vetel will send it to Training Point. We will have a weak car this year to have a different the next one!
    And what makes you think next year's car will be any better than the current one? Every year there are correlation issues, every year there has to be at least a single upgrade which makes the car slower. It has become a norm.

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    Next year will be better. Rory's back and he's bringing the new super mega floor.

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