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    Quote Originally Posted by ntukza View Post
    Apparently the guy who tipped off the FIA about our 2019 engine is all up inside Byrne's computer, watching him like a hawk.
    lol.......good one

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    Red Bull and AlphaTauri are on the search for a new power unit supplier after the shock announcement that Honda will withdraw from Formula 1 at the end of 2021.
    The Japanese engine manufacturer returned to the championship in 2015 with McLaren, having been inspired by the new breed of power units that focused on hybrid and energy recovery technology.
    They suffered a difficult and unsuccessful partnership, culminating in them splitting up and Honda joining forces with Toro Rosso for 2018, before taking on Red Bull as a works team the following year.
    Across the two teams, they have clinched five race victories to date in their two-and-a-half-year partnership with the Red Bull family.

    Honda said the decision had been made because the automobile industry was going through a "once-in-one-hundred-years period of great transformation" and that they'll leave have been "able to attain its goal of earning victories".
    "Honda will work together with Red Bull Racing and Scuderia AlphaTauri to continue competing with its utmost effort and strive for more victories all the way to the end of the 2021 season," the Japanese company added in a statement.
    The decision will leave Formula 1 with three power unit suppliers – Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault. Under the current rules, Renault would be obliged to supply Red Bull and AlphaTauri with engines as they currently have the fewest customers, unless the teams can convince Mercedes or Ferrari to provide a supply.
    Red Bull – on behalf of both their works team and AlphaTauri – have recently committed to the new Concorde Agreement, which binds them to the championship until the end of 2025.
    "We look forward to embarking on a new era of innovation, development and success," said Red Bull boss Christian Horner, who said he understood and respected Honda's decision.
    "As a group, we will now take the time afforded to us to further evaluate and find the most competitive power unit solution for 2022 and beyond.”

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    Now RB will go back to Renault engine. How will it be for max Verstappen

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    MV's contract is now free, I see him driving for Mercedes next. Or Merc supplies engine to RBR and Ham/Max will be teammates at RBR

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Now RB will go back to Renault engine. How will it be for max Verstappen
    I don't know why you would want Mercedes to have less competition but RBR are the only team even remotely capable of pressuring them at the moment. I think it's a shame Honda are leaving

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    Quote Originally Posted by S1000RR View Post
    MV's contract is now free, I see him driving for Mercedes next. Or Merc supplies engine to RBR and Ham/Max will be teammates at RBR
    Extremely unlikely for Mercedes to supply engines to RedBull and Alpha Tauri because they already supply engines for 4 teams including themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Now RB will go back to Renault engine. How will it be for max Verstappen
    He had really humiliated Renault back in 2017, maybe not to the extent to which Alonso did to Honda but it would've been enough to completely burn bridges. What Marko and Horner did wasn't flattering either. Karma struck and Cyril will have the last laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC Fan View Post
    He had really humiliated Renault back in 2017, maybe not to the extent to which Alonso did to Honda but it would've been enough to completely burn bridges. What Marko and Horner did wasn't flattering either. Karma struck and Cyril will have the last laugh.
    Yup. I’m seeing max exiting RB 2021. Even though he signed contract till 2023.
    But what are the options for him?
    1. RB- Renault : Patch up
    2. Mercs : if Lewis leaves, then Merc will get max.
    3. Renault : if Renault is a force, then after Alonso exit. They will get max in.
    4. Ferrari : no need
    5. McLaren : DR/Lando looks like long term deal.
    6. Aston Martin: vettel/stroll, if vettel is out then there’s potential for Max in.

    So there are options for him. No worries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S1000RR View Post
    MV's contract is now free, I see him driving for Mercedes next. Or Merc supplies engine to RBR and Ham/Max will be teammates at RBR
    Hamilton will certainly retire at the end of 2021 after breaking the records. He would want to retire on a high emulating his idol Rosberg. Max will quickly fill in. Seb will have a clause too that if he gets an offer from either Mercedes or Red Bull, he can leave. He may get that offer from Red Bull after Verstappen leaves. There will be turmoil everywhere for sure. Ferrari is the only team to have everything sorted for the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Yup. I’m seeing max exiting RB 2021. Even though he signed contract till 2023.
    But what are the options for him?
    1. RB- Renault : Patch up
    2. Mercs : if Lewis leaves, then Merc will get max.
    3. Renault : if Renault is a force, then after Alonso exit. They will get max in.
    4. Ferrari : no need
    5. McLaren : DR/Lando looks like long term deal.
    6. Aston Martin: vettel/stroll, if vettel is out then there’s potential for Max in.

    So there are options for him. No worries.
    Marko promised him youngest pole sitter then youngest world champion then world champion. It does not look like it will happen next year too. And then with engine change, Verstappen very well knows that Red Bull would be nowhere in the first year of engine change in 2022. Looks like the stars have aligned for his entry into Mercedes in 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redfive View Post
    I don't know why you would want Mercedes to have less competition but RBR are the only team even remotely capable of pressuring them at the moment. I think it's a shame Honda are leaving
    Mercedes already declined them engines in 2017. Hamilton said if we (Mercedes) want to win, we should not supply engines to Red Bull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC Fan View Post
    He had really humiliated Renault back in 2017, maybe not to the extent to which Alonso did to Honda but it would've been enough to completely burn bridges. What Marko and Horner did wasn't flattering either. Karma struck and Cyril will have the last laugh.
    Can't Red Bull quit F1 too? Back in around 2016, they did threaten to leave saying either Audi is coming or we are out. They were part of the Concorde Agreement back then too and yet they were threatening to leave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Can't Red Bull quit F1 too? Back in around 2016, they did threaten to leave saying either Audi is coming or we are out. They were part of the Concorde Agreement back then too and yet they were threatening to leave?
    Back then it was more of a bargaining chip tbh, just some bluffing to the media to get the FIA sign a more suitable agreement. This time the concern would be genuine; not only are they losing Honda, they're also risking Verstappen leaving for whom no replacement is available on the grid, Hamilton won't be leaving Mercedes no matter what and Charles is signed till 2024 with a contract that is unfavourable in terms of exit clauses. No one else are nearly adaptable enough to drive a car that is rough to handle (Ricciardo struggled massively in 2015 and you can see the same with Seb now).
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    Renault are obligated to supply RedBull with PU's after the Honda exit.

    It's in the rules.
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    What a company. Just out of blue announces the departure, typical Honda.

    On one hand, this is bad news for F1 and I don't see this news as a cause for celebration. Now only 3 engine manufacturers left, and there is no guarantee of Renault/Mercedes staying for the next 5 years. Domenicalli has a tough few years ahead of him.

    On the other hand, I have zero sympathy for Horner-Marko. They've made their bed, they've burned bridges and I don't think Renault are too keen to work with them again. I don't think Mercedes will supply them engines, and I sure as hell hope that Ferrari will stay away from that team.

    The most important aspect is now Max's future, he's not gonna stick with Red Bull for long (which would probably be the end of Red Bull F1). So let's see where he goes next.

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    I don't see how merc can provide engines to them with mclaren and aston martin on board and williams.
    RENAULT under regulations is the candidate and then there is Ferrari.
    All that unless we see another constructor coming in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    What a company. Just out of blue announces the departure, typical Honda.

    On one hand, this is bad news for F1 and I don't see this news as a cause for celebration. Now only 3 engine manufacturers left, and there is no guarantee of Renault/Mercedes staying for the next 5 years. Domenicalli has a tough few years ahead of him.

    On the other hand, I have zero sympathy for Horner-Marko. They've made their bed, they've burned bridges and I don't think Renault are too keen to work with them again. I don't think Mercedes will supply them engines, and I sure as hell hope that Ferrari will stay away from that team.

    The most important aspect is now Max's future, he's not gonna stick with Red Bull for long (which would probably be the end of Red Bull F1). So let's see where he goes next.
    And people still wonder why FIA pays bonus money to Ferrari (in particular), McLaren and Williams. These 3 teams are willing to crash and burn to stay in F1, something that Honda and Mercedes would never do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC Fan View Post
    And people still wonder why FIA pays bonus money to Ferrari (in particular), McLaren and Williams. These 3 teams are willing to crash and burn to stay in F1, something that Honda and Mercedes would never do.
    It's not just that, Scuderia Ferrari is the most valuable racing team in the entire planet. No other racing team comes close to match our market value. The name "Ferrari" brings more money to F1 than anything else, but it's just unfortunate that our current management often seems reluctant to use the huge leverage they have over F1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    What a company. Just out of blue announces the departure, typical Honda.

    On one hand, this is bad news for F1 and I don't see this news as a cause for celebration. Now only 3 engine manufacturers left, and there is no guarantee of Renault/Mercedes staying for the next 5 years. Domenicalli has a tough few years ahead of him.

    On the other hand, I have zero sympathy for Horner-Marko. They've made their bed, they've burned bridges and I don't think Renault are too keen to work with them again. I don't think Mercedes will supply them engines, and I sure as hell hope that Ferrari will stay away from that team.

    The most important aspect is now Max's future, he's not gonna stick with Red Bull for long (which would probably be the end of Red Bull F1). So let's see where he goes next.
    It is definitely sad for F1 - Honda leaving the sport shows that they know they cant beat Merc now, nor in the next rule cycle. In my opinion, they foresee more dominance and want to save themselves the embarrassment and the money. They probably anticipated being much closer this year, once they saw how much pace merc still had they pulled the plug.
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    A year ago in this very month, Horner-Marko-Max were running their mouth about our engine.

    And a year later in this very same month, they have found out that Honda is leaving. Hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t View Post
    It is definitely sad for F1 - Honda leaving the sport shows that they know they cant beat Merc now, nor in the next rule cycle. In m opinion, they foresee more dominance and want to save themselves the embarrassment and the money. They probably anticipated being much closer this year, once they saw how much pace merc still had they pulled the plug.
    Yup, I don't care one bit about Red Bull. But Honda's departure is a big red signal for this sport. What happens if Renault decides to leave next year? Can Ferrari and Mercedes supply the entire grid? I don't think so.
    The FIA needs to get their act together. Freezing aero and engine parts is not the answer, reducing the overall cost of manufacturing current power units is the way to go.

    Current engine formula is heavily dependent on ICE. They must put more emphasis on electrical components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    A year ago in this very month, Horner-Marko-Max were running their mouth about our engine.

    And a year later in this very same month, they have found out that Honda is leaving. Hilarious.
    That's why people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. In just 1 year (2021) they will be losing Honda and might lose Verstappen. Let's see how Horner will ****** talk his way out of this one.
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    What a shame, they screwed McLaren and Alonso in F1 and Alonso in Indy two times to leave now. Good riddance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t View Post
    It is definitely sad for F1 - Honda leaving the sport shows that they know they cant beat Merc now, nor in the next rule cycle. In my opinion, they foresee more dominance and want to save themselves the embarrassment and the money. They probably anticipated being much closer this year, once they saw how much pace merc still had they pulled the plug.
    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    A year ago in this very month, Horner-Marko-Max were running their mouth about our engine.

    And a year later in this very same month, they have found out that Honda is leaving. Hilarious.
    AFAIR, it was RBR (via Helmut Marko and Max Crashtappen) who were talking ***** about Ferrari, not Honda, I could be wrong.
    However, the fact they're quitting because they 've got a bad time competing against Mercedes, speaks volume about Ferrari, even,no, specially at our current state. We should take a moment to ponder about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom Hearts View Post
    What a shame, they screwed McLaren and Alonso in F1 and Alonso in Indy two times to leave now. Good riddance.
    Mclaren F1: Honda came in 2015 with no help and no guidance not to mention Mclarens size zero chassis.....both Mclaren and Honda were "bumping heads."

    Then Honda switched to Toro Rosso and it was a marriage made in heaven....to get ready for RedBull next year.

    2 different companes with 2 different mind sets.


    Indy: Sato won with a Honda engine when Alonso first entered Indy.......it was a roll of the dice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aroutis View Post
    I don't see how merc can provide engines to them with mclaren and aston martin on board and williams.
    RENAULT under regulations is the candidate and then there is Ferrari.
    All that unless we see another constructor coming in.

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    It's possible, and I stress possible, Porsche might join as an F1 engine supplier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmay View Post
    Hamilton will certainly retire at the end of 2021 after breaking the records. He would want to retire on a high emulating his idol Rosberg. Max will quickly fill in. Seb will have a clause too that if he gets an offer from either Mercedes or Red Bull, he can leave. He may get that offer from Red Bull after Verstappen leaves. There will be turmoil everywhere for sure. Ferrari is the only team to have everything sorted for the near future.


    Quite a shock that Honda is leaving, especially considering their improvements. Probably a good chance Verstappen will end up at Mercedes...

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    Think of this... they came with high aspirations into this year only to find a merc to do whatever they want, their das protest trashed , gap opening, aston martin coming with a shady way due to toto Wolff ways. Why would they stay ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aroutis View Post
    AFAIR, it was RBR (via Helmut Marko and Max Crashtappen) who were talking ***** about Ferrari, not Honda, I could be wrong.
    However, the fact they're quitting because they 've got a bad time competing against Mercedes, speaks volume about Ferrari, even,no, specially at our current state. We should take a moment to ponder about this.
    For this very reason of never ever giving up, I feel Ferrari, McLaren, Williams and Sauber are special. They're racing teams first and then whatever else next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC Fan View Post
    For this very reason of never ever giving up, I feel Ferrari, McLaren, Williams and Sauber are special. They're racing teams first and then whatever else next.
    Well said! That's why F-1 races are great. Even with Merc where they are there's always the podium. And the young drivers like Gasly drive like they got a shot!
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