FIA concludes analysis of Scuderia Ferrari Power Unit reaches settlement with Ferrari

[Greig]

Why would we agree to any deal if we are 100% legal? Seems all very strange.

[Greig]

And you can keep pretending all you like that Mercedes never got caught cheating while escaping punishment. Facts will remain facts.

Such as? Please don't say tyre test, please don't say tyre test. You are gonna say tyre test right?

[Ferrari312T4]

Such as? Please don't say tyre test, please don't say tyre test. You are gonna say tyre test right?

Tire test, there I did it...

[Ferrari312T4]

Perhaps it would have meant that our secrets will be public knowledge if it goes to court. By secrets I mean not cheating but how the engine works, operates etcetera.

[tifosi1993]

Of-course it is strange. And what is more strange is, if other teams feel agitated, so much so that 7 of them jointly issued an statement, then why don't they go to the court and protest against Ferrari's results? Dr. Marko is demanding 24 mil, then fine, go to the International Motorsport Council and protest against Ferrari.

But something tells me, none of them are going to do anything. All they want is a technical directive from the FIA, they want FIA to disclose Ferrari PU's technical information, they want to know how Ferrari achieved those super accelerations at specific power band.

And since the FIA have made it clear with their earlier statement that they don't have a conclusive case against Ferrari, that it was impossible for them to prove there has been a severe breach of the rule book, they can't disclose anything to the public.

[Ferrarichamp]

Such as? Please don't say tyre test, please don't say tyre test. You are gonna say tyre test right?

what tyre test? the pretend one?

[Greig]

what tyre test? the pretend one?

The one they got punished for.....so really do you have any times Merc cheated and got away with it?

[Ferrarichamp]

The one they got punished for.....so really do you have any times Merc cheated and got away with it?

how were they punished?

[tifosi1993]

what tyre test? the pretend one?

It was just innocent miscommunication between Mercedes, FIA, and Pirelli. They never intended to use the current car, but due to some innocent mistake they just ended up with their current car!

And they did get severely punished for such innocent mistake, they were immensely hampered by missing the three-day young driver test.

[Greig]

how were they punished?

IIRC they had to miss a 3 day test?

[Ferrarichamp]

IIRC they had to miss a 3 day test?

wow, that was harsh.

[Greig]

wow, that was harsh.

So we can debate the penalty, but as you said the facts are facts that they did get a punishment. You claim they cheat and get away with it but can't name any times?

[Ferrarichamp]

So we can debate the penalty, but as you said the facts are facts that they did get a punishment. You claim they cheat and get away with it but can't name any times?

how is that punishment? they missed out on one test, but gained valuable data from their own secret testing.

[paolo lalli]

The fia should have left it alone.Now there is no confidence in the fia or the system.They should have disqualified Ferrari if they were cheating.Then all integrity would stand in a fully transparent system,but oh no they had play the can't prove anything card.What a bunch of morons seriously.

[Greig]

how is that punishment? they missed out on one test, but gained valuable data from their own secret testing.

Well they ran 3 days at Barcelona, and missed out on 3 days so I guess it kind of balanced out what they gained....but anyway back to the point, can you say when they cheated and got no punishment?

[Ferrarichamp]

Well they ran 3 days at Barcelona, and missed out on 3 days so I guess it kind of balanced out what they gained....but anyway back to the point, can you say when they cheated and got no punishment?

you just said it yourself, it balanced out what they gained, nothing more than that, so no real punishment.

[Greig]

you just said it yourself, it balanced out what they gained, nothing more than that, so no real punishment.

But they never got away with it, so can you say any other times?

[Ferrarichamp]

But they never got away with it, so can you say any other times?

Again, please explain how they were punished?

[Silent Bob]

We can look at the oil burning situation and compare it to what Ferrari is being accused of. Injecting or permitting oil to be added to the combustion chamber to be combusted for the purpose of increasing power is in essence, bypassing the fuel flow meter. Ferrari did not protest but they did perfect the system and their engine was competitive. The FIA did not say Mercs engine was illegal, it just kept tightening the oil burning limits. If all the teams had protested, should Mercs engine have been considered illegal? It might have considering now you have a second source of fuel.

The FIA should have stated that they could not find Ferrari's engine being illegal and then closed off any loopholes that might be giving them an advantage. That should have been the right way to do it.

[Greig]

Again, please explain how they were punished?

We can go round and round, they got a punishment from the FIA, you claim they cheat with no punishment, so tell when? I am gonna guess you can't so we will leave it there.

[Ferrarichamp]

We can go round and round, they got a punishment from the FIA, you claim they cheat with no punishment, so tell when? I am gonna guess you can't so we will leave it there.

By definition, the word 'punishment' implies some kind of loss...

They missed out on one test, but they had already gained data from previous secret testing as you know. So they lost nothing really as you said in post #135.
I agree we should leave it there as you obviously can't explain the punishment you claim Mercedes suffered.

[SS454]

It really is starting to look like a witch hunt. One that took place in 2019. The statement says the FIA were suspicious of Ferrari's engine performance. While they do have the right, and I agree with that right, but they decided to seize Ferrari's PU and tear it apart looking for any kind of contraband. I would like clarification what justification they can go to those extremes based on suspicion.

In 2014 in particular, but even up to about 2016, Mercedes had a HUGE PU performance advantage. Some where saying upwards of 75 hp. All the way up to 2018 Red Bull said they didn't have a "party mode" for qualifying. Why was there no suspicion towards Mercedes and why were they not completely stripped down and investigated?

[Greig]

By definition, the word 'punishment' implies some kind of loss...

They missed out on one test, but they had already gained data from previous secret testing as you know. So they lost nothing really as you said in post #135.
I agree we should leave it there as you obviously can't explain the punishment you claim Mercedes suffered.

Well in that case you would also have to agree they gained nothing from the secret tyre test so therefore did not cheat...or would that not work for you?

So anyway have you actually got any other time Merc have cheated and got away with it?

[totox]

Why would we agree to any deal if we are 100% legal? Seems all very strange.

Because to prove that you have to take the Pu to the court as evidence and show every aspect of your tech publicy to the teams and FIA to explain that none of the parts of the Pu was illegal. Other teams will never gonna stop asking clarification until they strip down our Pu entirely. I guess that is a good reason.

[totox]

In that way I guess ferrari preferred to pay a huge amount to cease in a ambiguous way all the investigation and keep their tech in private.

[totox]

At the same time is rather obvious that Ferrari were doing something in a very grey area of the rules, but if they stop doing it at the moment that FIA asked for it, it's fine. All teams search for grey areas and try to exploit it while they last.

[da_one]

The FIA wanted changes in Ferrari's engines because there are certain innovations there that are not in the Hybrid Turbo engine blueprint that Mercedes submitted to the FIA that became the basis for the engine rules. It's not cheating, it's just unfair to Mercedes and their golden boy Lewis.

[Silent Bob]

Are we even sure Ferrari was given a penalty?

"The FIA and Scuderia Ferrari have agreed to a number of technical commitments that will improve the monitoring of all Formula 1 Power Units for forthcoming championship seasons as well as assist the FIA in other regulatory duties in Formula 1 and in its research activities on carbon emissions and sustainable fuels."

Could be Ferrari have now got themselves a better position in recommending tech for the new PU's? Would the FIA would want to partner with supposed 'cheats' to assist them in regulating and monitoring power units? Not sure, but it doesn't read like a punishment unless Ferrari has to bankroll a bunch of new initiatives.... still it gives Ferrari some insight they never had before.

[tifosi1993]

In that way I guess ferrari preferred to pay a huge amount to cease in a ambiguous way all the investigation and keep their tech in private.

From where you get the notion that Ferrari payed a huge amount? The settlement between Ferrari and FIA could be many things, it doesn't necessarily mean that Ferrari payed a huge sum. Especially considering the information we got yesterday: there is a material impossibility of proving any rule breaking, aka the FIA don't have a conclusive case against the Scuderia.

[paolo lalli]

Bring back the 2019 PU and engine there is nothing wrong or illegal about it.Mercedes were very nervous because if this was incorporated into this year's chassis then it would definitely be a huge rd block in Lewis Hamilton's record equalling titles.The way mercedes see it, it's now or never to equall Schumacher record and then ultimately beat it.Very very hard to see it ever happening again.