Hungarian GP 2020 Practices and Qualifying

[Brembo]

Agreed. In the 90's and 2000's the rules were constantly changing to prevent dominance of one team...now they're mostly remaining the same to the benefit of the dominance of a single team.

Very true ! 90 s and 2000 s there was "Preventing Dominance " of one team. Todt the midget and Ross kept Rubens in chains to secure dominance for their boss Shumy. Let him pass!!! As of now Bottas is ahead of Lewis with points! Lewis' main driver to beat is his team mate!

[chinmay]

Ferrari improved by 3 tenths from their last year's time.
Red Bull lost 3 tenths.
Mercedes gained a massive 1.4 seconds. That's extremely unusual laptime to gain in a year, even more so on a track like Hungary.

[nani_s23]

Very true ! 90 s and 2000 s there was "Preventing Dominance " of one team. Todt the midget and Ross kept Rubens in chains to secure dominance for their boss Shumy. Let him pass!!! As of now Bottas is ahead of Lewis with points! Lewis' main driver to beat is his team mate!

[FerrariF60]

Ferrari improved by 3 tenths from their last year's time.
Red Bull lost 3 tenths.
Mercedes gained a massive 1.4 seconds. That's extremely unusual laptime to gain in a year, even more so on a track like Hungary.

That’s cause their oil burning PU is back.....as seen my all teams with Merc engines puffing away blue smoke ..so the MIA turned a blind eye once again....but if it were Ferrari!!!

[chinmay]

That’s cause their oil burning PU is back.....as seen my all teams with Merc engines puffing away blue smoke ..so the MIA turned a blind eye once again....but if it were Ferrari!!!

Ferrari even with 2019 engine weren't exactly on pole in Hungary 2019, half a second adrift of Red Bull Honda. It looks like Mercedes have built a hell of a chassis which has outperformed their engine.

[nani_s23]

Ferrari even with 2019 engine weren't exactly on pole in Hungary 2019, half a second adrift of Red Bull Honda. It looks like Mercedes have built a hell of a chassis which has outperformed their engine.

2019 car was no where excellent with good DF. It’s completely a low drag car

[Vettel165]

Gp2 engine, Gp2 engine ahhhhhhh.
Embarassing very Embarassing.

[hakanabi]

Toto regarding mercedes powered cars oil burning:

One aspect of the Mercedes power unit this season is the occasional wisps of white smoke that have been seen not only in the W11, but also in the cars of customers*Racing Point*and*Williams.

Wolff has suggested a likely cause which will be investigated further between now and the next race, the British Grand Prix at Silverstone.

"You can see that when the oil tank is filled up at the beginning, we seem to have an issue that oil gets out of the chassis,” remarked Wolff.

“We don’t know where that comes from. It seems to be that when we fill it up to the top we aren't in control of how much escapes at the beginning.

“We have seen it on all the Mercedes engines and it’s something that we need to understand. It’s not a reliability issue, which I’m glad that it isn’t. At Silverstone, I can tell you what it is because at the moment we don't know."

[stefa]

Toto regarding mercedes powered cars oil burning:

One aspect of the Mercedes power unit this season is the occasional wisps of white smoke that have been seen not only in the W11, but also in the cars of customers*Racing Point*and*Williams.

Wolff has suggested a likely cause which will be investigated further between now and the next race, the British Grand Prix at Silverstone.

"You can see that when the oil tank is filled up at the beginning, we seem to have an issue that oil gets out of the chassis,” remarked Wolff.

“We don’t know where that comes from. It seems to be that when we fill it up to the top we aren't in control of how much escapes at the beginning.

“We have seen it on all the Mercedes engines and it’s something that we need to understand. It’s not a reliability issue, which I’m glad that it isn’t. At Silverstone, I can tell you what it is because at the moment we don't know."

He just forgot to say at the end good night kids, sweet dreams. What a bed time story!

[Ferrarichamp]

So Ham is going to win his 7th title with an illegal car, nice.

[PURE PASSION]

He just forgot to say at the end good night kids, sweet dreams. What a bed time story!

Its become a real anecdote!!!!
Barbies that has the most copied car in the history of sport say that the design it themselves from a bunch of photos!!!!!! And FIA simply believes them and no further action!!!!
All Merc powered cars smoking like hell all over the place ,in the corners, in acceleration, everywhere and they say that they just feeling up the tank!!!!!! AND FIA accepts it!!!!!
All Merc powered cars improved 1 to 3+ secs from last year ,under the same rules with just evolved cars (except Barbies) and they say it's just development, while last year the where screaming that you CANT gain so much performance from one year to the other with no rule changes (for our pu) !!!!!!!!!!!

[stefa]

Its become a real anecdote!!!!
Barbies that has the most copied car in the history of sport say that the design it themselves from a bunch of photos!!!!!! And FIA simply believes them and no further action!!!!
All Merc powered cars smoking like hell all over the place ,in the corners, in acceleration, everywhere and they say that they just feeling up the tank!!!!!! AND FIA accepts it!!!!!
All Merc powered cars improved 1 to 3+ secs from last year ,under the same rules with just evolved cars (except Barbies) and they say it's just development, while last year the where screaming that you CANT gain so much performance from one year to the other with no rule changes (for our pu) !!!!!!!!!!!

All rainbows and unicorns!

[Alakshendra]

Yesterday qualifiers show how superior is Mercedes with respect to the grid, a difference of 1 sec in qualifiers shows they have an incredible pace.

All of this does make me curious how they are so fast, Ferrari got a straight-line speed in 2019 and the whole grid was on us saying Ferrari is cheating and when Mercedes is so fast no one even trying for any investigations? how is their PU simply giving this much power?

[Alakshendra]

Toto regarding mercedes powered cars oil burning:

One aspect of the Mercedes power unit this season is the occasional wisps of white smoke that have been seen not only in the W11, but also in the cars of customers*Racing Point*and*Williams.

Wolff has suggested a likely cause which will be investigated further between now and the next race, the British Grand Prix at Silverstone.

"You can see that when the oil tank is filled up at the beginning, we seem to have an issue that oil gets out of the chassis,” remarked Wolff.

“We don’t know where that comes from. It seems to be that when we fill it up to the top we aren't in control of how much escapes at the beginning.

“We have seen it on all the Mercedes engines and it’s something that we need to understand. It’s not a reliability issue, which I’m glad that it isn’t. At Silverstone, I can tell you what it is because at the moment we don't know."

Personally I feel Mercedes have something illegal in their PU, its just we are not able to find it and they able to find ours in one season alone.

[patrese86]

They were able to find ours because mid straight we got a second kick.

Every decision taken in the last few years has benefitted Mercedes and Mercedes only. Remember when Hamilton was crying about not being able to follow closely, it was the same for everyone by the way, it had nothing to do with "close racing" it was being pushed by Mercedes and the likelihood is they've been working on other developments behind the scenes getting a headstart on everyone then politicking in the paddock pushing for these changes. They've got complete monopoly over the direction F1 is heading. It took years for other manufacturers to get up to speed with hybrid development...what happens when they finally do...engine development gets frozen...what a coincidence! I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but it's all too convenient for it to be just a coincidence. Then we have the whole DAS thing, they were working on it a year prior, who works on something when they aren't even sure if it's legal...oh but F1 said fair enough you can have it for this season since you worked so hard on it...why have something only for one season if it's legal? Because next season every other team will have one and Mercedes don't want that.

It all stinks.

[chinmay]

2019 car was no where excellent with good DF. It’s completely a low drag car

2017 engine was the king of dogs and yet Ferrari was on pole by 3 tenths from Mercedes. Mercedes advantage yesterday is demoralizing for others but also a good thing as they know they can gain most of the time with great aero. Let's see how many tenths the Silverstone upgrade gives.

[chinmay]

Yesterday qualifiers show how superior is Mercedes with respect to the grid, a difference of 1 sec in qualifiers shows they have an incredible pace.

All of this does make me curious how they are so fast, Ferrari got a straight-line speed in 2019 and the whole grid was on us saying Ferrari is cheating and when Mercedes is so fast no one even trying for any investigations? how is their PU simply giving this much power?

It wasn't just 2019, it all started in 2018 when others kept on complaining how Ferrari is gaining so much on straights.

[chinmay]

Very true ! 90 s and 2000 s there was "Preventing Dominance " of one team. Todt the midget and Ross kept Rubens in chains to secure dominance for their boss Shumy. Let him pass!!! As of now Bottas is ahead of Lewis with points! Lewis' main driver to beat is his team mate!

Bottas is ahead! It's the car which is doing the winning and not the 60 million dollar man!! Sign Maldonado instead for almost free and get the same results!

[nani_s23]

Bottas is ahead! It's the car which is doing the winning and not the 60 million dollar man!! Sign Maldonado instead for almost free and get the same results!

https://i.redd.it/eyeob0tuzhy41.jpg

[JPZ]

Personally I feel Mercedes have something illegal in their PU, its just we are not able to find it and they able to find ours in one season alone.

Would be quite ironic if they're basically using the same system Ferrari used.

I wouldn't be surprised.

Hopefully their car and engine also gets a full audit from the FIA.

[JPZ]

They were able to find ours because mid straight we got a second kick.

Every decision taken in the last few years has benefitted Mercedes and Mercedes only. Remember when Hamilton was crying about not being able to follow closely, it was the same for everyone by the way, it had nothing to do with "close racing" it was being pushed by Mercedes and the likelihood is they've been working on other developments behind the scenes getting a headstart on everyone then politicking in the paddock pushing for these changes. They've got complete monopoly over the direction F1 is heading. It took years for other manufacturers to get up to speed with hybrid development...what happens when they finally do...engine development gets frozen...what a coincidence! I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but it's all too convenient for it to be just a coincidence. Then we have the whole DAS thing, they were working on it a year prior, who works on something when they aren't even sure if it's legal...oh but F1 said fair enough you can have it for this season since you worked so hard on it...why have something only for one season if it's legal? Because next season every other team will have one and Mercedes don't want that.

It all stinks.

Agreed.

And seems like the FIA or Liberty Media have trying to weaken Ferrari politically in the sport.

[Alakshendra]

It wasn't just 2019, it all started in 2018 when others kept on complaining how Ferrari is gaining so much on straights.

exactly my point, how can Ferrari is the only one targetted and merc is faster by whole 1 sec from the whole grid is never checked never investigated?

[Smintlemon]

exactly my point, how can Ferrari is the only one targetted and merc is faster by whole 1 sec from the whole grid is never checked never investigated?

How much faster is the Hungary track in colder conditons ?
I remember last year was very hot track temp ( more than 50 degrees )

[Smintlemon]

Stroll did a 1.14.3 with last year mercedes and LH is for sure faster. So with last years mercedes he will get a 1.14.0

Pole 2019 was 1.14.5, so last years mercedes is now half second faster.

[jgonzalesm6]

Yesterday qualifiers show how superior is Mercedes with respect to the grid, a difference of 1 sec in qualifiers shows they have an incredible pace.

All of this does make me curious how they are so fast, Ferrari got a straight-line speed in 2019 and the whole grid was on us saying Ferrari is cheating and when Mercedes is so fast no one even trying for any investigations? how is their PU simply giving this much power?

A copied version of last years Mercedes W10 increased a team speed by over 3sec when compared to their last years car on the same track.
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IMO, Mercedes is NOT deploying its full potential because it doesn'nt need to durying qualifying. They have no competition currently in 2020.

[jgonzalesm6]

Stroll did a 1.14.3 with last year mercedes and LH is for sure faster. So with last years mercedes he will get a 1.14.0

Pole 2019 was 1.14.5, so last years mercedes is now half second faster.

yep, Mercedes could have used their 2019 model and they still would have made pole.

[jgonzalesm6]

It wasn't just 2019, it all started in 2018 when others kept on complaining how Ferrari is gaining so much on straights.

It acutally started when Max said "Ferrari is cheating." Then it went downhill from there and people questioned it......"What is Max talking about?"

People talk within the paddock.

[Smintlemon]

yep, Mercedes could have used their 2019 model and they still would have made pole.

But how much of this improvement is due to new PU and how much due cooler track temp. ?

[JPZ]

The performance gap of the Mercedes is suspicious.

They are also the only ones who seem to have those puffs of engine smoke.

When will they get investigated as well?