Vettel: "We talked exactly about this situation, that if it happens, we don't do what we did at the end. That was frustrating. I had enough speed to stay out. The guys that were infront of me after my pit stop were doing the exact same lap times that I did with older tyres."
So as per his words, this situation (vettel vs Leclerc) was discussed. But it went other-way on track... hmmm
Felix Görner (RTL) said that Ferrari/Vettel are possibly considering a chassis change for the next races
If you spoon at the first corner ,with no contact with others cars, you cant complain about strategy. At least be honest and argue the real cause of not getting onto the points zone
Maybe. But his contract is yet to run out, he's still under his current contract and that's why he's driving.
Such as?
I wouldn't. What Binotto said was factual description of Vettel's yesterday performance, because of his spin Vettel would've finished P12 regardless. Of course, Vettel would try his best to paint it differently. Two weeks ago at this same track, Leclerc was P3 and Vettel was P10. Ferrari knows very well of what exactly Vettel is capable of doing with the current car.
And I've yet to see Ferrari blaming Vettel for anything. Even after Singapore or Brazil, they've never blamed him. Vettel on the other hand, pointing fingers at Ferrari from the very first race.
Not really and we've seen it quite well. Ferrari actually did produced two great cars not that long ago, and we have seen the wonderful job Vettel had done with those two cars.
And I know Ferrari is a "pressure cooker" like environment, and expectations will always be high. But with Vettel, the situation is different. He's not a driver who admits his own mistakes, never has and never will. And what about his driving antics? Apparently Vettel is still struggling with the loose rear-ends, which to me sounds like one of the most hilarious excuses of all time. He has no problem dealing with a loose rear when he had Webber/Raikkonen as teammate, but as soon it's Ric or Charles, Vettel simply doesn't know how to drive. And when a driver still can't adapt at the age of 32, I doubt he will ever.
Alonso-Kimi 2014
DR-Max 2016 or 2017
I can’t remember the statements, but it was on the similar lines.
I’ve never seen vettel blame ferrari apart from Yesterday.
If yesterday is the blame like Vettel saying “ This is what discussed today morning, it isn’t expected etc..... bla bla”
Then same thing happened with Leclerc last year Singapore & other race on radio “we discussed on team debrief etc, I don’t believe him ”.... etc...
So driver radio messages aren’t taken serious these days ... for example; Ham. He talks a lot on radio as if tsunami is coming & stop Mercs from winning on every lap.
Finally I would say, it happens with every driver if the situation arrives then it will be known.
I’m not defending vettel & ferrari, because combo didn’t worked out at all from both sides.
I feel if MA was around would have handled it smoothly & let vettel leave as did Kimi.
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https://twitter.com/vebsettel/status...441116162?s=21
He’s the true leader & for your reference he was also talking about 2018 car 2nd half.
So there is no example of either Alonso or DR or Kimi throwing the team under the bus because of a bad strategy. Noted.
And it not just the team radio, Vettel also said after the race something like, Ferrari/Charles never had the "courage" to pass him on track.
And Vettel's team radio or him blaming the car and team is nothing new, guy is the master of deflection. Nothing is Vettel's fault, in 2010 Turkey Webber was the culprit, Baku 2017 "when did I do dangerous driving" etc. etc..
The only way he can deal with his spin is by blaming his team. And guess what Seb? sometimes drivers do get sub-optimal strategies, but for Vettel this is of course the end of the world and some fans always put the blame on Ferrari.
But I don't have to say anything, because every race Vettel is proving me right. All his flaws are sticking out like never before, and it's making him mad.
I need to collect the statements of what Alonso/massa/Kimi did said on radio, it’s hard to get those now.
It doesn’t mean that my statement is invalid.
And rest part I will not discuss because vettel’s mistakes are true. But for me its with Ferrari too that’s my point.
I beg to disagree. He was the race leader, he has every right to dictate the restart launch. I’m my opinion Vettel thought that was the launch, which obviously wasn’t, he was too close anticipating the restart. Not a problem till here, problem was deliberately banging into Hamilton which in my opinion was disgrace, when you have young F1 fans watching their hero in Vettel
Any sudden slowdown would've showed up on the telemetry. And FIA had gone through onboards, throttle input, power management and plenty of other data's, and nothing suggested anything you are implying.
And Ferrari would've protested Vettel's penalty, if they really thought Hamilton was driving dangerously. But they didn't, not because there was some evil conspiracy against Ferrari, because there was no factual data available to back up Vettel's claim.
Trusting the corrupt FIA with Mercedes' telemetry is like trusting the WHO "experts" with covid *cough cough* Ferrari didn't protest Vettel's penalty because he deserved to be penalised. The issue here is that Hamilton ALSO should've been penalised in that situation. What he did was fair game on a straight but not a blind corner. Both drivers acted a clown in that situation, but Hammy has divine protection from above under the MIA corporate agenda.
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Ofcourse Ferrari makes mistakes too. I'd say we have the worst strategy department out of all.
But the point is, Ferrari have never criticized Vettel publicly. And I'd say, Vettel's errors were more costly, Singapore and Brazil were the two prime examples. But Ferrari have never thrown Vettel under the bus.
Vettel's driving has always been the problem, that's why he's having so much trouble securing a seat for next year. He's trying to create unnecessary drama and trouble, and we have enough trouble to deal with already.
Singapore was Verstappen's and Kimi's fault and also that race should've not been started without running a few laps behind the SC as is standard procedure, especially on a floodlit street circuit. Then they could've had a standing start, but chose to have it standing immediately. Which obviously would've not happened had golden boy been on pole. Then they just had to randomize it. With 3-4 warm up laps before the start and warm tyres everyone would've made it through T1 safely. I don't remember a single Mercedes pole when they didn't do just that.
You didn't get it. No, I wasn't talking about Vettel's penalty or any protest against it.
If Ferrari had enough proofs of Hamilton's dangerous driving, there would've been a protest. And since it had happened 3 years ago, and there was no appeal or protest against Hamilton's driving from Ferrari, I don't see any reason for you to upset about it.
No he wasn't the right leader, and he wasn't even a leader to begin with. SM was the leader, it was SM who decided our driver lineup and who should replace Raikkonen. Arrivabene had no part in it. He was only there because of Ferrari's tobacco sponsorship.
And as per late Sergio Marchionne's wishes, Binotto became the TP and Leclerc replaced Raikkonen.
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