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after next race RIC could be P4 and Alonso is driving that car next year, hopefully more action in top then, and also Seb with Mercs-Aston Martin could be there too, Ferrari I dont think they make any progress next year, in my books, Binotto has shown what he has, and that is not so much
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good point.Originally Posted by Vettel165
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Another great effort by Charles
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Binnotto said, he is not for quick wins. Instead laying foundation for wins in long terms with young team.
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Let's not forget McLaren with merc engines next year as well.
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Looking at McLaren's performance at Monza with Renault engines I really doubt that makes a huge difference.
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If the engine delivers 0.5 seconds/lap next season it's a new ballgame for us.
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Even that’s not sufficient to fight with Mercs. May we will be in fight with RB/Renault/McLaren/Aston Martin. Who will be faster next year as well.
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Yeah but 0.5 s/lap will make us easy P4 in almost every race and give a platform on the lower-power tracks to challenge, like if Monaco and Singapore happen next year.
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Such a shame this clown, mostly because of car which is 10 classes above the rest is going to equal and go above this magnificent record of MS
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Records matter only to nerds and people who look up Wikipedia instead of watching races. Even Michael didn't seem to care about it all that much (as mentioned by him in his last interview).Such a shame this clown, mostly because of car which is 10 classes above the rest is going to equal and go above this magnificent record of MS
For those of us who have actually seen him drive, would place Michael above Hamilton anyday.
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Very true! Numbers alone do not tell the tale. Sadly most Lewis fans have only been watching F1 a dozen or so years and have no clue about F1 or it's history.
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Amen to that! I'll remember till I am alive that GREAT race at Hungaroring 1998 (was there), or the one in Magny Cours 2004, when MS had 4 stops and won the race, and so on, and so on....
By the way I found an article about that race:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...EyBC401ET.html
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I place Michael over Hamilton for what Michael did in the late 90's and early 2000's. Michael was a relentless driver and due to unlimited testing back then, was constantly testing the cars. He brought a team from Benetton into Ferrari and MADE Ferrari.
I got to see Michael race in 2012 at COTA with Mercedes.....albeit not the same Michael as of the early days nor the same formula or car. This was a period of "down-sloping" for an any F1 driver. Michael did however lay the foundations of what Lewis is currently enjoying....as well as BRAWNGP.
Lewis CANNOT do any of the things that Michael did because again, different era's....analog vs digital. EVERYTHING for Lewis is done by the team. Lewis just has to drive....tactfully and strategically during the race.....which Lewis is good at and has enjoyed the spoils.
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Agreed, GIO has been good at aggressive starts and defensive driving all season but seems to lose out in strategy, drops down the field and then can't recover, as Seb did today, when GIO held him off! I'll be sorry if he gets released by Alfa. Good drive from Charles again and a few more points, for what it's worth. Stroll saying Charles deserved a penalty but hope we've heard the last of that. At least HAM didn't win, always a bonus, and no 91st victory to equal MS, Crofty & Co will be disappointed, but sadly it will happen soon, for those who care.
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Right before the crash you can see him over correct to the right for an instant to avoid the sausage kerbs. That combined with it being the first lap where the grid is so packed up, it should be nothing but a racing incident.Agreed, GIO has been good at aggressive starts and defensive driving all season but seems to lose out in strategy, drops down the field and then can't recover, as Seb did today, when GIO held him off! I'll be sorry if he gets released by Alfa. Good drive from Charles again and a few more points, for what it's worth. Stroll saying Charles deserved a penalty but hope we've heard the last of that. At least HAM didn't win, always a bonus, and no 91st victory to equal MS, Crofty & Co will be disappointed, but sadly it will happen soon, for those who care.
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Very pleased by Charles' performance - once again. The guy is so very talented. He can win it all if given the car to do it.
But Seb, what is wrong with him? We all know he can do better than this.........sad to see a driver who has given his very best to Ferrari losing it this way......
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Yes! I love that.
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I actually thought 2 x 5 secs was unreasonable. Since the two infringements occurred in one incident, he should have been made to serve both penalties concurrently, meaning a net penalty of 5 secs.
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So what? He won. Let him yell.
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A new team will bring us inner peace too as we hopefully won't have to tolerate you.Sad days to be a Seb fan. Hope the nightmare is over next year. I am positive.
A new team will bring him motivation, less pressure and some innerpeace to deliver.
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I'd like to believe that the engine we are currently testing for 2021 is more powerful than the current Merc engine. Otherwise, why bother testing something that is guaranteed to be slow?
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We did what Haas did in Hungary. Seb held off Ricciardo and Ocon long enough to degrade both of their tyres and also ensure that Charles would come out in front of Ocon after pitting.
If he hadn't done this, Charles would be P8 with 4 points and Seb would be P10 with 1 point, totalling to 5 points. Instead, Seb sacrificed himself to bring Charles home to P6 to get 8 points for the team. Let's hope he scores something good in his home grand prix.
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At this point, anything would be better than the one we have now. I reckon next year we'd be compromising quite a bit of reliability for power like in 2017 and then it would be perfected in 2022.
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True. But I'm just hoping the objective is to at least beat the current engines.
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I have NO doubt that next years engine will be better then the current Honda and Renault, and a lot closer to the Merc... it of course our goal is to be better than the Merc....don’t know if it’s actually gonna happen next year...but at least we’re hoping that Ferrari will lay down the foundations for a good engine in 2021 and come out with a beast in 2022....wishful thinking I know, but we can only hope as fans, NO???
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Well said. Others doesn’t understand this ..!!
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+1
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So the same thing that happened to Kimi, he was slower and often used as a sacrificial pawn to benefit Vettel, now Vettel is getting the same treatment. I don't see anything wrong with it, today the car number 5 was on average 0.9 seconds/lap slower than the car number 16. So what Ferrari did was normal, they sacrificed the much slower driver for the faster car and maximized our points scoring.
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