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    Nice drive by Stroll. WOW
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    Max is really something else. Outqualiying Albon by more than 2 seconds and always there when it rains.

    And wet track is yet again Leclerc's weakness. He needs to improve his wet weather driving.

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    that was exciting, congrats to Stroll P1

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    It would seem last year's Merc is better than this year's Merc in the wet.
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    It would seem last year's Merc is better than this year's Merc in the wet.
    Alfa beats Ferrari and Racing Point beats Mercs, we are living weird times

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimiBot View Post
    Alfa beats Ferrari and Racing Point beats Mercs, we are living weird times
    In the wet....yes.
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    Qualifying:

    Stroll: 40.723 --- 37.594 --- 29.448 --- 1:47.765 --- 253

    Verstappen: 40.721 --- 37.736 --- 29.598 --- 1:48.055 --- 260

    Perez: 40.685 --- 38.805 --- 29.831 --- 1:49.321 --- 248

    Albon: 40.994 --- 38.696 --- 29.519 --- 1:50.448 --- 268

    Ricciardo: 41.519 --- 39.885 --- 30.191 --- 1:51.595 --- 250

    Hamilton: 42.281 --- 39.943 --- 30.191 --- 1:52.560 --- 246

    Ocon: 42.436 --- 39.902 --- 30.284 --- 1:52.622 --- 243

    Raikkonen: 42.262 --- 39.703 --- 30.545 --- 1:52.745 --- 248

    Bottas: 42.544 --- 40.311 --- 29.880 --- 1:53.258 --- 251

    Giovinazzi: 42.816 --- 40.105 --- 30.510 --- 1:57.226

    Norris: 43.193 --- 40.848 --- 30.727 --- 1:54.945 --- 244

    Vettel: 43.692 --- 40.764 --- 30.713 --- 1:55.169 --- 240

    Sainz: 43.234 --- 40.707 --- 31.445 --- 1:55.410 --- 256

    Leclerc: 44.667 --- 41.023 --- 30.826 --- 1:56.696 --- 247

    Gasly: 44.670 --- 42.104 --- 31.380 --- 1:58.556 --- 234

    Magnussen: 46.061 --- 46.833 --- 33.302 --- 2:08.007 --- 234

    Kvyat: 47.536 --- 46.710 --- 33.349 --- 2:09.070 --- 225

    Russell: 47.655 --- 47.367 --- 33.286 --- 2:10.017 --- 236

    Grosjean: 49.016 --- 46.826 --- 34.003 --- 2:12.909 --- 242

    Latifi: 48.875 --- 49.702 --- 35.328 --- 2:21.611 --- 207

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    I don't know why all of sudden both drivers struggled with front tyre temperature. It looked OK during the FP1, 2 and 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Nice drive by Stroll. WOW
    Pirelli lottery. TP could switch on the tyres but Mercedes couldn't.

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    Why I am not surprised we got the uglier end of the stick with these conditions?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    Pirelli lottery. TP could switch on the tyres but Mercedes couldn't.
    It was purely on merit. Mercedes "effed" up this time. It's not many, but Mercedes got caught with their pants down.
    Last edited by jgonzalesm6; 14th November 2020 at 14:18.
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    This is Ferrari’s problem from ages. Only MS & Alonso drove the wheels off Ferrari car under wet conditions. From then it was struggle for Ferrari to match or lit up their tyres under these conditions. Combined with worst car this season, doesn’t get better than this.

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    The last good car in the wet was back in 2015, since then it's been a disgrace. Same problem every year, regardless of how car works in dry, it turns out to be an absolute dud in wet.

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    Leclerc needs to improve his wet racing skills. It seems he struggles a lot in wet track conditions.

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    It reminds me of Monza 2017, where Stroll was also quite handy in wet conditions, eventually starting P2 in a Williams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F2008 View Post
    It reminds me of Monza 2017, where Stroll was also quite handy in wet conditions, eventually starting P2 in a Williams.
    That was a dry(free practice), wet(qualifying), dry(race) weekend. Not the same. On race day, Stroll lost his place in T1 to Ocon on the first lap. Stroll ended up P7 and Massa P8.
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    Stroll and Norris under investigation for not respecting yellow flags. Stroll could loose his P1 position.
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    I've said it after Wet Austrian qualifying and I will say it again, wet weather driving is the only chink in Leclerc's armor. He needs to improve his wet weather driving to become the complete package like Max.

    But he also needs a more predictable car. I don't believe Giovinazzi or Albon are better at handling wet conditions than Leclerc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F2008 View Post
    It reminds me of Monza 2017, where Stroll was also quite handy in wet conditions, eventually starting P2 in a Williams.
    Stroll was P13 in Austria, today he's on pole. Sainz was P3 in Austria, today he's P13. I think its all down to the Pirelli lottery.

    But I'm also not downplaying wet weather skills. Take Max for an example, always there when it rains, regardless the circuit.

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    What about Brazil quali for Charles in the Alfa? He did well then! It’s just the car

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxc1 View Post
    What about Brazil quali for Charles in the Alfa? He did well then! It’s just the car
    He was also quite competitive in today's FP3. But still, I can't remember any eye catching wet weather performance from Leclerc. He needs to improve his wet driving, because getting outqualified by Vettel on both occasions this year when it rained, not a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    He was also quite competitive in today's FP3. But still, I can't remember any eye catching wet weather performance from Leclerc. He needs to improve his wet driving, because getting outqualified by Vettel on both occasions this year when it rained, not a good thing.
    maybe he's doesnt' have that WET weather craft like others do.....but i'm sure he can work on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    maybe he's doesnt' have that WET weather craft like others do.....but i'm sure he can work on that
    I am sure he WILL improve, he doesn't require much to hone his wet weather skills, he's raw speed is above everyone else.

    Just need to cut out the mistakes and find a way to heat up the front tyres. But the current Ferrari is unpredictable, so he can't do much with his years car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    Stroll was P13 in Austria, today he's on pole. Sainz was P3 in Austria, today he's P13. I think its all down to the Pirelli lottery.

    But I'm also not downplaying wet weather skills. Take Max for an example, always there when it rains, regardless the circuit.
    Stroll's qualifying times in the wet in Austria were still much better than Perez who was already out in Q1, so you are actually proving my point there.
    In 2017, Stroll was outqualified by Massa almost everywhere (17-2) and by large margins (0.6s on average), but in Monza he beat Massa by 1.2s (also in the wet).

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    Charles: "We are not speaking of a few tenths, we are speaking of six seconds which is huge. We really need to understand what we are doing wrong in the rain. Because this is not the first time, it‘s been a few times in the rain that we are struggling more than the others."



    Charles needs to understand, ferrari in the wet it’s always the same struggle year & year. Irrespective of who the driver is ... only Alonso & MS are exceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Stroll and Norris under investigation for not respecting yellow flags. Stroll could loose his P1 position.
    Stroll is cleared and keeps his P1 position.
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    Sainz - 3 place grid penalty
    Norris - 5 place grid penalty

    For blocking Perez & not slowing down under yellow flag.
    Motorsport.com

    Vettel P11 & Leclerc P12....hope it’s a lottery race tomorrow.
    Last edited by nani_s23; 14th November 2020 at 17:13.

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    Drivers under investigation for yellow flag infringements during Q1. Sainz, Ricciardo, Gasly, Stroll, Perez, Norris, Hamilton, Bottas, Magnussen & Russell.

    Of which Sainz/Norris received penalties. Stroll was cleared.

    Rest of the drivers are still under investigation.

    Correction : Ham, bottas, KMag, Russell didn’t improve their times. So cleared.

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    Knowing Charles he will dig into this matter and improve I'm sure.

    He's done it before and will do it again it's just his nature so give him time.
    Hero's come and go, but legends never die!

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    It was Max Vers-RB opportunity to loose the pole & he did. All through the weekend, RB-Albon/Max were strong under these conditions. They couldn’t capitalise.

    Hopefully there’s something up for tomorrow.

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