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    Hoping that the SF21 gets a nose job at the same time... pointless trying to keep pushing the split nose concept when next year everyone will be using the "slim" nose design

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    Revealed: What Ferrari is changing on its engine for F1 2021

    Ferrari is under no illusions that it needs to make gains on the power unit front if it is going to return to the front of the Formula 1 grid.
    Its 2020 campaign was derailed by a combination of a too draggy car being further hampered by an engine that was less powerful than the 2019 version.
    That performance deficit was the result of a raft of technical directives issued by the FIA ahead of the season to stop teams using clever tricks to get around fuel flow measurement regulations.
    The extent of Ferrari’s engine struggles came to light in 2020 pre-season testing, but any hopes of introducing major upgrades to the power unit during the campaign were derailed by a development freeze introduced in response to the coronavirus pandemic.
    It meant Ferrari had to live through the entire season with the same power unit, with changes only possible over the winter.
    The team's 2021 engine is now in the advanced design stages, and it is understood features some interesting developments that it hopes will deliver a good power boost.

    Rather than going for anything revolutionary, Ferrari is understood to be looking at making incremental changes to all aspects of the thermal properties and electric power train, which it believes will add up to a sizeable gain overall.
    It is understood that Ferrari did evaluate a change of concept in going down the Mercedes route of splitting the turbine and compressor to sit at either side of the internal combustion engine.
    However, while the evaluation of that idea is continuing under a project group led by Wolff Zimmermann, who has been commissioned the look at innovative longer term solutions with Graz-based AVL, for now the two turbo components will remain where they have been previously.

    Instead, the key change that Ferrari engine chief Enrico Gualtieri will introduce is the debut of a ‘superfast’ cylinder head – which had originally been anticipated for introduction in 2022.
    The new design will help achieve greater fuel atomisation and a higher pressure in the combustion chamber, as teams to try to get close to the 500 bar limit laid down in the regulations.
    As well as a newly designed piston crown (which remains constructed in steel), and intake ducts on the camshaft, it is believed Ferrari has looked at the use of new alloys that will help ensure reliability is not compromised by the boost in performance.
    The new Ferrari engine will also not give up the wastegate valve (which can be removed this year for the first time), in order to exploit as much as possible the aerodynamic effect of the blown exhaust.
    Reliability problems with the narrow exhausts also appear to have been resolved, as, thanks to a new gearbox, the Coca Cola-bottle area of the car will be larger and therefore the pipework has to be crammed into a smaller space.
    Engine cooling systems have also been revised, in a bid to change the radiator design used in 2020 that ended up producing too much drag in the sidepods and further hampering the straightline speed of the SF1000.

    The new Ferrari power unit is also believed to have a slightly smaller turbine than the one used on the 065/2, in an attempt to improve electrical charging.
    The idea is to have a more efficient energy recovery system, so that the delivery of about 160 hp of the MGU-K can last longer throughout the lap. This will be important in trying to reduce the overall deficit to Mercedes.

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    if only.... new engines were to roar like these oldies but beauties:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelc30 View Post
    Revealed: What Ferrari is changing on its engine for F1 2021

    Ferrari is under no illusions that it needs to make gains on the power unit front if it is going to return to the front of the Formula 1 grid.
    Its 2020 campaign was derailed by a combination of a too draggy car being further hampered by an engine that was less powerful than the 2019 version.
    That performance deficit was the result of a raft of technical directives issued by the FIA ahead of the season to stop teams using clever tricks to get around fuel flow measurement regulations.
    The extent of Ferrari’s engine struggles came to light in 2020 pre-season testing, but any hopes of introducing major upgrades to the power unit during the campaign were derailed by a development freeze introduced in response to the coronavirus pandemic.
    It meant Ferrari had to live through the entire season with the same power unit, with changes only possible over the winter.
    The team's 2021 engine is now in the advanced design stages, and it is understood features some interesting developments that it hopes will deliver a good power boost.

    Rather than going for anything revolutionary, Ferrari is understood to be looking at making incremental changes to all aspects of the thermal properties and electric power train, which it believes will add up to a sizeable gain overall.
    It is understood that Ferrari did evaluate a change of concept in going down the Mercedes route of splitting the turbine and compressor to sit at either side of the internal combustion engine.
    However, while the evaluation of that idea is continuing under a project group led by Wolff Zimmermann, who has been commissioned the look at innovative longer term solutions with Graz-based AVL, for now the two turbo components will remain where they have been previously.

    Instead, the key change that Ferrari engine chief Enrico Gualtieri will introduce is the debut of a ‘superfast’ cylinder head – which had originally been anticipated for introduction in 2022.
    The new design will help achieve greater fuel atomisation and a higher pressure in the combustion chamber, as teams to try to get close to the 500 bar limit laid down in the regulations.
    As well as a newly designed piston crown (which remains constructed in steel), and intake ducts on the camshaft, it is believed Ferrari has looked at the use of new alloys that will help ensure reliability is not compromised by the boost in performance.
    The new Ferrari engine will also not give up the wastegate valve (which can be removed this year for the first time), in order to exploit as much as possible the aerodynamic effect of the blown exhaust.
    Reliability problems with the narrow exhausts also appear to have been resolved, as, thanks to a new gearbox, the Coca Cola-bottle area of the car will be larger and therefore the pipework has to be crammed into a smaller space.
    Engine cooling systems have also been revised, in a bid to change the radiator design used in 2020 that ended up producing too much drag in the sidepods and further hampering the straightline speed of the SF1000.

    The new Ferrari power unit is also believed to have a slightly smaller turbine than the one used on the 065/2, in an attempt to improve electrical charging.
    The idea is to have a more efficient energy recovery system, so that the delivery of about 160 hp of the MGU-K can last longer throughout the lap. This will be important in trying to reduce the overall deficit to Mercedes.

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    Where is the media getting all of this specific information on our engine? Whether it’s true or not, it seems like there is a leak at Maranello. This is very concerning. I’m sure a rat already ran to Merc with our design solutions so they can prepare the FIA to shut us down if we are faster than them.
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    Every year there are speculation from.experts. most aren't even close to the truth. I doubt Ferrari would disclose any news about it's new combustion system. Purely speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
    Every year there are speculation from.experts. most aren't even close to the truth. I doubt Ferrari would disclose any news about it's new combustion system. Purely speculation.
    In the past they knew about battery set up, which was a secret. Someone also leaked our “trick” that got us in trouble with the FIA.

    I’m not suggesting that Ferrari would disclose this information willingly, however the numbers are just too specific IMO. It’s possible that there are still rats in Maranello.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t View Post
    In the past they knew about battery set up, which was a secret. Someone also leaked our “trick” that got us in trouble with the FIA.

    I’m not suggesting that Ferrari would disclose this information willingly, however the numbers are just too specific IMO. It’s possible that there are still rats in Maranello.
    It’s sad if indeed some rat from Maranello disclosed some precise information.....so much for being a true loyal ferrari employee....maybe he was given a hefty pay....as always money talks and walks....again we’re only speculating here, but if true then it’s really sad.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t View Post
    In the past they knew about battery set up, which was a secret. Someone also leaked our “trick” that got us in trouble with the FIA.

    I’m not suggesting that Ferrari would disclose this information willingly, however the numbers are just too specific IMO. It’s possible that there are still rats in Maranello.
    That all comes out after. This engine hasn't even run in a car yet. Mostly everything I've seen out there is rehashes.of the same old stories. One thing for certain is that it'll be better than this years engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t View Post
    Where is the media getting all of this specific information on our engine? Whether it’s true or not, it seems like there is a leak at Maranello. This is very concerning. I’m sure a rat already ran to Merc with our design solutions so they can prepare the FIA to shut us down if we are faster than them.
    Good question, how is this information getting out...?

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    It maybe specific but it still is nonsense. Have a look at what they were reporting in last year's off season.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/co...re_coming_for/
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    Can someone explain to me what the heck is a "superfast" cylinder head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpe View Post
    Can someone explain to me what the heck is a "superfast" cylinder head?
    It's just an unofficial name given to the 2021 engine by the Ferrari engineers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC Fan View Post
    It's just an unofficial name given to the 2021 engine by the Ferrari engineers.
    Hopefully it will be a little quicker than the donkeyfast we had last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpe View Post
    Can someone explain to me what the heck is a "superfast" cylinder head?
    Quote Originally Posted by MSC Fan View Post
    It's just an unofficial name given to the 2021 engine by the Ferrari engineers.
    The name "Superfast" in the Ferrari automobilia dates back to the 1964 Ferrari 500 Superfast.


    From Wikipedia:

    The engine was a unique 4,962.96 cc (303 cu in) Ferrari Colombo V12 engine,[14] which had the same dimensions as the Lampredi "long-block" engines of the 410 Superamerica, otherwise the design was based on the original Colombo "short block". Breathing through six twin-choke Weber 40DCZ/6 carburettors, the V12 produced 400 PS (294 kW; 395 hp) at 6,500 rpm and could push the car to 280 kilometres per hour (174 mph).


    The "Superfast" name has re-appeared in 2017 at the Geneva Auto Show with the 812 Superfast which also has a V-12 front engined chassis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    Hopefully it will be a little quicker than the donkeyfast we had last year
    Binotto is expecting a minimum of 3rd place finish this year. That is considering that the only upgrades they're bringing is the engine and some work on the rear. For a down playing man like Binotto, it surely means that the engine packs much more of a punch than the media make them out to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    The name "Superfast" in the Ferrari automobilia dates back to the 1964 Ferrari 500 Superfast.


    From Wikipedia:

    The engine was a unique 4,962.96 cc (303 cu in) Ferrari Colombo V12 engine,[14] which had the same dimensions as the Lampredi "long-block" engines of the 410 Superamerica, otherwise the design was based on the original Colombo "short block". Breathing through six twin-choke Weber 40DCZ/6 carburettors, the V12 produced 400 PS (294 kW; 395 hp) at 6,500 rpm and could push the car to 280 kilometres per hour (174 mph).


    The "Superfast" name has re-appeared in 2017 at the Geneva Auto Show with the 812 Superfast which also has a V-12 front engined chassis.
    Didn't know about this. Thanks for posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC Fan View Post
    Didn't know about this. Thanks for posting.
    yw


    Quote Originally Posted by MSC Fan View Post
    Binotto is expecting a minimum of 3rd place finish this year. .
    I doubt Ferrari finishes 3rd place overall.....let alone Leclerc finishing the season in 3rd place.

    I'm expecting 5th place overall in 2021.
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    yw




    I doubt Ferrari finishes 3rd place overall.....let alone Leclerc finishing the season in 3rd place.

    I'm expecting 5th place overall in 2021.
    Man you’re a pessimistic fella....wanna elaborate which team will finish 3rd and 4th??. As you’re already putting Red Fools as second, NO???

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    I’m quietly optimistic and if ferrari really delivers a GOOD engine over the winter, we may even fight for 2nd, that’s right SECOND place in the WCC.....I know 2nd place is the first place of losers, but coming from 6th it’s pretty good me th8nks.....and maybe we’ll even fight for championship in 2022....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    Man you’re a pessimistic fella....wanna elaborate which team will finish 3rd and 4th??. As you’re already putting Red Fools as second, NO???
    1 Mercedes
    2. RedBull
    3. Mclaren
    4. Aston Martin
    5. Ferrari
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    1 Mercedes
    2. RedBull
    3. Mclaren
    4. Aston Martin
    5. Ferrari
    When Ferrari will finish 2nd in WCC, yiu heard it here first from me.....ha, ha
    So the SF1000 proved to be a DUD....let's hope the SF21 will be much better then its predecessor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    When Ferrari will finish 2nd in WCC, yiu heard it here first from me.....ha, ha
    I wish I could share your optimism. This is how I break it down.

    Lewis, Max, Perez, Bottas, Riccardo, Norris...all RACE their team-mates....with the exception of Bottas (he still has a fast car though).

    Not to mention 3 of the top 5 teams have Merc's PU.

    Vettel, Stroll also have a fast car. This team will be interesting to watch. I doubt Stroll will beat Vettel. Will Vettel have a resurgence in the Aston???

    Leclerc will outrace Sainz. I feel Leclerc will take advantage of the low-power tracks (Monaco, Singapore, etc) and come in 4th or possibly 3rd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    I’m quietly optimistic and if ferrari really delivers a GOOD engine over the winter, we may even fight for 2nd, that’s right SECOND place in the WCC.....I know 2nd place is the first place of losers, but coming from 6th it’s pretty good me th8nks.....and maybe we’ll even fight for championship in 2022....
    If Ferrari come 2nd off a new engine and relatively small rear update would make me wonder what could have been in a normal year without tokens on the car also what 2020 could have been as engine could have had upgrades last year.

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    Even Binotto is giving optimistic interviews with regards to the 2021 season! It's not just my propaganda. HP & Sainz will make Charles even more competitive than he already is ! Russell remaining at Williams even with Merc engine power; will stay as no treat! I just had to throw that in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    Even Binotto is giving optimistic interviews with regards to the 2021 season! It's not just my propaganda. HP & Sainz will make Charles even more competitive than he already is ! Russell remaining at Williams even with Merc engine power; will stay as no treat! I just had to throw that in.
    You seem to dislike Russell
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC Fan View Post
    You seem to dislike Russell
    U just realize that now?? Oh, and he’s in “love” with LH

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    U just realize that now?? Oh, and he’s in “love” with LH
    Not only with Sir Lewis, it's with the car !!! Perez won that race coming from back in 18 th place, his first win! Russell from 1st place came in 9th behind Bottas. Like you said; even your grandma would have done better in that car!! The next race Sir Lewis still sick recovering from the virus manages to bring the car in 3rd. He gets to be on the podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    Not only with Sir Lewis, it's with the car !!! Perez won that race coming from back in 18 th place, his first win! Russell from 1st place came in 9th behind Bottas. Like you said; even your grandma would have done better in that car!! The next race Sir Lewis still sick recovering from the virus manages to bring the car in 3rd. He gets to be on the podium.
    You're being selectively ignorant here, dude. I mean, Hamilton is definitely one of the top drivers and there is nothing wrong in supporting him but come on, why would you ignore the pitstop blunder by Mercedes for Russell? It's not like it was his call or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC Fan View Post
    You're being selectively ignorant here, dude. I mean, Hamilton is definitely one of the top drivers and there is nothing wrong in supporting him but come on, why would you ignore the pitstop blunder by Mercedes for Russell? It's not like it was his call or anything.
    What's selectively ignorant here is the fact that even if Russell came in 1st. that does not make him equal to Lewis as a driver. That's what I find wrong . How Russell is being spoken of.
    That race made him equal to Lewis as a driver but for the pit stops and the puncture. Why would most everyone here ignore the winner coming from 18th place to win. No Merc engine and still did it. Take away the pits and who really knows how Russell would have held off Perez at the end? 95 wins to zero wins . Russell has a way to go. That race did not put him up there ,not yet. Besides Russell, every other driver got beat by Perez that race. No mention. That's being selectively ignorant . Getting Merc powered Williams out of last place will be the big deal for Russell's future, not that one race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    What's selectively ignorant here is the fact that even if Russell came in 1st. that does not make him equal to Lewis as a driver. That's what I find wrong . How Russell is being spoken of.
    That race made him equal to Lewis as a driver but for the pit stops and the puncture. Why would most everyone here ignore the winner coming from 18th place to win. No Merc engine and still did it. Take away the pits and who really knows how Russell would have held off Perez at the end? 95 wins to zero wins . Russell has a way to go. That race did not put him up there ,not yet. Besides Russell, every other driver got beat by Perez that race. No mention. That's being selectively ignorant . Getting Merc powered Williams out of last place will be the big deal for Russell's future, not that one race.
    Are you still going on about this? You will not convince one single member of this forum that it is Hamilton and not the car. Go on all you want, it will change 0 opinions. Hamilton is nothing without that Merc-rocketship. Maybe you should join a Mercedes forum to talk about Hamilton's "greatness" all day. Or better yet, create your own Hamilton-the-goat.net forum where you can talk about his "greatness" all the time with other Hamilton fanboys like yourself. Either way, its getting old and tiring reading you praise Hamilton daily on a FERRARI forum.

    This thread is about Ferrari's new engine, not Hamilton and his Covid podium, 3 wheeled win, or his 7 gifted championships...
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