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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothlessrage* View Post
    If they manage a win this season, tears of joy will flow.
    i think they can, perhaps even on merit in Mexico.

    Imagine what it would do for the morale of the team.

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    Ferrari will fight for the win in Austin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    Ferrari will fight for the win in Austin.
    When pigs fly...
    Hero's come and go, but legends never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpeed View Post
    When pigs fly...
    Yeah, I'll see it when I believe it. I'm not jumping on this "upgrade" Ferrari has currently. COTA will either put doubts in my head of where Ferrari stands on the upgrade or it will be a "rinse and repeat" thought process.

    We'll see how 2022 stands after 4 or 5 races. I'm not holding my breath....I tend to do that after 15 years of Ferrari not winning a season.
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    Binotto think that they will be competitive in Mexico. In Austin? Really don't know, the new mecedes engine, upgraded for reliability (630 gr heavier ?) seems to be so powerfull whit its angry maping... (Horner cries that is cheating)
    Last edited by Gilles; 15th October 2021 at 20:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilles View Post
    Binotto think that they will be competitive in Mexico. In Austin? Really don't know, the new mecedes engine, upgraded for reliability (630 gr heavier ?) seems to be so powerfull whit its angry maping... (Horner cries that is cheating)

    Red Bull and Ferrari asked for clarification. I guess its not a mode thing, it's apparently Mercedes faking the sensor readings by having sensors in a part of the plenum to read a different temperature. It's a similar idea to how Ferrari had different fuel flow going into the engine, but was within the rules of fuel flow at the FIA's sensors. Unfortunately Ferrari had their entire PU disassembled and scrutinized by the FIA, while they didn't even bother to look at the Mercedes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tifosi1993 View Post
    Ferrari will fight for the win in Austin.
    i can see a podium in Austin on merit. And a win in Mexico. I may even put money on Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Red Bull and Ferrari asked for clarification. I guess its not a mode thing, it's apparently Mercedes faking the sensor readings by having sensors in a part of the plenum to read a different temperature. It's a similar idea to how Ferrari had different fuel flow going into the engine, but was within the rules of fuel flow at the FIA's sensors. Unfortunately Ferrari had their entire PU disassembled and scrutinized by the FIA, while they didn't even bother to look at the Mercedes.
    I know the plenum story, agree with you. This time, it's about the 4th ice, whit delivers power that Honda can't fight. The block or/and the heads have been reinforced to prevent cracks (the ICE would be heavier now, by 0.62 kg). Wolf explain they now can use superior mapping (I think the one that allowed Ham to catch up with Leclerc in Britain). Where is the line between reliability and cheating? The Fia does not think that is cheating (what a surprise!), but for RedBull, it's hard to accept.
    Also, i read that in 2019, the Fia had a meeting with Mercedes about Ferrari's ICE ,without inviting any scuderia member. I would be not surprised if they had learned something about this engine, and knowing developing an engine concept takes 2 years, it's not impossible that some of their evolutions right now are inspired by some of their learnings (who knows?)
    So if the SF21 is performing better now, Ferrari is only improving it to allow for some lessons for next season, and ahead of them two teams are at war to win the 2021 WDC. You would think SF is putting eggs in 2022 cars while others have to develop their 2021 cars until the end of the season, but I don't expect any benefit.
    So, the chances of winning SF21 this season therefore remain very low.
    But personally, I still hope, and at the very least, I want to see Leclerc in a working SF21. He's so spectacular! (some others are spectacular too, but not or not more in red, like Alonso)
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    New livery for a tribute to Kimi? USA saw his last win, no?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ScuderiaF...48449%3Fs%3D20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilles View Post
    Binotto think that they will be competitive in Mexico. In Austin? Really don't know, the new mecedes engine, upgraded for reliability (630 gr heavier ?) seems to be so powerfull whit its angry maping... (Horner cries that is cheating)
    ah for reliablilty i'm sure.

    kinda like how when the v8s came out in 2007, Ferrari was the best, certainly faster than Renault, then 2010 rolls around, and the Renault is just as good,despite there being an engine freeze.

    that's why i like that Ferrari is playing the same game now, the 2022 Zimmerman engine is supposed to be all about performance over reliability. And as they should. If they're going to allow a reliability loophole, I'd like to be the team that exploits it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilles View Post
    New livery for a tribute to Kimi? USA saw his last win, no?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ScuderiaF...48449%3Fs%3D20
    I was wrong :https://mobile.twitter.com/ScuderiaF...0%2Fframe.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilles View Post
    I know the plenum story, agree with you. This time, it's about the 4th ice, whit delivers power that Honda can't fight. The block or/and the heads have been reinforced to prevent cracks (the ICE would be heavier now, by 0.62 kg). Wolf explain they now can use superior mapping (I think the one that allowed Ham to catch up with Leclerc in Britain). Where is the line between reliability and cheating? The Fia does not think that is cheating (what a surprise!), but for RedBull, it's hard to accept.
    Also, i read that in 2019, the Fia had a meeting with Mercedes about Ferrari's ICE ,without inviting any scuderia member. I would be not surprised if they had learned something about this engine, and knowing developing an engine concept takes 2 years, it's not impossible that some of their evolutions right now are inspired by some of their learnings (who knows?)
    So if the SF21 is performing better now, Ferrari is only improving it to allow for some lessons for next season, and ahead of them two teams are at war to win the 2021 WDC. You would think SF is putting eggs in 2022 cars while others have to develop their 2021 cars until the end of the season, but I don't expect any benefit.
    So, the chances of winning SF21 this season therefore remain very low.
    But personally, I still hope, and at the very least, I want to see Leclerc in a working SF21. He's so spectacular! (some others are spectacular too, but not or not more in red, like Alonso)
    Thanks. I wasn't aware the 4th engine had modifications. I seriously fear that Mercedes is about to dominate the rest of the season. We have seen some of their power advantage in previous races. Imola for example. If they are able or now willing to unleash that performance regularly, Red Bull are doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpeed View Post
    When pigs fly...
    Overdramatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    i can see a podium in Austin on merit. And a win in Mexico. I may even put money on Mexico.
    I don't see any reason for us to be not competitive in Austin. The track layout favor us. Just look at our performance in Silverstone.

    Also the last sector at Austin is quite tricky, it overheats the rear tyre quite a bit, something our car is not susceptible to. SF21 overheats the front tyres sometimes, but it's very good at looking after the rear tyres.

    With the upgraded PU, a car with very good traction and great drivers, I don't see any reason for us to be pessimistic about our chances at Austin.

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    [QUOTE=tifosi1993;1048993

    With the upgraded PU, a car with very good traction and great drivers, I don't see any reason for us to be pessimistic about our chances at Austin.[/QUOTE]

    Or pessimistic for the rest of the races! Ferrari looks as competitive as the other 3 up front teams. Being allowed to race each other is whats making Charles and Carlos so strong against the rest.

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    I'm still being cautious in my optimism. The most promising thing is we are now ahead of McLaren and if any of the teams faulter infront we will be there to capitalise which is all you can ask considering where we started the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrese86 View Post
    I'm still being cautious in my optimism. The most promising thing is we are now ahead of McLaren and if any of the teams faulter infront we will be there to capitalise which is all you can ask considering where we started the season.
    I agree
    In addition, the last wet race did not give a clear picture of the hierarchy of powers (Leclerc was fast even on Friday with the "old" PU specification). If the conditions are dry, Austin could show us where Mercedes and Ferrari stand (have no doubt about Mercedes)
    I would add that the figth between Merc and Honda improves their cars, making Perez and Bottas even faster podium contenders.
    I'm not saying we'll be disappointed, but I agree with your caution, hoping for the best anyway
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