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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    IF Ferrari got rid of Binotto, do you know how many team principles Ferrari would have gone thru since the start of this hybrid era??

    Better yet, how many team principles have Mercedes have gone thru??? Or RedBull???

    Binotto stays IMO.
    I do agree.

    The team has slowly been progressing.

    Consistency is key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothlessrage* View Post
    Honestly, we should've won 2010, '12, '17, and '18.
    Shoulda, woulda, coulda.....in all seriousness, 2010 and 2012 it was all Alonso’s effort that “@lmost” won us couple of WDC’s....especially in 2012; he put that car and drove the wheels off of it and put in placesit did NOT deserve to be.....

    And in 17 and 18 we had a decent car....was it a championship winning car??? NO of course not....but the pirouette guy messed up big time and maybe with a bit of luck could have won one of those championships....if it wasn’t for his numerous mistakes....

    Some Seb fans will give me a lot of grief about saying that if Alo would have driven in 17, 18 for us, he for sure would have won both of those years....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothlessrage* View Post
    Honestly, we should've won 2010, '12, '17, and '18.
    2010 the car was good, but not the best. Alonso made up for a lot. I would say this is the last year Ferrari should have won.

    2012 the car was actually pretty bad. Alonso might have had his best season

    2017 the Mercedes was still better, Hamilton/Merc did a better job in the last half of the year, even when you factor in the two DNF's for Seb

    2018 the Ferrari was very very good for the first half of the year, but the second half the Mercedes was wayyyyy better. They won 8 of the last 11 races. No chance Ferrari was winning in 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    Shoulda, woulda, coulda.....in all seriousness, 2010 and 2012 it was all Alonso’s effort that “@lmost” won us couple of WDC’s....especially in 2012; he put that car and drove the wheels off of it and put in placesit did NOT deserve to be.....

    And in 17 and 18 we had a decent car....was it a championship winning car??? NO of course not....but the pirouette guy messed up big time and maybe with a bit of luck could have won one of those championships....if it wasn’t for his numerous mistakes....

    Some Seb fans will give me a lot of grief about saying that if Alo would have driven in 17, 18 for us, he for sure would have won both of those years....
    We were thinking and typing the same thing at the same time

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    We were thinking and typing the same thing at the same time
    Ha, ha....true that

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    No, his dream was to get a WDc with Ferrari...but for his multiple pirouettes he never did
    ? Yes his dream was to get a WDC in that Ferrari seat. That's why he wanted that seat. A WDC with Ferrari is the ultimate drivers dream. Meanwhile; 16 WCCs 15 WDCs 237 Race victories is still the best there is and it's Ferrari!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    ? Yes his dream was to get a WDC in that Ferrari seat. That's why he wanted that seat. A WDC with Ferrari is the ultimate drivers dream. Meanwhile; 16 WCCs 15 WDCs 237 Race victories is still the best there is and it's Ferrari!!!
    Great numbers, but one cannot live on former glory...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    Great numbers, but one cannot live on former glory...
    Very true! Past records are for sure just former glory but held on to by many fans. Today's F-1 records are what counts to many fans, and those Ferrari records as far as teams go are still the top. The current drivers records are now the current glory as far as tough to beat. We need the car !!!!!

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    https://onestopstrategy.com/leclerc-...ispute-report/

    Sep.15 (GMM) There was more than meets the eye and the ear about Charles Leclerc’s minor medical episode last weekend at Monza.

    In Friday practice, the Monaco-born driver told Ferrari over the radio: “I need to box. I cannot explain it here.”

    Leclerc briefly visited the medical centre but was discharged soon after and he ultimately completed the remainder of the Italian GP weekend.

    According to the specialist f1sport.it portal, Ferrari’s explanation that Leclerc was simply feeling “slightly unwell” requires more detail.

    The publication claims the source of the 23-year-old’s illness was the “very hard words” he had exchanged with his boss Mattia Binotto some time before the session.

    F1sport.it says even Leclerc’s well-known manager Nicolas Todt had to get involved.

    According to the rumour, the nausea and headache was the result of “the tension and anger that had accumulated in the previous hours”.

    The publication says Binotto had triggered the angst by informing Leclerc that Ferrari would focus more on teammate Carlos Sainz’s development input, because the Spaniard’s feedback is more reliable.

    “Ferrari is something unique,” Binotto is quoted as saying by sports.ru.

    “The most important thing to understand is that this is a unique family, a unique phenomenon. I always tell my guys: it’s more important to be Ferrari than to win, because victories are just a consequence of being Ferrari.

    “I cite the example of Gilles Villeneuve,” the Italian added. “He was a fantastic driver who actually won very little.

    “But his demeanour, his driving style, his passion had a huge impact.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoded View Post
    https://onestopstrategy.com/leclerc-...ispute-report/

    Sep.15 (GMM) There was more than meets the eye and the ear about Charles Leclerc’s minor medical episode last weekend at Monza.

    In Friday practice, the Monaco-born driver told Ferrari over the radio: “I need to box. I cannot explain it here.”

    Leclerc briefly visited the medical centre but was discharged soon after and he ultimately completed the remainder of the Italian GP weekend.

    According to the specialist f1sport.it portal, Ferrari’s explanation that Leclerc was simply feeling “slightly unwell” requires more detail.

    The publication claims the source of the 23-year-old’s illness was the “very hard words” he had exchanged with his boss Mattia Binotto some time before the session.

    F1sport.it says even Leclerc’s well-known manager Nicolas Todt had to get involved.

    According to the rumour, the nausea and headache was the result of “the tension and anger that had accumulated in the previous hours”.

    The publication says Binotto had triggered the angst by informing Leclerc that Ferrari would focus more on teammate Carlos Sainz’s development input, because the Spaniard’s feedback is more reliable.

    “Ferrari is something unique,” Binotto is quoted as saying by sports.ru.

    “The most important thing to understand is that this is a unique family, a unique phenomenon. I always tell my guys: it’s more important to be Ferrari than to win, because victories are just a consequence of being Ferrari.

    “I cite the example of Gilles Villeneuve,” the Italian added. “He was a fantastic driver who actually won very little.

    “But his demeanour, his driving style, his passion had a huge impact.”
    Funny how cloose door meeting are becoming so PUBLIC IONFORMATION NEWS.
    I would never believe that Binotto would tell Leclerc tha Sainz feedback is more reliable, simply because is unnecessary and not team making.
    these are ******** news trying to stain on ferrari reputation and team

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    There have always been some media who want to tarnish the image of Ferrari at any available opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfa84 View Post
    Funny how cloose door meeting are becoming so PUBLIC IONFORMATION NEWS.
    I would never believe that Binotto would tell Leclerc tha Sainz feedback is more reliable, simply because is unnecessary and not team making.
    these are ******** news trying to stain on ferrari reputation and team
    There's more to add to this apparently, "According to rumors in the hallway, that same day Charles Leclerc would go to see Antonio Giovinazzi, telling him to be ready to replace him. At that time, the leader of the Scuderia was close to withdrawing from this Grand Prix for health reasons. A rumor that some interpret as a means used by Leclerc to put pressure on his team."

    Man, I've actually looked it up. A few outlets are reporting on this so-called confrontation. But, I haven't seen any of the big outlets pick up on this though.

    In my opinion, I call guano on these reports.

    But, if they are true we'd see it in the driving style of Leclerc or hear it from the man himself.
    Since he's more emotional rather than stoic.

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    Jackie Stewart holds no punches against Max Verstappen and shows his incredible bias towards Hamilton

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/jackie...ax-verstappen/

    Hamilton was trying to reverse the car despite not even having a rear wing, a clear DNF. Pretty obvious he was okay. But Stewart slams Verstappen's character for not giving Hamilton a hug. But after Bottas and Russell crashed at Imola, it was okay that Russell smacked Bottas who was genuinely in discomfort.

    And then to say Max's 3 place grid penalty was a slap on the wrist because Hamilton could have died if it wasnt for the Halo. I guess Stewart wants to ignore when Hamilton's poor driving at Silverstone crashed Verstappen at over 170 mph into a 51g impact which could have killed him if it wasn't for current F1 safety. Lewis who deserved a penalty and received one that was of little punishment and then went onto celebrate his victory while Max was in hospital. I honestly don't even mind his celebrations, but Stewart should have been outraged by this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Jackie Stewart holds no punches against Max Verstappen and shows his incredible bias towards Hamilton

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/jackie...ax-verstappen/

    Hamilton was trying to reverse the car despite not even having a rear wing, a clear DNF. Pretty obvious he was okay. But Stewart slams Verstappen's character for not giving Hamilton a hug. But after Bottas and Russell crashed at Imola, it was okay that Russell smacked Bottas who was genuinely in discomfort.

    And then to say Max's 3 place grid penalty was a slap on the wrist because Hamilton could have died if it wasnt for the Halo. I guess Stewart wants to ignore when Hamilton's poor driving at Silverstone crashed Verstappen at over 170 mph into a 51g impact which could have killed him if it wasn't for current F1 safety. Lewis who deserved a penalty and received one that was of little punishment and then went onto celebrate his victory while Max was in hospital. I honestly don't even mind his celebrations, but Stewart should have been outraged by this.
    Yeah but Max doesn't know that at the time.

    I don't like either Max or Lewis. I'm sick of Max late breaking, not having control of his car into corners, and forcing the other driver to back out to avoid contact.

    The incident on the first lap was almost a mirror image. Max is on the inside, misses the apex and forces Lewis to cut the chicane.

    Lewis actually left more space and closed the gap more on the second part of the chicane. That's why i originally was assigning more blame to Lewis, but i now think it's mostly Max.

    I think both are to blame, it's a racing incident as much as the Silverstone incident.

    I don't think you can assign either drive more than 70% blame in either incident. And I think you need more than that, to dish out a penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoded View Post
    https://onestopstrategy.com/leclerc-...ispute-report/

    Sep.15 (GMM) There was more than meets the eye and the ear about Charles Leclerc’s minor medical episode last weekend at Monza.

    In Friday practice, the Monaco-born driver told Ferrari over the radio: “I need to box. I cannot explain it here.”

    Leclerc briefly visited the medical centre but was discharged soon after and he ultimately completed the remainder of the Italian GP weekend.

    According to the specialist f1sport.it portal, Ferrari’s explanation that Leclerc was simply feeling “slightly unwell” requires more detail.

    The publication claims the source of the 23-year-old’s illness was the “very hard words” he had exchanged with his boss Mattia Binotto some time before the session.

    F1sport.it says even Leclerc’s well-known manager Nicolas Todt had to get involved.

    According to the rumour, the nausea and headache was the result of “the tension and anger that had accumulated in the previous hours”.

    The publication says Binotto had triggered the angst by informing Leclerc that Ferrari would focus more on teammate Carlos Sainz’s development input, because the Spaniard’s feedback is more reliable.

    “Ferrari is something unique,” Binotto is quoted as saying by sports.ru.

    “The most important thing to understand is that this is a unique family, a unique phenomenon. I always tell my guys: it’s more important to be Ferrari than to win, because victories are just a consequence of being Ferrari.

    “I cite the example of Gilles Villeneuve,” the Italian added. “He was a fantastic driver who actually won very little.

    “But his demeanour, his driving style, his passion had a huge impact.”
    If I had the infinity gauntlet, I would've simply snapped these "Journos" out of existence. They do nothing but waste oxygen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    Yeah but Max doesn't know that at the time.

    I don't like either Max or Lewis. I'm sick of Max late breaking, not having control of his car into corners, and forcing the other driver to back out to avoid contact.

    The incident on the first lap was almost a mirror image. Max is on the inside, misses the apex and forces Lewis to cut the chicane.

    Lewis actually left more space and closed the gap more on the second part of the chicane. That's why i originally was assigning more blame to Lewis, but i now think it's mostly Max.

    I think both are to blame, it's a racing incident as much as the Silverstone incident.

    I don't think you can assign either drive more than 70% blame in either incident. And I think you need more than that, to dish out a penalty.
    Max could feel Lewis trying to back up while, and even says in the article that he saw Lewis trying to reverse even after Max had gotten out. So he addresses why he could tell Lewis was fine.

    I do not understand how everyone can say Max was in the wrong in turn 4 (which I think he was in the wrong as well), but then say he was also in the wrong for Turn 1/2. If Max is wrong in turn 4, then Lewis is wrong in turn 1/2.

    It's also weird that Ocon was ahead of Vettel by more than half a car length, squeezed Vettel slightly off track and created contact. This didn't result in a crash or even loss of position, yet Ocon got a penalty. So according to the Stewards, being ahead doesn't grant you the right to force someone off track. Which I agree with. I personally thought that incident did not deserve a penalty for Ocon.

    As far as Silverstone goes, I disagree. Max left plenty of room, yet Lewis missed the apex by a mile and crashed into Max. With his speed and angle, there was no way Lewis was making that corner. Fault absolutely lies on Lewis Hamilton.

    Monza crash was 100% a racing incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Max could feel Lewis trying to back up while, and even says in the article that he saw Lewis trying to reverse even after Max had gotten out. So he addresses why he could tell Lewis was fine.
    ah, i didn't think of that, that makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    I do not understand how everyone can say Max was in the wrong in turn 4 (which I think he was in the wrong as well), but then say he was also in the wrong for Turn 1/2. If Max is wrong in turn 4, then Lewis is wrong in turn 1/2.
    when Lewis was going into the first part of turn 1, he hit the apex, Max completely missed it going into turn 4

    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    As far as Silverstone goes, I disagree. Max left plenty of room, yet Lewis missed the apex by a mile and crashed into Max. With his speed and angle, there was no way Lewis was making that corner. Fault absolutely lies on Lewis Hamilton.
    I don't remember hearing that Lewis wouldn't have made that corner, if that's the case it makes me rethink that whole incident, although i already think it was 60-70% Lewis' fault

    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Monza crash was 100% a racing incident.
    i actually agree, i'm just trying to assign percentages.The problem is, none of this is written down anywhere.
    I actually think that if you're ahead on the inside, you should be allowed to just straighten the wheel and slowly force the other guy wide, not necessarily off track, but force him wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Max could feel Lewis trying to back up while, and even says in the article that he saw Lewis trying to reverse even after Max had gotten out. So he addresses why he could tell Lewis was fine.

    I do not understand how everyone can say Max was in the wrong in turn 4 (which I think he was in the wrong as well), but then say he was also in the wrong for Turn 1/2. If Max is wrong in turn 4, then Lewis is wrong in turn 1/2.

    It's also weird that Ocon was ahead of Vettel by more than half a car length, squeezed Vettel slightly off track and created contact. This didn't result in a crash or even loss of position, yet Ocon got a penalty. So according to the Stewards, being ahead doesn't grant you the right to force someone off track. Which I agree with. I personally thought that incident did not deserve a penalty for Ocon.

    As far as Silverstone goes, I disagree. Max left plenty of room, yet Lewis missed the apex by a mile and crashed into Max. With his speed and angle, there was no way Lewis was making that corner. Fault absolutely lies on Lewis Hamilton.

    Monza crash was 100% a racing incident.
    agreed.

    Max vs Massa in 2017 in the same corner(Monxa)....both touched.

    Leclerc vs Giovinazzi in 2021 in the same corner(Monza)...both touched.

    Unfortunate Max's right rear tire touches Lewis's left rear tire and launches Max's car over Lewis's car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post


    when Lewis was going into the first part of turn 1, he hit the apex, Max completely missed it going into turn 4
    Actually, Lewis missed the apex into turn 1. You can see it at 6:43 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_J-sfngex4&t=305s Hamilton's right front should have been basically touching the inside sausage curb. He was around 3/4 of a car widths off the apex.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    i actually agree, i'm just trying to assign percentages.The problem is, none of this is written down anywhere.
    I actually think that if you're ahead on the inside, you should be allowed to just straighten the wheel and slowly force the other guy wide, not necessarily off track, but force him wide.
    I've always felt that if 2 cars are beside each other, you give need to give room. What is considered beside each other, well to me if one cars front tire is within 1 tire length forward or back of the other cars front tire, then you are right beside them. If the front tire is only at the other car's rear tire, then they are not. A driver can squeeze outside or inside, but not to the point of pushing someone off the track. Of course the point of when the cars are beside each other becomes a factor, as a driver cannot just dive bomb into the corner and claim he/she was along side. A driver that pushes another off the track should almost always be deemed more at fault than the driver putting his car into a gap that's available.

    It's quite baffling how there are so many interpretations of what is allowed and what isn't, and I blame the FIA and their Stewards for the enormous inconsistencies.

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    All the new era rules and regulations towards the teams and drivers seem never ending. The stewards and F I A should also have to be more updated as to how they decide rules and how they are to be followed and regulated. Old school is out! Especially the 3 engine limit rule causing that penalty if a 4th engine is needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    I guess you didn't understand.

    FerrariF60 said Red Bull is just a Fizzy drink company. If that was the case, that'd be awfully embarrassing for Ferrari. Red Bull is the title sponsor and financial backing of one piece of their empire. People seem to forget they bought out Jaguar in 2004 and their motorsport impact goes far beyond Formula 1. They deserve a hell of a lot more credit that just being a "Fizzy drink company"

    Thank you for agreeing with me that the success Ferrari had has nothing to do with their performance now.
    Success and failure in motorsport come and go in circles.
    Especially when a team like Ferrari is sticking without interruptions.
    People tend to forget that.

    Ferrari is the most successful team with 16 WCC in 70 years. Just because it's "only" 16 out of (wow) 70 years, or because since 2008 they've not won something, that does not make them a failure.
    They do have a dry spell, yes it is disappointing, frustrating even; but that (for better or worse) is the way of motorsport.
    One could try to understand the root cause and debate for hours, some of the things that will be said will be correct and some of them will be idiotic (as in every debate, actually).
    But what is an excercise in futility is when we start comparing with teams like RBR for instance, who have zero presence compared to Ferrari.
    And that does not come from an attitude of arrogance, just a mere fact. I am talking about years of presence , persistence. Challenges.

    Ferrari will persevere, it is just a matter of WHEN, not IF they will be dominating the sport again.
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    I agree and the odds/luck/competition are always incalculable variants and hopefully the house/Ferrari always wins
    in the long game/end? Your "circles" should read cycles instead? Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoded View Post
    https://onestopstrategy.com/leclerc-...ispute-report/

    Sep.15 (GMM) There was more than meets the eye and the ear about Charles Leclerc’s minor medical episode last weekend at Monza.

    In Friday practice, the Monaco-born driver told Ferrari over the radio: “I need to box. I cannot explain it here.”

    Leclerc briefly visited the medical centre but was discharged soon after and he ultimately completed the remainder of the Italian GP weekend.

    According to the specialist f1sport.it portal, Ferrari’s explanation that Leclerc was simply feeling “slightly unwell” requires more detail.

    The publication claims the source of the 23-year-old’s illness was the “very hard words” he had exchanged with his boss Mattia Binotto some time before the session.

    F1sport.it says even Leclerc’s well-known manager Nicolas Todt had to get involved.

    According to the rumour, the nausea and headache was the result of “the tension and anger that had accumulated in the previous hours”.

    The publication says Binotto had triggered the angst by informing Leclerc that Ferrari would focus more on teammate Carlos Sainz’s development input, because the Spaniard’s feedback is more reliable.

    “Ferrari is something unique,” Binotto is quoted as saying by sports.ru.

    “The most important thing to understand is that this is a unique family, a unique phenomenon. I always tell my guys: it’s more important to be Ferrari than to win, because victories are just a consequence of being Ferrari.

    “I cite the example of Gilles Villeneuve,” the Italian added. “He was a fantastic driver who actually won very little.

    “But his demeanour, his driving style, his passion had a huge impact.”
    WTH?

    He had an argument so he got sick? That’s some teenage girl stuff.

    What happened to drivers like James Hunt who would drink a bottle of whiskey, sleep with a couple flight attendants and then get in the car and win. I swear, these new drivers are just little girls.
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    Binotto is under tremendous pressure! Giving Charles the impression Saintz has priority over him is far more helpful than talking about getting more H P etc. Soon Binotto will be back to 2025 as Ferrari;s closest chance of success. Remember him saying poles are no big deal. Give Sainz and Charles the car and Ferrari will be WCCs again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6TransAm01 View Post
    WTH?

    He had an argument so he got sick? That’s some teenage girl stuff.

    What happened to drivers like James Hunt who would drink a bottle of whiskey, sleep with a couple flight attendants and then get in the car and win. I swear, these new drivers are just little girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefa View Post
    I'm pretty sure it's fake news guys.

    It doesn't make sense when there are more reliable reports that they are about to extend his contract to 2026.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    I'm pretty sure it's fake news guys.

    It doesn't make sense when there are more reliable reports that they are about to extend his contract to 2026.
    I was laughing on WS6TransAm01 comment not related to rumor about CL

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    Ferrari: performance more than reliability on the Superfast engine

    Next year's power unit appears to respond to the power targets Zimmermann sought to bridge the gap from the Mercedes engine, while there is still some work to be done on the reliability front. In Maranello they decided to take risks, bringing innovative solutions to the track that still suffer from the problems of youth. But there is time to reach the duration targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF60 View Post
    Ferrari don't need to do squat to promote Formula 1.....ferrari is the most successful brand and the most ICONIC team in F1 and has been in F1 since day ONE.....enough said

    red fool is just a FIZZY drinks company....and Merc....well don't think we'll see them in F1 fo much longer.....the big boss will prolly pull the plug in a few years time
    This is the kind of arrogance that often precedes a downfall. The more Ferrari think they don't have to do anything because they are icons, the more certain they are to lose their iconic throne. This is a well documented trend in business. Many mega companies have all but disappeared because they rested on the strength of their past while their opponents seized the present and future. Keep boasting about Ferrari being the most successful team. One day you'll wake up to a new most successful team and Ferrari will be a Williams of that day. I seriously hope the important people at Ferrari don't have the same attitude as you.
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