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    The race winner downplayed any advantage he may have gained by consistently running wide at Turn 4 – suggesting that he actually helped his tyres when he stopped doing it

    "There's a two-tenth advantage using that part of the circuit, so they did it lap after lap. The race director then asked them to respect the limits, otherwise they'd get a black and white flag."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifoso Svedese View Post
    Well, 2 tenths is a stretch even running off Ascari at Monza, so I can't see why that would be the case in Bahrain. Maybe half a tenth on a normal lap.
    Read above post and article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Did'nt Max overtake Lewis on exceeding track limits thereby carrying greater speed?? Yes, the tarmac is different outside the white lines. It's not as abrasive. Most drivers go over one side of their car over the kerbs at various tracks and there has been no inconsistencies with one side of the car having more wear than the other....OTHER than more left handed corners than right handed corners.

    It's been estimated at T4, exceeding track limits gave the driver 2/10's time advantage each time. So 2/10's multiplied by 29 times is 5.8sec.
    Tarmac is just the same over the white lines.....they could repaint those lines anytime they wanted to change the corner profile.....

    So now tell us how many times Max gained 0.2 by running wide? do you know yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Tarmac is just the same over the white lines.....they could repaint those lines anytime they wanted to change the corner profile.....
    How do you know. You've been to Bahrain F1 track at Sakhir. Where's the proof that says othewise??

    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    So now tell us how many times Max gained 0.2 by running wide? do you know yet?
    I have'nt seen anything on how many times Max gained by running ......nor on any other driver with the exception of Lewis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    How do you know. You've been to Bahrain F1 track at Sakhir. Where's the proof that says othewise??



    I have'nt seen anything on how many times Max gained by running ......nor on any other driver with the exception of Lewis.
    How do you know? it's pretty obvious its the same tarmac with a white line painted on it for goodness sake lol....do you think they just tarmac it to the edge of the white line and stop and start with a different tarmac?

    So unless we know how many times Max done it then we can't say anything about how much time Lewis may or may not have gained over Max can we.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    How do you know? it's pretty obvious its the same tarmac with a white line painted on it for goodness sake lol....do you think they just tarmac it to the edge of the white line and stop and start with a different tarmac?

    So unless we know how many times Max done it then we can't say anything about how much time Lewis may or may not have gained over Max can we.
    Regarding the tarmac, when they repave it your saying they repave beyond the white line (where drivers exceed track limits) then and not just the track only??

    I've only seen tracks being repaved ...not the run-offs where it is smooth also.

    Regarding Max, no we can't really say other than Lewis and the info that is out there. I never said it was definite but possible.
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    Have you been to the track and compared the track before and after the while line?

    Saying it stopped tyre wear is just made up anyway no matter what tarmac is before or after the white line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Have you been to the track and compared the track before and after the while line?

    Saying it stopped tyre wear is just made up anyway no matter what tarmac is before or after the white line.
    Fast forward to 16:16 when someone asks about track limits. Max answers and Lewis answers. Lewis mentioned by going off track limits, it saved his tires.

    F1 2021 Bahrain GP - Post-Race Press Conference (HAM, VER, BOT)

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    Letting the car run naturally wide does save on tire wear and does save time. Not drivers fault. This was FIA. Period. Drivers only would go over limits if it's an advantage and running wide in some corners straightens out the corner and you dont scrub as much speed as taking corner legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
    Letting the car run naturally wide does save on tire wear and does save time. Not drivers fault. This was FIA. Period. Drivers only would go over limits if it's an advantage and running wide in some corners straightens out the corner and you dont scrub as much speed as taking corner legally.
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    Helmut Marko revealed in an interview with "Formel1de" that Red Bull had to reduce power [during the race] because of temperature problems. Despite that, Max was still able to catch up.

    When asked about the issues with Honda engines, Helmut Marko said: "The problems we had were primarily software related. Nothing in the hardware, so things that you can fix with adjustments."


    Full interview in German (no translation)

    Helmut Marko exklusiv: So sehr leidet er mit Vettel, so toll läuft's bei Red Bull! | Interview F1

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    Just wondering why didn't we manage to make a pu as powerful or more powerful than mercs with 1 year in hand and no freeze or restrictions. I am sure 1 year is enough to redesign a new engine? Any ideas on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Max was doing it as well though but you just don't know how much, so you can't make that claim
    Actually when Max was first contacted by RBR to do it, he angrily replied to pitwall that he is not supposed to do this and what the **** are they telling him to do.
    It was then the whole saga started about asking Merc to stop this and so on. Did he do it eventually, probably, did he do it 29 times like Lewis (yes, there is a video counting the times so he did it 29 times)? No.

    Is it FIA's stupidity that caused this? Oh yes.
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    The Fia need to stop this

    The rules should be simple, the inside edge of the wheel should not be allowed to exceed the outside edge of the white line. Irrespective of the corner/straight/session.

    The whole sage seems to have been their own doing by allowing drivers to exceed the track limits at the corner at various sessions.

    There is enough GPS tech to penalise drivers with lowering engine output when conditions are met.

    This will ensure drivers stick between the white lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF1 View Post
    Just wondering why didn't we manage to make a pu as powerful or more powerful than mercs with 1 year in hand and no freeze or restrictions. I am sure 1 year is enough to redesign a new engine? Any ideas on that
    If anyone knows the answer keep it to yourself and negotiate with Ferrari to head up their engine department for a 7 figure retainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 330 p4 View Post
    If anyone knows the answer keep it to yourself and negotiate with Ferrari to head up their engine department for a 7 figure retainer.
    haha good one. on a serious note, Ferrari need to have a winning attitude. When there is no restriction to the engine development and since the engines are going to remain the same for 3-4 years, they should have made an engine that recovered all the lost HP and also gain some more knowing the competition will gain as well. For a team like Ferrari, 1 year should be more than enough to have the best PU . If Merc and Honda can do it, Ferrari can do it as well. Everyone is hoping for 2022, but whats the guarantee that other teams wont be up there as well and if for some reason Ferrari wont be the top team in 2022, will they start focusing on 2025? No matter the regulations and how often it changes, Ferrari should always try and innovate and be the top team every season. If there is a will there is away

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    Now that the Turn 4 GP International Circuit race is in the past I hope our drivers are really looking forward to Imola . Ferrari is not banned from a podium!! Our drivers will fight with what they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FF1 View Post
    haha good one. on a serious note, Ferrari need to have a winning attitude. When there is no restriction to the engine development and since the engines are going to remain the same for 3-4 years, they should have made an engine that recovered all the lost HP and also gain some more knowing the competition will gain as well. For a team like Ferrari, 1 year should be more than enough to have the best PU . If Merc and Honda can do it, Ferrari can do it as well. Everyone is hoping for 2022, but whats the guarantee that other teams wont be up there as well and if for some reason Ferrari wont be the top team in 2022, will they start focusing on 2025? No matter the regulations and how often it changes, Ferrari should always try and innovate and be the top team every season. If there is a will there is away
    As good as Ferrari are so are the others. At the top level in anything when others have a head start it's not so simple as to catch up in a small time span, in this case 1 year. Rumours for next year is a change in engine concept. Gains must be large in theory to risk this.

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    The year 2025 can wait, this Sun. April 11th.. .Imola !! Charles and Carlos racing each other for WCC points should be great. Who knows? Maybe even a podium. Binotto needs to stop talking about the next years as Ferrari's only chances. Just today Apr. 8th in an interview Binotto stated that there's no chance at least in the next 3 or 4 races for any hope for a podium. Perez won his 1st race from 18th place to the win! He also should not push Mick's 2023 debut in that coveted Ferrari seat. That would mean one of our drivers has to go. Not very encouraging for current boys to say the least. That's down force on their future.
    Last edited by Brembo; 8th April 2021 at 23:39.

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    Think race is next week Brembo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Bob View Post
    Think race is next week Brembo.
    Yes, you are right. April 18th not this coming week end.; the next. I just wanted to see if you are paying attention! It can't come soon enough!
    Last edited by Brembo; 9th April 2021 at 23:37.

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