2021 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 20 - 23

**tifosi1993** · 22nd May 2021, 15:26

Who the **** cares about P3 or P4 in the championship? If people are really desperate abut the WCC table, then finishing on P4 is better than P3 because we'll get extra wind tunnel days.

But that shouldn't be under consideration whatsoever. Leclerc deserves to win this race and so too Ferrari after all the hard works they have done.

First lets wait and see. We still don't know if the Gearbox is damaged beyond repair.

**Cavallino** · 22nd May 2021, 15:27

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

Again, IF Leclerc gets the penatly, it's Leclerc's fault for getting the penalty.....for which I hope he does'nt get the penalty.

Yeah i agree it's his fault he gets the penalty. He probably had the position in the bag.

**nani_s23** · 22nd May 2021, 15:29

Ferrari Winning at Monaco & Monza is always a special for the entire tifosi.

**Tifoso Svedese** · 22nd May 2021, 16:02

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Who the **** cares about P3 or P4 in the championship? If people are really desperate abut the WCC table, then finishing on P4 is better than P3 because we'll get extra wind tunnel days.

But that shouldn't be under consideration whatsoever. Leclerc deserves to win this race and so too Ferrari after all the hard works they have done.

First lets wait and see. We still don't know if the Gearbox is damaged beyond repair.

Sadly seems like Binotto does already saying "we won't gamble". I'm so sick of his loser "muh P3" mentality. The orange junk seem to have gotten to his head. Even in 2017 and 2018 not gambling would've been the wrong decision since you can't recover at Monaco.

**paolo lalli** · 22nd May 2021, 16:16

Monocco you have to risk it for the biscuit.All drivers are on the ragged edge of this so called glamorous circuit.

**MSC Fan** · 22nd May 2021, 16:20

It's been a while and still no word so far....

**wisepie** · 22nd May 2021, 16:22

Whatever conspiracy theories may be aired (crashing a la Michael), it was a brilliant quali from Charles and a genuine trying too hard moment which brought out the red flags. Look how much we suffered at Imola after the red flag, so give us a break! Sincerely hope the gearbox is OK and no penalty, I feel for Carlos who could have have made it a Ferrari front-row lockout, he wasn't a happy boy. Forza to the team and drivers. Oh, and GIO in the top 10 too!

**tifosi1993** · 22nd May 2021, 16:24

Originally Posted by Tifoso Svedese

Sadly seems like Binotto does already saying "we won't gamble". I'm so sick of his loser "muh P3" mentality. The orange junk seem to have gotten to his head. Even in 2017 and 2018 not gambling would've been the wrong decision since you can't recover at Monaco.

Why are you blaming Binotto for Charles's mistake? If the gearbox is beyond repair, then they have to replace it.

But I'm praying for the gearbox to be still intact.

**tifosi1993** · 22nd May 2021, 16:26

Originally Posted by wisepie

Whatever conspiracy theories may be aired (crashing a la Michael), it was a brilliant quali from Charles and a genuine trying too hard moment which brought out the red flags. Look how much we suffered at Imola after the red flag, so give us a break! Sincerely hope the gearbox is OK and no penalty, I feel for Carlos who could have have made it a Ferrari front-row lockout, he wasn't a happy boy. Forza to the team and drivers. Oh, and GIO in the top 10 too!

Michael deliberately parked his car, Leclerc crashed his car. Former is a bad sportsmanship, latter is a genuine mistake. I don't see how you can put these two incidents in the same bracket.

**Tifoso Svedese** · 22nd May 2021, 16:29

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Why are you blaming Binotto for Charles's mistake? If the gearbox is beyond repair, then they have to replace it.

But I'm praying for the gearbox to be still intact.

"not gambling".

We should gamble like crazy in terms of this.

**jgonzalesm6** · 22nd May 2021, 16:38

Originally Posted by Tifoso Svedese

"not gambling".

We should gamble like crazy in terms of this.

"We should gamble like crazy in terms of this"-->by this you mean not changing the gearbox??? If so, what happens during the race if the gearbox gives out because Ferrari "gambled like crazy" and did'nt check it.

That's asinine!!!

Ferrari "will not gamble" on Leclerc's gearbox despite Monaco GP pole

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fe...-pole/6513526/

**Tifoso Svedese** · 22nd May 2021, 16:43

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

"We should gamble like crazy in terms of this"-->by this you mean not changing the gearbox??? If so, what happens during the race if the gearbox gives out because Ferrari "gambled like crazy" and did'nt check it.

That's asinine!!!

Ferrari "will not gamble" on Leclerc's gearbox despite Monaco GP pole

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fe...-pole/6513526/

Yeah because another race staring at Norris' exhaust pipe and collecting an irrelevant points number is so refreshing

**Ferrarichamp** · 22nd May 2021, 16:46

So Binotto will not 'gamble' if there's a chance the gearbox won't last the whole race?
So Charles and Ferrari will be left wondering, what if we did gamble, would we have won? Oh well, we'll never know now

**jgonzalesm6** · 22nd May 2021, 16:50

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Michael deliberately parked his car, Leclerc crashed his car. Former is a bad sportsmanship, latter is a genuine mistake. I don't see how you can put these two incidents in the same bracket.

Correct. Michael parked his car at Rascasse. Leclerc crashed his car way before Rascasse. Agree on the bad sportsmanship and a genuien mistake.

**jgonzalesm6** · 22nd May 2021, 16:51

Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp

So Binotto will not 'gamble' if there's a chance the gearbox won't last the whole race?
So Charles and Ferrari will be left wondering, what if we did gamble, would we have won? Oh well, we'll never know now

Better to achieve whatever points Ferrari can get with Leclerc than possibly no points at all.

**Jax** · 22nd May 2021, 16:54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSMn...EDF1UNFILTERED listen to this , ****** cringe

**Tifoso Svedese** · 22nd May 2021, 16:54

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

Better to achieve whatever points Ferrari can get with Leclerc than possibly no points at all.

So you'd not traded

Massa 2008
Alonso 2010
Alonso 2012
Alonso 2013
Vettel 2017
Vettel 2018

for a single world title?

Interesting. Sometimes in life you have to gamble and realize that second is just first loser.

**jgonzalesm6** · 22nd May 2021, 16:58

Originally Posted by Tifoso Svedese

So you'd not traded

Massa 2008
Alonso 2010
Alonso 2012
Alonso 2013
Vettel 2017
Vettel 2018

for a single world title?

Interesting. Sometimes in life you have to gamble and realize that second is just first loser.

Don't brush the canvas with a broad stroke of the brush. Stay relevant. Ferrari is not gambling with Leclerc's gearbox. They are going to check it AND hoipefully it passes.

**Cavallino** · 22nd May 2021, 16:58

Originally Posted by Tifoso Svedese

So you'd not traded

Massa 2008
Alonso 2010
Alonso 2012
Alonso 2013
Vettel 2017
Vettel 2018

for a single world title?

Interesting. Sometimes in life you have to gamble and realize that second is just first loser.

Of course I would when you look at it this way.

but if you look at it in the moment as a single independent event, we aren't going to win the championship. So go for it.

**Ferrarichamp** · 22nd May 2021, 16:58

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

Better to achieve whatever points Ferrari can get with Leclerc than possibly no points at all.

Starting P6 with a new gearbox doesn't guarantee anything.

**Tifoso Svedese** · 22nd May 2021, 17:00

Originally Posted by Cavallino

Of course I would when you look at it this way.

but if you look at it in the moment as a single independent event, we aren't going to win the championship. So go for it.

Yes, just go for it. It's better to have loved and lost than having not tried at all. We have zero chance at winning the title so any extra points in one race out of 23 are meaningless. It's a win that matters.

**jgonzalesm6** · 22nd May 2021, 17:01

Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp

Starting P6 with a new gearbox doesn't guarantee anything.

In Monaco, the chances of Leclerc keeping his P6 position is quite high....provided Leclerc does'nt hit anyone and causes damage or their is a pit strategy mess up.

**Tifoso Svedese** · 22nd May 2021, 17:02

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

In Monaco, the chances of Leclerc keeping his P6 position is quite high....provided Leclerc does'nt hit anyone and causes damage or their is a pit strategy mess up.

Who cares about P6?

Besides Jgonzales and Binotto???

**jgonzalesm6** · 22nd May 2021, 17:04

Originally Posted by Tifoso Svedese

Yes, just go for it. It's better to have loved and lost than having not tried at all. We have zero chance at winning the title so any extra points in one race out of 23 are meaningless. It's a win that matters.

You're assuming that there is nothing wrong with gearbox. What if Ferrari does change the gearbox, then your assumptions of winning the race would be non-sequitur.

**Tifoso Svedese** · 22nd May 2021, 17:05

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

You're assuming that there is nothing wrong with gearbox. What if Ferrari does change the gearbox, then your assumptions o winning the race would be non-sequitur.

What I'm arguing against is precautionary changes. If it's good enough to start the race with but could break during the race it's a million times better to ride the luck and see how far it lasts.

**jgonzalesm6** · 22nd May 2021, 17:29

Originally Posted by Tifoso Svedese

What I'm arguing against is precautionary changes. If it's good enough to start the race with but could break during the race it's a million times better to ride the luck and see how far it lasts.

IF Ferrari changes the gearbox, it was'nt because of a "precautionary measure." Ferrari inspects it to make sure it fits the tightest of tolerances, can handle the loads of heat(fluid) and rear wheel axles and rear suspension components (the engine and gearbox act as a structural frame in the aft part of the car).

I'm hoping the gearbox passes.

**MSC Fan** · 22nd May 2021, 17:29

Since we haven't heard anything from the team about the gearbox thus far, I assume that things are alright. I hope I don't wake up tomorrow and end up being disappointed. It feels like it's been decades since we last properly contested for a win/taken a pole even if it was just 1 year lol.

**Alonsomaniac** · 22nd May 2021, 17:32

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

I don't see how you can put these two incidents in the same bracket.

You should read the Dutch F1 forums......plenty of Max fans have no problem doing that. Charles is not particularly popular in my country.

**nani_s23** · 22nd May 2021, 17:36

Originally Posted by MSC Fan

Since we haven't heard anything from the team about the gearbox thus far, I assume that things are alright. I hope I don't wake up tomorrow and end up being disappointed. It feels like it's been decades since we last properly contested for a win/taken a pole even if it was just 1 year lol.

2019 Monza ... last win.