Russian GP 2021 - Race

[Greig]

Vettel used to call his own strategies. Maybe Leclerc should do it as well.

Sainz already overruled them in Hungary, which in the end, turned out to be a great decision.

Or we should wait to hear some radio before deciding but you carry on making up what you want.

[Greig]

Fine for you I guess.

He was flying along towards the end before the rain are you ignoring that?

[nani_s23]

LOL his race strategy was fine till the rain arrived.

Race strategy but not pit stops … both our cars were held in pit-lane atleast 2-4sec additionally.

[Tifoso Svedese]

He came in 3 laps too late for mediums in the first place that's certainly true, he had a window to be ahead of Russell but it would've been moot when whoever decided to try out the red ferry in the Black Sea at the end you know!

[Greig]

Race strategy but not pit stops … both our cars were held in pit-lane atleast 2-4sec additionally.

Seems a lot of teams are having problems in the stops since the new directive about minimum time, even Red Bull today.

[jgonzalesm6]

Sainz called it immediately “get ready for inters”… this should have triggered atleast for Charles as well.
Will be waiting for radio messages….

+1

[Cavallino]

since when does pit stop mistakes == strategy mistakes

[Cavallino]

3/4 of the track was dry, i was okay with the gamble to stay out, but at a certain point they have to know as a team when the one sector is too wet.

[tifosi1993]

He was flying along towards the end before the rain are you ignoring that?

He was 7.8 seconds ahead of Vettel after overtaking him but came out behind Vettel after his pitstop. And Leclerc's pit stop was only 1.9 seconds slower than Vettel's.

Had Ferrari pitted him when Lando was behind him, Leclerc would've joined the track ahead of Russell. He only had to do 21 laps on his fresh mediums which was more than enough.

[Cavallino]

He was 7.8 seconds ahead of Vettel after overtaking him but came out behind Vettel after his pitstop. And Leclerc's pit stop was only 1.9 seconds slower than Vettel's.

Had Ferrari pitted him when Lando was behind him, Leclerc would've joined the track ahead of Russell. He only had to do 21 laps on his fresh mediums which was more than enough.

there are benefits to staying out longer even when you are losing some time. safety cars... rain....

[killer]

That was a 4.8 seconds pit stop. But Leclerc did 1m42's when both Norris and Hamilton passed him on track. Before the overtakes, Leclerc was only 3.9 seconds behind Alonso. But after being overtaken, he was 8.9 seconds behind.

Ferrari has no excesses for leaving him on track for just to get overtaken and then pit him after.

Yes, a 4.8-second stop. They will have all decided to go longer to give him a shorter stint on the faster tyre. Let’s see what they say. Being overtaken by Lando and Hamilton was moot; Charles’ position was provisional at that point.

[tifosi1993]

3/4 of the track was dry, i was okay with the gamble to stay out, but at a certain point they have to know as a team when the one sector is too wet.

Then why they didn't take the gamble with Sainz? Both were on top 10, so it's quite idiotic to leave one car on track and pit the other one.

Ferrari pit wall had the access to all the high-tech weather radar. They are the ones who should be making decisions when rain is coming, not Leclerc/Sainz.

[jgonzalesm6]

I'm not of favor of Lando getting DoD. He gambled against his pit crew to come in for inters and eventually lost the race.

[darkchild]

He came in 3 laps too late for mediums in the first place that's certainly true, he had a window to be ahead of Russell but it would've been moot when whoever decided to try out the red ferry in the Black Sea at the end you know!

Finally someone mentioning that. They pitted him 3 laps late for first pitstop, which lost them 3s + 2s for slow pitstop. Instead of being ahead of Russell, he got behind him, Vettel, Ocon and Kimi. Terrible calls from Ferrari pitwall today.

[PURE PASSION]

Guys just relax a bit and try to see the whole picture from a distance. It was tricky conditions where in half lap a decision can give you a win or and last /crash!!!! When they strat pitting, there was not so much water and Lec was fast on slicks. And then in more or less in a lap the rain came harder. As I see it ,the team play it both ways with the 2 drivers to cover both scenarios.
This "ridiculous " team as some say ,took the decision yesterday to pit Sai for softs to take 2nd place. And again today with Sainz to take 3d place.
In these conditions is not how capable or not is a team ,but mostly a bit of luck if and when you will take a decision to switch tires!!!

[Cavallino]

Then why they didn't take the gamble with Sainz? Both were on top 10, so it's quite idiotic to leave one car on track and pit the other one.

Ferrari pit wall had the access to all the high-tech weather radar. They are the ones who should be making decisions when rain is coming, not Leclerc/Sainz.

there are also benefits to splitting your strategies.

[killer]

Then why they didn't take the gamble with Sainz? Both were on top 10, so it's quite idiotic to leave one car on track and pit the other one.

Ferrari pit wall had the access to all the high-tech weather radar. They are the ones who should be making decisions when rain is coming, not Leclerc/Sainz.

We cannot say they did not at this point.

[darkchild]

there are also benefits to splitting your strategies.

Mate, the point of strategy is to minimize time loss. At 33rd lap of the race, he pits for M tires and he can EASILY go to end of the race with 60% tank gone.

They kept him for additional 3-4 laps for some odd reason, but that closed Russell window and with slow stop made him get behind 4 other cars. It was TERRIBLE call, splitting strat was already done by lap 15-16 when they pitted Sainz and not Leclerc.

[stefa]

Seems a lot of teams are having problems in the stops since the new directive about minimum time, even Red Bull today.

What is that new directive about minimum time?!

[killer]

Finally someone mentioning that. They pitted him 3 laps late for first pitstop, which lost them 3s + 2s for slow pitstop. Instead of being ahead of Russell, he got behind him, Vettel, Ocon and Kimi. Terrible calls from Ferrari pitwall today.

A 3-second stop would have done exactly that. The fumbled stop cost him, not when he was called in.

[Cavallino]

Mate, the point of strategy is to minimize time loss. At 33rd lap of the race, he pits for M tires and he can EASILY go to end of the race with 60% tank gone.

They kept him for additional 3-4 laps for some odd reason, but that closed Russell window and with slow stop made him get behind 4 other cars. It was TERRIBLE call, splitting strat was already done by lap 15-16 when they pitted Sainz and not Leclerc.

i'm talking about when the rain came.

but there is also benefit to staying out longer, gamble for a safety car, or for rain which was about to come at that point

[nani_s23]

Guys just relax a bit and try to see the whole picture from a distance. It was tricky conditions where in half lap a decision can give you a win or and last /crash!!!! When they strat pitting, there was not so much water and Lec was fast on slicks. And then in more or less in a lap the rain came harder. As I see it ,the team play it both ways with the 2 drivers to cover both scenarios.
This "ridiculous " team as some say ,took the decision yesterday to pit Sai for softs to take 2nd place. And again today with Sainz to take 3d place.
In these conditions is not how capable or not is a team ,but mostly a bit of luck if and when you will take a decision to switch tires!!!

Yup at the end it’s a gamble in these tricky conditions. One will win & other will loose. Unfortunately leclerc is at the other end.

[killer]

What is that new directive about minimum time?!

Safety grounds. The car release light I think is connected to sensors on the wheel guns.

[tifosi1993]

there are also benefits to splitting your strategies.

Not when the rain is coming.

Today's result says it all: Leclerc was ahead of Verstappen, Sainz and Bottas before the rain, but he stayed out and paid the price. And when Ferrari decided to pit Sainz, they should've also pitted Leclerc on the same lap.

[nani_s23]

What is that new directive about minimum time?!

Nope … I think it’s more on the procedure of wheel gun etc..

[DIEK]

https://twitter.com/AdrianMCF/status...25973122551809

Alo with mix rain onboard.

[tifosi1993]

But I'm happy with Charles's pace today. He pretty much kept up with Max's Red Bull.

Bodes really well for upcoming races.

[darkchild]

A 3-second stop would have done exactly that. The fumbled stop cost him, not when he was called in.

Not really, fumbled stop would made him get behind Russell, but staying out for 3 more laps put him behind others (when added to fumbled stop).

[Cavallino]

But I'm happy with Charles's pace today. He pretty much kept up with Max's Red Bull.

Bodes really well for upcoming races.

very happy, i'm hoping we can steel one this year.

[jgonzalesm6]

Not when the rain is coming.

Today's result says it all: Leclerc was ahead of Verstappen, Sainz and Bottas before the rain, but he stayed out and paid the price. And when Ferrari decided to pit Sainz, they should've also pitted Leclerc on the same lap.

+1