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    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    The biggest winner is F-1 not having Merc on pole! Fans are back to watching and not knowing who's to be on the podium! And.. Ferrari back to being with the top contenders. We have two great drivers for sure.
    We are off by 0.7 seconds with this new engine. I will wait until the first qualifying in 2022 to see where we really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax84 View Post
    We are off by 0.7 seconds with this new engine. I will wait until the first qualifying in 2022 to see where we really are.
    Austin is a peak Red Bull track. Even Checo is fast - which is a sign that the broken clock is right twice a day. What I prefer looking at is the distance to Bottas which is 0.1 seconds here. That's a consistent marker for how close we are to get podiums on merit.

    Distance to second Mercedes this season for our best car:

    Bahrain: 0.092
    Imola: -0.158
    Portugal: 0.686
    Spain: 0.627
    Monaco: -0.749* (red flag)
    Baku: -1.441* (red flag)
    France: 0.464
    Styria: 0.405
    Austria: 0.510 (no Ferrari in Q3)
    Britain: 0.610
    Hungary: 0.762
    Belgium: 1.426 (Q2, wet)
    Netherlands: 0.305
    Italy: 0.809
    Russia: 1.215 (Q2, wet, last session on equal tyres)
    Turkey: 0.267
    USA: 0.131

    2020 versus second Mercedes:

    Austria: 0.872
    Styria: 0.980
    Hungary: 1.220
    Britain: 0.811
    70-Britain: 1.393
    Spain: 1.444
    Belgium: 1.233
    Italy: 1.317
    Tuscany: 1.267
    Russia: 1.383
    Eifel: 0.510
    Portugal 0.336
    Imola: 0.910
    Turkey: 1.402 (Q2)
    Bahrain: 1.596
    Sakhir: 0.210
    Abu Dhabi: 0.733

    So, a mile of difference there as well.

    So, discounting the first two races where Mercedes hadn't figured the car out and the red-flag qualifyings on street courses, the difference is abundantly clear. The engine has made a sizeable leap forward and had this been August we'd been stuck behind the orange rockets on the grid today.
    Last edited by Tifoso Svedese; 24th October 2021 at 15:02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifoso Svedese View Post
    Austin is a peak Red Bull track. .
    It is this weekend but this was'nt the case in the turbo hybrid era. It's been Mercedes dominated since 2014......until yesterday regarding qualifying.
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    We'll be lucky to get one car on the podium..

    As third best chassis and with Ferrari race strategy (LOL), it will be tough..

    (PS Lord, please let Max and Shamilton take each other out!)
    Angry. Always.

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    Another confirmation of the great work the engineers at Maranello did with the new hybrid system (now on both cars): Leclerc and Ricciardo have the same straight line speed on the back straight and LEC gains more than 0.2s in Sector 2!

    #Leclerc #Ricciardo
    FERRARI FOR EVER !!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Singer View Post
    We'll be lucky to get one car on the podium..

    As third best chassis and with Ferrari race strategy (LOL), it will be tough..

    (PS Lord, please let Max and Shamilton take each other out!)
    If nothing happens to the top 3 ,there's NO WAY we could fight for podium. To be in a good form to be ahaid of McLs is one thing BUT to fight for podiums on pure performance is a totally different thing ,impossible this year!!!
    And even Bottas is pretty possible to pass us as he starts only 4-5 places behind, and he had so much stronger pace yesterday!!!!
    We have to see things as they are and not get ahaid of ourselves and asking to much of the team !!!
    FERRARI FOR EVER !!!!!!!

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    Such optimism !!! I'm hoping nether Charles or Carlos frequents this forum!

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    I am sensing more lies from Toto and co. Looks like Horner may have been right about mercs floor running too low. Perhaps Merc changing it now to avoid a protest from RedBull after the race. Either way, always special treatment for Merc from the FIA.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/merced...e-floors-usgp/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t View Post
    I am sensing more lies from Toto and co. Looks like Horner may have been right about mercs floor running too low. Perhaps Merc changing it now to avoid a protest from RedBull after the race. Either way, always special treatment for Merc from the FIA.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/merced...e-floors-usgp/
    Horner also said there is nothing illegal about what Mercedes is doing. Apparently Mercedes have just found a better what of compressing the suspension at very high speeds (300 kph or so). Teams have been doing this for decades in some fashion or another.

    What sucks is Red Bull found a way to flex their wing that passed all tests, and the FIA change the rules mid season as per Mercedes' complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifoso Svedese View Post
    Simple. Team orders and a more aggressive two-stopper. I expect Carlos in at laps 10-12 and then go for mediums in a bid to make up track position for his eventual second stop for hards to the end.

    As for the elevation, Mexico is infamous for having Red Bull processions back in the era where the Mercedes engine really lit it up. It makes a ton of difference up on 2,300 metres.

    Correct, because they cannot increase the pressure of the turbocharger. So, good news for the next race
    Last edited by Gilles; 25th October 2021 at 21:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Horner also said there is nothing illegal about what Mercedes is doing. Apparently Mercedes have just found a better what of compressing the suspension at very high speeds (300 kph or so). Teams have been doing this for decades in some fashion or another.

    What sucks is Red Bull found a way to flex their wing that passed all tests, and the FIA change the rules mid season as per Mercedes' complaints.
    Still not buying it, Merc was on the pace to take pole before Horner complained. Then they magically decided to change their floors and they lost pace. IMO Merc are dirty cheats, plain and simple.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bu...es-suspension/

    Mercedes did change the floor of their cars after Friday’s practices but that, it is said, was more to do with the height than a reaction to Red Bull’s request.

    Wolff conceded at the time that it cost Mercedes pace, with Max Verstappen taking both pole position and the United States GP win.
    ~FORZA FERRARI~

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    Merc went quicker on Saturday than they did on Friday though?
    Forza Ferrari

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t View Post
    Still not buying it, Merc was on the pace to take pole before Horner complained. Then they magically decided to change their floors and they lost pace. IMO Merc are dirty cheats, plain and simple.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bu...es-suspension/

    Mercedes did change the floor of their cars after Friday’s practices but that, it is said, was more to do with the height than a reaction to Red Bull’s request.

    Wolff conceded at the time that it cost Mercedes pace, with Max Verstappen taking both pole position and the United States GP win.
    Sounds like it was a ride height adjustment was needed because the desired ride height was damaging the floor.

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    The FIAs special treatment with Merc keeping them out of the wins is causing millions $$$ of fans to come back to our favorite sport F-1 Now if only Ferrari will give our drivers a little more push and a better pit stop the podium needs Ferrari!!!

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