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    Formula 1: 'Human error' responsible for incorrect application of rules in Abu Dhabi

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60807766
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    I'd like to know why there was no track limits enforced in qualifying. Supposedly it's now the white line defines the track, which it should always have been, but that should make it much much easier to police. Instead Perez clearly went over the white line and no penalty was given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    I'd like to know why there was no track limits enforced in qualifying. Supposedly it's now the white line defines the track, which it should always have been, but that should make it much much easier to police. Instead Perez clearly went over the white line and no penalty was given.
    Well their systems were not working properly at all, so that's probably the reason. Timing data were wrong, bugs all over the place... they have a rough couple of weeks ahead of them to iron it all out. Then hopefully even the track limits enforcing will be consistent.

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    I guess Eduardo Freitas is only doing the WEC this weekend otherwise he would've been watch track limits like a hawk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Well their systems were not working properly at all, so that's probably the reason. Timing data were wrong, bugs all over the place... they have a rough couple of weeks ahead of them to iron it all out. Then hopefully even the track limits enforcing will be consistent.
    I noticed some timing errors, like Russell showing purple S1, yet 0.9 seconds off the pace.

    Isn't the track limits policed by eye? If so, Perez was on screen when he went off track, and they showed a replay!

    I don't understand how they have this many goofs or can't get it right when it's nothing really new. Plus they had all of testing last week to be prepared. Seems amateur for one of the largest spectated sports worldwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    I noticed some timing errors, like Russell showing purple S1, yet 0.9 seconds off the pace.

    Isn't the track limits policed by eye? If so, Perez was on screen when he went off track, and they showed a replay!

    I don't understand how they have this many goofs or can't get it right when it's nothing really new. Plus they had all of testing last week to be prepared. Seems amateur for one of the largest spectated sports worldwide.
    Compared to other racing series F1 has become more amateur as far was stewarding is concerned, even more so since the Bernie days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    Formula 1: 'Human error' responsible for incorrect application of rules in Abu Dhabi

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/60807766
    Good that they are doing something, VAR will be excellent !!!

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    Sponsorship for the teams and fan attendance at the tracks and watching on TV needed Lewis to stay @ 7. Masi did what he was told. The result came at the last lap of the 2021 season! 2022 will be watched and enjoyed hoping Merc will stay out of controlling the win.

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    #AMus reported about the Mercedes deficits:

    • over one lap, the gap is at 0.5s
    • over a race distance, the gap is at 0.8s per lap due to higher tyre deg

    It seems Mercedes also lacks a bit of PU power and the ICE is frozen now (you can't update that).

    Mercedes wants to sort out their car issues by the start of the European races in Imola (they understand the car better but still need to make big setup compromises). Lewis thinks they have a fundamental issue and it will take longer than that.

    On the other teams:

    McLaren drivers were instructed on the straights to move from the racing line in order to cool components. It wasn't the brakes this time.

    Aston Martin has too little downforce and too much drag.
    Williams lacks downforce too.

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    Sainz new deal with Ferrari is pretty much done according to reports.
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    just saw this

    https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/10677...the-cause.html

    i'm not sure how reliable that source is.

    a few thoughts...

    if they simply ran out of fuel, which i heard in twitter rumours, that's great because it means the extra fuel they carry during the race is going to make them a few tenths per lap slower.

    if it's the higher fuel temperatures overheating the pump, how do you solve that? increase cooling? by sacraficing aero, also costing them race and qualifying pace you would guess.

    i don't see how it can be the pump though, the way Perez just spun out it was like the engine seized. and if they truly don't know....

    that last scenario is actually the worst outcome for us, because Red Bull will use anything to activate the "reliability" clause of the engine freeze. be glad it's happening to Red Bull (and not Merc) who might not have the infrastructure in the engine department yet to react to this.

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    If it's a 3d party part like fuel pump, how can they work with the engine to "solve " the problem?? Even Gaslys was an MGU-K failure so again nothing to do with the ice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    just saw this

    https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/10677...the-cause.html

    i'm not sure how reliable that source is.

    a few thoughts...

    if they simply ran out of fuel, which i heard in twitter rumours, that's great because it means the extra fuel they carry during the race is going to make them a few tenths per lap slower.

    if it's the higher fuel temperatures overheating the pump, how do you solve that? increase cooling? by sacraficing aero, also costing them race and qualifying pace you would guess.

    i don't see how it can be the pump though, the way Perez just spun out it was like the engine seized. and if they truly don't know....

    that last scenario is actually the worst outcome for us, because Red Bull will use anything to activate the "reliability" clause of the engine freeze. be glad it's happening to Red Bull (and not Merc) who might not have the infrastructure in the engine department yet to react to this.
    Quote Originally Posted by PURE PASSION View Post
    If it's a 3d party part like fuel pump, how can they work with the engine to "solve " the problem?? Even Gaslys was an MGU-K failure so again nothing to do with the ice
    RedBull update regarding their cars "fueling out" at Bahrain. Also explains how the fuel system works.

    FormulaUno excerpts translated:

    The fuel is not drawn by one pump, but by three. Initially, there is a lift pump (low pressure) that sends the fuel to a manifold.

    Subsequently, the priming pump intervenes which increases the pressure and sends the fuel to the high-pressure pump, which has the function of feeding the injectors of the V6 internal combustion engine.

    Two of these three pumps are classified by the FIA as SSC,i.e. standard supply components. We are talking about the priming pump, supplied by Magneti Marelli, and the high pressure one, supplied by Bosch.

    The lifting pump is instead classified as an OSC (open source) component, ie a part that teams can design independently but in which the project must be shown to the other teams, via a dedicated FIA server. The other teams can thus download and analyze it, even copy it.

    In the pre-season test, some teams, including Ferrari, had problems with the priming pumps.

    Over the weekend in Bahrain, the FIA gave the teams more time inside the Parc Fermé to check these pumps, also proposing their replacement should the teams notice any problems.

    Horner confirmed this, adding that “it was more of a general problem and not specific to our car. We were given extra time, so we wanted to check them out just to be safe". As understood by FormulaUno, Red Bull was among the few teams not to replace it.

    In the past few hours, the FIA has unofficially denied that the problem directly concerns this component. We then started talking about temperature at the lifting pump caused by the "cavitation" of the fuel.

    A pump works fluids, not gases, for that a compressor would be needed. We can therefore understand that if the fuel were to evaporate, it would create many problems both to the pump and to the accessories that compose it, such as its gaskets.

    If a gasket were to overheat, losing its physical and mechanical characteristics, it would generate a loss of pressure in the fuel system of the internal combustion engine and therefore a failure to send the fuel to the subsequent stages of the supply.

    A team does not believe in the technical reasons, adding that it is very likely that both Red Bull's stopped on the track due to lack of fuel.

    To compensate for the weight difference of the RB18, according to a qualified source, approaching 10 kg over Ferrari, would mean they use less fuel.

    This, coupled with a very tough race from a competitive point of view for the first four drivers and overheating that altered the fuel level (the new E10 evaporates at a lower temperature), helped to take the car over the limit.

    Even after the performance in Bahrain, Red Bull believes that the RB18 has an advantage of 1-2 tenths on the race pace compared to the F1-75, which disappeared in race precisely because of these problems that occur while racing in dirty air.

    https://www-formu1a-uno.translate.go...n&_x_tr_pto=sc
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    f1 cars running out of fuel, like the 1980s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    RedBull update regarding their cars "fueling out" at Bahrain. Also explains how the fuel system works.

    FormulaUno excerpts translated:

    The fuel is not drawn by one pump, but by three. Initially, there is a lift pump (low pressure) that sends the fuel to a manifold.

    Subsequently, the priming pump intervenes which increases the pressure and sends the fuel to the high-pressure pump, which has the function of feeding the injectors of the V6 internal combustion engine.

    Two of these three pumps are classified by the FIA as SSC,i.e. standard supply components. We are talking about the priming pump, supplied by Magneti Marelli, and the high pressure one, supplied by Bosch.

    The lifting pump is instead classified as an OSC (open source) component, ie a part that teams can design independently but in which the project must be shown to the other teams, via a dedicated FIA server. The other teams can thus download and analyze it, even copy it.

    In the pre-season test, some teams, including Ferrari, had problems with the priming pumps.

    Over the weekend in Bahrain, the FIA gave the teams more time inside the Parc Fermé to check these pumps, also proposing their replacement should the teams notice any problems.

    Horner confirmed this, adding that “it was more of a general problem and not specific to our car. We were given extra time, so we wanted to check them out just to be safe". As understood by FormulaUno, Red Bull was among the few teams not to replace it.

    In the past few hours, the FIA has unofficially denied that the problem directly concerns this component. We then started talking about temperature at the lifting pump caused by the "cavitation" of the fuel.

    A pump works fluids, not gases, for that a compressor would be needed. We can therefore understand that if the fuel were to evaporate, it would create many problems both to the pump and to the accessories that compose it, such as its gaskets.

    If a gasket were to overheat, losing its physical and mechanical characteristics, it would generate a loss of pressure in the fuel system of the internal combustion engine and therefore a failure to send the fuel to the subsequent stages of the supply.

    A team does not believe in the technical reasons, adding that it is very likely that both Red Bull's stopped on the track due to lack of fuel.

    To compensate for the weight difference of the RB18, according to a qualified source, approaching 10 kg over Ferrari, would mean they use less fuel.

    This, coupled with a very tough race from a competitive point of view for the first four drivers and overheating that altered the fuel level (the new E10 evaporates at a lower temperature), helped to take the car over the limit.

    Even after the performance in Bahrain, Red Bull believes that the RB18 has an advantage of 1-2 tenths on the race pace compared to the F1-75, which disappeared in race precisely because of these problems that occur while racing in dirty air.

    https://www-formu1a-uno.translate.go...n&_x_tr_pto=sc
    Τhis is ,i presume, considering that that was our pace . If we also hould some pace for several reasons ( lot of rumours about running conservative pu modes) then we could also see the same next race !!
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    I remember back in 2014-2015( not sure ) FOM was screening live fuel usage info of the cars.

    Would ve nice addition to 2022

    Found it

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    regardless of the actual part that is causing, from everything we've heard, the possible remedies are either add fuel, or add cooling to your engine and fuel, both of them are going to cost laptime atleast in race trim.

    unless it's their specific fuel blend that is causing problems, they'll be allowed to change that for "reliability" but it will take time, not in time for Jeddah or even Australia.

    just continue to qualify on pole and keep them in the dirty air. overheating because of overly aggressive aero is a Newey trait I've noticed for quite a long time.

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    So essentially red Bull ran out of fuel. Lol

    Let’s hope they’re forced to carry extra fuel at Saudi Arabia. 10KG of extra weight is easily a tenth per lap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFTifoso View Post
    So essentially red Bull ran out of fuel. Lol

    Let’s hope they’re forced to carry extra fuel at Saudi Arabia. 10KG of extra weight is easily a tenth per lap.
    Horner keep saying “the fuel is there”

    Just before Verstappen retired , His engineer said we can see the issue , it is not battery related.

    So They knew what was going on. I presume they are not going to reveal it.

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    Anyone want more races per season???? How bout 30 races per season.

    Formula 1 boss Stefano Domenicali has confirmed to Sky Sports F1 that Las Vegas and Africa could both hold races in the future, and says 30 Grands Prix a season would be possible due to the level of interest in the sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Anyone want more races per season???? How bout 30 races per season.

    Formula 1 boss Stefano Domenicali has confirmed to Sky Sports F1 that Las Vegas and Africa could both hold races in the future, and says 30 Grands Prix a season would be possible due to the level of interest in the sport.
    Nah as much as i love watching F1 more than any other sport, around 20 races is enough.

    30 races gonna overwhelm both teams and drivers.

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    what they could do is drop one of the European races (we have enough of those), and return to South Africa for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Anyone want more races per season???? How bout 30 races per season.

    Formula 1 boss Stefano Domenicali has confirmed to Sky Sports F1 that Las Vegas and Africa could both hold races in the future, and says 30 Grands Prix a season would be possible due to the level of interest in the sport.
    30 would be great, they will need to find ways of making it manageable.

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    Do cars still have to provide a fuel sample if they DNF?

    It really is starting to sound like they ran out of fuel. You could almost read into what Max's engineer was saying to him "It's not the battery, we can see the problem...There isn't much we CAN do". Surely though they would have known if they were running out of fuel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacKy View Post
    Nah as much as i love watching F1 more than any other sport, around 20 races is enough.

    30 races gonna overwhelm both teams and drivers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrarichamp View Post
    what they could do is drop one of the European races (we have enough of those), and return to South Africa for example.


    Quote Originally Posted by enjaybel3 View Post
    30 would be great, they will need to find ways of making it manageable.

    Teams would have rotating crews for each race....to keep up with the logistics, pit crew, and so on.

    It's possible they would increase the budget cap in that department.
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    it's perfect the way it is, if not a tad too much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavallino View Post
    it's perfect the way it is, if not a tad too much
    Agreed, personally I think 20 races is the sweet spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Anyone want more races per season???? How bout 30 races per season.

    Formula 1 boss Stefano Domenicali has confirmed to Sky Sports F1 that Las Vegas and Africa could both hold races in the future, and says 30 Grands Prix a season would be possible due to the level of interest in the sport.
    Las Vegas: please, please, please.
    Although, I think we could stand to ditch a couple of current races, and replace them, TBH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacKy View Post
    Horner keep saying “the fuel is there”

    Just before Verstappen retired , His engineer said we can see the issue , it is not battery related.

    So They knew what was going on. I presume they are not going to reveal it.
    Yes I’m sure the fuel is there, but in what state? Vapor? Horner can say whatever he wants, the essentially ran out of liquid fuel. The quickest way to solve is is to add extra fuel. The long term solution is for exxon to reformulate their E10 so it stays liquid longer. And in the hotter races this problem could get worse; as it was quite cool in Bahrain.

    Either way I hope they’re forced to carry extra liquid dead weight.

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    30 races. Way to reduce the carbon footprint. 30 races isn't like Nascar traveling around the USA, F1 is a global motorsport. He worked for Ferrari, doesn't he remember that the mechanics and everyone else have families?

    Plus I like that teams can develop and repair cars in the weeks between races.

    What a horrible idea, and i see very few that actually support it. But let's be honest, the more races on the calendar means the more money for the white collars of F1 and Liberty Media. If we add 7 more races, how many are going to be middle eastern because they pay $50 million a year?

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