2022 Monaco Grand Prix - Race Thread

[jgonzalesm6]

Hard to do because Ferrari is too busy beating themselves at the track.

Leclerc is trying to win the WDC on 2 fronts.

1. Trying to beat Max

2. Trying to beat his own teams crucial decisions.

What a mind job that must undertake.

[WS6TransAm01]

Leclerc is trying to win the WDC on 2 fronts.

1. Trying to beat Max

2. Trying to beat his own teams crucial decisions.

What a mind job that must undertake.

100% correct.

[Greig]

Leclerc is trying to win the WDC on 2 fronts.

1. Trying to beat Max

2. Trying to beat his own teams crucial decisions.

What a mind job that must undertake.

While Charles is error free right?

[jgonzalesm6]

While Charles is error free right?

Leclerc is one mind while on the track when he is racing.

Leclerc's pit crew, to include Sainz's pit crew, are several minds trying to bring a Ferrari 1-2 at a track that is nearly impossible(with the top teams) to overtake to include in the rain.

Why did'nt Ferrari shadow RedBull's pitstops immediately instead of waiting a couple of laps???? The bait was Perez by RedBull by pitting first.

2 minds are better than 1 no???.......or at least thats the majority rule.

[aroutis]

Why did'nt Ferrari shadow RedBull's pitstops immediately instead of waiting a couple of laps????

Also my question. One would think this is textbook. Apparently not.

[Greig]

Leclerc is one mind while on the track when he is racing.

Leclerc's pit crew, to include Sainz's pit crew, are several minds trying to bring a Ferrari 1-2 at a track that is nearly impossible(with the top teams) to overtake to include in the rain.

Why did'nt Ferrari shadow RedBull's pitstops immediately instead of waiting a couple of laps???? The bait was Perez by RedBull by pitting first.

2 minds are better than 1 no???.......or at least thats the majority rule.

Max would have just stayed out and waited for slicks is probably why.....

[darkchild]

All they needed to do was to go from wet to slicks, which was a plan for at least one of them (one that doesnt cover Perez).

Once they saw Perez was fast enough to nullify covering by Sainz, who would get out behind him, they should have stayed on wet to slick strat with both drivers because at that moment, with 2 laps gone by, covering with your P1 driver was extremely risky.

Perez was 25s behind after getting out of pit stops. There is no way he would pose a direct threat to Leclerc, because he would have to first get to Sainz and pass him AND pit for slicks after it. They threw away the race with one of the worst strategy calls of all time. They pitted leader two times in 5 laps. In Monaco of all places. Simply astonoshing.

[jgonzalesm6]

Max would have just stayed out and waited for slicks is probably why.....

Sainz had Max covered by being 2nd. Regardless, you bring in Leclerc right after the Perez pit stop.

[Brembo]

Agree on all points but the last.

Charles is like Michael. He'll never badmouth the team, even when things are their fault. I'd much rather have a driver that loses with class, as opposed to the unbelievable childish displays by the "GOAT" all time, who disgraced and smeared the entire sport in defeat.

7WDCs so far; 103 wins ; a few podiums! Disgraced and smeared Who ? What? Where? He even allowed George the use of his car so far! " Move over; let George pass !" O K .

[Cavallino]

Max would have just stayed out and waited for slicks is probably why.....

this is what i've been saying, but we have the best strategists on this board.

we did cover with Sainz, we just got stuck behind the moving chicanes

That's why the Fizzy Drink guys brought Perez in, they WANTED us to take that bait and pit Leclerc so that the driver they care about (Maxipad) would just nurse his tyres and wait it out until he comes out ahead of the only driver they deem a threat, which is Leclerc.

Are you all so deluded to think that the Fizzy Drink guys intentionally gave Chico the better strategy.

[FerrariF60]

this is what i've been saying, but we have the best strategists on this board.

we did cover with Sainz, we just got stuck behind the moving chicanes

That's why the Fizzy Drink guys brought Perez in, they WANTED us to take that bait and pit Leclerc so that the driver they care about (Maxipad) would just nurse his tyres and wait it out until he comes out ahead of the only driver they deem a threat, which is Leclerc.

Are you all so deluded to think that the Fizzy Drink guys intentionally gave Chico the better strategy.

VERY WELL SAID........that day we had a very slim chance of winning the race with Leclerc...we ONLY would have won if Max would have pitted first....but red bull are too wise, they know the overcut in monaco does wonders

if it would have been a dry race and NOT so much chaos, we had better chances in winning.....if's and's or but's....

common lets roll on the next race and lets hope the team learns from this bad result adn come out stronger

[Greig]

this is what i've been saying, but we have the best strategists on this board.

we did cover with Sainz, we just got stuck behind the moving chicanes

That's why the Fizzy Drink guys brought Perez in, they WANTED us to take that bait and pit Leclerc so that the driver they care about (Maxipad) would just nurse his tyres and wait it out until he comes out ahead of the only driver they deem a threat, which is Leclerc.

Are you all so deluded to think that the Fizzy Drink guys intentionally gave Chico the better strategy.

Yep they got lucky with Perez to win as it was not in their thinking, he was pitted to try and force us to react and get Max ahead. We messed up a bit stacking Charles behind Carlos but those outlaps were what really cost us badly.

[Cavallino]

VERY WELL SAID........that day we had a very slim chance of winning the race with Leclerc...we ONLY would have won if Max would have pitted first....but red bull are too wise, they know the overcut in monaco does wonders

if it would have been a dry race and NOT so much chaos, we had better chances in winning.....if's and's or but's....

common lets roll on the next race and lets hope the team learns from this bad result adn come out stronger

exactly why everyone here was apprenhensive of the rain, it turned the race into a lottery.

only with the benefit of hindsight do we know now that we should have just left the guys out there until dries or safety car.

also, if the fizzy drink guys did pit Maxipad first, they would have gladly let Chico run forever on wets.

It's a lot easier when you have a clear number 2.

[Cavallino]

Yep they got lucky with Perez to win as it was not in their thinking, he was pitted to try and force us to react and get Max ahead. We messed up a bit stacking Charles behind Carlos but those outlaps were what really cost us badly.

agree 100%

[darkchild]

Yep they got lucky with Perez to win as it was not in their thinking, he was pitted to try and force us to react and get Max ahead. We messed up a bit stacking Charles behind Carlos but those outlaps were what really cost us badly.

That is not correct. We messed up by trying to cover Perez with Leclerc one lap too late. That resulted in two (2) pit stops from lead in Monaco in 3 laps.

Albon took 3s of Leclercs time, but double stacking meant he would still have to wait for Sainz to get his pitstop, so even without it he would have lost to Max.

Grave mistake was pitting Leclerc to cover of Perez after 2 laps. That sealed the deal completely. Wet to slicks was right strat as it was timed in 5 laps from moment Leclerc pitted on interns. Horrid mistake, perhaps one of the biggest strategy mistakes I can remember. Staying wet to slick with both would also mean Perez had to overturn 25s to Leclerc AND pass Sainz for good measure. As proven by similarly paced cars like Merc and Alpine, rather unlikely.

[jgonzalesm6]

this is what i've been saying, but we have the best strategists on this board.

we did cover with Sainz, we just got stuck behind the moving chicanes

That's why the Fizzy Drink guys brought Perez in, they WANTED us to take that bait and pit Leclerc so that the driver they care about (Maxipad) would just nurse his tyres and wait it out until he comes out ahead of the only driver they deem a threat, which is Leclerc.

Are you all so deluded to think that the Fizzy Drink guys intentionally gave Chico the better strategy.

VERY WELL SAID........that day we had a very slim chance of winning the race with Leclerc...we ONLY would have won if Max would have pitted first....but red bull are too wise, they know the overcut in monaco does wonders

if it would have been a dry race and NOT so much chaos, we had better chances in winning.....if's and's or but's....

common lets roll on the next race and lets hope the team learns from this bad result adn come out stronger

Yep they got lucky with Perez to win as it was not in their thinking, he was pitted to try and force us to react and get Max ahead. We messed up a bit stacking Charles behind Carlos but those outlaps were what really cost us badly.

exactly why everyone here was apprenhensive of the rain, it turned the race into a lottery.

only with the benefit of hindsight do we know now that we should have just left the guys out there until dries or safety car.

also, if the fizzy drink guys did pit Maxipad first, they would have gladly let Chico run forever on wets.

It's a lot easier when you have a clear number 2.

On lap 17 Perez pitted (2.3 sec stopped), about 30 seconds later Ferrari calls Sainz in (bringing inters out of the garage) then 5 seconds later cancels it with "STAY OUT STAY OUT". This was the big mistake. Should have called in Charles while Perez was on his relatively slow out lap. Race over.

The times posted tell the tale.
Perez gained 2.7 seconds on his 1st "pit lap" (only 0.4 second shorter time stopped vs Charles) then puts in an absolutely stonking 1st full lap on inters of 1:25.2 to overtake LeClerc while he was still in the pit lane. That was the lap of the race. Full credit to Checo.

Without seeing in car from Charles' lap 17 and 18 don't know if he was held up by traffic, but RB pitting first and Ferrari missing the opportunity to pit Charles the very next lap was the defining moment of the race.

Side note: Ferrari may have been mislead by Gasly's times on inters, because he was stuck behind K-Mag and Bottas when Perez pitted. Clearly RB realized it was time to ditch the full wets.

Sainz's strong wish to go straight to slicks pretty clearly threw a monkey wrench into Ferrari's pit wall strategy, which never should have happened. They took their eyes off the prize and it cost them.

That is not correct. We messed up by trying to cover Perez with Leclerc one lap too late. That resulted in two (2) pit stops from lead in Monaco in 3 laps.

Albon took 3s of Leclercs time, but double stacking meant he would still have to wait for Sainz to get his pitstop, so even without it he would have lost to Max.

Grave mistake was pitting Leclerc to cover of Perez after 2 laps. That sealed the deal completely. Wet to slicks was right strat as it was timed in 5 laps from moment Leclerc pitted on interns. Horrid mistake, perhaps one of the biggest strategy mistakes I can remember. Staying wet to slick with both would also mean Perez had to overturn 25s to Leclerc AND pass Sainz for good measure. As proven by similarly paced cars like Merc and Alpine, rather unlikely.

yep. Agreed.

[Gilles]

That is not correct. We messed up by trying to cover Perez with Leclerc one lap too late. That resulted in two (2) pit stops from lead in Monaco in 3 laps.

Albon took 3s of Leclercs time, but double stacking meant he would still have to wait for Sainz to get his pitstop, so even without it he would have lost to Max.

Grave mistake was pitting Leclerc to cover of Perez after 2 laps. That sealed the deal completely. Wet to slicks was right strat as it was timed in 5 laps from moment Leclerc pitted on interns. Horrid mistake, perhaps one of the biggest strategy mistakes I can remember. Staying wet to slick with both would also mean Perez had to overturn 25s to Leclerc AND pass Sainz for good measure. As proven by similarly paced cars like Merc and Alpine, rather unlikely.

As Leo Turrini said, they tried to cover Perez with Charles because Carlos refused to do so. That was a bad decision that even RB didn't hope for. Sainz only races for himself, and sooner or later it had to become a problem (Marko, Horner and ...Brembo are having fun)

[FerrariF60]

As Leo Turrini said, they tried to cover Perez with Charles because Carlos refused to do so. That was a bad decision that even RB didn't hope for. Sainz only races for himself, and sooner or later it had to become a problem (Marko, Horner and ...Brembo are having fun)

exactly, the sooner Ferrari realizes that carlos is kind of going off track with is decisions and hurting the TEAM in general, teh better...as in they'll have to tell him, you are NR 2 driver....you are NO match for Leclerc period, so you may as well help him or your 2 year contract is OUT THE WINDOW

[jgonzalesm6]

How The Monaco Strategy Battle Played Out | Jolyon Palmer's F1 TV Analysis | 2022 Monaco Grand Prix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryo-6tanhYc

[darkchild]

As Leo Turrini said, they tried to cover Perez with Charles because Carlos refused to do so. That was a bad decision that even RB didn't hope for. Sainz only races for himself, and sooner or later it had to become a problem (Marko, Horner and ...Brembo are having fun)

Well it doesnt matter what Sainz wanted or didnt, covering with him makes 0 sense because he would get behind Checo anyway. Thats entire point, if they didnt cover with Leclerc after one lap, should have continued for wet to slicks and thats it. Sainz is irrelevant in it the moment he was undercut by Sainz, and that was after one lap on internss.

[Cavallino]

On lap 17 Perez pitted (2.3 sec stopped), about 30 seconds later Ferrari calls Sainz in (bringing inters out of the garage) then 5 seconds later cancels it with "STAY OUT STAY OUT". This was the big mistake. Should have called in Charles while Perez was on his relatively slow out lap. Race over.

The times posted tell the tale.
Perez gained 2.7 seconds on his 1st "pit lap" (only 0.4 second shorter time stopped vs Charles) then puts in an absolutely stonking 1st full lap on inters of 1:25.2 to overtake LeClerc while he was still in the pit lane. That was the lap of the race. Full credit to Checo.

Without seeing in car from Charles' lap 17 and 18 don't know if he was held up by traffic, but RB pitting first and Ferrari missing the opportunity to pit Charles the very next lap was the defining moment of the race.

Side note: Ferrari may have been mislead by Gasly's times on inters, because he was stuck behind K-Mag and Bottas when Perez pitted. Clearly RB realized it was time to ditch the full wets.

Sainz's strong wish to go straight to slicks pretty clearly threw a monkey wrench into Ferrari's pit wall strategy, which never should have happened. They took their eyes off the prize and it cost them.



yep. Agreed.

covering Chico with Leclerc. Way to fall into the RB trap buddy. Maxipad would have waited to go straight to slicks at that point. Or just wait for the safety car.

[Cavallino]

Well it doesnt matter what Sainz wanted or didnt, covering with him makes 0 sense because he would get behind Checo anyway. Thats entire point, if they didnt cover with Leclerc after one lap, should have continued for wet to slicks and thats it. Sainz is irrelevant in it the moment he was undercut by Sainz, and that was after one lap on internss.

you're also correct, you're just also failing to see why you couldn't just bring Leclerc in

[darkchild]

you're also correct, you're just also failing to see why you couldn't just bring Leclerc in

Because of Norris, yes, but that doesnt mean we should bring him in one lap too late when his interns will give Checo +5s on Leclercs inlap.

Wet to slicks was only viable strat and they blew it.

[jgonzalesm6]

covering Chico with Leclerc. Way to fall into the RB trap buddy. Maxipad would have waited to go straight to slicks at that point. Or just wait for the safety car.

So the waiting 2 laps later to cover Checo was a "smart" move then. I don't think so. If Checo came in, Leclerc should have come in right afterwards.

[Cavallino]

How The Monaco Strategy Battle Played Out | Jolyon Palmer's F1 TV Analysis | 2022 Monaco Grand Prix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryo-6tanhYc

lol, basically if Sainz would have crossed the pit exit line which is apparently legal now, he wins the race.

[Cavallino]

So the waiting 2 laps later to cover Checo was a "smart" move then. I don't think so. If Checo came in, Leclerc should have come in right afterwards.

i didn't say it was, my point all along was that the geniuses on this board who are so quick to criticize aren't seeing the full picture either.

[Cavallino]

Because of Norris, yes, but that doesnt mean we should bring him in one lap too late when his interns will give Checo +5s on Leclercs inlap.

Wet to slicks was only viable strat and they blew it.

i agree with you 100%

[TTRSMAD]

It's simple as many said on this board and are 100% right. Ferrari choked and fell for the Perez bait. All Leclerc needed to do is wait 4 laps and get on slicks that's it. I don't understand, the only reason I could see is that the Ferrari meteorologist

predicted rain till the end.

[Cavallino]

i do agree that in the future we have to be ready for the fizzy drink guys to try random pit stops when they're behind, they're not just going to sit there and lose. They'll try to do things like what Ham did in Hungary 2020, we have to be on our toes, so I hope we learn from this

[jgonzalesm6]

i didn't say it was, my point all along was that the geniuses on this board who are so quick to criticize aren't seeing the full picture either.

What is the "full picture" as you say??