2022 Austrian Grand Prix - -Buildup, Practice & Qualifying Thread

[Tifoso Svedese]

How does leaving the sport benefit Ferrari?

Threatening to do it benefits Ferrari because it forces concessions from the others running scared of losing tons of revenue.

Either way, there's always a possibility of a European-based breakaway series that would wrestle away attention from F1 if Ferrari were part of it. No more ghost town desert venues but rather sold out classic venues in Europe which would put Liberty Media out of business real fast. A series that would undoubtedly have Monaco, Spa, Monza, Silverstone and Hockenheim on the schedule because Liberty Media constantly threaten or remove the European golden gooses. Ferrari never use the team's massive leverage about anything. That's the worst part. F1 shouldn't be degraded into some NASCAR/NFL franchise soulless entity with less than 1/3 of races where the teams and the audience is.

Now with the really dumb NFL-style budget cap at a bargain basement level it's a great opportunity for the top teams to pack their bags and pursue an alternative to the BS that F1 has been turned into under the American vulture capitalists. F1 is not about having economical affirmative action for teams no-one cares about to win via wrecking the top teams artificially. That's something the Americans can keep in their pro sports instead.

[Greig]

Threatening to do it benefits Ferrari because it forces concessions from the others running scared of losing tons of revenue.

Either way, there's always a possibility of a European-based breakaway series that would wrestle away attention from F1 if Ferrari were part of it. No more ghost town desert venues but rather sold out classic venues in Europe which would put Liberty Media out of business real fast. A series that would undoubtedly have Monaco, Spa, Monza, Silverstone and Hockenheim on the schedule because Liberty Media constantly threaten or remove the European golden gooses. Ferrari never use the team's massive leverage about anything. That's the worst part. F1 shouldn't be degraded into some NASCAR/NFL franchise soulless entity with less than 1/3 of races where the teams and the audience is.

So just threaten to do it but not actually do it? Ferrari were already part of a breakaway movement but left when it served its purpose and signed a new deal. Starting a new series would not be as easy as you think and still governed by the FIA....you think the teams don't want F1 in these new venues? off course they do.

[Tifoso Svedese]

So just threaten to do it but not actually do it? Ferrari were already part of a breakaway movement but left when it served its purpose and signed a new deal. Starting a new series would not be as easy as you think and still governed by the FIA....

Mosley explained that the FIA would just serve as administrators in the event the GPWC had happened. In other words, they would just be licensing the circuits but the teams wouldn't need to cater to them during the technical regulations et cetera.

I personally believe that the GPWC not happening is the greatest shame in motorsports history. We now have a situation where we don't have a Grand Prix in Germany (!) but have one in Azerbaijan (!!) instead. That's not something that persuades car manufacturers getting involved, mind. Middle men like Bernie and the Liberty Media trash are what's made the sport a lot worse, not better.

[Greig]

Mosley explained that the FIA would just serve as administrators in the event the GPWC had happened. In other words, they would just be licensing the circuits but the teams wouldn't need to cater to them during the technical regulations et cetera.

I personally believe that the GPWC not happening is the greatest shame in motorsports history. We now have a situation where we don't have a Grand Prix in Germany (!) but have one in Azerbaijan (!!) instead. That's not something that persuades car manufacturers getting involved, mind. Middle men like Bernie and the Liberty Media trash are what's made the sport a lot worse, not better.

FOTA was set up to cut costs and budgets lead by Ferrari and Red Bull just a smokescreen to get a better concorde deal...saying Bernie made the sport worse is hilarious though he turned it into a worldwide televised sport.

Also - https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...formula-1-2026

[Gilles]

Toothlessrage, mate, i'am still angry today because Binotto did not support Vetel after his mistake in Germany (2018). He was still a fast driver and able to win the title, but he found himself isolated from the pain of having ruined his home race and the terrible verbal attacks of the competitors.
Vetel has never been the same, while he remained with Ferrari two more years
I don’t know where Binotto found an interest in doing this, but what is obvious is that he has terribly compromised the results of his driver and his team
And giving him a victory a year later at the expense of Charles to restore his confidence followed what logic?
I feel him like someone who breaks drivers when the right attitude would be to give them confidence

Give the kid the team!

[Tifoso Svedese]

FOTA was set up to cut costs and budgets lead by Ferrari and Red Bull just a smokescreen to get a better concorde deal...saying Bernie made the sport worse is hilarious though he turned it into a worldwide televised sport.

Also - https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...formula-1-2026

In spite of Bernie. Not thanks to him. The top teams had more revenues to make ends meet in the 90s than today not to mention there were larger grids. With 1990s money the teams were able to afford larger budgets than the hyperinflated 2020s in spite of just 16 races to get the revenue in! Bernie and Liberty have just ruined it and turned F1 into a garbage spec series with endless safety cars racing in irrelevant places. Not to mention heavy tumbleweed cars that are way too long and wide for any natural style of racing.

Not sure why you always defend everything bad about the sport including the NASCAR-caution inflation. It's strange.

[nani_s23]

I don't think there is anything to agree or disagree on? Is the TD just not enforcing the rules already there?

Then why is Mercs pushing it hard?

[nani_s23]

Binotto: "We are still discussing much the TD & porpoising but as a matter of a fact, it doesn‘t seem to be an issue / subject anymore. It was not a subject in Silverstone, it has not been a subject in Austria for none of us. Pretty sure it isn‘t in the next two races. Again, are we overshoot with the subject and the FIA?, was there really a true need to try to act and to release TDs? As first they did it in Canada, not following the right progress.After that they reviewed it, start discussion at the TAC. There will be new discussions next week at the TAC, once again, try to fine tune it.On the floor, there will be some changes which will be required because now a new clarification has been issued, new tests, new requirements, new specifications. It will take some time to do it.So at least it‘s good to relax it to Belgium, because it not being a subject, there is no need to rush.

[JPZ]

If Ferrari were to demote Binnoto, it's obvious he'd resign. He (or anyone else) wouldn't be able to take that humiliation.
If Binnoto resigns, then he'd most probably leave with a grudge and look to reveal team secrets.

But, I say Binnoto has kept his word and delivered a strong machine: the F1 - 75
He bought in 2 strong pilots: Leclerc and Sainz
The only area, I say, he lacks is team dynamics and politics.

That's why I suggested he should have an enforcer to address any weaknesses and
to extract every ounce of performance available from the team.

Even though, I criticize Binnoto.
I still have faith in him.

Agreed.

[nani_s23]

RB chief engineer Paul Monaghan also confirmed there will be changes to the floor according to new TD.

[PURE PASSION]

According to Duchessa when asked why Binotto said that we will change the floor in Spa according to the new TD:

He said another thing. There is no concern, the fund needs to be further developed and will take into account the clarifications

[Greig]

In spite of Bernie. Not thanks to him. The top teams had more revenues to make ends meet in the 90s than today not to mention there were larger grids. With 1990s money the teams were able to afford larger budgets than the hyperinflated 2020s in spite of just 16 races to get the revenue in! Bernie and Liberty have just ruined it and turned F1 into a garbage spec series with endless safety cars racing in irrelevant places. Not to mention heavy tumbleweed cars that are way too long and wide for any natural style of racing.

Not sure why you always defend everything bad about the sport including the NASCAR-caution inflation. It's strange.

Strange would be moaning about the sport and everyrhing it does....racing has been very good this year but i guess your just never going to like it so you can moan about it.

[Greig]

Hopefully a good start for us here and Charles can jump Max.

[Greig]

Softs or Mediums then? Think will be softs and hope they hang on.

[stasera]

I think mediums will be perfect decision rather than softs

[Cavallino]

Softs or Mediums then? Think will be softs and hope they hang on.

i thinnk mediums, but the armchair strategists are pretty silent right now.

but if you put on softs and get a well timed safety car... but i just don't think the delta is there to make the softs work. i wouldn't be disappointed if we put Sainz on softs, and had him hold up Maxipad to help Charles through, and to split our strategies, other contenders are so far behind he should still get third.

[Greig]

Problem for Alonso!

[458 Italia]

Tyre blankets left on Alonso

[Greig]

Aborted start, Zhou stopped

Edit got it going now.

[Greig]

Nando ain't starting, disaster for them.

[Greig]

Feisty Ferrari's.....

[458 Italia]

Sainz ahead of Charles.

[458 Italia]

Now they've changed back!

[Greig]

Carlos a bit keen but worth a try, now cmon Charles lets get him....

[ferrari1.8t]

Ferraris fighting and let Verstappen get away…when will these guys learn.

[458 Italia]

Max already running away. Russell right on Carlos' gearbox.

[gump1480]

Sainz should have gone on the inside of turn 3....bad decision there

[ferrari1.8t]

Watching the race restart, Verstappen pushes Charles right off the track. The guy has no race craft….

[gump1480]

Charles is slower ...significantly than Ves

[Greig]

FL Charles