From ScuderiaFerrarifans:
"Plastic bag stuck on Carlos Sainz’s F1-75 car could explain poor pace in last stint of Hungarian GP"
Hummm....
I wonder why he was already slow the first two?
Sorry, i like this one
Hahahahaha.... For a moment I thought that it was the points that decided who is better, but this fourm in its immense knowledge is proving me wrong.
You can have pace in one race and screw it totally in the next, as CL does as of late... It's the points at the end of the season that counts.
You are right , everyone has excuses. Do we really want to start listing the excuses Carlos made this year for his failures?
Don't get me wrong, I like Carlos, but fact of the matter is, there is a certain pattern this year.
When he manages not to bin the car, (granted, it's finally been a while!), when he's racing in front of Charles, Charles catches up to him and here we go again :
Charles pushes him to go faster
Carlos just can't go faster cause Charles is faster than him
Charles talks to the pitwall, asking about what it's gonna be
Either pitwall tells Carlos he has 2 laps to go faster or concede position, or lo and behold, he needs to pit.
After pits, the magic happens and he's behind Charles.
Listen, between two drivers , they cannot both be exactly fast; in this case Charles is the faster. No shame in it.
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
Do you think DNF's play an integral part in the championship title or "who's the better team-mate?" Yes or No please.
It's not how start but how you finish.
I believe @ Ferrari it's Carlos and Mick with a happy $$ Santander. Charles wrecking Seb ended there. Not better not worse; Charles met his match with Carlos.
yes, but what if the team steals his points?? i dont even talk about dnf s which are related to the car issues.
just remember british gp, monaco and hungary. three victories thrown away by the team. and he ended up with 5th not even second
at least 75 points thrown away by the team. and more than that, some problems in his car. like azerbaijan, spain etc.
and at least 40 points his mistakes in imola and france this is the least part of the losing points
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
IF you want to claim there is a GOAT , there is a very interesting web site which applies scientific methods trying to analyze data and not just preferences.
https://f1-analysis.com/2022/05/31/who-is-the-f1-goat/
It's a huge read so to cut things short this is the final list after several extrapolations explained within the link:
1) Juan Manuel Fangio
2) Alain Prost
3) Michael Schumacher
4) Fernando Alonso
5) Alberto Ascari
6) Jim Clark
7) Ayrton Senna
8) Max Verstappen
9) Niki Lauda
10) Nelson Piquet
11) Lewis Hamilton
12) Sebastian Vettel
13) Stirling Moss
14) Jackie Stewart
15) Jack Brabham
To me this is a very sensible list.
Conclusions
-The model generally thinks there is 1 dominant driver at any given time in F1 history, although occasionally there are crossover points or times where there isn’t such a driver.
-Drivers considered the best of their era are: Fangio, (Moss,) Clark, Lauda, Prost, (Senna), Schumacher, Alonso and Verstappen.
-Whilst it’s Alonso, rather than Hamilton or Vettel that is considered the best driver for the majority of the last 20 years, both #44 and #5 are thought of as well above average drivers. This is true both in their era and across F1 history.
-Verstappen is currently considered the best driver in F1, but his ranking within F1’s hierarchy of all-time greats is still fluctuating. It is also possible that another driver (e.g. Leclerc, Norris or Russell) could provide a consistent challenge in the coming years.
-The model considers the F1 grid to be getting stronger over time. This is true for the best drivers of the era and the top half of the grid as a whole.
-Not adjusting for this fact leaves Max Verstappen as the greatest F1 driver of all time.
-Adjusting for the grid increasing in strength leaves Fangio and Prost as the 2 best drivers given the era that they drove in.
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
I'm happy to see 5 possible drivers with a chance for one of them to win the race on Sundays. There's no for sure winner which makes the races terrific start to finish. I believe that a driver when in his 40 s is not too old to keep driving.
Would it even be fair to compare the different eras from Fangio to Michael to the current drivers? I skimmed through the article you posted but I couldn't find a part that said it takes into account both of it. Regardless, for me, Michael Schumacher is the unapologetic GOAT of Formula 1 and it wouldn't matter to me if someone else comes along to win more races or championships but I'm a heavily biased guy so there's that.
"I've always believed that you should never, ever give up and you should always keep fighting even when there's only a slightest chance." - Michael Schumacher
The mathematical model does not just take into account the victories and so forth; if that was the case Lewis would be #1, but lo and behold, the GOAT for a certain web site troll, is just #11 (!)
Why is that is explained in the website, but in a nutsell it has to do with pretty much what has been said over the years, strong car equals strong performances.
Also, allow me to quote something again :
In short, the reason (IMO) that JMF and Alain are #1 and #2 is pretty the same with the reason Ham is #11, Just consider the conditions he got 5 WDC under - car, conditions, tracks etc.Conclusions
-The model generally thinks there is 1 dominant driver at any given time in F1 history, although occasionally there are crossover points or times where there isn’t such a driver.
-Drivers considered the best of their era are: Fangio, (Moss,) Clark, Lauda, Prost, (Senna), Schumacher, Alonso and Verstappen.
-Whilst it’s Alonso, rather than Hamilton or Vettel that is considered the best driver for the majority of the last 20 years, both #44 and #5 are thought of as well above average drivers. This is true both in their era and across F1 history.
-Verstappen is currently considered the best driver in F1, but his ranking within F1’s hierarchy of all-time greats is still fluctuating. It is also possible that another driver (e.g. Leclerc, Norris or Russell) could provide a consistent challenge in the coming years.
-The model considers the F1 grid to be getting stronger over time. This is true for the best drivers of the era and the top half of the grid as a whole.
-Not adjusting for this fact leaves Max Verstappen as the greatest F1 driver of all time.
-Adjusting for the grid increasing in strength leaves Fangio and Prost as the 2 best drivers given the era that they drove in.
Then you have Michael who (as has been said over and over) sure he had 2 dominant cars but apart from 2002 and 4, he did have to make the difference based on his skills.
Not to mention how he fought along with the rest of the team to build the team from 1996 on ,and then he did have 2 titles before that.
I could go on for Alonso too, but you get my drift :)
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
Lewis has 103 wins and so far 7WDCs along with a few other records. He's not that bad a driver. Ferrari sent out a great car this year , let's see how it goes for the rest of the season.
poor him
we saw that there is no any spanish lobby in the team, we should call it incompetence. the incompetence generally have hit leclerc, many times.
but this time, the incompetence hits carlos today. he just said oh my god.
i saw that mclaren technicians were watching that clownig show, they pity carlos' situation, even though we are their rivals.
DutchGP 2022 Sainz's pitstop and what happened.
https://twitter.com/forsainz/status/1566480661585702912
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1566465612561408001
Step 1: Have 4 wheels ready. The arrow points towards the man with the left rear wheel.
Step 2: Go behind the jackman towards the left rear. The arrow points towards the man with left rear wheel.
https://twitter.com/MsportXtra/statu...386753/photo/1
https://twitter.com/MsportXtra/statu...386753/photo/2
https://twitter.com/MsportXtra/statu...386753/photo/3
https://twitter.com/MsportXtra/statu...386753/photo/4
It's not how start but how you finish.
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