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    2022 French GP: Post Race Analysis

    You have to say, it was a pretty darn exciting race. It's too bad the camera director didn't show anything other than Leclerc vs Verstappen in the opening 15 laps or so, since there was quite a lot going on.

    Red Bull Racing might have secured the championships from this race, which is sad to say, and hopefully is not true. Verstappen was certainly fast, but you can't say was the fastest today. Once Leclerc crashed, he was in cruise control and another 25 points means he has a 63 point lead which will be nearly impossible to give up, especially since Red Bull's reliability is definitely better than Ferrari's. Perez struggled a lot this weekend, had a great quali lap, but again was miles off his teammate in the race. A huge mistake on the VSC restart cost him a podium. In any case, both Red Bull's finished ahead of Ferrari, which is big for the WCC.

    Mercedes had a marvelous race. Once again they brought updates, though in quali they didn't appear to make much difference. However in the race they were strong. The starts are always a very strong point of their car, which has been the case all season, and it proved valuable once again, putting Lewis into 3rd. Amazingly he was able to hold position over Perez despite being massively slower on the straights vs the Red Bull. Also it should be said that Hamilton has once again out performed Russell both in pace and in results. He seems to have found his groove. Russell completes the podium with a great drive himself. Perhaps his race pace and his ambitious pass attempt on Perez wasn't amazing, but his VSC restart was brilliant and deserving of the podium. It's arguable that Mercedes has been the best team in the race in maximizing their car's potential and then some. They seem to be able to push their car harder and longer over a race than the top teams, at least on a regular basis.

    Ferrari, what can we say except huge disappointment. Carlos started from the back due to reliability from Austria, but he put on a great show that we unfortunately didn't get to see much of thanks to the camera director. On the medium tires he was easily fastest car on track by a long ways, and worked his way passed Perez and had a legit shot at a podium, but Ferrari have this uncanny ability to make awful and senseless decisions all the time. Radioing to box while Carlos was in the middle of battling Perez is mind boggling. Deciding to then pit him later while he was still faster than a struggling Perez through away a chance at a podium for a guaranteed P5 at best. Why?? Lets not forget, Sainz's race was hurt with his terribly slow pitstop and horrible unsafe release that resulted in a 5 second penalty. Then there is Charles Leclerc who's speed rivals Verstappen, but another mistake threw it all away... again. We all heard him talk about the throttle pedal. Was this a factor in the crash? His own words doesn't suggest that, but Ferrari have been known to put the zipper on the lips if it means hurting their reputation. Sorry Ferrari, we all have eyes and ears and its obvious to EVERYONE that Ferrari continue to shoot themselves in the foot constantly. Take some accountability, Leclerc seems to have no issues pointing the finger at himself as he owns his mistakes, and tries to improve on them.

    Alpine have to be very happy with their performance at their home Grand Prix. Alonso was strong all week, but the car is a distant ways off as the 4th best car. P6 was the best he could do in that car. Ocon really came through in the race with P8, given he had his issues throughout the weekend.

    McLaren look to have made a step forward which is great to see. At least for this race, their performance was there or there abouts the same as Alpine which could make a fascinating battle as 4th best car till the end of the season. Lando performed as we can expect, but some credit to Ricciardo for at least getting a result. He was still a long way off his teammate, but he got some points which is good.

    Aston Martin have recently been near the bottom of the grid, so to get points is a good result. They will be very happy to have Stroll getting that final points position, though it really seemed like Vettel was the fastest driver, and perhaps with some team orders, maybe he could have had a shot at Ricciardo. Who knows.

    AlphaTauri can't be too happy. Gasly again failing to impressive, which is even worse when in front of his home crowd. Outqualified by Yuki once again, and just never made a big impression in the race. To be fair, the team have not made any big upgrades the entire season, but after his 2021 performance, we should expect more from Gasly. Yuki on the other hand has improved a lot, but getting collected by Ocon destroyed his hopes for a good result immediately.

    Williams starting to make some gains. They dramatically changed their sidepod philosophy and it seems to be a good decision. The car might not be good enough to fight for points yet, but at least in the hands of Albon, the car can fight with the Aston Martin, AlphaTauri, and Alfa Romeo.

    Alfa Romeo was non existent and it's baffling to why that is. We saw Zhou clip a Haas, and require a front wing change, but where was Bottas at any point in the race? A tough weekend for them.

    Haas had an even tougher race. They showed some impressive speed in qualifying, suggesting they could be a car capable of easy points. Instead, completely disaster. Their tire wear looked particularly bad, their race strategy didn't work out at all, and their drivers both found contact with other cars. No new boat for Guenther this week.

    Driver of the Day: Carlos Sainz. He drove his way up cleanly through the grid all the way to a potential podium. Couldn't ask anything more from him as a driver.

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    Yep, title fight is over. Frankly, it was over in Baku with the double DNF, but folks were deluding themselves that it was possible to still win both titles.

    There's an old saying: to be rich, do as the rich do. Ferrari should take a lesson from Red Bull in how to rebuild a team to championship level.

    The only thing I hope this Titanic of a race for Ferrari does is bring the team back down to earth, and help the build for 23'.

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    The throttle issue was when he was trying to engage reverse...but I guess you will believe what you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    The throttle issue was when he was trying to engage reverse...but I guess you will believe what you want.
    That's what I think too. But it was never confirmed on the broadcast. If it was confirmed, that's good info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    That's what I think too. But it was never confirmed on the broadcast. If it was confirmed, that's good info.
    Yeah, the throttle was in relation to Leclerc finding reverse after hitting the tire barrier.

    The throttle was in no way in relation to Leclerc losing the car in the corner.

    Driver error.
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    sainz got penalty and he came from last to third. and he passed perez with dead tyres.
    charles dnf
    sainz got penalty

    that makes room for mercedes to the podium

    if charles could have finished as first or second, it doesnt matter, and if carlos would not have gotten penalty he would end up between 1-3

    so that makes mercedes 4-5-6

    i dont think they can fight for podiums again. they are so slow compared to sainz and charles. but they look so fast compared to perez, not to max.

    RB is not that fast i think, we can beat them in the second part of the season

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasera View Post
    sainz got penalty and he came from last to third. and he passed perez with dead tyres.
    charles dnf
    sainz got penalty

    that makes room for mercedes to the podium

    if charles could finish first or second, it doesnt matter, and if carlos would not have gotten penalty he would end up between 1-3

    so that makes mercedes 4-5-6

    i dont think they can fight for podiums again. they are so slow compared to sainz and charles. but they look so fast compared to perez, not to max.

    RB is not that fast i think, we can beat them in the second part of the season

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasera View Post
    sainz got penalty and he came from last to third. and he passed perez with dead tyres.
    charles dnf
    sainz got penalty

    that makes room for mercedes to the podium

    if charles could have finished as first or second, it doesnt matter, and if carlos would not have gotten penalty he would end up between 1-3

    so that makes mercedes 4-5-6

    i dont think they can fight for podiums again. they are so slow compared to sainz and charles. but they look so fast compared to perez, not to max.

    RB is not that fast i think, we can beat them in the second part of the season
    Mercedes have been crap all season. Around 1 second off the pace. Yet they have 9 podiums so far.

    Ferrari have pretty much the best car since the first race, and they have 11 podiums.

    That alone speaks volumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Mercedes have been crap all season. Around 1 second off the pace. Yet they have 9 podiums so far.

    Ferrari have pretty much the best car since the first race, and they have 11 podiums.

    That alone speaks volumes.
    Yep, about Ferrari. They are throwing races and podiums away, in a foolish delusion they can compete with Red Bull at most places.

    Red Bull are a blue print for how a championship team down on its luck rebuilds to its former glory.

    1. After the pit stop that cost Riccardo the win in Monaco in 16', Red Bull cleaned up their pit crew, and now they have the fastest stops.
    2. After the engine issues with Renault in 18' and the crash between Max and Riccardo in Baku, clear team orders and a number 1 and number 2 driver were established, and a switch to Honda for the long haul was made.
    3. After the issues with straight line speed in 21' that almost cost them the WDC, Newey changed his design approach for more straight line speed.
    4. When the prospects of being without an engine supplier, or being stuck with an engine they couldn't develop emerged in 17' and 20', Red Bull made public threats to withdraw their 4 cars from F1 if a compromise couldn't be found.
    5. Horner is leading the fight against the bias at the FIA towards Mercedes lobbying.

    See where I'm going here? Whatever one might say about Horner and Marko, they are a serious team. They don't give anybody an inch, and aren't afraid to fire people, hurt peoples feelings, take development risks, change their culture, and threaten the FIA with their participation.

    If Ferrari and Binotto want such success, they must follow Red Bull's example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Mercedes have been crap all season. Around 1 second off the pace. Yet they have 9 podiums so far.

    Ferrari have pretty much the best car since the first race, and they have 11 podiums.

    That alone speaks volumes.
    Because Merc has always had a strong pit wall and good reliability. Their car might be a bit of a dud this year but it won’t be in 2023. They will be battling RBR for wins next year while Binotto will still be giving us excuses as to how they are about they are working on improving reliability.

    Ugh. It’s the same song and dance year after year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    Mercedes have been crap all season. Around 1 second off the pace. Yet they have 9 podiums so far.

    Ferrari have pretty much the best car since the first race, and they have 11 podiums.

    That alone speaks volumes.
    Leclerc has 16 poles in total...............and he's only won 4.....albeit from DNF's, bad pit strategy or driver error or a combination of the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Leclerc has 16 poles in total...............and he's only won 4.....albeit from DNF's, bad pit strategy or driver error or a combination of the two.
    It's actually an appalling stat. Look how many wins Schumacher had compared to pole positions. Of course form 03 to 06 there was qualifying with fuel, so poles weren't as easy with a great car. But the point is, he showed time and time again that he didn't have to have the outright fastest car to get wins.

    What's crazy about Leclerc to me is in wheel to wheel racing he has shown some incredibly high IQ moves, killer pace, yet extremely fair and clean. The majority of his mistakes are when he is all by himself.

    It sucks that there is so little confidence for Ferrari to win, even with the best car because of the relatively high probability of at least one of the 3 things you mentioned. Reliability DNF, bad pitstop/strategy, driver error.

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    Similarities to Sebastian vettal out in front all alone in many races and spins out, hits the barriers etc does this have a familiar sound, vettal had all his issues at ferrari, is it the pressure the environment, there must be something going on because like seb Charles is watching his Maiden WDC evaporate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paolo lalli View Post
    Similarities to Sebastian vettal out in front all alone in many races and spins out, hits the barriers etc does this have a familiar sound, vettal had all his issues at ferrari, is it the pressure the environment, there must be something going on because like seb Charles is watching his Maiden WDC evaporate.
    Fernando, on the other hand, fought for championships with an inferior Ferrari. You have to be strong to withstand the pressure

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    We need to hire someone to pour some sugar on Max’s fuel tank in order for us to catch up.
    Jokes aside, the team management is amateur at best.

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    We effed it up. This whole season. It should have been easy for us. We made it easy for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    We effed it up. This whole season. It should have been easy for us. We made it easy for them.
    Can’t say it better.

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    Charles and Carlos driving for "Ferrari!" their dream come true team to be with. Crashstappen at the time came up to where he is and his current team driving to win at at all costs. Our two drivers need to do the same ; drive to win at all costs like Max did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    Charles and Carlos driving for "Ferrari!" their dream come true team to be with. Crashstappen at the time came up to where he is and his current team driving to win at at all costs. Our two drivers need to do the same ; drive to win at all costs like Max did.
    What was Charles doing when he spun out? Cruising around and enjoying a beverage?

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    Binotto probably said to Charles Don't spin out , take it easy and lose anyway , think about 2023 . Drive to win . Finish a loser after giving it your all is at least going to keep fans watching an actual race. Take it easy out there your not going to win anyway is Bonitto's mentality. Watching Carlos come up from the back was worth watching till the end of the race. Every next race this season could well be a Ferrari win 1,2!!! Send Binotto home before every race!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    It's actually an appalling stat. Look how many wins Schumacher had compared to pole positions. Of course form 03 to 06 there was qualifying with fuel, so poles weren't as easy with a great car. But the point is, he showed time and time again that he didn't have to have the outright fastest car to get wins.

    What's crazy about Leclerc to me is in wheel to wheel racing he has shown some incredibly high IQ moves, killer pace, yet extremely fair and clean. The majority of his mistakes are when he is all by himself.

    It sucks that there is so little confidence for Ferrari to win, even with the best car because of the relatively high probability of at least one of the 3 things you mentioned. Reliability DNF, bad pitstop/strategy, driver error.
    Leclerc has made ONLY 2 mistakes this year.
    He is the absolute least of Ferrari's problem.
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    We need mercedes to join the fight in hungry, best result is to have max finish behind mercedes with a ferrari 1 and 2.that would be a great cheer up for Charles,all going to plan.As always expect the unexpected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    We effed it up. This whole season. It should have been easy for us. We made it easy for them.
    I don't agree. There are still 10 races to go. Binotto is bullish about winning races this year and so am I. Let's believe in the team
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    Quote Originally Posted by paolo lalli View Post
    We need mercedes to join the fight in hungry, best result is to have max finish behind mercedes with a ferrari 1 and 2.that would be a great cheer up for Charles,all going to plan.As always expect the unexpected.
    Mercedes should never win a race ever again, nor be gifted podiums. They destroyed F1 and deserve nothing but pain and suffering. If this crooked “safety” rule change goes through that will be the final nail in the coffin.

    I don’t care if Merc getting involved in races helps us battle Red Bull; they deserve nothing but fighting for p19-p20. The whole organization makes me sick. End/
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    I think you should be concerned about what’s happening at Ferrari rather than focusing on Mercedes. If Ferrari don’t win the championships this year with the outright fastest car I don’t see them winning anything until 2026 when Formula 1 resets. Already 4 long years have passed since they threw away another opportunity in 2018. 2000 - 2004 really was the exception rather than the rule. Disappointing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paolo lalli View Post
    Similarities to Sebastian vettal out in front all alone in many races and spins out, hits the barriers etc does this have a familiar sound, vettal had all his issues at ferrari, is it the pressure the environment, there must be something going on because like seb Charles is watching his Maiden WDC evaporate.
    I think a true racer just shuts off everything once he wears the helmet. Other than strategy, the racer is all by himself.
    Even in strategy, we have seen CS insisting the team to think differently whereas CL is not very firm over radio (based on whatever is aired live) when it comes to strategy.

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