FORMULA 1 PIRELLI GRAN PREMIO D’ITALIA 2022 - Race Thread

[jgonzalesm6]

Yeah F1 does not have them.....mind you F1 races in the wet and not sit in the pits unlike some other motorsports.

With regards to F1 and other motorsports................................that's dependent on the amount of rain on the track. It's all relative with regards to rain on the track.

[RossTheBoss]

Yeah F1 does not have them.....mind you F1 races in the wet and not sit in the pits unlike some other motorsports.

You can't race in the wet on ovals, and Indycar, NASCAR, IMSA, Super GT, etc, all race in the wet on road courses.

Yeah, you strike me as someone that watches
nothing outside F1.

[ferrari1.8t]

So depressing.

[Cheeseman]

Ever heard of a tow truck? Every racing series uses them and seldom ever use big cranes to move a car, even though they bring those, too.

Car was stuck in gear so towing it wouldn't have worked

[racingbradley]

well i suppose we came out of that better than I feared. I thought we might have been beaten by both Mercs.
Shame Carlos didnt get 3rd. He drove a great race and deserved better.

[nani_s23]

Why do you hate Sainz so much? Of all the people you choose to scapegoat a driver lol? All good drivers can adjust. Are you even a ferrari fan or just someone like brembo.

The team's policy towards leclerc should be the least of our worries.

It’s not hate. I mean he can’t or doesn’t have pace to match Max & Leclerc. You can’t win a title with a slower driver. History tells the same. If you are the best, then beat Leclerc & Max on the track, earn it. That’s the only chance for Saniz.

I don’t understand this two driver philosophy from Binotto too.

It’s clear & evident Msc/Ferrari, Vettel /RB Ham/Merc & now Max/RB won title…. not with two drivers.

[ferrari1.8t]

Even Horner, who might of suffered most from a red flag is saying it should have been red flagged.

[Hornet]

We got unlucky how the race ended, but safety car and red flags are not there to spice the race up.
We can't criticize safety procedure and want things done differently only when it suite us.

We didnt put a foot wrong today, we just wasn't fast enough.
We need to improve our mid season development IMO

[Greig]

Even Horner, who might of suffered most from a red flag is saying it should have been red flagged.

LOL he would not say that if his titles were at risk.

[ferrari1.8t]

LOL he would not say that if his titles were at risk.

This is true.

[RossTheBoss]

Even Horner, who might of suffered most from a red flag is saying it should have been red flagged.

I doubt Leclerc could've gotten by Max, but either way the ending was an absolute farce.

And what's worse is how it took forever for the SC to pick up Max, which burned even more time for packing up and waiving by the back markers.

All other racing series have written procedures for how they'll try and secure a green flag finish. All except F1.

[tifosi1993]

Why do you hate Sainz so much? Of all the people you choose to scapegoat a driver lol? All good drivers can adjust. Are you even a ferrari fan or just someone like brembo.

The team's policy towards leclerc should be the least of our worries.

Emotional post.

[TTRSMAD]

It's very frustrating to see Ferrari not keeping up with the Red Bull development. The Red Bull ran in Monza with more downforce and where just as fast down the straights. The Ferrari has more peak performance but the Red Bull as a wider window of performance. Since the beginning of the season, Red Bull does not have a problem with the porpoising and it must be related to that.

[RossTheBoss]

It’s not hate. I mean he can’t or doesn’t have pace to match Max & Leclerc. You can’t win a title with a slower driver. History tells the same. If you are the best, then beat Leclerc & Max on the track, earn it. That’s the only chance for Saniz.

I don’t understand this two driver philosophy from Binotto too.

It’s clear & evident Msc/Ferrari, Vettel /RB Ham/Merc & now Max/RB won title…. not with two drivers.

History shows this to be the case. Alonso got the preferred concept at Renault as well.

McLaren and Williams tried to make the 2 driver policy work. Red Bull tried it for awhile. It doesn't work if you want the driver who you know is the better talent to win lots of races. The only reason Rosberg-Hamilton and Senna-Prost kinda sorta worked was because of how dominant the car was from the get-go, and we all know how they ended after a few seasons.

[ferrari1.8t]

I doubt Leclerc could've gotten by Max, but either way the ending was an absolute farce.

And what's worse is how it took forever for the SC to pick up Max, which burned even more time for packing up and waiving by the back markers.

All other racing series have written procedures for how they'll try and secure a green flag finish. All except F1.

Ideally I would have liked us to win, and maybe even a 1-2 or 1-3 with a restart. But that doesn’t matter, what matters is delivering good racing to the fans. Even if Verstappen still won, it would have been better than a safety car end…

[tifosi1993]

Most championship winning cars post 1995 are understeery in nature. Being understeery is an indication of having high downforce level and for cars which already have a competitive engine, the best possible car is the one that has the downforce level to match it or else you end up with SF90 2.0.

Not true. Schumi, Alonso etc were legendary at controlling the oversteer. Both of them liked a car with sharp turn in.

The current gen cars are oversteery in nature due to the loss of downforce from the wings. They have quite a bit sharp turn in. That's why Charles is so good with it. But recently he is "struggling" with the understeery balance.

[RossTheBoss]

It's very frustrating to see Ferrari not keeping up with the Red Bull development. The Red Bull ran in Monza with more downforce and where just as fast down the straights. The Ferrari has more peak performance but the Red Bull as a wider window of performance. Since the beginning of the season, Red Bull does not have a problem with the porpoising and it must be related to that.

The porpoising wears out the tires, it's a simple as that. Nobody is getting the tire life of Red Bull, because RB don't have their car still shaking at top speed.

To truly eliminate porpoising, the teams will need real life testing for different solutions that fit their car, which ain't happening until 23', as I feared. It's another reason why the ban on in season testing is not only stupid, but dangerous in that it holds back a teams ability to make their cars safer in shorter time spans.

[jgonzalesm6]

Not true. Schumi, Alonso etc were legendary at controlling the oversteer. Both of them liked a car with sharp turn in.

The current gen cars are oversteery in nature due to the loss of downforce from the wings. They have quite a bit sharp turn in. That's why Charles is so good with it. But recently he is "struggling" with the understeery balance.

Max likes his car with "alot of front end" as opposed to Checo.......so yeah, Schumi and Alonso were quite the same.

[Cheeseman]

LOL he would not say that if his titles were at risk.

Yeah he wasn't that much in favour of a red flag in Abu Dhabi

[tifosi1993]

Max likes his car with "alot of front end" as opposed to Checo.......so yeah, Schumi and Alonso were quite the same.

And Red Bull rightfully built and developed the car around him. Perez, like Sainz, will never ever win a title against Charles and Max. So it's pointless to wait for him to get comfortable.

[RossTheBoss]

One thing that Ferrari don't do every pre-season testing that I just don't understand, is bring a b-car concept. Red Bull and Mercedes always bring them, and it always does them good.

[RossTheBoss]

And Red Bull rightfully built and developed the car around him. Perez, like Sainz, will never ever win a title against Charles and Max. So it's pointless to wait for him to get comfortable.

This ^

[Greig]

One thing that Ferrari don't do every pre-season testing that I just don't understand, is bring a b-car concept. Red Bull and Mercedes always bring them, and it always does them good.

LOL what....

[WS6TransAm01]

LOL he would not say that if his titles were at risk.

But, because he is an effective TP his team is in the position to throw Ferrari a bone and still not risk losing either championships.

That’s the difference between effective and impotent team leaders.

Even Merc still being slow have advanced a ton during the year with constant upgrades because Wolfe is a beast.

[jgonzalesm6]

Monaco is the exemption at removing cars off the grid with static cranes strewn all over the track.....and they do it quite fast.

[stasera]

I don't understand that why we did two pit-stop in a circut like monza

[ferrari1.8t]

I don't understand that why we did two pit-stop in a circut like monza

Strategy was fine, we had no pace to match Verstappen. We had to try something. If we didn’t pit under the VSC and Verstappen had caught and passed us a few laps later everyone would be saying we should have pitted.

[BAT340]

Car was stuck in gear so towing it wouldn't have worked

Tow it by the rear tires......

[ntukza]

Red Bull are unstoppable. No team on the paddock right now has what it takes to beat them. We'll done Ferrari for P2 and P4. Pretty much the best we could have done.

[stefa]

Yeah F1 does not have them.....mind you F1 races in the wet and not sit in the pits unlike some other motorsports.

To be honest for years now when it is raining they are behind SC. And back in the time, they would race in same conditions