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    SF 2023 Challenger Discussion Thread

    Well, compared to the '22 season - the SF is definitely looking to step up its game.
    Whether we will all address all the flaws of 2022 is yet to be seen.

    But, as a Tifoso I keep faith again in our team who we all share a love/hate relationship with.

    Fuerza Ferrari!

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    Spark plug ignition issue identified and fixed: Ferrari improves power unit reliability in 2023

    Spark plug ignition issue was identified and fixed

    LINK: https://scuderiafans.com/spark-plug-...ility-in-2023/

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    It is time to try something completely new-winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifoso View Post
    It is time to try something completely new-winning.
    I’m totally with you on this one….let’s try some winning, shall we
    Soooooooo glad 2022 is over, a season that started so well but massive decline after TD39....Hopefully 2023 will bring us tifosi something to smile about.

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    Hold on to your girdles ladies, and wait mid-season of 2023 before we all get ahead of ourselves.

    Remember, it's not how you start but how you finish.

    I'm sure the car will be beautiful...yet again....and Ferrari will win several GP's on the opening of the season (P1-P2 hopefully).

    All of us have been thru this type of merry-go-round before..........some more than others...season after season.
    It's not how start but how you finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6 View Post
    Hold on to your girdles ladies, and wait mid-season of 2023 before we all get ahead of ourselves.

    Remember, it's not how you start but how you finish.

    I'm sure the car will be beautiful...yet again....and Ferrari will win several GP's on the opening of the season (P1-P2 hopefully).

    All of us have been thru this type of merry-go-round before..........some more than others...season after season.
    Not sure my blood pressure can stand another merry-go-round season, it's been too frequent for this old tifoso, and I am not a lady and don't wear a girdle.

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    I'll be happy if we're properly 'in the mix' for wins all season, even if we have to share that nice position with a couple of other teams.
    Trying to be less angry..

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    so the resignation of binotto will hurt us in terms of the development of this car? guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasera View Post
    so the resignation of binotto will hurt us in terms of the development of this car? guys?
    I would think that most of the ground work on the 2023 car is already done when you consider they have to be testing in 86 days.

    The major strokes have already been painted.

    As for in-season development; that has been Ferrari's Achilles Heel long before Binotto was TP so I am not sure that weakness will change either way just because he has left. I hope I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stasera View Post
    so the resignation of binotto will hurt us in terms of the development of this car? guys?
    Rory Byrne is still there.

    And rumours are that Simone Resta will return to Ferrari from Haas.

    Also, if Vasseur is going to be the next TP, he is at least familiar dealing with Ferrari, their personnel, and of course Leclerc.
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    The SF-75 has been designed to work well close to the ground
    Can they adapt it and hope to have the best formula with the 2023 rules?
    Technically, it seems unlikely
    The precocious focus on the 2023 car may also have been necessary to radically change the aero concept
    And Simone does not bring a different experience, since the Hass copied the SF75
    We will not have the answers quickly and I already see the contradictory rumours make much talk, but with litle interest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilles View Post
    The SF-75 has been designed to work well close to the ground
    Can they adapt it and hope to have the best formula with the 2023 rules?
    Technically, it seems unlikely
    The precocious focus on the 2023 car may also have been necessary to radically change the aero concept
    And Simone does not bring a different experience, since the Hass copied the SF75
    We will not have the answers quickly and I already see the contradictory rumours make much talk, but with litle interest
    Hello Gilles!

    What do you think of Simone Resta? Is he any good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothlessrage* View Post
    Hello Gilles!

    What do you think of Simone Resta? Is he any good?
    Hi mate!

    Hard to say
    He did a good job with Byrne, maybe in 2017/18, I can’t remember exactly
    We can’t say he pushed Alfa or Hass to the top, but things need more time than he had, also these are small teams
    There already are capable people in the factory, he must manage them in the right way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilles View Post
    Hi mate!

    Hard to say
    He did a good job with Byrne, maybe in 2017/18, I can’t remember exactly
    We can’t say he pushed Alfa or Hass to the top, but things need more time than he had, also these are small teams
    There already are capable people in the factory, he must manage them in the right way
    Oh okay,
    Unfortunately, we will just have to wait and see.

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    Well according to Turrini We have lost 30 HP after the engine Downtune at SPA GP.

    Assuming we have done that because of reliability issues on Engine/ERS

    30 HP is a lot. And the telemetry kinda confirms that the acceleration advantage disappeared after summer break.

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    Enzo always said HP is the most important subject as far as a wining can goes. The more the better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brembo View Post
    Enzo always said HP is the most important subject as far as a wining can goes. The more the better!
    And he was wrong. Aerodynamics are far more important. However, a team with a huge power advantage can throw on loads of dirty downforce and still be fast in a straight line.

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    Ferrari 675: new TJI system on the PU, flexible wings, aero efficiency, and RB18 style bottom

    Link: https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2...refresh_ce=306

    AERO UPDATES:

    According to the information collected by Formula One Technical Analysis, the technicians within GES strongly believe in the design approach studied for the new regulatory body, apparently, they have finely understood where and how to intervene to correct the atavistic defects of the F1-75.

    The objective remains the same: to " clean" the flows that envelop the single-seater and, consequently, reduce the drag generated by the red while maintaining the same load points. To put this provision into practice, work was done on managing the turbulence that is created around the front tires. Adrian Newey led the way in this area, as the very smooth profile of the RB18 speaker limited the vertical thrust peak. This feature reduced bottom sag in that area. In this way the tedious phenomenon of porpoising has been reduced, allowing the adoption of heights from the ground established by the project.

    The Maranello specialists studied the Red Bull philosophy in depth, with the clear intention of adapting it and making it effective on their own car. Let's talk about the transition between the back and the diffuser which provides for a less angular connection. This solution avoids a "depressive peak" which, as a result, minimizes the infamous and somewhat harmful aerodynamic hopping, reducing it to a "minor nuisance".

    PU UPDATES

    Reliability is a concern that urgently needed a remedy. In fact, in the middle of the championship, the team from Modena was forced to weaken the power unit, causing evident deficits in performance. Fortunately, taking advantage of the clause relating to the aforementioned reliability, various interventions on the endothermic will guarantee a significant leap in quality in view of the 2023 world championship. The triggering cause of engine troubles is "reasoned" in the pre-combustion chamber. The problem identified concerns the heat emission peak which is recorded right in the initial phase inside the pre-chamber, a context to be avoided as it produces strong thermal and mechanical stresses. The internal combustion part of the PU 2023 will therefore attenuate this peak to ensure a natural evolution over time. The engineers worked on ignition retardation to flatten the heat curve. To carry out this operation, in addition to intervening in the atomization of the mixture, an attempt was made to make the jet inside the chamber more turbulent. This system has already been developed in recent years when technical partner Mahle supplied Ferrari with the TJI (Turbulent Jet Ignition) system.

    We understand that the mechanism has been refined in recent months, now able to generate a highly turbulent flow capable of filling the chamber in the best possible way. The factor that favors self-ignition in different points of the combustion chamber and, automatically, increases the thrust on the piston, eliminating the problems suffered during 2022.

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    Soooooooo glad 2022 is over, a season that started so well but massive decline after TD39....Hopefully 2023 will bring us tifosi something to smile about.

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    looks like we may have got rid of the black livery.


    Forza Jules

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    Quote Originally Posted by racingbradley View Post
    looks like we may have got rid of the black livery.
    My name is still on the car!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6TransAm01 View Post
    I would think that most of the ground work on the 2023 car is already done when you consider they have to be testing in 86 days.

    The major strokes have already been painted.

    As for in-season development; that has been Ferrari's Achilles Heel long before Binotto was TP so I am not sure that weakness will change either way just because he has left. I hope I'm wrong.
    Like everyone. I read this paint story some time ago
    Am i alone to find that a bit too early to be truth?

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    675: great work on aerodynamics and engine. Revealed issue on reinforced PU that caused failures and required significant correction. Lots of 2022 budget diverted to 2023 frame, suspension and front axle

    @formu1a_uno

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    Frédéric Vasseur will become the new Team Principal of Scuderia Ferrari! The decision was made in Maranello. The announcement is expected no later than the end of this year 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilles View Post
    The SF-75 has been designed to work well close to the ground
    Can they adapt it and hope to have the best formula with the 2023 rules?
    Technically, it seems unlikely
    The precocious focus on the 2023 car may also have been necessary to radically change the aero concept
    And Simone does not bring a different experience, since the Hass copied the SF75
    We will not have the answers quickly and I already see the contradictory rumours make much talk, but with litle interest
    My post is a little too afirmative
    What I was trying to say is that it seems to me that the SF-75 was probably more than the other cars, limited in its ability to operate with high ground clearance and probably less adaptable. As a result, they will need to at least review the operating philosophy of the floor which, in terms of experience and budget, provides a advantage to the others.
    Byrne can of course work miracles, but Mercedes and RB will not be inactive
    I really hope to see the top 3 teams to fight, with a superior Ferrari engine to match any RB advantage elsewhere
    Forza Charles

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Frédéric Vasseur will become the new Team Principal of Scuderia Ferrari! The decision was made in Maranello. The announcement is expected no later than the end of this year 2022.
    Fine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nani_s23 View Post
    Frédéric Vasseur will become the new Team Principal of Scuderia Ferrari! The decision was made in Maranello. The announcement is expected no later than the end of this year 2022.
    Could you kindly share the source from where it is confirmed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilles View Post
    My post is a little too afirmative
    What I was trying to say is that it seems to me that the SF-75 was probably more than the other cars, limited in its ability to operate with high ground clearance and probably less adaptable. As a result, they will need to at least review the operating philosophy of the floor which, in terms of experience and budget, provides a advantage to the others.
    Byrne can of course work miracles, but Mercedes and RB will not be inactive
    I really hope to see the top 3 teams to fight, with a superior Ferrari engine to match any RB advantage elsewhere
    Forza Charles
    Fuerza Ferrari!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toothlessrage* View Post
    Could you kindly share the source from where it is confirmed?
    https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-vass...favorit-51960/
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