SF23 Discussion Thread

**Brembo** · 7th March 2023, 18:38

Binotto would have had Charles' car better ready for the race! Get rid of Fred ASAP !

**WS6TransAm01** · 8th March 2023, 12:23

https://youtu.be/Pxw_O2ZLH8M

Year in, year out. 15 years on, Ferrari can't figure out how to built a car. It's beyond sad.

**Silent Bob** · 8th March 2023, 14:18

Who do we fire now?

**FerrariF60** · 8th March 2023, 14:21

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

Who do we fire now?

we already fired the guy that was responsible for the sf23....Bin outo is already out.

**Silent Bob** · 8th March 2023, 14:31

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

we already fired the guy that was responsible for the sf23....Bin outo is already out.

But he was just the TD. Surely the chassis guy and the aero guy should go. Even the powertrain department should lose someone. Only the strategy guys were on the ball.
It's obvious this whole team is rotten and can't build a car for the life of any of them. Probably we should just buy an AMR23 and paint it red.
Get rid of Carlos, he's too slow, Charles wrecks too many cars.
Bring in some new talent, maybe some English drivers, engineers, carpenters, and electricians. they'll change everything around.

**ferrari1.8t** · 8th March 2023, 14:51

My tinfoil hat is on, over 6000 km in testing over the 3 teams running our engines. Plus whatever KM’s we did on our own dyno during the winter. Zero reliability issues.

First race of the year, issues arise only on Leclerc’s car. It’s been noted that it was a human error with wiring. Is someone within the team sabotaging Leclerc? Seems outrageous, but who know anymore.

Anyway, still doesn’t account for our garbage car that has no pace and eats it’s tires. Ugh. So frustrating.

**JPZ** · 8th March 2023, 16:02

Originally Posted by WS6TransAm01

[video]https://youtu.be/Pxw_O2ZLH8M[/url]

Year in, year out. 15 years on, Ferrari can't figure out how to built a car. It's beyond sad.

The previous 'record' was 16 years before winning another Constructors Championship.

From winning in 1983 to again in 1999.

**tifosi1993** · 8th March 2023, 17:39

Calm down people. One bad race doesn't mean the end of story. Ferrari scored 46 points at last year's first GP and we all how that year turned out.

If no improvement on tyre wear is made by the Spanish GP, then sure, the knives, pans and whatnot can come out. But until then, sit back and relax. Plenty of speed is left in this car.

**FerrariF60** · 8th March 2023, 17:44

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Calm down people. One bad race doesn't mean the end of story. Ferrari scored 46 points at last year's first GP and we all how that year turned out.

If no improvement on tyre wear is made by the Spanish GP, then sure, the knives, pans and whatnot can come out. But until then, sit back and relax. Plenty of speed is left in this car.

43....they scored 43 points last year in bahrain; 25+18, NOT 46

**tifosi1993** · 8th March 2023, 17:49

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

43....they scored 43 points last year in bahrain; 25+18, NOT 46

Oops.

It's 44 actually. 26+18. Charles had the fastest lap.

**Silent Bob** · 8th March 2023, 18:15

Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t

My tinfoil hat is on, over 6000 km in testing over the 3 teams running our engines. Plus whatever KM’s we did on our own dyno during the winter. Zero reliability issues.

First race of the year, issues arise only on Leclerc’s car. It’s been noted that it was a human error with wiring. Is someone within the team sabotaging Leclerc? Seems outrageous, but who know anymore.

Anyway, still doesn’t account for our garbage car that has no pace and eats it’s tires. Ugh. So frustrating.

I would wait to see how it does in the next few races. Using a car with low DF settings on a track that should be at least medium DF and has a very abrasive surface, could mean that this was a track specific occurrence. Maybe let's see how it does in a couple of weeks.

**Ferrari312T4** · 8th March 2023, 20:34

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

I would wait to see how it does in the next few races. Using a car with low DF settings on a track that should be at least medium DF and has a very abrasive surface, could mean that this was a track specific occurrence. Maybe let's see how it does in a couple of weeks.

Indeed I think there's potential to be unlocked. Let's see in a few races. Would love to see some fast improvements. And have Merc duke it out with AM. While we are battling RBR .

**Aziz** · 9th March 2023, 10:00

Originally Posted by Ferrari312T4

Indeed I think there's potential to be unlocked. Let's see in a few races. Would love to see some fast improvements. And have Merc duke it out with AM. While we are battling RBR .

will the new FW and RW be ready for Saudi?

**tpe** · 9th March 2023, 11:27

Let's get clear about something.
F23 is mediocre. Build quality is zero, tyre managment awful, lack downforce.
RB with their "moving floor" have the ad to beat for the years to come. Unless some one builds a better suspension and better aero from the floor, they will stay unbeaten.

**FerrariF60** · 9th March 2023, 12:59

Originally Posted by tpe

Let's get clear about something.
F23 is mediocre. Build quality is zero, tyre managment awful, lack downforce.
RB with their "moving floor" have the ad to beat for the years to come. Unless some one builds a better suspension and better aero from the floor, they will stay unbeaten.

waht do you mean by RB and their "moving floor" can you elaborate on that??

**roddick_andy** · 9th March 2023, 14:28

https://twitter.com/ofmattia/status/...wUThxH7cHtkSFA

David Sanchez, the chief engineer of vehicle concept, has resigned and will leave Ferrari after more than 10 years.

**brucewayne** · 9th March 2023, 14:31

Originally Posted by roddick_andy

https://twitter.com/ofmattia/status/...wUThxH7cHtkSFA

David Sanchez, the chief engineer of vehicle concept, has resigned and will leave Ferrari after more than 10 years.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1...este/10441764/

Didn't expect that

**roddick_andy** · 9th March 2023, 14:55

Originally Posted by brucewayne

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1...este/10441764/

Didn't expect that

Apparently going to Mclaren..

**Tony** · 9th March 2023, 15:01

If he already has a destination, then it seems clear it was his decision. He may not have been happy seeing Binotto leave.

**FerrariF60** · 9th March 2023, 15:04

Originally Posted by roddick_andy

https://twitter.com/ofmattia/status/...wUThxH7cHtkSFA

David Sanchez, the chief engineer of vehicle concept, has resigned and will leave Ferrari after more than 10 years.

so wheels are starting to fall off already

**tpe** · 9th March 2023, 15:49

Amazing!
But if the head of the vehicle design/performance/aero/whatever leaves at the start of the season, if he actually left and was not walked to the exit, I believe it's not good.

**tpe** · 9th March 2023, 15:53

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

waht do you mean by RB and their "moving floor" can you elaborate on that??

There is a discussion about the RB's floor. Some think that the floor acts as a huge anti-roll bar others that it flexes. This comes from the push-rod connection of the rear-suspension. It is on the floor and some think that either the floor is a huge anti-roll bar, or that the suspension movement flexes the floor. This way the car has a stable platform under all the conditions, thus it has this huge performance advantage. Not because it has the highest downforce values, but because it's stable.

**WS6TransAm01** · 9th March 2023, 16:03

Originally Posted by brucewayne

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1...este/10441764/

Didn't expect that

Originally Posted by roddick_andy

Apparently going to Mclaren..

Im guessing he doesn't want to live in Italy, which is the reason Ferrari could never get Newey.

**PURE PASSION** · 9th March 2023, 16:07

Ok it's obvious know that the team is falling apart. For various reasons (mostly being the only team not have its base in England and the stressful atmosphere from the team itself and the country) we have become an undesirable team for technicians/ mechanics. Unfortunately we will be nowhere for many many years!!!!!

**RossTheBoss** · 9th March 2023, 16:17

I seriously doubt Sanchez wanted to leave.

My guess is there was an understanding at Ferrari that if SF-23 failed to address last years design issues, heads would roll at the technical department. It's been clear since testing that Ferrari suspect they have fundamental design flaws that will either take half a season to catch up to RBR, if they catch up at all. You could see it on the teams faces.

Like Binotto before him, Sanchez is being given the dignity to say he resigned.

**tifosi1993** · 9th March 2023, 16:38

Originally Posted by roddick_andy

https://twitter.com/ofmattia/status/...wUThxH7cHtkSFA

David Sanchez, the chief engineer of vehicle concept, has resigned and will leave Ferrari after more than 10 years.

Not a positive news.

**wisepie** · 9th March 2023, 16:44

There's no smoke without fire, is he the first of many to desert the sinking ship or was he shown the exit? Will we ever know the truth, but it's still bad news right at the start of the season.

**ntukza** · 9th March 2023, 16:59

The resignation of Sanchez can only mean that the SF23 is a disaster. That is surely the most probable reason for a long-standing senior engineer to leave at the beginning of a season.