2023 Bahrain Grand Prix - Race Thread

**jgonzalesm6** · 5th March 2023, 16:36

Originally Posted by nani_s23

Ferrari should come out of their political world & hire good tech dept, else they will never win a title.

They gave away 2 years (2020 & 2021) to get a head start in 2022. But no result.

As I said last year during 2nd half of season by looking at Max dominance it seems like RB era. It will continue till 2026. Mark my words.

They are the only team and engine supplier not using the split-turbo design. The car and engine need a complete overhaul.

**stefa** · 5th March 2023, 16:36

This is going to be walk in the park for MV i his way to 3rd WDC

**FerrariF60** · 5th March 2023, 16:37

Originally Posted by stefa

This is going to be walk in the park for MV i his way to 3rd WDC

Yep, Ferrari and Co. has absolutely no answer to Max/red bull

**tifosi1993** · 5th March 2023, 16:38

Originally Posted by brucewayne

Sainz got slapped by Charles again today, pretty much like Perez by Max. And Perez at least drove 20+ laps behind Charles. Not sure why Sainz always gets excused by fans.

Cause he thinks he can with the title and his father likes to play political games.

No other team will ever waste resources by developing the car to their slower and 2nd driver's liking. Sainz's "importance" at Ferrari is totally unjustified.

**brucewayne** · 5th March 2023, 16:39

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

They are the only team and engine supplier not using the split-turbo design. The car and engine need a complete overhaul.

This is the engine until 2026. There is no way around that. Maybe we never will recover after TD39.

**jgonzalesm6** · 5th March 2023, 16:39

Alonso Driver of the Day gets my vote.

**alfaromeo** · 5th March 2023, 16:40

At Ferrari, they are changing personnel, but now it is really obviously wrong. Ferrari is at the forefront of the engine department, but they lost an engine in the first race. I don't believe a word anymore, I promise 30 more horses, the car is 1 second faster than last year's speed freak, etc.... but they are totally incompetent and 30 seconds in a match is just too much. Let's look at Aston Martin where they were last year and now before Ferrari. Ferrari obviously needs more foreign engineers with this team they have no chance, call binotta back as head of the technical department. Today's race shows the unreliability of the powertrain and very very poor driving in the slow corners. The speed on the straight is ok, but in the slow parts of the corners they are very bad.

**JacKy** · 5th March 2023, 16:40

CS lost 15 Second to Alonso over 20 lap stint.

**tifosi1993** · 5th March 2023, 16:40

But enough of it. My anger or frustrations will not change anything. I'm switching off for today.

**TTRSMAD** · 5th March 2023, 16:41

It as to do how the Red Bull generates downforce with their floor. It is not for nothing the Red Bull didn't have porpoising last year. This is Blown diffuser saga all over again. Newey is top when in comes to the floor downforce.

**MSC Fan** · 5th March 2023, 16:42

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

What impressive things he had done at the Mclaren? Won races like Gasly or Ocon? Put that car on pole like Norris?

And whether it's tractor or a rocket ship, Charles is always faster. Stop sugarcoating Sainz's limitations. Out of the top 3 teams, he's the weakest number 2.

He destroyed Norris in 2019 and beat him 2020 despite having a lot more bad luck. Gasly's win was out of pure luck as was Ocon's to a certain extent. The 2021 car also had far higher highs than 2019 and 2020, let's not forget that.

If you go back to the older threads in this very forum itself, you will find opinions claiming that he was the best choice for a #2 driver with a few comments preferring Ricciardo and considering how the latter got owned, that isn't even an argument anymore.

You are right about him being the worst #2 driver in the top 3 teams and Charles being faster though. The latter wasn't ever an argument.

**nani_s23** · 5th March 2023, 16:43

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

They are the only team and engine supplier not using the split-turbo design. The car and engine need a complete overhaul.

With this tech dept, they will not win. I’m 100% sure.

**nani_s23** · 5th March 2023, 16:44

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

They are the only team and engine supplier not using the split-turbo design. The car and engine need a complete overhaul.

With this tech dept, they will not win. I’m 100% sure.

**brucewayne** · 5th March 2023, 16:44

F1 sucks at the moment. One team is out of reach, not sure how to fix this. TD39 only helped RB, not sure whether FIA even understands what they created.

**paneristi** · 5th March 2023, 16:45

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

At Ferrari, they are changing personnel, but now it is really obviously wrong. Ferrari is at the forefront of the engine department, but they lost an engine in the first race. I don't believe a word anymore, I promise 30 more horses, the car is 1 second faster than last year's speed freak, etc.... but they are totally incompetent and 30 seconds in a match is just too much. Let's look at Aston Martin where they were last year and now before Ferrari. Ferrari obviously needs more foreign engineers with this team they have no chance, call binotta back as head of the technical department. Today's race shows the unreliability of the powertrain and very very poor driving in the slow corners. The speed on the straight is ok, but in the slow parts of the corners they are very bad.

You want to keep Binotto & Rueda? Then we’ll be racing against Williams

**DIEK** · 5th March 2023, 16:45

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

No GP2 engine for Alonso. "This is a lovely car to drive."

At last...2013 was his last competitive car.

I'm still excited although I feel sorry for Carlos and Ferrari today.

**The Hajj** · 5th March 2023, 16:45

Okay, we mostly agree that Sainz is not on CL’s level, BUT what more should we expect of him, or any other driver? The Aston was obviously much better than the Ferrari and FA passed CS easily. Everybody else finished behind him.

The Red Bull may win every race this season. Thanks to ridiculous “green” and “PC” regulations over the years, teams cannot make major changes during the campaign, and the result is the usual F1 Borefest.

**nani_s23** · 5th March 2023, 16:47

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

They are the only team and engine supplier not using the split-turbo design. The car and engine need a complete overhaul.

With this Tech Dept, ferrari never gonna win. 100% sure.

**nani_s23** · 5th March 2023, 16:47

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

They are the only team and engine supplier not using the split-turbo design. The car and engine need a complete overhaul.

With this Tech Dept, ferrari never gonna win. 100% sure.

**gump1480** · 5th March 2023, 16:52

Originally Posted by nani_s23

With this Tech Dept, ferrari never gonna win. 100% sure.

Yup...totally

**ferrari1.8t** · 5th March 2023, 16:53

Charles Leclerc post-race:

"We had no race pace. We have to make step forwards, they found something because it has never been seen. In qualifying we were there but in the race they give us 1 second per lap...”

Ya, given Ferrari’s horrendous in-season development it’s safe to say it’s over.

**subfire91** · 5th March 2023, 16:54

lets see what the problem with the engine was. i have a feeling it may be completely usable. there was no kaboom or smoke

**paneristi** · 5th March 2023, 16:54

Originally Posted by The Hajj

Okay, we mostly agree that Sainz is not on CL’s level, BUT what more should we expect of him, or any other driver? The Aston was obviously much better than the Ferrari and FA passed CS easily. Everybody else finished behind him.

The Red Bull may win every race this season. Thanks to ridiculous “green” and “PC” regulations over the years, teams cannot make major changes during the campaign, and the result is the usual F1 Borefest.

Precisely. SAI was a sitting duck against the mighty AMR

**paneristi** · 5th March 2023, 16:55

Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t

Charles Leclerc post-race:

"We had no race pace. We have to make step forwards, they found something because it has never been seen. In qualifying we were there but in the race they give us 1 second per lap...”

Ya, given Ferrari’s horrendous in-season development it’s safe to say it’s over.

And Binotto started midway in 2022…

**Hornet** · 5th March 2023, 16:56

That was a terrible start to our season.

Lets see how we perform at other tracks. Right now I'm more concern about our reliability, I hope we did not lose the engine.

**racingbradley** · 5th March 2023, 16:57

We started the cycle last year but fell away dramatically.
At least todays result may fire everyone up to preform at their max. Hopefully Fred will be a positive influence.
One race does not a championship make.

**Golfsmith** · 5th March 2023, 16:57

The car and engine need a complete overhaul

Agree the whole team needs an overhall.

**racingbradley** · 5th March 2023, 17:00

Originally Posted by Hornet

That was a terrible start to our season.

Lets see how we perform at other tracks. Right now I'm more concern about our reliability, I hope we did not lose the engine.

At least the engine didn't blow up! Could it be fuel or electrics?.......something simple but annoying nevertheless.

**FerrariF60** · 5th March 2023, 17:02

Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t

Charles Leclerc post-race:

"We had no race pace. We have to make step forwards, they found something because it has never been seen. In qualifying we were there but in the race they give us 1 second per lap...”

Ya, given Ferrari’s horrendous in-season development it’s safe to say it’s over.

Yeah, a second a lap in race pace is HUGE...we’ll never make that up during the season
We’ll be fighting with AM for the rest of the season