then how come seb pit stop was so long? Charles pit stop isn't??
as per your conspiracy theory, This time Ferrari dumped vettel?
Why Charles isn't able to overtake bottas in the last GP? When vettel was fighting with ham in Canada, where Is Charles?
above statements are relatively comparing to ur posts only.
In my opinion, we have both strong drivers who can capable of challenging at the top. If provided a consistent strong car, WCC is for sure. WDC is up for a toss.
Hopefully the next race is the new turning point for Seb and Charles, a 1,2 will do. Last race has nothing to do with R Bull winning again. Last race has nothing to do with Ferrari losing another race. I'm sure Merc , Lewis feels the same.
Plus Baku, blocking Sainz in Austria and getting penalty, France, Italy, Japan, USA etc...
Guy is never going to win another championship. Ferrari must back Leclerc as the defacto no.1 driver from next year, and the 40 mil they're paying Vettel should be spent on to other things, e.g Wind Tunnel correlation.
When max comes to ferrari or mercs ... will be the same pay ...?? Com’n get some brains...!!
Wt was vet’s pay I’n RB?? Wt was ham pay in McLaren before mercs ??
Wt was Alonso pay when IN Renault ???
Ferrari failed to deliver a car. Even without his mistake in Germany last year, Merc’s post summer development was far better than Ferrari. As stated before, even RBR improved more.
I am no Vettel fan boy by any stretch of the imagination, but the last decade is Ferrari’s failure, not the drivers’.
Very true the driver talent has always been presant over the past 10 years but unfortunately the car has not put simply maranallo has been sleeping always thinking that they have done enough.This is specifically there f1 division and not there rd cars.The Ferrari rd cars are in a league of there own just like Merc currently in f1. I believe that Ferrari are now realising after all this sleep that it's finally time to awaken it's been a huge nap.
Ferrari had a great car in 2018, wins for both Vettel and Kimi.
In the mighty Merc, Bottas was winless and could only manage 5th in WDC.
I tend to believe Alonso would've taken 2017 and 2018 to the final round - but the FIA probably wouldn't have let him win it. Vettel is too error-prone even though he's fast. Having said that, this year the anti-Ferrari bias has ticked up to ludicrous levels - they're not even subtle anymore, like for example in Hungary last year where they penalised Bottas for another collision.
Another was getting Vettel -5 in the US while Hamilton walked from his dangerous driving in Brazil. It's so ludicous even people I know who've called me ridiculous before now admit that the FIA are going out of their way not to allow Ferrari to win. Had our car been 0.2 seconds faster/lap in those two scandal races this season it wouldn't have mattered because we'd been too far ahead, but now it does. It boggles me that no journalist never seems to investigate what financial contributions Mercedes make to say "road safety initiatives" at the FIA and what corporate links there are, because there sure seems to be an agenda and it sure never fails.
This also goes way back, to when in Monaco and Germany 2012 both Red Bulls failed scrutineering after qualifying and were not even forced to start from the back, let alone thrown out of the individual weekend - but allowed to start on their original grid slots with the illegal parts intact Doing the math it's quite easy to assume that cost Alonso the title for sure.
As for Bottas not winning last year, he had one stolen from him by Toto and besides that, he often struggled to have the measure of a past-it Massa at Williams, which sort of says it all about him. He's even more sensitive to weather conditions, the car being 100 % perfect and his team-mate having a bad day than Felipe used to be for us. He's a useless yardstick and operating at a lower level than Barrichello used to do for us in his prime.
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Seb got 3 place penalty in Austria last year though
Forza Ferrari
Ok, nevermind. It did cost him the win for sure regardless. Hamilton got to keep his pole in Britain in 2017 though, that was some outrageous blocking and it sure swung 14 points his direction because of that ludicrous and biased call. Also, I do not believe for one second that the Singapore 2017 start would've been allowed under those dangerous track conditions without any prior wet running on the track under the lights had Hamilton sat on pole. There would've been a ten-lap safety car as usual. Just no chance.
It's because of Hamilton is way more fragile than the first-career Schumacher ever was. His performances are extremely volatile and up for grabs whenever things don't work his way. I don't recall a single MS performance at Ferrari* resembling Hamilton's shock and horror performances in Monaco 2017, how he's driven in Mexico lately and then Austria last time round. Michael just did his job every week and didn't offer those opportunities. You just didn't see him drop back 20 seconds and start bashing the team over on the radio. Quite simply a superior Sunday driver to Hamilton in all departments. Both Vettel and Hamilton pale into complete insignificance when compared to what Schumacher did, for example with the 1997 car and his legendary Imola 2005 race day performance from 14th on the grid where he in a car that didn't work so well, put himself right on Alonso's tail on a track where overtaking was virtually impossible. Both Hamilton and Vettel are completely dependent on dominant cars to deliver the goods. Swap their seats for 2017 and 2018 and Vettel would've won the title for Mercedes for sure.
* We all know why 2005 happened and it wasn't Michael, it was the tyres. It was like a midfield car because of that.
Monaco 2006 was pretty shocking.
Well, he finished 5th on Sunday from the back afterwards, so he compensated for it as good as he possibly could. Besides, I think that penalty was way overdone to prove a point. Intent is super-hard to prove even though we all knew what he did, so back of the grid was outrageous. DQ from Q3 would've been a lot more reasonable, but a strong reprimand and swapping grid positions with Alonso would've been the right call since no-one else would've beaten his time anyway so it was just grandstanding to appease the British teams. For people saying the FIA was in Ferrari's pocket back then, it proves that's complete nonsense.
I'll always defend Michael to the death, he's the best we've had and he's earned it. Monaco was a bit dirty, but nothing like the media has made it out to be. He didn't even put someone in harms way there, he just tried a trick that didn't work. Some bad things sometimes happen and life goes on. If people have a different opinion about Rascasse that's fine, but in my opinion the general F1 media narrative is dominated by a certain country's media and it definitely does Ferrari no favours when incidents do happen.
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Strange isn't. I mean look at Hamilton, only 1 WDC to his name before 2014, and now all of a sudden he's a 5 time WDC!? Is it because he never had the skill, or because he always had the skill but never had the car?
"he's done mistakes", hmm...not a correct away way to describe Vettel's 2018. "He's done mistakes after mistakes", that'd be more accurate.
Point's earned by teams during 2nd of 2018:
Mercedes 310 (Hamilton 195+Bottas 115)
Ferrari 236 (Vettel 131+Raikkonen 105), Raikkonen had 2 DNF
Red Bull 196 (Max 144+ Ricciardo 52), Ricciardo had 4 DNF
So, NO, Ferrari wasn't the 3rd fastest car. Hamilton scored 195 points in the last 9 races of 2018, not because his car was 1-second/lap faster than the others. But because he drove like a 5 time WDC and didn't give away points by making silly mistakes.
That annoying man Brawn he warns Ferrari and red bull of mercedes resurgence seriously Ross it's called you are to aligned with mercedes you should be as far away from the sport as possible.Permanent gardening leave you know way to much for my liking.
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