My comment included when they are in same team well.
Apart from that when Alonso left, he did drive avg car or abv avg car to almost 2 titles.
If he’s so strong then would have won 2007 title right ? 2008 championship won by 1pt? Massa too was strong.
So can we compare him with kimi & massa?
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Had he not suffered that technical problem at Jerez, he would've won the most unfancied title in the history of the sport that year. Alonso nearly did the same in 2012. Hamilton has never gotten close to anything like that and his attempts at bigging himself up last season when evidently his car was faster in race trim was rather pathetic.
Kimi P4 and never had a dominant car, like all 3 ahead him. Not bad.
Today's F-1 drivers are not as talented as Michael and his competitors for sure. But the drivers up front today all seem to be about equal talent wise, with nothing but doubt with tires and so on, which is not their fault . So that was then ; this is now. And F-1 has a top driver now , who most fans say can't drive. But for his car he'd be no where. I do believe the rules today also make it different perhaps say tougher today's drivers.
I disagree. The amount of telemetry and technology assistance which drivers have at their disposal today make it extremely easy for them to manage their cars and races. Strat 5, right front temp low, fuel mix 3 etc. were unheard of in 2009 and before. Reliability (engine, hydraulics) is almost bullet proof with most of the cars making it to the chequered flag.
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What happened to Charles' car when he was about to win that race? Reliable engine? Easy for today's drivers and the team to manage their tires ? Perfect down force when needed! The cars that don't make it to the checkered flag are caused by driver mistakes, not able to handle their cars on the turns etc. The cars are harder to handle, there's too much tech. and telemetry involved today . How about all the FIA interference ! Ask Dan about the bullet proof rides he's had ! DNFs up the nose! Just look where Ferrari is today with all their bullet proof cars.
Reliability is ALMOST bulletproof. Check the %DNF we have had across teams in the past 5 years vs %DNF in pre-2009. You are talking about Charles losing 1 race due to engine? Think what happened in Japan 2006!
Anyway, you are right. The cars are hard to handle today vs pre-2009
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If you're talking about Bottas, I'd say he's an upper midfield driver. He'd do alright versus Hülkenberg or Räikkönen in the same car, but not much more than that.
As for the modern cars, of course they're way easier to drive than the 90's cars Schumacher and Häkkinen mastered and obliterated their opposition in; just look at the first half of Michael's 1998 Suzuka pole lap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciuffQX-TC8
Mika's pole lap in Spain the same year looked really ragged too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ-QOGW-KQs
Today, pole laps look like cruise holidays in comparison. The slightest mistake in line just scrubs off speed, but never really threatens to have the driver truly run off the circuit. Gaining time on the others is virtually impossible, it's all about hitting the exact millisecond line in each turn and not lose time. Back then, you could actually gain time purely by attacking corners harder and making it work.
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I'm glad to see you agree ! Charles lost to an engine prob. To you it was just 1 race, That was going to be " The big win ! " for him and the team. Think about what happened and still happening now; 2019 with every race that Seb can't seem to get through with his much easier car to drive! Mistakes and crahsing ! He blames himself for not adjusting to the easy to drive car. He's not a 21 yr' old rookie, he's a 4x WDC boy. At least the tire problems in the past are long gone. Today's F-1 is a breeze tire wise! Pirelli made it a dream for today's drivers.
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As for the modern cars, of course they're way easier to drive than the 90's cars Schumacher and Häkkinen mastered and obliterated their opposition in; just look at the first half of Michael's 1998 Suzuka pole lap:
Schumy mastered and obliterated his opposition mostly with his driving skill, not the car's doing. Going back : 1997 Jerez, lap 48 ! deliberately knocking Villeneve out. 1994, Austrailia , last race , he knocked Damon hill out ! Today's drivers just don't got what it takes ! It's not all about the new cars.
It was much more than that in 1994.
Schumi was also disqualified in 2 other races as well.
Damian Hill got 40 points in those 4 races!!! He finished the season with 91 points.
In other words Schumi's 12 race season beat Hill's 16 race season....
It was not a championship but FIA made it into one.
We all know reverse is important in a car transmission, reverse is also great with regards to psychology ! As you say, brilliant insights ! Ferrari needs the win !!
Taki Inoue /end thread.
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