German GP Race Thread

[natural_051]

very true brazil 07

i never heard of people complaining then

no? did you hear radio conversation?? if they have shut up all time it would be much better for all.

[SanderV]

Hope Massa has the speed and motivation to keep Vettel behind.

[ferrari4life]

man vettel closing in too fast

[OldskoolF1]

I wouldn't be surprised if Massa loses out to Vettel now, that probably totally demoralised him and I don't blame him. Don't know why I bothered watching the race :roll

[Grinsomx]

With 7 laps to go, the gap between Vettel and Massa is becoming way too small. i fear for our 1-2

[vagos]

massa has to concentrate now come onnnnnnn felipeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Mitra]

vettel is getting closer to massa
gap to 1.0s

[gvsnraju85]

vettel closing in on massa

[Greig]

I wouldn't be surprised if Massa loses out to Vettel now, that probably totally demoralised him and I don't blame him. Don't know why I bothered watching the race :roll

Yeah a Ferrari 1-2 must be hard to watch

[Ste]

Ted:

"McLaren say both cars are fine and just bringing them home. Webber managing his problem effectively. Not worried. Mercedes say they could have had the pace to get near Kubica but it hasn't worked out, cars are ok just no pace."

[Greig]

Come on Felipe!!!

[Ste]

Come on Felipe baby, hold on. Please.

6 laps left, you can do it.

[maho]

Jeez Vettel took out .723 out of Massa on lap 58

[vagos]

vettel is faster ...... maybe massa has a problem i dont know i hope he stays 2nd!

[Lesky]

Now, lets say "Vettel is faster" - and with an opponent that does not mean giving up a position - rather TAKING OUT the opponent! :-D

Certain codes that Ferrari have agreed on with the drivers before the race can mean gold in the end!

[arunkshrestha]

Funny thing is Alonso was complaining about races being manipulated a couple of weeks back! I have no problems with team orders. F1 is a team sport after all. But I didn't see the need for team orders in this race. It was like Alonso was getting pressure from Vettel.

[Tifosi]

Not really, not much different to Massa moving for Kimi or Kimi for Massa.

Whatever you want to think. Its just over half way through the season, its the anniversary of his accident, and we just sold out his drive to win for the rest of the season.

It's miles different and we all know it.

[vagos]

vettel FL DAMN IT!

[diablos123]

that was planned from the begining.

[xpman]

Originally Posted by Ste
Stop moaning guys. Wouldn't you rather have the WDC and potentially the WCC than just the WCC?

Massa will have known before hand what the circumstances are, as would Alonso if the positions were reversed. It's not nice, but Massa doesn't have a shot at the WDC anymore, Alonso does.


Makes No diff mate Our Beloved "Luka" keeps Banging on about we Ferrari do things in the SPIRIT of the Rules etcb etc etc etc etc Well mate where was the Spirit ???????????????????

[criderman]

I just threw up in my mouth a little...disturbing...

[Ste]

I don't think the switch affected Massa. He lost about 2s in traffic and is only lapping a tenth or so slower than Alonso.

Infact, he was quicker than him on the last lap, quicker than Vettel as well.

[Mitra]

come on Felipe keep Vettel behind you

[ferrari4life]

no massa no...come on boy..

[GamD]

How about Massa moving for Kimi at Brazil? disgusted? Kimi moving for Massa at China? disgusted?

Greg Kimi is in rally now, he is KO, out, gone, passed, old news.....

Massa was asked to let Alonso pass, which in it self I can see why, But Ferrari should not harp on about how no team orders exists. If what they done was fair they would of just come out and said "let Alonso pass your to slow to win" .

[Tech_Skill]

Two things.

1. What happened today was 100% the correct decision, I support Ferrari through and through, Ferrari's only chance of winning the championship is Fernando Alonso, we have to give him every chance possible to win the championship.

2. Im disgusted by the way Ferrari handled the situation by making it so obvious team orders were given, I wouldn't be surprised if an investigation takes place after the race, Rob Smedley turning around and saying 'sorry' to massa over the radio was just ridiculous, save that for after the race, dont do it over the radio so the FIA can hear, they will do anything to penalise ferrari.

[Nick Singer]

Can't believe what some of you are saying. What a disgrace. I know about points, championship positions etc but Ferrari should be ashamed. I know as a Ferrari fan of 30 years standing I am...

I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't some sort of 'protest', an inquiry and the team get nailed.

Pfft!

[Greig]

Whatever you want to think. Its just over half way through the season, its the anniversary of his accident, and we just sold out his drive to win for the rest of the season.

It's miles different and we all know it.

His accident really has no bearing on it though does it, from how it looks now then it was the right decision

[vagos]

ALONSO fl NOW!

[Shahid]

Was just thinking about the earlier radio messages - does anyone think Massa was told if you can keep a certain gap to Fernando (and thereby prove you are faster) we won't ask you to move. Thinking back to the message where Rob was saying something about the gap being 3 seconds we need to keep it going.

[dfunk257]

Vettel us catching Massa cause he is quicker, not cause his spirits are down u bunch of useless fools!

[vagos]

vettel tyres are not in good condition i think he is pushing a lot!

[racingbradley]

I couldn't give 2 hoots right now to be honest.

I feel so sorry for Rob. He clearly didn't want to give that message----hope Felipe fully understands. I think he has lost the fire in his belly.:-(
Think I know how he feels-----it would have been so good for his confidence. I hope Rob can sort that out in time for Hungary !!!!!!!

[Greig]

Greg Kimi is in rally now, he is KO, out, gone, passed, old news.....

Massa was asked to let Alonso pass, which in it self I can see why, But Ferrari should not harp on about how no team orders exists. If what they done was fair they would of just come out and said "let Alonso pass your to slow to win" .

Old news? LOL its relevant to the team using orders for title challengers no? don't be silly to try and deny its happened in the past

[Greig]

Was just thinking about the earlier radio messages - does anyone think Massa was told if you can keep a certain gap to Fernando (and thereby prove you are faster) we won't ask you to move. Thinking back to the message where Rob was saying something about the gap being 3 seconds we need to keep it going.

Rob said something about keeping a gap is everything, to keep pushing.

[Tifosi]

His accident really has no bearing on it though does it, from how it looks now then it was the right decision

No it doesnt.

best not even try to pass Alonso from now on I guess. no point. Just like Austria, its sickening cos its way too soon. Crap!

[Wiz]

I wouldn't be surprised if Massa loses out to Vettel now, that probably totally demoralised him and I don't blame him. Don't know why I bothered watching the race :roll

My feelings exactly. This is a disgrace. It could have been his comeback, one year after his accident (to the day). There are more important things than 7 points for Alonso, whether or not Massa has a chance of winning the championship, and if there's one team in the world who know this, it should be Ferrari. This is just hugely disappointing.

[vagos]

hopefully massa will stay 2nd i think vettel has to take care his tyres!

[Ste]

Was just thinking about the earlier radio messages - does anyone think Massa was told if you can keep a certain gap to Fernando (and thereby prove you are faster) we won't ask you to move. Thinking back to the message where Rob was saying something about the gap being 3 seconds we need to keep it going.
That sounds pretty logical to me, yes.

[OldskoolF1]

Yeah a Ferrari 1-2 must be hard to watch

not in that fashion no

[TheProdigalSon]

I feel bad for massa but Ferrari made the right decision if you see the points standings and once Alonso got through he was gone. But I'm sure massa's speed was affected by that but if we want to win the wdc then this needed to happen.

[Tech_Skill]

What is more important, Massa winning 1 race, or Alonso having the chance to win the championship?

The correct decision was made.

[Greig]

No it doesnt.

best not even try to pass Alonso from now on I guess. no point.

No guess not, that's the team backed their champ contender.

[thedoctor03]

How about Massa moving for Kimi at Brazil? disgusted? Kimi moving for Massa at China? disgusted?

btw, those were championship deciders.. not midway races... come on.. dont defend ferrari for this. admit that its not a good decision

[Greig]

btw, those were championship deciders.. not midway races... come on.. dont defend ferrari for this. admit that its not a good decision

Austria 2002 and 2001 then :-)

[vagos]

i am wondering how massa will feel on the podium ........... poor man! anyhow FORZA FERRARI!

[ferrari4life]

massa pulling away slightly.. looks good

[vagos]

alonso FL 1.15.880

[xpman]

Was just thinking about the earlier radio messages - does anyone think Massa was told if you can keep a certain gap to Fernando (and thereby prove you are faster) we won't ask you to move. Thinking back to the message where Rob was saying something about the gap being 3 seconds we need to keep it going.

thats Ferrari defence but Both RedBULL and Mclaren will make it offical complaint.
ROB will Get a Verbal or Written Warning for what he said and how he said it coz its His Radio message makes it Too Clear of Team Orders.

[m schumy]

Ferrari 1-2

[Ste]

Crazy how people have over-reacted imo. Better to have a WDC than not to have one. Was the right call to make, nobody would have done any different in their position. Massa wasn't specifically told to move over, just that Fernando was quicker, so as I said before, he clearly knows the system.

He's had favours from the team before, so he can't be annoyed if he has to do it for someone else.

[diablos123]

vettel is not catching massa. they are playing. it's all a game now.

[Greig]

Wooooohooooo 1-2 what a job Ferrari!!

:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[gvsnraju85]

Ferrar 1 2

[vagos]

good 1-2 but i am not swo happy :-)

[ferrari4life]

massa had the same car as alonso from the start of the season.. not ferrari's or alonso's fault that he is so far behind..

[BigRedOne]

FERRARI 1 -2!!!!!!

[vagos]

Wooooohooooo 1-2 what a job Ferrari!!

:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[gvsnraju85]

Vettel just 0.9 secs back

[Ste]

Amazing result from our boys.

Great job from Felipe, great job from Fernando, great tactics to counter Vettel, great start, great consistency, no errors, fantastic.

We're back guys, we're back!

[racingbradley]

Well at least my only wish for this race has been granted-----lots of points like 43.

[DJN4CER]

a Ferrari 1-2, glad to see Massa held off Vetel

[Grinsomx]

:ferrarifl:ferrarifl FERRARI 1-2:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[GamD]

Old news? LOL its relevant to the team using orders for title challengers no? don't be silly to try and deny its happened in the past

Yes the PAST! In the past they used turbos, hell some cars even had 6 wheels, I heard Lewis is the best driver ever. A lot has been said and done in the past. but I also thought we moved on " past " that, past team orders and " race manipulation "
If what happenens in the pass justifies how we act in the future I really doubt we will have this " Team spirit " much longer.

[xpman]

For the Championship it was the right result both drivers and WCC.
but was done in a BITTER SWEET.

[Ste]

Alonso radio:

"Grande giorno, grande giorno. Look after the gearbox and the engine, we need those guys for the next race. Very very good job this weekend, you've been bloody fast!"

Didn't catch what Fernando said to him.

[BigRedOne]

We have to think about the team. Forza Ferrari!

[Tech_Skill]

btw, those were championship deciders.. not midway races... come on.. dont defend ferrari for this. admit that its not a good decision

Massa is NOT going to win the championship, he is a fantastic front runner, he is not going to beat Vettel and Hamilton in a world championship fight.

Ferrari backed by far the best chance for the championship and I believe Fernando was the faster driver today and the faster driver overall.

[m schumy]

A good result for the Constructors` Championship

[Nick Singer]

btw, those were championship deciders.. not midway races... come on.. dont defend ferrari for this. admit that its not a good decision

You are fighting a losing corner. Just 'cause Schuey had all his team mates get out of his way, just 'cause other teams do it doesn't make it right, honourable or sporting...

I'm delighted we won and have half a chance of a championship but still saddened.

[Tifosi]

Austria 2002 and 2001 then :-)

EXACTLY. it feels as crap as that!

[Greig]

Yes the PAST! In the past they used turbos, hell some cars even had 6 wheels, I heard Lewis is the best driver ever. A lot has been said and done in the past. but I also thought we moved on " past " that, past team orders and " race manipulation "
If what happenens in the pass justifies how we act in the future I really doubt we will have this " Team spirit " much longer.

Well this race in the past now, so you can't go on about it right? :-)

[Ste]

Massa radio:

"Good lad mate, good lad. felipe massa is back, back in business. Great result, and very, very magnanimous. You won't have any idea what that word means, so I'll explain it to you later"

Awesome Rob, awesome.

[maho]

FORZA FERRARI!!!!

[gvsnraju85]

Rob says"Fillipe Massa is back in bussiness. I am very very very happy for you"

[ferrari4life]

ferraro are being very sneaky on the radio...in ure face fia??

[xpman]

Rob is a Fing idiot hes realy making Difficult for FERRARI wi th his last stupid message

[RedRebel40]

this is not nice, if your better and faster overtake him on the track and not by team orders.:furious

[boysband]

massa's body language is not good

[Sianellen]

NobleF1: No applause for Alonso's win in the German GP media centre. A few boos ring out...

[DJN4CER]

it so beautiful to see the two Ferraris park next to each other

[Ste]

Brundle is spot on in what he says. Massa seems ok. :-)

[Grinsomx]

i just hope they wont take the result away from us, not sure what the penalty for team orders could be

[Zenmaster]

Lol, Massa didn't embrace Alonso...I don't blame him...

[maho]

Felipe needs to keep his frustrations until they get into the boardroom. The media are looking for any excuse to jump onto Ferrari's back.

[gvsnraju85]

Massa gave a half hearted hug to alonso and went inside

[Ste]

NobleF1: No applause for Alonso's win in the German GP media centre. A few boos ring out...

Sad.

[Greig]

this is not nice, if your better and faster overtake him on the track and not by team orders.:furious

Like MS did yeah :-D

[gvsnraju85]

Massa definitely avoiding conversation with alonso....i can feel the heat from here

[Mitra]

Ferrari 1-2
good to see that at least
the team thing was done today mathematically for WCC and WDC, but i am still gutted to see that
both driver behaved well, and will keep their emotions for closed doors i hope unlike RBR have

i must say i like all three on the podium

[Naeem]

Could have been such a joyous day, The day we say we're back. The truth is, we're back! and with back too with our Austrian Team orders.

[Ste]

Alonso and Massa talking to each other in Italian, seem absolutely fine. Massa is happy. No worries.

[GamD]

Well this race in the past now, so you can't go on about it right? :-)


Oh yes Greg, But I got a feeling I will be reminding you about this later!

[thedoctor03]

Austria 2002 and 2001 then :-)

i hated it then too..

[Wiz]

massa's body language is not good

Nor Alonso's. I don't think I've ever seen him put on such a fake smile, either.

[Greig]

Oh yes Greg, But I got a feeling I will be reminding you about this later!

My opinion won't change, its a team sport and always should be :-)

[vagos]

good that alonso was asking about massa at the radio!!!!

[gvsnraju85]

cant wait for the press con....media has something to talk about now till next weekend

[Effone]

DISGUSTING!!!!

How can we celebrate a 1-2 with that, if Vettel was catching Alonso I could understand it but he WAS NOT.

There was no need for this, no need whatsoever. I'm sooooooooo angry, it was going to be a wonderful 1-2 but way to go.. :ouch:ouch

[vagos]

massa wants to cry i believe..........

[maho]

Massa looks SO disappointed.

[ferrari4life]

any chance we are going to loose this because of the wings?

[Greig]

DISGUSTING!!!!

How can we celebrate a 1-2 with that, if Vettel was catching Alonso I could understand it but he WAS NOT.

There was no need for this, no need whatsoever. I'm sooooooooo angry, it was going to be a wonderful 1-2 but way to go.. :ouch:ouch

WE? you are no Ferrari fan LOL

[Tech_Skill]

Great race from Massa, as a front runner he is absolutely lethal, he proved that again today.

Outstanding weekend from Alonso, that stint where he was 2.5 secs behind massa and trimmed it down to 0.8 was outstanding driving, it looked like he was near the limit superb.

Outstanding weekend for Ferrari the team, no more mr nice guy, we have to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to win this championship.

Mccheaters would do exactly the same thing and so would the red fools.

[OldskoolF1]

the real winner takes the 2nd place trophy. massa looks annoyed and so he should

[gvsnraju85]

Massa's face says it all

[RedRebel40]

Like MS did yeah :-D

when did I say that was right? It's a bloody farce.

[Tifosi]

just like 02. No pleasure in that one. False result. Engineered. Not racing.

[gvsnraju85]

now the one chance for Massa to get back his confidence, motivation and the boost he needed is over

[Greig]

Eddie Jordan LOL, same guy who told Ralf not to race Hill at Spa

[maho]

Eddie Jordan is such a hypocrite... hes never this hostile when other teams do it.

[vagos]

good move by stefano............

[Effone]

WE? you are no Ferrari fan LOL

Look Greig I know you hate me but I am a fan, wether you like it or not and there was no need to mess with what was going to be a superb result. it took all the fun out of the race for me and I'm sure Massa is now knowing he's no more than a #2 which is bad for morale :(

[ferrari4life]

man eddie jordan is an idiot

[dfunk257]

Seriously some people on here need to wake up, where have you ben the last 15 years? GET OVER IT! IT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION! Ferrari has always put CHAMPIONSHIP 1ST. If u don't like that mentality then bye bye! Instead of celebrating a much needed Ferrari 1-2 you wanna have a sook about who and how we won. The press and fans can say what they want, but they can go and stick it where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned!

[Shahid]

Eddie is a joke.

Massa let Alonso by, never heard a pit call to tell Massa to let him past so the media can shut up.

[Greig]

Look Greig I know you hate me but I am a fan, wether you like it or not and there was no need to mess with what was going to be a superb result. it took all the fun out of the race for me and I'm sure Massa is now knowing he's no more than a #2 which is bad for morale :(

You are a Massa and MS fan, not Ferrari, you said those words yourself, so don't say WE

[Grinsomx]

and then it starts, will the fia come running with a penalty?

[Rookie]

Stefano even had the nerve to get the constructors trophy. After that fake radio conversation, my opinion of him just sank to an all new low.

[Greig]

Stefano even had the nerve to get the constructors trophy. After that fake radio conversation, my opinion of him just sank to an all new low.

LOL should he not have then?

[BigRedOne]

now the one chance for Massa to get back his confidence, motivation and the boost he needed is over

What is it, a charity event?? No, it's the world championship.

[Tifosi]

Are you all blind? We look like cheaters.

Don't pretend we dont.

[Tech_Skill]

Rob Smedley may have just cost us the Championship.

Seriously, we are going to be investigated very soon.

[m schumy]

just like 02. No pleasure in that one. False result. Engineered. Not racing.

+1 I wasn`t happy about it then and I certainly ain`t today....

[thedoctor03]

I believe Ferrari stands for a bigger thing than just one championship here or there. It stands for racing. What does the word racing me? What we saw today or in 2001/2 was NOT racing.

[Greig]

Horner lets them race, just takes parts of Mark for Seb LOL, love the hypocrites

[Shahid]

LOL Christian Horner - hypocrite

[Greig]

Are you all blind? We look like cheaters.

Don't pretend we dont.

No we look like a team

[thedoctor03]

+1 I wasn`t happy about it then and I certainly ain`t today....

+2

[Ste]

Eddie Jordan is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

I'll keep going back to McLaren at Hockenheim and Silverstone 2008. Blatant, utterly blatant team orders there. Yet, it's not ok for us to do it.

[gvsnraju85]

Does anybody have tghe official statement given by Ferrari after they gave the order???? they gave a statement smthing like generous and forgiving etc etc etc.....anybody has the full statement???

[Tifosi]

What is it, a charity event?? No, it's the world championship.

yep, charity was EXACTLY what it was :roll

[Effone]

You are a Massa and MS fan, not Ferrari, you said those words yourself, so don't say WE

So supporting Massa doesnt make me a Ferrari fan? oh.. who does he drive for.. Force India?
Look, if team orders are needed then I have no problem but in this instance they were not and could they have done it in a more blatent way?? really.. it was like sticking 2 fingers up to the FIA.. I hope nothing bad happens from this.

I feel bad for Massa though.. :(

[gvsnraju85]

Eddie Jordan is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

I'll keep going back to McLaren at Hockenheim and Silverstone 2008. Blatant, utterly blatant team orders there. Yet, it's not ok for us to do it.

So now we want to be compared with the ones we always call cheaters????????:-!

[Tech_Skill]

Horner lets them race, just takes parts of Mark for Seb LOL, love the hypocrites

EXACTLY horner, lets his drivers race, but he takes part of one drivers car and gives them to the other driver :lol

Eddie Jordan is a DISGRACE, Dominecalli needs to keep his mouth SHUT.

Oh my gosh, is Stefano making it BLATANT.

[Ste]

Stefano was speaking to LdM.

Stefano is right, glad he's sticking to his guns. Good man.

[Greig]

So supporting Massa doesnt make me a Ferrari fan? oh.. who does he drive for.. Force India?


correct

[maho]

I think Rob Smedley could have done it differently instead of protesting live on radio with the FIA listening in.

[PEN_F1]

+1 I wasn`t happy about it then and I certainly ain`t today....


kinda reminds you of the raCE AT INDY HUH !!, enuogh said about that i am glad they got the results we did its about time for a ferrari 1-2 !!!:thumb:thumb

[Greig]

Stefano was speaking to LdM.

Stefano is right, glad he's sticking to his guns. Good man.

Luca di had given the order beforehand

[Ste]

So now we want to be compared with the ones we always call cheaters????????:-!

No, not at all. I'm just saying, people can't have one opinion for one team and a different one for another team.

[Tommy_F]

:cflag :cflag :cflag

Yess yesss yesss yesss!!!! What an awesome race!! I'm so happy about this result!! We deserved this, we deserved this for a few races now!! 43 points in the bag!!
WAHOOO!!!! Let's continue this form for the rest of the season!! :-D:-D:-D

:ferrarifl :ferrarifl Forza Ferrari!!! :ferrarifl :ferrarifl

[BigRedOne]

Look, if Massa really didn't want to move over he didn't have to. F

[Naeem]

Will all these ferrari personnel SHUT UP. Stefano all but admitted team orders to the BBC

[Ste]

Luca di had given the order beforehand

Oh yea, I know. I mean Stefano is good for sticking to his guns, rather than backing down to idiot Eddie and co.

[Tech_Skill]

Stefano was speaking to LdM.

Stefano is right, glad he's sticking to his guns. Good man.

:lol

Stefano has done us proud.

He lied his ass off,

No team orders.

I believe Stefano, that's the end of the matter.

[Grinsomx]

yup, expect a penalty. the fia will not be taking this lightly

[Tifosi]

Supporting Ferrari does not mean you have to enjoy fixing one of your drivers into 2nd place half way through the season.... regardless!

[Greig]

Oh yea, I know. I mean Stefano is good for sticking to his guns, rather than backing down to idiot Eddie and co.

Too right, we have not done anything every other team does race after race

[Effone]

Look, if Massa really didn't want to move over he didn't have to. F

What and get fired? didn't you hear it on the radio.. they could have tried to cover it up a bit.. jeez

[Tech_Skill]

Too right, we have not done anything every other team does race after race

Do you think the FIA have grounds to penalise us????

[SanderV]

Doesn't Fernando know we can hear the radio conversations?!

[Naeem]

This Interview is cringeworthy.

[Greig]

What and get fired? didn't you hear it on the radio.. they could have tried to cover it up a bit.. jeez

They should not need to cover nothing up

[Effone]

Alonso thinks we're all stupid it seems.. :roll

[qjay]

:lol

Stefano has done us proud.

He lied his ass off,

No team orders.

I believe Stefano, that's the end of the matter.

Troll alert!

[Tommy_F]

We lapped everybody except McLaren and Red Bull!!! How about that :-D:-D

[Greig]

Do you think the FIA have grounds to penalise us????

No but we should not talk about it to the press anymore, the radio message cannot be proven as a team order, what they say now could.

[Grinsomx]

Too right, we have not done anything every other team does race after race

with the media jumping on this like a bunch of rabid dogs, they will probably not see it that way

[arunkshrestha]

Alonso lying again.

[maho]

Will you all get over it... will you protest this much is the roles were reversed? What happened had to happen for the TEAM. If Massa had not underperformed so much earlier this season, then he would have probably won today.

[OldskoolF1]

Alonso: I cam out of turn 6 and Felipe was slow HAHAHHAHAHAHA! What a joke. He lies without blushing. Bad day for Ferrari. A perfect 1-2 spoiled by an engineered 1-2

[Tech_Skill]

Troll alert!

Are you stupid or something?

For the championship, this was the result that was needed, what part of that can people not understand?

[Effone]

Alonso: I cam out of turn 6 and Felipe was slow HAHAHHAHAHAHA! What a joke. He lies without blushing. Bad day for Ferrari. A perfect 1-2 spoiled by an engineered 1-2

Agreed 100% There was no need for it at all..

[gvsnraju85]

press conference finally

[REDARMYSOJA]

I hate it for Massa but Alonso needed those points. If Massa had been ahead in points, it would have been Alonso letting him by, that's just the way it is. Team orders have been a part of F1 history since back in the pre-war GP days. It only became a problem when it helped Schumi win.

[Greig]

Agreed 100% There was no need for it at all..

Ferrari don't agree :-)

[dfunk257]

That's it Felipe, make it more obvious in the press conference, Jesus mate use ure head and just tell a story 2 the media then say what u really wanna say behind closed doors.

[Tech_Skill]

Will you all get over it... will you protest this much is the roles were reversed? What happened had to happen for the TEAM. If Massa had not underperformed so much earlier this season, then he would have probably won today.

EXACTLY

Jezzz, we got Red Bull and Mcheaters taking points off our main championship contender, we cant take points away from our own guy!

Totally correct decision was made.

[Tommy_F]

Massa in the PC:


We are doing a good job for the team and that is the important thing

[gvsnraju85]

Alonso says I dont know what happened

[OldskoolF1]

Ferrari don't agree :-)

Will your mouth still be as big if you were sitting in Felipe's seat?

[vecchiasignora]

Congratulations for the one - two!

TO Everyone, I believe if Massa had alonso's points and alonso had massa's points.. no team orders would have been given.
We are still 92 points away in constructors title. Massa is away toooo many points from first hamilton. Alonso to win drivers title is only thing we got..

[BigRedOne]

I hate it for Massa but Alonso needed those points. If Massa had been ahead in points, it would have been Alonso letting him by, that's just the way it is. Team orders have been a part of F1 history since back in the pre-war GP days. It only became a problem when it helped Schumi win.

:thumb:thumb

[ferrari4life]

man this could have been done so much cleaner than this...not a single person wants to talk about the pace of the ferrari...what a load of idiots

[Greig]

Will your mouth still be as big if you were sitting in Felipe's seat?

How is that relevant LOL

[FFFerrari]

First Alonso goes into complete BS-mode and the Felipe pretty much confirms everything by denying to making any mistakes. This leaves bad taste in my mouth about the whole sport once again even if the result was great for the team.

[Naeem]

We lapped everyone up to 6th place

[BigRedOne]

First Alonso goes into complete BS-mode and the Felipe pretty much confirms everything by denying to making any mistakes. This leaves bad taste in my mouth about the whole sport once again even if the result was great for the team.

Sorry!

[LAROSA SpA]

Im very happy for the team 1-2 is excellent result 30+ ahead of the McLarens.

But it's never nice to see team orders, but in the long run it's good for the championship (what might have been if we started team orders earlier 2008)

I feel very sorry for Felipe though he really needed this boost

[vcs316]

Massa - We are working for the TEAM :clap

[ales]

First Alonso goes into complete BS-mode and the Felipe pretty much confirms everything by denying to making any mistakes.

What mistake would that have been? Forgot to press the right pedal all the way to the floor on the straight? Had a sudden itch in the right leg and had to lift?

[Grinsomx]

at least DC can be honest about it, they all do it

[Julie B]

I don't agree with it at all buuuuuuuuuuuuut I know it had to be done for the team...........I think they should just get rid of the rule...at the end of the day it is a TEAM sport and they don't get anything for winning the WDC

[Shahid]

Coulthard says it all - every team up and down this pitlane gives team orders. They are all a bunch of hypocrites for moaning about it.

[ferrari4life]

someone please give me an update on the wings situation..do these results still be provisional

[Greig]

someone please give me an update on the wings situation..do these results still be provisional

Nobody has protested Red Bull yet I don't think

[ferrari4life]

haha eddie says we are talking to an intellectual audience .. he is excluding himself?

[OldskoolF1]

How is that relevant LOL

It's easy to mouth off when you are sitting behind a keyboard but if you were Felipe Massa today you would be absolutely gutted.

[Effone]

I still say there was no need for this, its taken the shine off a great 1-2 and no doubt de-motivated Massa as he knows he's nothing more than a #2 now. big mistake Ferrari.. :(

[Grinsomx]

someone please give me an update on the wings situation..do these results still be provisional

they passed scrutineering, so if they say anything about it. it will be a "change the wings before the next race or else"
dont worry about the wings

[maho]

Felipe must have seen this coming and Rob and Massa didnt have to act like that. Its not about Alonso, its about Ferrari.

[Greig]

It's easy to mouth off when you are sitting behind a keyboard but if you were Felipe Massa today you would be absolutely gutted.

Maybe not, it's still not relevant to what Ferrari wanted to do is it :-)

[DIEK]

Alonso says I dont know what happened

And tell the truth...he is not a liar like Hamilton ...

[LAROSA SpA]

Coulthard says it all - every team up and down this pitlane gives team orders. They are all a bunch of hypocrites for moaning about it.

David is 100% correct

[undertaker_17]

great ob guys!

[Ste]

Coulthard says it all - every team up and down this pitlane gives team orders. They are all a bunch of hypocrites for moaning about it.

Yea, posted that on FB. He is totally correct. :-)

[Greig]

Eddie is such a hypocrite I love it LOL

[Tech_Skill]

Coulthard says it all - every team up and down this pitlane gives team orders. They are all a bunch of hypocrites for moaning about it.

Exactly, hearing Horner talk about team order was hilarious, hypocrisy at its finest.

After hearing Rob Smedley talk, i believe everything he says, no team orders at all, all makes sense. :lol

[ferrari4life]

Nobody has protested Red Bull yet I don't think

werent we also under controversy with out wings?

[gvsnraju85]

David croft's questions completely exposed us.........these guys are trained atheletes but n not diplomats period

[Greig]

werent we also under controversy with out wings?

No just Red Bull

[Shahid]

Eddie being put in his place about his use of team orders LOL

[criderman]

Massa - We are working for the TEAM :clap

That's what he's told to say...Its gotta be eating him up inside...

[maho]

Calling Alonso petulant... god he is such an idiot. He talks as if Alonso is the owner of Ferrari and can do anything.

[ferrari4life]

well hope this stands dont need to be giving any more points to hami and co..

[Greig]

MS backs the Ferrari decision :-)

[ferrari4life]

MS the idiot talking about how massa is his friend yet he didnt hesitate to put him in the wall

[Ste]

Spot on from Michael as well. Mirroring what I said earlier.

[ferrari4life]

at least he is honest about the deal

[Tech_Skill]

Eddie Jordan, "Ferrari didnt need to do it", and now he is saying Alonso orchestrated the whole thing, now they are implying alonso's contract means massa cant challenge him.

BBC are just awful very..... Pro Mclaren, you know if it benefited Hamilton, they would be defending it like crazy.

[Greig]

Michael speaking a lot of sense

[Katu]

unbelievable, but this time i even agree with schumacher

[Shahid]

I agree 100% with michael - all the way down to the reasons why the Austria move wasn't good.

[gvsnraju85]

So does this mean we wont see Massa winning a single race this season of Alonso follows him??

[Mitra]

Schumi spoke very well!

[Greig]

Eddie is gonna have a heart attack I think :-)

[maho]

David Coulthard must be so annoyed with Eddie mouthing off like a rabid dog all the time.

[vcs316]

That's what he's told to say...Its gotta be eating him up inside...

Of course its gotta be eating him up inside. But both drivers race for Ferrari.

Ferrari comes first before any driver! The driver with the best chance to win the championship will be given preference.

[kazi]

can anyone post a link to the Red Bull almost-illegal front wing?

I have completely missed what it's about, heard the commentators say something that the front of the middle part is to low or whatever.

Please link :-)

[Wiz]

Calling Alonso petulant... god he is such an idiot. He talks as if Alonso is the owner of Ferrari and can do anything.

Well he did say on the radio "this is ridiculous" when Massa didn't let him pass right after their pit stops. And don't forget Alonso's behaviour while at McLaren, he almost made Hamilton look a nice and friendly guy by comparison. ;)

[vcs316]

Michael speaking a lot of sense

What did he say?

[Rookie]

LOL should he not have then?

Yep he shouldn't. Just goes to show what kind of character he has... The most decent thing he should've done is put Rob there and condone Massa and remind him of the bigger picture. Honestly, in as much as I love Ferrari I cannot stomach when things like these happen. I honestly thought the organization has been over the mistakes of the past. Apparently not...

[MRRabbit]

Haha, hilarious, people need to wake up and realise it had to be done, a 1-2 and a step closer to Hamilton in the drivers champ, couldn't be better.

[ferrari4life]

these guys are such idiots...man its ticking me off to listen to these fools..

[Greig]

What did he say?

How he understands why Ferrari would do it, they are there to win the titles and only one can win it, why would they not help a driver win it.

[Kingdom Hearts]

I'm sorry for Massa and understand the team, but why they did the "move" so obiously?, why?.

[Tech_Skill]

So does this mean we wont see Massa winning a single race this season of Alonso follows him??

nope. I love massa, on his day he is rediculously fast, especially over a single lap and as a front runner, he is awesome.

But anyone who thinks he can win this world championship is deluded, he is not the driver alonso, hamilton or vettel is.

When Button passed hamilton, Hamilton passed him back and then mclaren gave the save fuel command, no one was complaining of team orders then, cos if it benefits Mclaren, its okay.

[Tifosi]

Spot on from Michael as well. Mirroring what I said earlier.

Michael approach to cheating is more flexible than it used to be.

[FFFerrari]

It's confirmed: Felipe is Fernando's whipping boy. Don't expect it to change as long as Santander finances the team.

[Ste]

So the non-partial people have spoken complete sense:

Coulthard
Schumacher

EJ doesn't count as non-partial he's usually a complete clown.

[Greig]

Yep he shouldn't. Just goes to show what kind of character he has... The most decent thing he should've done is put Rob there and condone Massa and remind him of the bigger picture. Honestly, in as much as I love Ferrari I cannot stomach when things like these happen. I honestly thought the organization has been over the mistakes of the past. Apparently not...

Maybe Rob said no? do you know? Stefano done what Luca Di asked.....

[Liscia]

Most importantly our team is back! Reality is what it is and team orders are 'the elephant' in EVERY team's garage and strategy session.
A wonderful harvest of points for our team and my compliments to our outstanding drivers, BOTH of whome won today. FORZA FERRARI!!!

[Greig]

Hopefully this drives FOTA on to get rid of the stupid no team orders rule anyway :-)

[vcs316]

How he understands why Ferrari would do it, they are there to win the titles and only one can win it, why would they not help a driver win it.

Thanks. And I absolutely agree !! We race to win the WCC and WDC. The driver with the best chance gets the preference. Simple :-)

[maho]

Well he did say on the radio "this is ridiculous" when Massa didn't let him pass right after their pit stops. And don't forget Alonso's behaviour while at McLaren, he almost made Hamilton look a nice and friendly guy by comparison. ;)

I think it was because Massa was pushing Alonso back into Vettel and I dont think it would have happened any differently if Alonso hadnt said that. For some reason, maybe im wrong, but when Massa is defending against Alonso hes prety good at not letting him pass. but when it comes to any other front runners this season Felipe doesnt even look like he tries.

[LAROSA SpA]

What did he say?

Only 1 driver can win the WDC

Basically, that every team does it if it was the last or second last race of the season that everybody would be "yeah thats fine".

And that if at the end of the season you loose by that one point everybody would be saying why didn't you use team orders?

[SanderV]

Hopefully this drives FOTA on to get rid of the stupid no team orders rule anyway :-)

Not too happy about today but I agree with you on the team orders rule.

[Greig]

Michael approach to cheating is more flexible than it used to be.

No he just knows what goes on in every team, if Ferrari could go back to 2008 and give Felipe 1 more point by moving Kimi, do you think Felipe would grab it with both hands?

[LAROSA SpA]

So the non-partial people have spoken complete sense:

Coulthard
Schumacher

EJ doesn't count as non-partial he's usually a complete clown.

:lol exactly

[Agron]

I so love how the haters are going ballistic in other forums :-D:-D:-D:-D
Just for that it's worth it, being closer to both championships has just become the second best thing :lol.

I'm an Alonso fan, and if the positions were reversed, and Massa was so far ahead and outqualifying and outpacing Alonso, I would be but admit this is the right thing to do. Greatness is achieved through victories, for decades now this has been a cheater's sport and almost everyone does it, sticking to the rules only makes you the looser, remember Valencia and the other 5 or so reprimands Hamilton got without penalties. Heck, in the past teammaters got out of their cars to let Fangio race lol.

[Sianellen]

Spot on from Michael as well. Mirroring what I said earlier.



Why has Alonso not won a race by himself this season? he needed Vettel to win Bahrain for him and Felipe to give him a win today. If he is such a great driver why is he not winning the races by himself. Why has he made so many mistakes this season? That was Felipe's race and Ferrari stole it from him. We lost the integrity we had today, I hope you think it is worth it in the end.

[ferrari4life]

Oh well Massa..you drove a great race and no one can take that away from you...but you got to get over it son..you put yourself in that position not Ferrari..you know its going to happen..you would have excepted the same done for you if the tables were turned.

[RED]

Michael knows the business and how the championship works. He's right that if we lost the WDC by a few points at the end of the season, everyone would be talking about this race and blaming the team. EJ's so funny BTW. :lol

[criderman]

Of course its gotta be eating him up inside. But both drivers race for Ferrari.

Ferrari comes first before any driver! The driver with the best chance to win the championship will be given preference.

I understand what you are saying fully but come on...I want a WDC and WCC but they should be allowed to race...Both are great drivers and if Alonso is the fastest man (like many people say) on the grid then he should be able to get around him without a orchestrated pass.... Personally I wouldnt want to win or lose that way...

[kazi]

can anyone post a link to the Red Bull almost-illegal front wing?

I have completely missed what it's about, heard the commentators say something that the front of the middle part is to low or whatever.

Please link :-)

Anyone? Or atleast explain what was fishy about it.

[Tech_Skill]

Just saw this on another forum and remembered this.

Damon Hill vs Ralf Schumacher, i think it was at Spa, Ralf much faster than Hill, Eddie Jordan stopped ralf from passing Damon Hill.

Eddie Jordan is the worst pundit of all time, end of story.

[Wiz]

Only 1 driver can win the WDC

Basically, that every team does it if it was the last or second last race of the season that everybody would be "yeah thats fine".

And that if at the end of the season you loose by that one point everybody would be saying why didn't you use team orders?

It's seven points (25 vs. 18), but I doubt Alonso will need exactly these 7 points, and I'm quite sure Massa's loss of motivation is going to cost the team more than that, in turn potentially costing the team the WCC... We'll see.

[LAROSA SpA]

No he just knows what goes on in every team, if Ferrari could go back to 2008 and give Felipe 1 more point by moving Kimi, do you think Felipe would grab it with both hands?

That is exactly the point, the only thing is that it's hard to see someone who deserved the win (he did) give it up.
You don't win championships if your drivers share everything, because someone else will have more points come end of the season.

[Greig]

Anyone? Or atleast explain what was fishy about it.

Claims that it's flexing on track