Should Ferrari save up and try to sign Hamilton?

[GregoryJenkins]

Hamilton always seems to have a low point in a season where he says 'I'm thinking of quitting' etc. etc.

Why don't Ferrari save up, and next time Mclaren let him down and he's feeling low...offer him a massive Kimi Raikkonen sized deal to prise him away from his beloved Mclaren.

I think he's the only thing that can save us to be honest. Alonso seems to be doing nothing for us - Kubica replaced him at Renault and look how much better they got! If we could get a Massa Hamilton lineup that would be amazing! :-)

[kazi]

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seriously that's the most stupid thing i've ever read on this forum.

[mad_ani]

would be worth a shot to try that combo out...but no way is Hamilton gonna leave MClaren...he fits in there very well and has been Ron's golden boy and of course he isnt gonna be attracted by a strong pay package

[WolfBlitzer]

Hamilton always seems to have a low point in a season where he says 'I'm thinking of quitting' etc. etc.

Why don't Ferrari save up, and next time Mclaren let him down and he's feeling low...offer him a massive Kimi Raikkonen sized deal to prise him away from his beloved Mclaren.

I think he's the only thing that can save us to be honest. Alonso seems to be doing nothing for us - Kubica replaced him at Renault and look how much better they got! If we could get a Massa Hamilton lineup that would be amazing! :-)

Hamilton is a McLaren driver through and through, he is not leaving. On the other hand he is Senna's "self appointed" heir so he might want to end his career at Ferrari.

Having said that I think there is no question that Hamilton is the best driver in F1 today but Alonso is the second best and just needs to get his mojo back to be on top form again. Kubica lacks a spark, he is good driver but he is compared to the inexperienced Petrov which frankly isn't on the same level.

Alonso is best suited to Ferrari. We are just at a certain low point at the moment but it will come back.

[dbristol91]

Hamilton to Ferrari?! Are you ing stupid? What kind of you talking about dude? No way!!! Get out of here with these forums. !

[Grillo]

nonsense thread award

[REDARMYSOJA]

I would love for Hamilton to join Ferrari and he and Alonso spend the next decade swapping WDC wins each year, simply because I can't think of anything that would humiliate McLaren and it's fans worse than that.

[ajpat]

Most drivers want to end their careers at Ferrari--why???????? I think they should put up an old DRIVERS home.

[vcs316]

Hamilton always seems to have a low point in a season where he says 'I'm thinking of quitting' etc. etc.

Why don't Ferrari save up, and next time Mclaren let him down and he's feeling low...offer him a massive Kimi Raikkonen sized deal to prise him away from his beloved Mclaren.

I think he's the only thing that can save us to be honest. Alonso seems to be doing nothing for us - Kubica replaced him at Renault and look how much better they got! If we could get a Massa Hamilton lineup that would be amazing! :-)

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[steelstallions]

If we have a couple more seasons like this one, we will all get desperate to see change and that means new drivers as well as personnel.

BUT Lewis to Ferrari? You must be joking, I cannot stand the sight of him and it would be hard to watch Ferrari with him driving and being so passionate about his drive.

You may as well say put Ron Dennis in charge of Ferrari and ask what Tifosi think of that.

As for all that bull about drivers wanting to join Ferrari in their twilight years, that was 20 years ago when the Ferrari pay was as high as it is now but the expectation was a lot less.

Let the the older drivers of today and the years to come, looking for a financial retirement package, go to other teams thank you!!! you are not wanted at Ferrari ever again.

[Katu]

Hamilton always seems to have a low point in a season where he says 'I'm thinking of quitting' etc. etc.

Why don't Ferrari save up, and next time Mclaren let him down and he's feeling low...offer him a massive Kimi Raikkonen sized deal to prise him away from his beloved Mclaren.

I think he's the only thing that can save us to be honest. Alonso seems to be doing nothing for us - Kubica replaced him at Renault and look how much better they got! If we could get a Massa Hamilton lineup that would be amazing! :-)

that stuff you've been smoking must be quite good....

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[red5]

YES

[goferrarigo]

Funniest and stupidest thread i have ever read. :rotfl

[Greig]

We won't need to save up for him :-D

[Stormsearcher]

All i can say to this thread is " T R O L L A L E R T"...
Thats the most ridiculous idea i've heard.

[Mountain King]

Don't know about saving anything but I certainly wish Hamilton was driving for us. He is right now the best driver out there. Period. And he is also very lucky.

[WolfBlitzer]

This isn't a stupid thread. It is just like when Williams fans asked "why can't we sign Schumacher" during 1994-1997.

On paper he should be a perfect match. The fastest driver, never spoken ill againstFerrari and very flamboyant.

The problem is that he is a McLaren driver through and through. We also have at Ferrari probably the only driver that can compete against him on equal footing - a driver that he keeps his focus can build the team around himself and deliver the title.

[Greig]

All i can say to this thread is " T R O L L A L E R T"...
Thats the most ridiculous idea i've heard.

Hmmmm no more so than when people asked if Ferrari should sign Alonso in 2006 :-)

[sav_pap]

I think this thread should be removed...

[red5]

Don't know about saving anything but I certainly wish Hamilton was driving for us. He is right now the best driver out there. Period. And he is also very lucky.

He is also blessed by the FIA,so all things considered,could be a perfect match for us :-D

[goferrarigo]

I think this thread should be removed...
Agreed...

[watto2]

Perhaps Kubica would be a better choice to replace Alonso than Lewis ????

[Fiondella]

Never say never!

[WolfBlitzer]

Perhaps Kubica would be a better choice to replace Alonso than Lewis ????

Why Kubica. He wasn't any faster than Heidfeld at BMW and now he is much faster than Petrov which frankly means nothing.

[racingbradley]

O my God Hamiliton's head would never fit in the door to Maranello!!!!!! He would have gained a drive with the greatest team on earth-----every driver's wish. Uncle Ron could be his manager and Anthony could return as his press officer------sorted .:lol

[epiclyaddicted]

To the OP, I would like to know what you are smoking mate! Because it's certainly working! :-D

I will rather see us sign Petrov to be honest.

[epiclyaddicted]

O my God Hamiliton's head would never fit in the door to Maranello!

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[Ken]

[[SIZE="7"]WHAT????/SIZE]

NOOOOOOooooooo

Well Ramilton was trying to hug the Dom after the 1st race this year, Looking like he wanted to drive a shiny red car, Silver cars are sooo common on the roads these days.

Remember before Alonso came on board the wish list was for Sabasher Vettle ???

We got 2 good drivers and yesterdays race was a true case of throwing the bones in the air and looking at the seaweed for tyre choices sadly we got it all wrong for Nando. While I am not noted for being a "driver" fan but a "FERRARI" fan I think we have a good set up at the moment for a team. Could you see Ramilton realy working with Nando ???

Take the pills and the picture will be clearer after a good nights sleep ;-)

[Silent Bob]

Hmmmm no more so than when people asked if Ferrari should sign Alonso in 2006 :-)

Or Schumacher in 96.

No one wants the enemy in their car while he's the enemy... but if he does come here, he'll be accepted by most.

[killer]

Hmmmm no more so than when people asked if Ferrari should sign Alonso in 2006 :-)

Gotta love the Tifosi, no? :-) If he'll bring wins with him, why not? People act like Ferrari's always above hiring someone and quickly forget Ing. Ferrari himself was always on the lookout for the best drivers out there. And seriously, why not debate the post on its merits (or lack thereof) instead of insulting the poster? Or are we above sensible discussion as well?

[Rob]

its not silly idea, strange things do happen in the world of F1. In 2-3 years who knows what or or we will be looking for and wanting to drive for us. Deep down every driver in the world would like (want) to drive a Ferrari, road car, GT car and F1 cars. Only time will tell.

I never liked Alonso before he joined Ferrari, now i love him as much as Felipe. No point saying never happen or i hate him driving for us, if he does and if he wins and wins WDC great. We dont now what LCDM will be looking for in couple years. Think that would sit really well with Mclaren:lol if he does join. We the only team that could afford him anyway.

[Hermann]

To lure Hamilton away from McLaren would surely be a massive blow for them! That way, its fun to think about it- but for the next years such 'dreams' will stay dreams.

Not to forget its not only the driver, you know. Its the team. The race engineers, the people working at the factory, the directors...screw Hamiltons strategy and you will get similar results, no? I for sure will never forget China 2007...

Hamilton is not, by any means, 'error-free'. This season he has also been favoured a lot by steward decisions. While Fernando/Ferrari have been shot.

[Tech_Skill]

Or Schumacher in 96.

No one wants the enemy in their car while he's the enemy... but if he does come here, he'll be accepted by most.

Hmmm, I was going to do a thread on this too to see what people think.

Though I believe at current Hamilton is the best in F1, but I would say NO, I would like Ferrari to continue with Alonso.

Having that said I believe if Ferrari show a real interest in Hamilton they can get him for sure, every driver wants to know what its like to drive for Ferrari, and I believe Hamilton is no different.

Right now I think would prefer to stick with Alonso actually, he is 100% committed to the Ferrari cause and I think Ferrari needs to work on the support they give Alonso and Alonso needs to work on not letting the pressure get to him as much as it has this season.

Even with Schumacher it took time I guess.

However, this is a very interesting question, last year this would have been totally OUT OF THE QUESTION, but I think in a year or two, you will begin to see alot more talk about this, I dont believe Hamilton is gonna be at Mclaren for life at all world titles or not.

[RedRebel40]

he is good, why not?

[NJB13]

Gregory, there are quite a few crack-heads who'd like to know where to get some of whatever you were smoking when you posted this thread

[Tech_Skill]

Gregory, there are quite a few crack-heads who'd like to know where to get some of whatever you were smoking when you posted this thread

I think Hamilton to Ferrari is a REAL possibility.

Give it 2 years.

I hope it doesn't Happen, and we win with Alonso,

But Luca goes for the best, If Hamilton is still winning titles in a few years, Ferrari will approach him 110%.

[gvsnraju85]

Or Shumacher in 96.

No one wants the enemy in their car while he's the enemy... but if he does come here, he'll be accepted by most.

Not by 'most' but by EveryBody....remember how schumi was the hero to most of us when he was with Ferrari and now the same people curse him to death...................... hell i never wanted Nando to join Ferrai when he was beating old schumi black and blue on the tracks but now i have no issues...................but the truth is Nando and Hamilton can never survive in the same team. Why are we blaming the drivers anyways???? First Ferrari should give a competitive car to the drivers and then lets see who wins.........remember the days when we used to innovate and everybody used to copy and even our strategies were spot on, pit stops were perfect (fastest of all)....now its the other way around......WHY.

We started this season with the second best car if not the best car(best has been Red Bull no doubt) and see where we have landed up now and couple that with all the strategic mistakes (Malaysia/ SPA) and the lack of luck (Canada/ Valencia/Silverstone)..... we have had the entire season......we first need to get around these things and then we can blame the drivers as much as we want

[Stormsearcher]

Hmmmm no more so than when people asked if Ferrari should sign Alonso in 2006 :-)

lol.. while that may be, but i saw the num of posts made by the thread starter and it was looking like he signed up just to needle the club. :-!

[Agron]

I see some major trolling in this thread, not because of the notion of Ham driving for Ferrari, which may happen at some point, but the reasons given by the op which clearly establishes this as a bash thread. Seems the usual suspects saw it for what it is, and couldn't stop from giving their support too.

[Stormsearcher]

What i dont understand is why is everyone talking about replacing Fernando????? Firstly the season is not over, Anything can happen and we are not really out of it yet... and secondly if winning it was that easy kimi/massa should have won it every year since schumi quit. This is ridiculous.

Thirdly, lets face it, the car has been far from perfect for most part of the season.. so why suddenly is it fully alonsos fault. Sure he has made mistakes this season which are uncharacteristic, but then he is only human... and frankly speaking, he is the smartest driver out there. Hamilton is very good, but he will never be the complete package that alonso is.

Ferrari knew what they were doing when they hired alonso (while paying Kimi i might add). Give him time and ur faith. We have the best driver in the field, all things considered, and no one can fill his shoes at the moment or for another 3 yrs.

[Suzie]

I would rather have any driver in our car than Lewis Hamilton, don't care how good he is. He and McLaren are welcome to eachother.

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

if your on about replacing Alonso then BIG mistake!! Don't forget it took Schumacher 5 years to win a championship with Ferrari Alonso's time will come mark my words!!!

[Meiga]

Hamilton always seems to have a low point in a season where he says 'I'm thinking of quitting' etc. etc.

Why don't Ferrari save up, and next time Mclaren let him down and he's feeling low...offer him a massive Kimi Raikkonen sized deal to prise him away from his beloved Mclaren.

I think he's the only thing that can save us to be honest. Alonso seems to be doing nothing for us - Kubica replaced him at Renault and look how much better they got! If we could get a Massa Hamilton lineup that would be amazing! :-)
Quck question for you: do you do understand that Kubica is driving the R30 while Alonso was driving the R29? If you follow F1, you must be aware of how that makes their performances not directly comparable. Furthermore, I assume you do know that Renault F1 is no longer really Renault (the car manufacturer owns just 25% of the shares), but a team owned by a private company called Genii Capital, and that it has a new team director, Eric Boulier, and Bob Bell instead of Pat Symonds as technical director. I am a Kubica supporter and happy to praise him, but even I understand that he is not the only change in Renault F1, and that probably has an impact too - particularly seeing how the team and its employees now have a job stability that they were sorely lacking in 2009.

By the way, the R29 was actually a car the team was happy with after the first tests, until the FIA decided that the DD were to be approved and they became the way to go. The peculiarities of the design of the R29 made it particularly difficult to be fitted with the new diffuser, and their limited budget prevented them from advanding in the development as much as they wanted. Alonso was hardly to blame for this.

[GregoryJenkins]

Hamilton is a McLaren driver through and through, he is not leaving. On the other hand he is Senna's "self appointed" heir so he might want to end his career at Ferrari.

Having said that I think there is no question that Hamilton is the best driver in F1 today but Alonso is the second best and just needs to get his mojo back to be on top form again. Kubica lacks a spark, he is good driver but he is compared to the inexperienced Petrov which frankly isn't on the same level.

Alonso is best suited to Ferrari. We are just at a certain low point at the moment but it will come back.

Well, after Mclaren cheated in Australia I think he was pretty low. If Ferrari had gone in then I reckon we could have got him. The thing is, do we want him?

Is he quick enough? Yes
Does he respect Ferrari? Yes
Does he understand how to develop a car? Seems to!
A team player? As much as is needed

He may seem to be a Mclaren man at the moment, and I'm sure he is. But you never know what's round the corner. If you have another cheating incident (which come on, Mclaren? Bound to happen! :-P) then he could so easily become disaffectioned with them. Like he doesn't like his own dad now...

I reckon Hamilton could become a tifosi:
We recruited Raikkonen...from Mclaren!
we recruited Alonso...he beat Schumy in a Renault twice and then joined Mclaren!
We got Santander, who are now focusing on us rather than Mclaren.

Why not get Hamilton and screw Mclaren to the ground? Whilst getting ourselves probably the fastest driver in F1. They're hardly likely to get anywhere with just Jenson are they!

[lizard_nl]

Out of all the driver in F1, he's the last one i'd like to see in a Ferrari.

Can he drive - Yes.
Can he win us a championship - Yes.
Would I continue cheering for Ferrari - Yes.

[Meiga]

Well, after Mclaren cheated in Australia I think he was pretty low.

I was not particularly impressed by him (or his father, who was speaking on his behalf) at the time, and not because of what he did in Australia (which to an extent I understand) but because of his behaviour afterwards, presenting himself as the offended part and threatening to leave the sport if he did not get want what he wanted, and the team if he did not get a good car (apparently he did not value that much the fact that the team had given him the MP4-23 with which he won the WDC the previous year, and the MP4-22 that gave him a shot at the title in his first year in F1), all according to press reports. He also resented the treatment he received from the press and the fact that many at McLaren did not appreciate David Ryan being made the scapegoat to protect him.

"Anthony Hamilton is known to be furious that his son’s integrity has been called into question. He is also unhappy at the poor car McLaren have produced this year and bewildered by the team’s obvious talent for shooting themselves in both foot.
He raised his frustrations in a phone call with FIA president Max Mosley last Friday in which he is alleged to have threatened to pull Lewis out of the sport for good. There is also speculation that he may have struck some sort of ’plea bargain’ which would see Hamilton granted amnesty against further action in exchange for ’coming clean’. " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/mclaren/5121328/Lewis-Hamiltons-McLaren-ties-under-strain-as-FIA-lay-charges.html

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/28263/f1-mclaren-workers-angry-at-hamilton-quit-threat
http://sofiaecho.com/2009/04/09/703159_riches-to-rags-lewis-hamilton-to-leave-mclaren

[F1ferrarifanUSA]

Did anyone thought Kimi will join Ferrari when he was the golden boy of Mclaren? I know people hated him and when he came to us we all loved him. Everyone hated Alonso when he used to beat MS and no one really liked him even just before he came to Ferrari! So, I wont be suprised if Hamilton signs with Ferrari oneday and all these hypocrites will be supporting him when he wins for Us

[Meiga]

Did anyone thought Kimi will join Ferrari when he was the golden boy of Mclaren? I know people hated him and when he came to us we all loved him. Everyone hated Alonso when he used to beat MS and no one really liked him even just before he came to Ferrari! So, I wont be suprised if Hamilton signs with Ferrari oneday and all these hypocrites will be supporting him when he wins for Us

In all fairness, most of the Ferrari supporters here have acknowledged that they would continue supporting the team, whether they now like Hamilton or not - aren't you being a bit unfair by calling them hypocrites?

[Naeem]

We're missing the point ladies, Replacing Alonso is certainly not the right answer, he's clearly our superior driver (at present). Besides Hamilton (F1's second best driver) will never ever race for Ferrari. We need to give these new designers another season before we can judge their ability. Newey has gone back to an old school way of thinking where he pushes/bends as many rules as possible whereas our cars have been very "safe". Our current car is sturdy and survives Reubens Missiles, our championship winning cars were fairies.

Just to remind you of a few thing, the Toyota of '09 was 0.3 seconds per lap slower due to their engine against the brawn. They non the less got several front rows and locked out the front row at Bahrain, furthermore they saw the DDD loophole. In evolving the F10 all we've done is copy/paste ideas from other cars this year. Nowhere have we brought in new novel parts of Maranello design (ignore the wheel toys). Now that RB and McLAren have shown a precedent for bringing novel design to this year's cars and have set the standard, our designers must be pretty annoyed and must raise the bar themselves next year. . . I'm the perpetual optimist and I hope we can bring some new ideas for the F11, otherwise someone's gotta walk.

If we have to get someone in, we should get ROSS BRAWN

[Tifoso]

If we have to get someone in, we should get ROSS BRAWN

Agreed.

[Tifosi]

I've never understood why people think the solution to a team issue could ever be one person, unless they are the missing link that binds the team or the person who can build the team. Neither solution requires only that one person in reality. Mind you, people watch their televisions and believe that prime ministers and presidents actually make decisions that decide how countries are run so it makes sense i guess.

[Tifoso]

I've never understood why people think the solution to a team issue could ever be one person, unless they are the missing link that binds the team or the person who can build the team. Neither solution requires only that one person in reality. Mind you, people watch their televisions and believe that prime ministers and presidents actually make decisions that decide how countries are run so it makes sense i guess.

It isn't one, but it might be two :-D

Since Ross and Todt left we pretty much stink up the place. :-s

(Kimi's title was purely due to a car that had already been developed and Ramilton bad luck)

[Tifosi]

It isn't one, but it might be two :-D

Since Ross and Todt left we pretty much stink up the place. :-s

(Kimi's title was purely due to a car that had already been developed and Ramilton bad luck)


but you can't go back in time Lou and you cant pretend that Ross will plug the "non-specified" hole either. Things have moved on. Even if he wanted to come back, why would that suddenly make everything OK again? :Hmm

[Rob]

As Stu say, things have moved on. No more pounding around Fiorano day in day out no more tyre war. Which they both benefited us so so so much. No 1 person will make all right. If testing was allowed im sure we would make massive performance gains.

[Tifoso]

but you can't go back in time Lou and you cant pretend that Ross will plug the "non-specified" hole either. Things have moved on. Even if he wanted to come back, why would that suddenly make everything OK again? :Hmm

True mate.

Could he do any worse than what we are doing now, though? :-s

[Tifoso]

As Stu say, things have moved on. No more pounding around Fiorano day in day out no more tyre war. Which they both benefited us so so so much. No 1 person will make all right. If testing was allowed im sure we would make massive performance gains.

But the others face the same ban mate, and they develop no problem. Look what Red Bull has done in a short amount of time...

[Alonsomaniac]

Hamilton will come a Ferraridriver.........the day Ferraris will turn silver.

[REDARMYSOJA]

True mate.

Could he do any worse than what we are doing now, though? :-s

We could be in Mercedes position.

[hogo]

If such thing happen I would support Ferrari no more! He's a liar, spoiled mofo, in short he's a disgrace to this sport. There are many other, much better drivers who in fact aren't so lucky to be driving in the top team.. So yeah this synthetic "champion" would be the worst signing EVER.

[Tifoso]

We could be in Mercedes position.

Good point, sir.

[Rob]

But the others face the same ban mate, and they develop no problem. Look what Red Bull has done in a short amount of time...

yeah good point mate. But they did start off with a great car, as we started with a good car. No excuses really, we have been slow. I hope Pat Fry can bring some good things to the table and help get us back where we should be. Once all team is gelling together again we will be dominating.

[Tifosi]

I think Rob's point about the testing is very true. Ferrari thrived on their testing and they don't seem to be quite as canny as some of the other teams now that it comes to fighting under limited testing. Others factors are vital too of course.

Personally, I think we had a UNIQUE chemistry with MS, Todt, Byrne & Ross. These kind of "amalgums" don't reform just cos you get one (or even two) of the constituent elements back again. Mercedes are finding that out right now.

Still, it's tempting to want those skills back in the fold i'll admit but I think time has moved on with that one.

[FFFerrari]

Funny stuff this thread...

But thinking realistically, if Alonso doesn't bring the meat next year it WILL be considered who will replace him. Massa will be out eventually be replaced, by whom is a mystery but it won't be a so-called leading driver. Alonso doesn't fit in a team where he has competition and isn't pampered until end (see what happened durin 2007) so if he doesn't step up the team will start looking for a replacement that can bring home the bacon. And the list isn't very long:

1) Lewis Hamilton. One time WDC and finishing strongly every year. Obviously has some baggage, but I think he would a good fit.
2) Robert Kubica. The most improved driver, but is he good enough to lead a team? Only time will tell.
3) Sebastian Vettel. The little Schumacher, a logical fit. Still too green, but in two years?

That is my short list. Webber is too old, Button isn't even considered, Raikkonen and Schumacher Senior have burned bridges behind them when it comes to Ferrari. The younger generation just isn't good enough. Of course there is the remote chance that Felipe get his act together and starts to fight but I doubt it.

And remember, the way the business world is turning Santander might find itself in really deep soon and pull the plug off from the heavy sponsorship of Ferrari and McL and things might look a bit different then. But speculation is fun, ain't it?

[Tifoso]

Kubica-Vettel would be fantastic (assuming both our boys leave).

I do not want Ramilton in a Ferrari.

[Andy]

Really, really all the music in this thread makes me sad. What a waste of (negative) messages. :-(

Stand up, rossos, our fighting spirit cannot be broken so easily, so quickly!

Ciao and forza all :-)

[Tifoso]

Really, really all the music in this thread makes me sad. What a waste of (negative) messages. :-(

Stand up, rossos, our fighting spirit cannot be broken so easily, so quickly!

Ciao and forza all :-)

I am as optimistic a person as anyone I know. :-)

We are running out of time. Again.

[Stormsearcher]

Did anyone thought Kimi will join Ferrari when he was the golden boy of Mclaren? I know people hated him and when he came to us we all loved him. Everyone hated Alonso when he used to beat MS and no one really liked him even just before he came to Ferrari! So, I wont be suprised if Hamilton signs with Ferrari oneday and all these hypocrites will be supporting him when he wins for Us

The day lewis joins Ferrari, i think the team will lose a lot of supporters.. beginning with me. He is the very last person we should hire.

[Raz]

Come on people.. have some faith in your two drivers.. it took Michael (and Rubens) a good 4 years since he joined to take Ferrari up to the dominant level they reached

[Naeem]

Come on people.. have some faith in your two drivers.. it took Michael (and Rubens) a good 4 years since he joined to take Ferrari up to the dominant level they reached

Those 4 years were spent over coming the often second lap advantage of the williams in a vastly inferior car. McLaren got their act together also. The current crop of drivers are in already top teams, the very best team! I don't see Alonso under-achieving whilst Felipe does so to some small extent. The problem is with the car.

You say that one person cant make a difference, look at what Alex furguson does for Manchester United, Jose Mourinho for Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, what Tom Brady does for the New England Patriots, Johny Wilkinson did for Engalnd. People can carry a team or spark a change. Obviously in F1 this is vastly different however, look at what hamilton did for McLaren last year, he carried their team. Since Adrian Newey went to Jaguar then RB, that car has improved light years.

Essentially my two cents are that we need creativity, the creativity to create mass damper, flexi wings, Renault Launch control, DD, Blown DD, f-ducts. Ingenuity is brought about through hardship so perhaps we've had too much success that caused us to become complacent. Next year will be different otherwise our R&D department need to go back to school.

Next year i expect to see a Ferrari with a liquid front wing that will pass the FIA test, Golf ball style perforations around the body, a flex floor and actuated suspension (illegal) but i'm sure there's a way round it, movable floor. We need to bend our technology in order to bend the rules and be fast.
Ingenuity

BTW what on earth happened with those fuel upgrades we were supposed to be using form shell???

[Ken]

We're missing the point ladies,

Naem I agree with the content of your post, the drivers are not allways to blame. The designers have a huge part to play in any F1 team.

Having followed F1 since 1958 and supported Ferrari, back then it was scant newspaper articles, then Black and white TV (man sad no red visible) and finaly colour YAY :)

In that time it has been notable that British designers seem to lead the way in development, early aero (streamlining ) giving us cigar shaped F1's, Colin Chapman gave us the monocoque chassis we lead on the early wings, then the wedge shapes to get more down force, wind tunnels to help clean up shapes or use the excess BHP for more down force. Which is why most of the cars on the grid are built in England. With Pat Fry leading the design team maybe we in Ferrari will get some of that English ingenuity.

As for Ferrari as an OAP shelter for racing drivers, I think its a case of LESS of the old please, yes Ferrari are very open about recruiting the talented driver who has a proven record, but those drivers have allways been seasoned professionals who have a passion for racing and want to drive the red cars more than for any other team. So Ramilton im glad to say does not fit he only banzi's cars round tracks for his own glory.

[evo_spook]

but those drivers have allways been seasoned professionals who have a passion for racing and want to drive the red cars more than for any other team. So Ramilton im glad to say does not fit he only banzi's cars round tracks for his own glory.


You don't like Alonso either then?

[evo_spook]

The day lewis joins Ferrari, i think the team will lose a lot of supporters.

If true, then there is something suspect with the supporters. Lewis is no worse or better then many other drivers, the only bad point on here is he is driving for the rival team.

[Tifoso]

If true, then there is something suspect with the supporters. Lewis is no worse or better then many other drivers, the only bad point on here is he is driving for the rival team.

Respectfully, he is a complete jackass.

I, too, would take time off from F1 if Ferrari brought him to the team.

[F1ferrarifanUSA]

Come on people.. have some faith in your two drivers.. it took Michael (and Rubens) a good 4 years since he joined to take Ferrari up to the dominant level they reached

Raz! dont you think it was different when MS took over ferrari? basically he built the team with Todt and brawn and made it to a dominant team. When Alonso went to Ferrari they already have everything to make a champion! I am not a hater of Fernando! i am just disappointed from his mistakes through out this season! If Kubica can perform and be consistent on a slower car why cant Fernando with a better car? but I still have faith on both of our drivers!

[killer]

Respectfully, he is a complete jackass.

I, too, would take time off from F1 if Ferrari brought him to the team.

But you have to admit, my friend, that jackass has been handing to it us for some time now. I'm not advocating a driver change--just discussing the post at hand.

[NJB13]

When Alonso went to Ferrari they already have everything to make a champion!

Wow! You got that right, that F60 was a genuine championship winning car :rotfl

[F1ferrarifanUSA]

Wow! You got that right, that F60 was a genuine championship winning car :rotfl

Are you following formula 1? F60 has nothing to do with Fernando! But F10 is a competitive car which is made for him! Imagine if Kimi had this car last year............ He won Spa with that F60, now that is talent!!!!

[mad_ani]

Wow! You got that right, that F60 was a genuine championship winning car :rotfl

Yes it is...winter testing showed our pace, but were behind the teams in the development race and after silverstone, we are well within 0.5 sec of Redbull

Rest of it is down to drivers and the car setup.We have a strong car witha good base line setup.

[mad_ani]

Those 4 years were spent over coming the often second lap advantage of the williams in a vastly inferior car. McLaren got their act together also. The current crop of drivers are in already top teams, the very best team! I don't see Alonso under-achieving whilst Felipe does so to some small extent. The problem is with the car.

You say that one person cant make a difference, look at what Alex furguson does for Manchester United, Jose Mourinho for Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, what Tom Brady does for the New England Patriots, Johny Wilkinson did for Engalnd. People can carry a team or spark a change. Obviously in F1 this is vastly different however, look at what hamilton did for McLaren last year, he carried their team. Since Adrian Newey went to Jaguar then RB, that car has improved light years.

Essentially my two cents are that we need creativity, the creativity to create mass damper, flexi wings, Renault Launch control, DD, Blown DD, f-ducts. Ingenuity is brought about through hardship so perhaps we've had too much success that caused us to become complacent. Next year will be different otherwise our R&D department need to go back to school.

Next year i expect to see a Ferrari with a liquid front wing that will pass the FIA test, Golf ball style perforations around the body, a flex floor and actuated suspension (illegal) but i'm sure there's a way round it, movable floor. We need to bend our technology in order to bend the rules and be fast.
Ingenuity

BTW what on earth happened with those fuel upgrades we were supposed to be using form shell???


Well certain innovations have been missing, but some have come up. I hope we are considering this for next years car...like the pull rod as we are reverting back to single deck diffuser...or an automatic f duct without the driver intervention, an awesome KERS which will also help the 599 Hybrid...

Golf ball perforations wouldnt massively help....launch control is banned as they have standard ECU...so is active suspension.

[Tifoso]

But you have to admit, my friend, that jackass has been handing to it us for some time now. I'm not advocating a driver change--just discussing the post at hand.


He has, kaibigan. But only when he has the best car, and by a good margin. ;-)

He is certainly a very, very, very good driver....in the top 5 on the grid. Great, though? Nope.

[NJB13]

Are you following formula 1? F60 has nothing to do with Fernando! But F10 is a competitive car which is made for him! Imagine if Kimi had this car last year............ He won Spa with that F60, now that is talent!!!!

Err, you were the one that said when Fernando went to Ferrari he "already had everything to make a champion". The car they had was the F60, the F10 hit the track after Fernando arrived and Fernando and Felipe developed it during the allowed testing period.
You said MS took four years after he arrived to develop from the previous car. Fernando has gone from a starting point of the F60 to what he and Felipe have developed the F10 to in "one" year.
Now, if you wanna go back to your love affair with Kimi-history you're welcome to it my friend. He was a good driver who performed well in one race in 2009. But if I were you I wouldn't talk about the rest of his 2009 :lol

[NJB13]

He has, kaibigan. But only when he has the best car, and by a good margin. ;-)

He is certainly a very, very, very good driver....in the top 5 on the grid. Great, though? Nope.

Killer, I have to agree with Tifoso on this one, LH is an OK driver. His performances are enhanced because he has a very good car and is heavily favored by his team and some very dubious officiating.
Ingat sayo!

[Raz]

Those 4 years were spent over coming the often second lap advantage of the williams in a vastly inferior car. McLaren got their act together also. The current crop of drivers are in already top teams, the very best team! I don't see Alonso under-achieving whilst Felipe does so to some small extent. The problem is with the car.

You say that one person cant make a difference, look at what Alex furguson does for Manchester United, Jose Mourinho for Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, what Tom Brady does for the New England Patriots, Johny Wilkinson did for Engalnd. People can carry a team or spark a change. Obviously in F1 this is vastly different however, look at what hamilton did for McLaren last year, he carried their team. Since Adrian Newey went to Jaguar then RB, that car has improved light years.

Essentially my two cents are that we need creativity, the creativity to create mass damper, flexi wings, Renault Launch control, DD, Blown DD, f-ducts. Ingenuity is brought about through hardship so perhaps we've had too much success that caused us to become complacent. Next year will be different otherwise our R&D department need to go back to school.

Next year i expect to see a Ferrari with a liquid front wing that will pass the FIA test, Golf ball style perforations around the body, a flex floor and actuated suspension (illegal) but i'm sure there's a way round it, movable floor. We need to bend our technology in order to bend the rules and be fast.
Ingenuity

BTW what on earth happened with those fuel upgrades we were supposed to be using form shell???

True dude, it does show that you need "leaders" with in a Team, mind you, overall the F10 does look a bit conservative compared to either the Mclaren, or Redbull, one thing no has yet touched on is the PULL ROD suspension on the RB as opposed to the standard Push rod..
Ferrari in terms of Tech Design, and "pushing the outside of the envelope" haven't really come with a novel Idea in recent years.

[steelstallions]

If true, then there is something suspect with the supporters. Lewis is no worse or better then many other drivers, the only bad point on here is he is driving for the rival team.

Sorry but the character flaws in Lewis IMHO are not ones that will ever change. They are in the realm of Irvine who could not control his mouth when attacking what the team produced, Lewis can only be Lewis and that is what I dislike about him. Irvine at least had some of the charm of the Irish about him so he was harder to dislike when he would say the car was crap.

Certain things about Lewis are no worse or better than other drivers, but its the things I don't like about him that stand out and they do not seem like things that will change with a move to us. Irvine couldn't change, this was more than proven when Brawn came out with immortal line "When Eddie was jet-skiing and poncing around nightclubs, Michael was liaising with the FIA and circuits in order to improve safety for all the drivers."

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/10024/brawn-blasts-irvine/

[killer]

He has, kaibigan. But only when he has the best car, and by a good margin. ;-)

He is certainly a very, very, very good driver....in the top 5 on the grid. Great, though? Nope.

I will agree, kaibigan. But put it this way: if, for some odd reason, Felipe and Fernando suddenly retired tomorrow, I don't think it necessarily bad if Ferrari had him on their shopping list.

[Raz]

I will agree, kaibigan. But put it this way: if, for some odd reason, Felipe and Fernando suddenly retired tomorrow, I don't think it necessarily bad if Ferrari had him on their shopping list.

ok.. i'll photoshop our "good friend" Hami in the red.. then we'll see

[killer]

Killer, I have to agree with Tifoso on this one, LH is an OK driver. His performances are enhanced because he has a very good car and is heavily favored by his team and some very dubious officiating.
Ingat sayo!

Stormin' N! Kumusta? Far from being an apologist for the Hambone here but he as flaky as the bloke is, he is a world champion. He may have won it under... hmmn... "special" circumstances but things are what they are, mate. Maybe no different from Fernando winning 2005 largely due to tyres and Michael getting his titles because he was the Team's favored son. So yeah, like I said to Tifoso--I don't really think it to be a major catastrophe if Lewis drove for Ferrari... as long as he delivers. Ingat din!

[Raz]

Stormin' N! Kumusta? Far from being an apologist for the Hambone here but yeah, like I said to Tifoso--I don't really think it to be a major catastrophe if Lewis drove for Ferrari... as long as he delivers. Ingat din!

yeah but Lewser has the unique ability to "OVER DRIVE" hehe which can both be good and bad

[Ken]

eve_ Dont put words on my keyboard :-P

I did not mention Alonso, and I do have a lot of respect for him, he is a class driver who thinks his way round a track.

Sadly the FIA or Charlie Whitless seem to have a desire to over penalise him for offences that other drivers get off with ( The ides are not rolling with him at the moment, but that will change )

Then he will be up there with all the Ferrari heroes from the past like Fangio, Senna, Schumacher etc

I also believe Massa will get his day in the sun in the shiny red car. I hope so

[epiclyaddicted]

Those 4 years were spent over coming the often second lap advantage of the williams in a vastly inferior car. McLaren got their act together also. The current crop of drivers are in already top teams, the very best team! I don't see Alonso under-achieving whilst Felipe does so to some small extent. The problem is with the car.

You say that one person cant make a difference, look at what Alex furguson does for Manchester United, Jose Mourinho for Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, what Tom Brady does for the New England Patriots, Johny Wilkinson did for Engalnd. People can carry a team or spark a change. Obviously in F1 this is vastly different however, look at what hamilton did for McLaren last year, he carried their team. Since Adrian Newey went to Jaguar then RB, that car has improved light years.


Fair point, but it took Sir Alex Ferguson five years before he won his first trophy with Manchester United. Same for Adrian Newey at Red Bull - didn't happen overnight, did it? And it was really the massive changes in regulations last year that caught out the big teams and allowed Red Bull to pull out and create a big advantage.

Since the departures of Byrne, Brawn, Todt, Schumacher, Ferrari are going through a restructuring period. And it will take a bit of time, but we WILL get there.

Just think about where we were this point last season? At least now we are able to fight for the Championship, which is a decent achievement in itself as Red Bull finished last season with by far the fastest car and has just been evolving and developing on that. We on the other hand, had to completely abandon the F60 and start from scratch. So if you look at it this way, we have already made quite a lot of ground!

As for the remaining few tenths, we will get there soon. Just have faith in the Cavallino Rampante. ;-)

[Tifoso]

Should Ferrari save up and try to sign Hamilton?

No.

I will continue to post this periodically. This ends your public service announcement. You will be returned to your regulary programmed thread in a moment.

[Naeem]

Perhaps this years car is our fault? Weird logic but but bare with me. Imagine how we would have felt if our F10 was relatively speaking pace-wise very similar to the F60. I put it to you that ferrari have gone conservative, our car isn't slippery in a straight line, handles high speed corners like the titanic and doesn't do anything particularly well apart from accelerate (basically we put all our weight over the back wheels).

Why might this have occurred? well can you imagine how it would have went down in italy had our car bombed? essentially ferrari haven't gone radical in terms of design in order to avoid catastrophic failure which keeps Stefano and Co. away from the hangman's noose. It would have been embarrassing if we were racing Torro Roso like we were at many points last year.

[mad_ani]

^^Ferrari tried to attempt a Brawn by chucking the development of F60.They didnt get too far ahead of the other teams and I'd say that our aero program was far less aggressive than Renault. its simple.we were behind in the development race when it mattered. We struggled in Turkey. We do not adapt to changing conditions quickly enough..but we get there strong

Driver errors have also cost us big time, and a bit of bad luck..esp those of Fernando who was caught out in Valencia with SC car. His mistakes in China, Belgium Monaco and Silvestone have cost the team. Without these errors ,he'd be much ahead in the championship race. Massa's struggle with hard tires hasnt heled WCC chances as well..Not to mention that we still have to go to WMSC...:furious

Would Hamilton be really worth it??He did push a car which was struggling last year to third place(1 pt ahead of us :()He is definately good..no doubt..I'd say give him 2 more years and he would hopefully have matured a bit more and then bring him in...

[WolfBlitzer]

Firstly Tifoso you won't need to lose any sleep at night. There is no way that Hamilton will be driving for Ferrari in the near future. He is McLaren through and through.

Having said that he is in my opinion not only the best driver on the grid but also by far the most exciting. :clap

Nevertheless Alonso is the perfect fit for Ferrari now, he just needs to sprinkle a bit more of his team building magic onto the team and then everything will be alright. Alonso is Prost reborn, (hopefully the 1990 version :clap ) but the team has to deliver too, and I feel that has been lacking. :Hmm

[killer]

Should Ferrari save up and try to sign Hamilton?

No.

I will continue to post this periodically. This ends your public service announcement. You will be returned to your regulary programmed thread in a moment.

Hahaha :-)

I think I should qualify my comments to better suit the thread--thanks for the reminder, Lou. Hambone's an OK choice IF there is a choice to be made, but for Ferrari to "save up" and actively pursue him: No.

[brembo man]

Look at how he's doing, points! driving in the wet! Determinaton! Wiilingness to do a Michael [cheat] at any moment! Total end results= he's a winner !!
Now check out Vettel, he had his team 100% behind him,just ask Webber, he's driving a rocketship!! He's known througout his country as Shumy Jr. He's Buttons buddy.:rotfl:rotfl . Yet how many fasns would rather him at Ferrari than Lewis? I just can't figure out why?

[KurtC]

hmmm i never thought i would see a thread title like that ... specially in a ferrari forums... but
NO that's really difficult to happen... and as much as Lewis might be a "great" driver.... i don't see him in Ferrari... and honestly this year it doesn't matter if you have Hamilton... Vettel or Schumacher in the car.... the result wouldn't change last year proved more than ever than is the car not the driver.... and Hamilton finishing was not 100 % Lewis merits... McLaren improved throught out the year... as most of the teams did (Raikonnen was who scored more points in the second half of the championship).... i would say if we want results.. start with the car, engineers, team .... rather than trying to waste money singing whoever might look "good" this season... :-??

[Naeem]

Look at how he's doing, points! driving in the wet! Determinaton! Wiilingness to do a Michael [cheat] at any moment! Total end results= he's a winner !!
Now check out Vettel, he had his team 100% behind him,just ask Webber, he's driving a rocketship!! He's known througout his country as Shumy Jr. He's Buttons buddy.:rotfl:rotfl . Yet how many fasns would rather him at Ferrari than Lewis? I just can't figure out why?

Ok so Alonso drove for the enemy but Renault in the entire history of F1 have been nothing more than a sore thumb. McLaren on the other hand have been the Sauron to our Aragorn, the Itchy to our Scratchy, the Payton Manning to our Tom Brady, The hitler to our Churchil, The Cuba to our America, The Lucifer to our Jesus, you get the point. Ferrari is all about heart and hiring someone who hurt us all so deeply in 2008 wouldn't work with the Tifosi. Again, Hamilton has no desire to ever drive for ferrari, he may want to drive a ferrari once we make ours into a rocketship but that's probably only for testing purposes.

As for this Vettel love, I completely agree with the anti-vettel sentiment. Vettel has made as many mistakes in his three or so years as MS did in his entire 15 years. Its just plain dumb to compare the two. May as well compare David Coulthard with Jackie Stewart if Vettel/MS is comparable. Lets face it, David coulthard couldn't catch a cold.

Anyone think its possible to have a short wheelbase ferrari? Like the McLaren of 07/08. Our efforts at long wheel base pointy at the front/bit loose at the back cars haven't really worked since MS departed.

[mad_ani]

Ok so Alonso drove for the enemy but Renault in the entire history of F1 have been nothing more than a sore thumb. McLaren on the other hand have been the Sauron to our Aragorn, the Itchy to our Scratchy, the Payton Manning to our Tom Brady, The hitler to our Churchil, The Cuba to our America, The Lucifer to our Jesus, you get the point. Ferrari is all about heart and hiring someone who hurt us all so deeply in 2008 wouldn't work with the Tifosi. Again, Hamilton has no desire to ever drive for ferrari, he may want to drive a ferrari once we make ours into a rocketship but that's probably only for testing purposes.

As for this Vettel love, I completely agree with the anti-vettel sentiment. Vettel has made as many mistakes in his three or so years as MS did in his entire 15 years. Its just plain dumb to compare the two. May as well compare David Coulthard with Jackie Stewart if Vettel/MS is comparable. Lets face it, David coulthard couldn't catch a cold.

Anyone think its possible to have a short wheelbase ferrari? Like the McLaren of 07/08. Our efforts at long wheel base pointy at the front/bit loose at the back cars haven't really worked since MS departed.

Well its not an optional to have sa short wheel base anymore....they have to accommodate the fuel tank and KERS from next year..why would we want an oversteery car...most prefer to fight understeer than have an unstable car...

Didnt Alonso hurt the Tifosi when he beat Schumi in 2006 (Japan) ???its the same with Lewis...Tifosi hated Alonso esp when he was involved in the spy scandal...and yes..we do find Lewis cocky...

[Alfettafan]

Should Ferrari save up and try to sign Hamilton?

No.

I will continue to post this periodically. This ends your public service announcement. You will be returned to your regulary programmed thread in a moment.

Totally agree with this - Hamilton is an arrogant . No way should Ferrari consider signing him - we should be concentrating on building and continually developing THE BEST car to allow both our drivers to challenge for the title(s)...

[Tifoso]

Hahaha :-)

I think I should qualify my comments to better suit the thread--thanks for the reminder, Lou. Hambone's an OK choice IF there is a choice to be made, but for Ferrari to "save up" and actively pursue him: No.


There ya go :-)

[aroutis]

Should Ferrari save up and try to sign Hamilton?

No.

I will continue to post this periodically. This ends your public service announcement. You will be returned to your regulary programmed thread in a moment.:lol
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000

[vagos]

never ever hamster to ferrari!!!!!!!!!!

[Tech_Skill]

Totally agree with this - Hamilton is an arrogant . No way should Ferrari consider signing him - we should be concentrating on building and continually developing THE BEST car to allow both our drivers to challenge for the title(s)...


Listen, I prefer for Alonso to win titles with Ferrari, but lets get real here, If i said to you in mid 2006 would you want Fernando Alonso to drive for Ferrari, the overwhelming answer would have been NO WAY, he was the anti ferrari back then, less than 3 years later, the tifosi have really warmed to him.

Ferrari back winners, Hamilton, like him or not, is a winner, if he is still winning in a few years time and Alonso isnt, Ferrari are going to make the phonecall, and Lewis is gonna have a real good think about it, because Ferrari is the PINNACLE and he knows it.

In an ideal world, i would rather Alonso drives lewis into an early retirement and Im telling you now, once Alonso gets on a roll, he is gonna be VERY difficult to stop, I think he has a little self doubt amoungst other things from 2007, I think once he deciseively beat Hamilton on track aka, passes him and beats him in an inferior car and then wins the race...or something like that, I think his confidence will rise ten fold. With Fernando his issues are mental, he has the ability.

[Tifoso]

I have thought about this, and my answer is

NO

:lou

[Tech_Skill]

I have thought about this, and my answer is

NO

:lou

:lol

Your Answer maybe no, but in a few years time, if circumstances change, Mr Di Montezemolo is going to have someone make that phonecall.

[Katu]

:lol

Your Answer maybe no, but in a few years time, if circumstances change, Mr Di Montezemolo is going to have someone make that phonecall.

i'm sure by then there'll be many more young talents... no need to make that phonecall to hamilton...

[Tifoso]

I will stop watching F1 while he races for us, then.

It would be like having DC after he tried to take Michael out at Indy.

ie,

http://www.davidsteel.org.uk/no_entry.png

[pilotHans]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...........:-!

just because he's currently doing well, doesn't mean we need to sign him....n just because alonso is facing some hick ups doesnt mean we need to offload him.......common guy..........give our two drive a couple of years, im sure our time will come.......felipe and alonso are full with heart......no arrogant material like that craneboy please :-! i would never forgive him......n im sure they will be many new young drivers lets say in 5years time !

stick with our current drivers please.........

[netlord]

Hamilton is a Mclaren boy, a RON Dennis BOY, how is he going to come to Ferrari?

[Tifoso]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...........:-!

...
.....

[red5]

Hamilton is a Mclaren boy, a RON Dennis BOY, how is he going to come to Ferrari?
We've witnessed even stranger things in F1.Prost,too,looked like a McLaren guy and ended in a Ferrari.

Anything can happen,even more if Alonso fails to deliver the goods.

[Brakefade]

What about that 11 year old prodigy from Canada? I think we should wait for someone like that before singing Hamilton.

[brembo man]

What about that 11 year old prodigy from Canada? I think we should wait for someone like that before singing Hamilton.

That's what Dennis did with Hamilton. I think he was 12.

[mad_ani]

What about that 11 year old prodigy from Canada? I think we should wait for someone like that before singing Hamilton.

We also have the GP2 guy Jules Bianchi...he hasnt done very well there and ended up with an accident in Hungary....Anyone has an idea when Ferrari has hired a rookie???

[Ant Raikkonen]

My honest opinion.
I think Hamilton could/would be good for Ferrari when he's a little older...more experienced in "life" (ie; fibbing less) and in "racing" (ie: less impetuous - i think he's getting there).
I feel he's a better driver than 2007 for example and he is very exiting to watch.... sometimes to his credit, sometimes to ours!! :rotfl
I reckon/fear he'll win at least another 2 WDC because he just has that natural talent and feel as a driver & racer and is head & shoulders above much of the grid.
I cannot, and will not ignore his clear natural talent & desire "just because it's Hamilton" :roll
In fact, my opinion is.... i can't choose between FA & LH as to who i feel is the best on the grid right now :Hmm

A great nemesis, without doubt.
The idea of him joining Ferrari in the future does exite me, just like the idea of Alonso joining did ;-)

[NJB13]

I wouldn't have Hamilton for the same reason I wouldn't put Ben Johnson into a running team or Nancy Kerrigan on a skating team.

[brembo man]

My honest opinion.
I think Hamilton could/would be good for Ferrari when he's a little older...more experienced in "life" (ie; fibbing less) and in "racing" (ie: less impetuous - i think he's getting there).
I feel he's a better driver than 2007 for example and he is very exiting to watch.... sometimes to his credit, sometimes to ours!! :rotfl
I reckon/fear he'll win at least another 2 WDC because he just has that natural talent and feel as a driver & racer and is head & shoulders above much of the grid.
I cannot, and will not ignore his clear natural talent & desire "just because it's Hamilton" :roll
In fact, my opinion is.... i can't choose between FA & LH as to who i feel is the best on the grid right now :Hmm

A great nemesis, without doubt.
The idea of him joining Ferrari in the future does exite me, just like the idea of Alonso joining did ;-)

A excelent profile of Lewis ! He belongs in red ! Do you realize that everything you said also applied to Michael comming up and at his best. Fibbing and impetuous definately included . The makings of a true champion !

[Mrs Spanky]

Agreed! Hamilton booooooo! lol.. :-)

[Raz]

:lol Ham.. he's the perfect panto villian

[NJB13]

Agreed! Hamilton booooooo! lol.. :-)

Welcome to TSN Mrs Spanky, BTW, what's for dinner tonight :-)

[Tech_Skill]

I cannot, and will not ignore his clear natural talent & desire "just because it's Hamilton" :roll


End of thread.

Simply writing Hamilton off as lucky is not facing up to the issues, accepting he one of the great talents the sport has seen and finding a way to beat him is the way forward.

Like ive said a million times, I would prefer Ferrari to keep Alonso and I hope Alonso ends Hamiltons career, but Hamilton is one hell of a driver and if things dont work out with Alonso, Ferrari will be making enquiries.

Hopefully it never happens, but if it did, you could understand why,

[evo_spook]

I wouldn't have Hamilton for the same reason I wouldn't put Ben Johnson into a running team or Nancy Kerrigan on a skating team.

And yet they had Michael and Alonso :Hmm

[Tifoso]

http://www.2time-sys.com/2TimeBlog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/just_say_no.gif

[Ferrari_ fan]

I hate to admit it but he is one of the best drivers on the grid and so yes we should try to get him however I suspect the McLaren runs so deep in him that he will even go to bed in McCra* PJs

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

I hate to admit it but he is one of the best drivers on the grid and so yes we should try to get him however I suspect the McLaren runs so deep in him that he will even go to bed in McCra* PJs

yeah 1 of the best we also have 2 of them!!! Like i've said before this is Alonso's first year with the team it took Schumacher 5 Years to win the championship with us and that wasn't against so much competition like there is now. Mark my words Alonso WILL be Champion again!!

[Ferrari_ fan]

yeah 1 of the best we also have 2 of them!!! Like i've said before this is Alonso's first year with the team it took Schumacher 5 Years to win the championship with us and that wasn't against so much competition like there is now. Mark my words Alonso WILL be Champion again!!

Do you really think we will keep Massa beyond next year?
I think Alonso could be champion again but he has a lot of work to do, to win a title you have to not only believe you the best (Alonso have not problem in this dept) but you have to be the best and right now he doesn't believe in his talent if he does not believe he can beat another driver in the same car cleanly then how can he hope to beat drivers in what to be honest at this point in time are in better cars?

[Greig]

LOL :roll

[brembo man]

Alonso just has to keep clear of Vettel and let him knock out the other contenders. So faar he finished Button off.

[Stormsearcher]

Do you really think we will keep Massa beyond next year?
I think Alonso could be champion again but he has a lot of work to do, to win a title you have to not only believe you the best (Alonso have not problem in this dept) but you have to be the best and right now he doesn't believe in his talent if he does not believe he can beat another driver in the same car cleanly then how can he hope to beat drivers in what to be honest at this point in time are in better cars?

On the other forum i run, i have seen trolls.... First they gently ease into topics.. not taking any major sides.. always seem to be "fair" ... but somehow cant keep the hate/dislike disguised for too long. It comes out in subtle sentences, and someone who has been here long enuf will easily figure it out.
Am not saying you are a troll and am not saying u are not..... but am not buying into this BS of you being a Ferrari fan but you are a realist and fair to the sport and the "fans"... There is something amiss here. :-)

[Ant Raikkonen]

Alonso just has to keep clear of Vettel and let him knock out the other contenders. So faar he finished Button off.

:rotfl :haha: My observation too

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

Do you really think we will keep Massa beyond next year?
I think Alonso could be champion again but he has a lot of work to do, to win a title you have to not only believe you the best (Alonso have not problem in this dept) but you have to be the best and right now he doesn't believe in his talent if he does not believe he can beat another driver in the same car cleanly then how can he hope to beat drivers in what to be honest at this point in time are in better cars?

Yes i think we will Massa has had problems getting used to/warming up the hard tires. And i'm i right in thinking Massa has finished every single race this year??

[Ferrari_ fan]

On the other forum i run, i have seen trolls.... First they gently ease into topics.. not taking any major sides.. always seem to be "fair" ... but somehow cant keep the hate/dislike disguised for too long. It comes out in subtle sentences, and someone who has been here long enuf will easily figure it out.
Am not saying you are a troll and am not saying u are not..... but am not buying into this BS of you being a Ferrari fan but you are a realist and fair to the sport and the "fans"... There is something amiss here. :-)
Ok I can understand your points and I would be worried if I was you
Look to explain I have been following the sport for far longer than than I can remember and as I have said I have always followed Ferrari but I will admit it has been a passing interest for a great deal of the time but over the past few years my interest has grown but through all of that while I love the team it's history and all it has brought to the sport I will hold my hands up and say I am a F1 fan first and a Ferrari fan second and I would say that if Ferrari were to pick up and move somewhere else with events at the same time as F1 I admit I would have a hard time deciding but I would probably sit with F1 but I would not enjoy it as much.

The problem is that I have got my doubts about the team with the main issue been that I have a real problem with Alonso starting with when he won his first title and he removed his overalls to reveal a message saying "Schumacher Who?" showing it off to the cameras which showed a total lack of respect for Schumacher, the way he Abandoned Renault for McCra* and his conduct while he was with them was just awful and his involvement all be it indirectly with the whole Crash Gate and that is before you consider his tantrums this year, so yeah my faith in the team is wavering but I am still a Ferrari fan but I am not blind I just want to see Ferrari win on it's own merit we don't need to cheat we are better than that and it's what not only the Sport and the fans deserve but what the memory of Enzo Ferrari deserves he had a vision for the sport and with that he changed the world of F1 and I think some of what is happening would honestly make him turn in his grave he was a true gentleman and real icon for the sport.
yeah I am a realist and a fan of the sport but please don't doubt me been a Ferrari fan or been genuine I will admit I enjoy a good discussion based on facts and I will stand up for what I believe however I'm also open to be proven wrong but name calling or calling me a troll won't do it use facts however and if I'm wrong I will say I'm wrong, I don't know perhaps I'm in the wrong forum to be able to talk about the truth but for me I see far more value in a team that conducts itself properly and can admit it's mistakes than a team which can do no wrong.

[Ferrari_ fan]

Yes i think we will Massa has had problems getting used to/warming up the hard tires. And i'm i right in thinking Massa has finished every single race this year??

I hope your right he has given so much to the team and when you consider his accident last year he has done well and your right

Bah 2
Aus 3
Mal 7
Chn 9
Esp 6
Mon 4
Tur 7
Can 15
Eur 11
GBR 15
Ger 2
Hun 4
Bel 4

In fact ignoring Hungary (which he didn't start) his last retirement was China Last year!

[Raz]

End of thread.

Simply writing Hamilton off as lucky is not facing up to the issues, accepting he one of the great talents the sport has seen and finding a way to beat him is the way forward.

Like ive said a million times, I would prefer Ferrari to keep Alonso and I hope Alonso ends Hamiltons career, but Hamilton is one hell of a driver and if things dont work out with Alonso, Ferrari will be making enquiries.

Hopefully it never happens, but if it did, you could understand why,

he may well be a hell of a driver.. but team stability is more important

[Fiondella]

Ok I can understand your points and I would be worried if I was you
Look to explain I have been following the sport for far longer than than I can remember and as I have said I have always followed Ferrari but I will admit it has been a passing interest for a great deal of the time but over the past few years my interest has grown but through all of that while I love the team it's history and all it has brought to the sport I will hold my hands up and say I am a F1 fan first and a Ferrari fan second and I would say that if Ferrari were to pick up and move somewhere else with events at the same time as F1 I admit I would have a hard time deciding but I would probably sit with F1 but I would not enjoy it as much.

The problem is that I have got my doubts about the team with the main issue been that I have a real problem with Alonso starting with when he won his first title and he removed his overalls to reveal a message saying "Schumacher Who?" showing it off to the cameras which showed a total lack of respect for Schumacher, the way he Abandoned Renault for McCra* and his conduct while he was with them was just awful and his involvement all be it indirectly with the whole Crash Gate and that is before you consider his tantrums this year, so yeah my faith in the team is wavering but I am still a Ferrari fan but I am not blind I just want to see Ferrari win on it's own merit we don't need to cheat we are better than that and it's what not only the Sport and the fans deserve but what the memory of Enzo Ferrari deserves he had a vision for the sport and with that he changed the world of F1 and I think some of what is happening would honestly make him turn in his grave he was a true gentleman and real icon for the sport.
yeah I am a realist and a fan of the sport but please don't doubt me been a Ferrari fan or been genuine I will admit I enjoy a good discussion based on facts and I will stand up for what I believe however I'm also open to be proven wrong but name calling or calling me a troll won't do it use facts however and if I'm wrong I will say I'm wrong, I don't know perhaps I'm in the wrong forum to be able to talk about the truth but for me I see far more value in a team that conducts itself properly and can admit it's mistakes than a team which can do no wrong. Funny you've only posted 18 times so far and you already sound like stuck record. Keeping it real, sincere and fact based seems to be a struggle for you

[Ferrari_ fan]

Funny you've only posted 18 times so far and you already sound like stuck record. Keeping it real, sincere and fact based seems to be a struggle for you

Your getting personal again rather than answering the issues involved I have only returned to the facts I have previously stated in response to people arguments

Point out where I have made something up which is non factual?

Please forums are supposed to be a place for intelligent and well thought out debates why do you have to resort to attacking people because they disagree with you and you lack the belief in your own arguments to stand on them alone? When you see people who have to attack people who think differently to them then there is a word for people who like that and you often find them in the school playground.

[Fiondella]

Your getting personal again rather than answering the issues involved I have only returned to the facts I have previously stated in response to people arguments

Point out where I have made something up which is non factual?

Please forums are supposed to be a place for intelligent and well thought out debates why do you have to resort to attacking people because they disagree with you and you lack the belief in your own arguments to stand on them alone? When you see people who have to attack people who think differently to them then there is a word for people who like that and you often find them in the school playground.

You stated that most f1 fans belive that the team was wrong? Show me a link to a survey supporting this claim
You talk about being realistic, honest and a supporter of the team whilst telling us that they should get a suspended ban. Your condescending manner telling us that we should take off our rose tinted glasses and accept that the team deserve a stiff penalty was quite provocative. Anyway not attacking just stating my opinion :-)

[GregoryJenkins]

You stated that most f1 fans belive that the team was wrong? Show me a link to a survey supporting this claim
You talk about being realistic, honest and a supporter of the team whilst telling us that they should get a suspended ban. Your condescending manner telling us that we should take off our rose tinted glasses and accept that the team deserve a stiff penalty was quite provocative. Anyway not attacking just stating my opinion :-)

Guys, come on. If you're just going to have a fight about it then we might as well just close this thread.