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steelstallions
6th September 2010, 22:39
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/ferrari/7985566/Ferrari-drivers-Felipe-Massa-and-Fernando-Alonso-to-give-team-orders-hearing-a-miss.html


Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa will not attend Wednesday's World Motor Sport Council hearing in Paris into Ferrari's use of banned 'team orders' at the German Grand Prix. There was speculation over the weekend that the pair had been summoned to appear in person but the Italian team said on Monday that their drivers would be made available by conference call should they be required. Team principal Stefano Domenicali will attend with Ferrari lawyers.

It would be strange indeed were the drivers not asked for their thoughts since their understanding of what occurred in Germany will be crucial to determining whether Ferrari lose all of, some of, or none of the points they accrued in that race. The Scuderia were fined $100,000 by stewards on the spot after they were deemed guilty of using coded instructions to order Massa aside and allow Alonso through to win the race, while the matter was also referred to the WMSC for further consideration.

It is difficult to enforce the ban on team orders since there are so many ways to disguise its use. Ferrari will argue on Wednesday that no explicit order was given.

They will also highlight the fact that other alleged coded messages – for instance McLaren's instruction to both their drivers to "conserve fuel" in Turkey earlier this summer – went unpunished.

As Ferrari prepare for the hearing, there is continuing confusion over Massa's start at the last race in Belgium.

The Brazilian overshot his grid slot by a significant margin but escaped a drive-through penalty as the incident was not picked up by race control.

The FIA, F1's governing body, has promised to investigate how it missed an incident that BBC commentators remarked on in their live coverage, and which a number of fans posted on YouTube.


Not sure what this means, I find it odd that the two people concerned don't even give evidence. Either FIA know they will toe the company line so its not worth having them there or they already have decided what will happen?

Suzie
6th September 2010, 23:03
Pleased to read that; our drivers don't need the added stress and distraction of having to be there in person on such an important week.

NJB13
7th September 2010, 02:22
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/ferrari/7985566/Ferrari-drivers-Felipe-Massa-and-Fernando-Alonso-to-give-team-orders-hearing-a-miss.html



Not sure what this means, I find it odd that the two people concerned don't even give evidence. Either FIA know they will toe the company line so its not worth having them there or they already have decided what will happen?

The article doesn't say they wont give evidence, it says they wont appear in person, but they will be available for conference call (probably video link) which is a pretty normal way to give evidence these days.

bladeswing
7th September 2010, 02:56
maybe the hearing is about mclaren team orders going unpunished, and ferrari lawyers are there to provide evidence. :lol

steelstallions
7th September 2010, 03:35
The article doesn't say they wont give evidence, it says they wont appear in person, but they will be available for conference call (probably video link) which is a pretty normal way to give evidence these days.

meant to say in person. It seems an odd way to conduct an hearing, not having the drivers present. In fact why four days before their biggest race of the season for their fans, why not straight after the last race so it does not interfere with the teams efforts this weekend?

NJB13
7th September 2010, 03:38
maybe the hearing is about mclaren team orders going unpunished, and ferrari lawyers are there to provide evidence. :lol

"Will Jensen pass me?"
"No"

"Fuel is critical Jensen, I repeat f-u-e-l is c-r-i-t-i-c-a-l"
:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

Ferrari_Fanatic
7th September 2010, 03:57
i can see the Ferrari reps diggin in here!

"If we are disqualified then so should Mclaren in 2008"

bladeswing
7th September 2010, 09:17
"Will Jensen pass me?"
"No"

"Fuel is critical Jensen, I repeat f-u-e-l is c-r-i-t-i-c-a-l"
:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

:rotfl

Sianellen
7th September 2010, 10:44
Ferrari duo to attend team orders hearing by video

By Motorsport.com/GMM


Ferrari race drivers Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa will address Wednesday's FIA disciplinary hearing by video link.

It emerged last week that the pair, accused of obeying illegal team orders by swapping places at Hockenheim in July, had been summoned to the World Motor Sport Council session in Paris.

Reports indicated that the pair may appear in person or by video, probably from a location within Italy.

An article in the British newspaper Daily Telegraph, confirmed by the Maranello based team, said Alonso and Massa will be available to the FIA by video.

After Wednesday's hearing, it is expected the verdict will be published later that day.

Team boss Domenicali and team manager Massimo Rivola, alongside the obligatory lawyers, are slated to be in attendance at the Place de la Concorde.

Alonso's world championship chances are riding on the outcome, given his already 41 point deficit to leader Lewis Hamilton.

Should his Hockenheim points be deducted as a further penalty by the World Council, the Spaniard's deficit - with six races left to run - would blow out to 70 points, because other championship contenders also stand to benefit.

Giorgio Beghella Bartoli, director of the Italian Grand Prix venue Monza, thinks Ferrari should escape sanction.

"As for the (team orders) regulation, an instruction (at Hockenheim) was not there," he is quoted in Italian reports.

"Because an engineer (Rob Smedley) said 'sorry'? What kind of proof is that?" he insisted.

Livio Oricchio, an authoritative Brazilian journalist, went a step further, urging the FIA to scrap the team orders ban altogether.

"There is no way to control them. Ending the ban respects the truth, therefore the fan. And, as paradoxically as it may seem, the sport.

"On some occasions, the outcome of a race has been decided within a team and few people knew about it," he wrote in his column in the Jornal da Tarde.

Ant Raikkonen
7th September 2010, 11:14
:rotfl

Yeah Spanky....^^ from Mclaren - the real hypicrites! :furious

racingbradley
7th September 2010, 13:52
"Will Jensen pass me?"
"No"

"Fuel is critical Jensen, I repeat f-u-e-l is c-r-i-t-i-c-a-l"
:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl
Very good :clap
I am just glad that Felipe & Nando are left to get on with their preparation for the weekend. Video link will save them some time.:-)

Ferrari_ fan
7th September 2010, 14:01
Very good :clap
I am just glad that Felipe & Nando are left to get on with their preparation for the weekend. Video link will save them some time.:-)

This is a good sign I can't see why they had to have the hearing then was it a plot to destabilise the team before an important race? At least the 2 most important people will just be able to get on it what they are paid to do and Race!
This hearing should have been immediately following the race just before the summer break and if that was not possible either at the end of the season or following a race weekend