Ferrari - No further punishment!!!

[kingjuani]

Fernando Alonso and Ferrari have escaped further punishment for using team orders during the German Grand Prix.

The $100,000 fine which was imposed by Hockenheim stewards after the team were found guilty of using a coded message to inform Felipe Massa to allow Alonso through for the victory has been upheld though.

The World Motor Sport Council has also confirmed the so-called team-orders rule will be reviewed.

Angelo Sticchi Damiani, president of Italy's CAI Motorsport Federation, told reporters in Paris that the WMSC agreed unanimously not to impose a further punishment.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/6365379/-No-Further-Sanctions-Against-Ferrari-

YES YES..TAKE THAT MC CHEATERS..TURKEY ALL OVER AGAIN!!!

[Hermann]

Some forums already very disappointed. Decided to cancel the popcorn parties.

[racingbradley]

He He see Macca & RB.

[Schumyboy83]

Fantastic result guys, Over the moon, :thumb

[Tifoso]

Excellent news. They should reimburse the $100K

[gvsnraju85]

First good news(in our favour) i heard all season........altough they could have reimbursed the fine they had taken.........hope they remove the rule after review

[Hermann]

I'm very curious to see how Macca will code their team orders from now on. Maybe something like 'the cow flies over the moon'.

[RED]

Good news, but this case shouldn't even have gone to WMSC.

[Tifoso]

Good news, but this case shouldn't even have gone to WMSC.

Exactly, mate.

[gvsnraju85]

read the comments all the Mc-Cheater fan boys are giving at Planet F1........reallyyyyyyyyyyyy............we at ferrari have not had much chance to smile this season or for that reason even last season....so now is the chance to laugh away to glory.......just read the comments and LOL .........:lol:rotfl

[Rosso Corsa]

Good news, but this case shouldn't even have gone to WMSC.

+10

[Rob]

:-D:-D:-D:clap Best news, in your face Whitmarsh and Horner!!!!

i punched the air shouting YEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!

At least now FIA are going to look at the whole team orders rule and lift it. About time. Now lets get on with this weekend and have a double celebration!!!

[Tommy_F]

:dance:topdance:nana


German GP stewards >> :Cube
:stupid

[Tifoso]

:dance:topdance:nana


German GP stewards >> :Cube
:stupid


:lol

[DIEK]

:clap:clap:clap

:thumb

[F1si]

This is great. :thumb

[goferrarigo]

Good news, but this case shouldn't even have gone to WMSC.
Yeah but they did that so that they could get rid of rule which i am glad of. It is such a stupid rule.

[512 TR]

thumb down:

The FiA sold out their own people (the stewards) present at Hockenheim. The FiA new policy = backstabbing.

A rule was broken, a fine was handed out and then the ones doing it were ridiculed today even though it's written black on white.

Cool...

[Tifoso]

thumb down:

The FiA sold out their own people (the stewards) present at Hockenheim. The FiA new policy = backstabbing.

A rule was broken, a fine was handed out and then the ones doing it were ridiculed today even though it's written black on white.

Cool...

A rule that is a stupidity, as it can be (and is) circumvented all the time. Why should Ferrari be the only ones to pay?

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

A rule that is a stupidity, as it can be (and is) circumvented all the time. Why should Ferrari be the only ones to pay?

+10

[Tony]

McLaren used that exact same line 2 years ago when Kovaleinen let Hamilton past.... why do you think Smedley used the same line.... although the I'm sorry part was completely stupid on his part, he should be disciplined internally (just make sure Mosley is not involved)....

[Nova]

Everything was "implied" by everyone in the world anyway....I tend to believe that when Rob apologized to Massa, that he was apologizing for the fact that his car
simply was not quick enough....end of story.....Lets win Monza....and I think it would be swell if Massa did it!!

[rob-nyc]

I knew this was coming.. - Great news..
Atlas folks must be pretty off by now.. :-D

[512 TR]

A rule that is a stupidity, as it can be (and is) circumvented all the time. Why should Ferrari be the only ones to pay?

I don't know really. It's a stupid rule. Maybe because it's a rule in the FiA sporting regulations. Ignoring it in the past because it was less obvious doesn't make it right. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Why has it been in there for 8 years and only now are they talking about removing it?

I'm just wondering what they are telling the Hockenheim stewards today.

[Ferrari Man]

:-D:-D Come On Alonso... Put the icin on the cake on Sunday...

[Ferrari Man]

Why has it been in there for 8 years and only now are they talking about removing it?

It s been there cos that Mosley insisted on having team orders banned in 02 and now that he s gone his stupid rule can now go too...:-)

[Rob]

:-D:-D Come On Alonso... Put the icin on the cake on Sunday...

now that is what im waiting for now aswell mate.

[Tifoso]

I don't know really. It's a stupid rule. Maybe because it's a rule in the FiA sporting regulations. Ignoring it in the past because it was less obvious doesn't make it right. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Why has it been in there for 8 years and only now are they talking about removing it?

I'm just wondering what they are telling the Hockenheim stewards today.


Good question.

My guess is "You are a bunch of morons" :-)

[siberianlady]

Interesting to note the team order rule will only be reviewed after the season.......think our team got themselves sorted now but will be interesting to see how McLatas and the Bulls cope with this now......or do they just pay USD 100.000 in advance and tell the stewards they are gonna do it?
(Grabs a bag of Herrmann's popcorn.............)

[512 TR]

Good question.

My guess is "You are a bunch of morons" :-)

Stewards at Hockenheim, that had to make a call, included or excluded? :Hmm

[siberianlady]

Who was the "extra" driver steward in Hockenheim?

[aroutis]

I don't know really. It's a stupid rule. Maybe because it's a rule in the FiA sporting regulations. Ignoring it in the past because it was less obvious doesn't make it right. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Why has it been in there for 8 years and only now are they talking about removing it?

I'm just wondering what they are telling the Hockenheim stewards today.They're probably telling them that they made a fuss over nothing.

[512 TR]

They're probably telling them that they made a fuss over nothing.

So the next time when a disputable situation occurs the stewards should disregard the sporting regulations?

Poor sobs, damned if they do and damned if they don't.

[Meiga]

Some forums already very disappointed. Decided to cancel the popcorn parties.

Nah, they just dropped the sweet popcorn to favour the sour type... :-G

[Meiga]

:-D:-D Come On Alonso... Put the icin on the cake on Sunday...

I am going to hell just because I could not agree more with you... http://serve.mysmiley.net/evilgrin/evilgrin0007.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

[Red is Best]

Great news! This case was blown way out of proportion, mainly by the British press and fans.

[steelstallions]

Tip top :clap:thumb

[redsteph]

Can someone explain to me why Ferrari got a larger fine after Austria 2002 when they used team orders which were not banned at the time?

I think Ferrari owe Felipe big time. Nevermind he almost got killed for them last year but the fact that he took the responsibility for letting Fernando past when it was quite clearly an order from the team.

Hopefully good karma will come his way very soon

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

Can someone explain to me why Ferrari got a larger fine after Austria 2002 when they used team orders which were not banned at the time?

I think Ferrari owe Felipe big time. Nevermind he almost got killed for them last year but the fact that he took the responsibility for letting Fernando past when it was quite clearly an order from the team.

Hopefully good karma will come his way very soon

+1 :pray

[Tifoso]

Can someone explain to me why Ferrari got a larger fine after Austria 2002 when they used team orders which were not banned at the time?

I think Ferrari owe Felipe big time. Nevermind he almost got killed for them last year but the fact that he took the responsibility for letting Fernando past when it was quite clearly an order from the team.

Hopefully good karma will come his way very soon
Assuming there is such a thing ;-)

I would much prefer him to get good carma :lou

[brembo man]

If team orders become legal, all the drivers ,Senna Di Grassi and the rest of the guys in the back with new teams etc. will have a good shot at moving up into the contenders circle. I believe any driver who is a in the top will not want to do a Rubens just to be with a top team, and know they have to let the #1 driver pass . It could change everything as far as driver lineups for the future.

[mad_ani]

Well the rule might be changed post season...Since team orders now are only 100,000 $ fine, who knows if Mclaren RBR could use it to their advantage of winning a WC..

[scuderia_nano]

Can someone explain to me why Ferrari got a larger fine after Austria 2002 when they used team orders which were not banned at the time?

I think Ferrari owe Felipe big time. Nevermind he almost got killed for them last year but the fact that he took the responsibility for letting Fernando past when it was quite clearly an order from the team.

Hopefully good karma will come his way very soon

The fine was not for issuing team orders in 2002. The fine was to interfere in the podium presentation ceremony

[aroutis]

So the next time when a disputable situation occurs the stewards should disregard the sporting regulations?

Poor sobs, damned if they do and damned if they don't.Isn't it what they've been doing all year? Many years now on several occasions?

[killer]

thumb down:

The FiA sold out their own people (the stewards) present at Hockenheim. The FiA new policy = backstabbing.

A rule was broken, a fine was handed out and then the ones doing it were ridiculed today even though it's written black on white.

Cool...

How? The fine was upheld.

[NJB13]

Stewards at Hockenheim, that had to make a call, included or excluded? :Hmm

Race Director and stewards from Hockenheim are the biggest of the morons, quite frankly, they made another F1 fiasco when it was entirely unnecessary!

[NJB13]

........ will be interesting to see how McLatas and the Bulls cope with this now......

New equipment the enigma radio receiver, is being added to the Mc & RB cars for the rest of the season:
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv319/spankyham/enigma.jpg

[bladeswing]

Fantastic news!
Big moral boost for the whole team, now without that monkey on their back or that splinter in their head or whatever...

bring on Monza! Let's go for that real 1-2 finish Ferrari style!
:thumb

[Jack]

Wow, a few other forums (I will no say their names) are now plenty of very angry members (Germany-08 was totally different of Germany-10, FIA is a joke, I will not watch F1 anymore , blah, blah, blah ...)

[killer]

New equipment the enigma radio receiver, is being added to the Mc & RB cars for the rest of the season:
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv319/spankyham/enigma.jpg

:lol

Photo reveals McLaren testing alternative to team radio:

http://sites.google.com/site/interfacebus/_/rsrc/1254515294491/Home/morse-code-chart/morse-code-signal-light-communication.jpg

[Stormsearcher]

read the comments all the Mc-Cheater fan boys are giving at Planet F1........reallyyyyyyyyyyyy............we at ferrari have not had much chance to smile this season or for that reason even last season....so now is the chance to laugh away to glory.......just read the comments and LOL .........:lol:rotfl

How did u get into that forum? Those monkeys declined my membership application. :furious

[Stormsearcher]

Can someone explain to me why Ferrari got a larger fine after Austria 2002 when they used team orders which were not banned at the time?

I think Ferrari owe Felipe big time. Nevermind he almost got killed for them last year but the fact that he took the responsibility for letting Fernando past when it was quite clearly an order from the team.

Hopefully good karma will come his way very soon

Oh stop it already. :-ZZ
They didnt put a gun to his head and say DRIVE B******. For all the drivers in F1 this comes with the territory.

Its a fantastic decision by the WMSC. Big relief i must say. I wonder if slotting the hearing just before Monza had anything to do with it. :-) but am not complaining. This is good. And i really hope they do away with that stupid rule. People who want to keep it can keep it (like KERS) ... so the Macs and RB can do wat they want... put their drivers in a boxing ring for all i care..
Now we can concentrate on getting those 1-2's.

Heres to a great Monza weekend. Ferrari must rule!!! cheers!!!!!:cheers

[Stormsearcher]

Interesting to note the team order rule will only be reviewed after the season.......think our team got themselves sorted now but will be interesting to see how McLatas and the Bulls cope with this now......or do they just pay USD 100.000 in advance and tell the stewards they are gonna do it?
(Grabs a bag of Herrmann's popcorn.............)

lol.. yeah. This should be fun. I would like to see how button is going to argue his case against golden child of the sun lewis. And i mark webbers goose is officially cooked now. This is his only chance of a title.. next season he is going to be cleaning the doormat for seb vettels car.

[Brakefade]

I would pay to see the expression on the idiots' face (Lawrence, Jordan, Lauda, etc) who wanted the FIA to throw the book at Ferrari. :rotfl

BTW the PlanetF1 jerks also rejected my application to their forums. I think maybe choosing the username "SFTifoso" didn't help matters.

[Hermann]

I would pay to see the expression on the idiots' face (Lawrence, Jordan, Lauda, etc) who wanted the FIA to throw the book at Ferrari. :rotfl

BTW the PlanetF1 jerks also rejected my application to their forums. I think maybe choosing the username "SFTifoso" didn't help matters.


No way. As a McLaren fan, you can chose nicks like 'Hamiltonfanatic' and you will be welcomed with open arms, but don't chose anything related to Ferrari (or, even worse, Alonso) in a positive way. They won't let you in.

[Lesky]

Everything was "implied" by everyone in the world anyway....I tend to believe that when Rob apologized to Massa, that he was apologizing for the fact that his car
simply was not quick enough....end of story.....Lets win Monza....and I think it would be swell if Massa did it!!

As swell as it would be its not going to happen by chance - you understand Massa is not allowed to win unless Alonso is out of the race?

Smedley were caught with his pants down, and he was extremely lucky to get away with it! Ferrari used blatant team orders and got a slap on the wrist, no point in denying that.

Excellent news, but there is no reason to deny what really happened!

[Lesky]

Can someone explain to me why Ferrari got a larger fine after Austria 2002 when they used team orders which were not banned at the time?


Yes. Would very much like to understand this :lou I bet nobody can give a good reason for it.

[Greig]

Yes. Would very much like to understand this :lou I bet nobody can give a good reason for it.

Somebody already did, the fine was given for the podium and press conference antics

[Lesky]

Somebody already did, the fine was given for the podium and press conference antics

Thanks Greig. I was not aware of that. Do you think the "original explanation" for the fine is still online somewhere?

[Greig]

As swell as it would be its not going to happen by chance - you understand Massa is not allowed to win unless Alonso is out of the race?

LOL funny stuff, so wrong though

[Greig]

Thanks Greig. I was not aware of that. Do you think the "original explanation" for the fine is still online somewhere?

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/The_FIA/2002/260602-01.html

[Grillo]

I would pay to see the expression on the idiots' face (Lawrence, Jordan, Lauda, etc) who wanted the FIA to throw the book at Ferrari. :rotfl

BTW the PlanetF1 jerks also rejected my application to their forums. I think maybe choosing the username "SFTifoso" didn't help matters.
I applied with redmotorfanatic to autosport.com and they rejected mine. :-)

[siberianlady]

Haha peeps don't worry about PF1 and the other crapsters..........I got banned from PF1 because (discussion on drivers' looks) I said that as a woman I did not find Lewser attractive......boom kicked...........how stupid can you get?
They let me back in as some know here as LoopyLoo though.........:lol

[Jack]

I would pay to see the expression on the idiots' face (Lawrence, Jordan, Lauda, etc) who wanted the FIA to throw the book at Ferrari. :rotfl


Lawrence has probably exploded in small pieces. :lol

[Brakefade]

Lawrence has probably exploded in small pieces. :lol

He even wrote a 3 page article trying to differentiate the Mclaren 2008 Hockenheim team orders and Ferrari's. How Ferrari's was so wrong, but not Mclaren. :lol

[aroutis]

He even wrote a 3 page article trying to differentiate the Mclaren 2008 Hockenheim team orders and Ferrari's. How Ferrari's was so wrong, but not Mclaren. :lol
In a sense I could be in parts guilty for that, we'd been exchanging emails, and that thing came up. You should read how he thinks bout Tifosi and of course he feels that 2008 incident CLEARLY is nothing of the kind in comparison to 2010, since noone complained and the stewards did not raise it to investigation... lol

In the end I added him to the block list, I just could not get anymore of his moron lectures...