European GP: Free Practice Sessions Thread

[Rishu]

Ok guys, wait is over, lets see if Ferrari can get its first win of the Season. Lets have a good start to the weekend


Forza Ferrari...... :ferrarifl

[eugene22n]

looking forward to an end to all the cars farting. and hopefully a win!

[fratelliferrari]

Does anyone have an English livestream of Free Practices? Please a link! Desperate and i really want to see it!

[Hermann]

http://www.f1turkish.net/p/canl-f1-yayn.html

[Kyss4k]

Does anyone have an English livestream of Free Practices? Please a link! Desperate and i really want to see it!

Yes, English stream would be great. :thumb

EDIT: oh thanks Hermann!

[Forzi]

BBC Stream: http://zonein.tv/474365

[exeau]

http://liveleaks.co.cc/livestream

[NanoTheQuickest]

I like the new rule, they now have to keep the quali engine mapping for the race, lets see if the RB can go get the pole?

[exeau]

it shouldn't change much of the performance for RB.. they are saying its the DRS that gives them better performance in quali

[eugene22n]

RB have always sounded most aggressive on the overrun.

[eugene22n]

"The 150° Italia is basically the same as in Montreal: no updates for this race. We are evaluating again an updated rear suspension" - Ferrari

Looks like they weren't kidding about the big package being for Silverstone. Nothing here ...

[eugene22n]

it shouldn't change much of the performance for RB.. they are saying its the DRS that gives them better performance in quali

we'll see at this race.

[NanoTheQuickest]

If it does not affect them more than the others I will be seriously surprised! Bring on quali...

[eugene22n]

the FIA banned this because they said the solutions were getting too aggressive particularly in Q. Just based on sound we know that we are not the ones that are most aggressive. No doubt this was targeted at RB so we should reap the benefit. The only question is how much.

[SanderV]

Morning all.

Looks like high temperatures, so hopfully no tyre heating problems for Ferrari. I think they also said that they had solved the problems with the hard tyres. If I'm correct this weekend the prime is the medium tyre. We'll see. Also curious about the engine mapping changes.

[eugene22n]

finally we are back out. might be testing that new rear suspension again.

[eugene22n]

no overrun is audible for us. still audible on the RB and MCL. Sounded a lot less than normal on the MCL but sounded the same on RB.

[Rishu]

Expect cars to be around 1.39s by the end of the 1st session

[NanoTheQuickest]

The boys are on it.. ya

[SanderV]

Can someone explain to me how one team's DRS can be better than other's?

[eugene22n]

1:37.587 was the poll last year.

[eugene22n]

Can someone explain to me how one team's DRS can be better than other's?

basically the designs aren't all the same and some do a better job at stalling a larger region of air. I expect there is some variation with the speed of the systems as well.

bbc was saying something about Merc using the endplates to engage it now as oppossed to centrally.

[NanoTheQuickest]

I got the feeling that vettel ain't gonna show his index finger this weekend after quali!!!!

[Hornet]

Thats a whole lot of love for Lewis on BBC commentary, lol

[NanoTheQuickest]

Thats a whole lot of love for Lewis on BBC commentary, lol


he is the best blablabla:lol

[johncnet]

Alonso P1, it a good sign

[NanoTheQuickest]

It would be so nice if we became the team to beat for the rest of the season, wouldn't it?

[johncnet]

webber split alonso and massa

[johncnet]

damn webber take the P1

[SanderV]

basically the designs aren't all the same and some do a better job at stalling a larger region of air. I expect there is some variation with the speed of the systems as well.

bbc was saying something about Merc using the endplates to engage it now as oppossed to centrally.Thanks!

[medeni73]

at the moment we are the best of the rest, RB plays in another league again, Maccas are not showing their full potential yet (DRS off cos of aero-testing of new parts), Mercs struggle again it seems...but lets just wait and see what happens next... :)

[Rishu]

Can someone explain to me how one team's DRS can be better than other's?

When the rear flap is closed, it should give plenty of drag, so it benefits when inclination of it is vertical, but when flap is open, maximum air should pass through it, so it should not be too much "vertical". Best rear wing is the one which can optimize this inclination best suited to the car dynamics

[Sempre_Ferrari]

at the moment we are the best of the rest, RB plays in another league again, Maccas are not showing their full potential yet (DRS off cos of aero-testing of new parts), Mercs struggle again it seems...but lets just wait and see what happens next... :)

ermmm...all this deduced just from watching 1 hour of FP1...I want that crystal ball of yours :-)

[eugene22n]

ah i was mistaken ... overrun is banned (limited to 10%?) starting with Silverstone not here ... bummer.

Here they just first enforcing the engine map freeze from Q to R.

[medeni73]

lol well its FP1 thread so I comment on this :) I cant wait for 3 FPs in order to comment on performance :)

I hope also that Vettel has been testing their new off-throttle mapping and ECU software settings for Silverstone, that would be good for us cos he's just plain bad! :)

[Sempre_Ferrari]

Glock still holds the race lap record around this venue with his best of 1m38.683s in the Toyota back in 2009.

[Rishu]

InsideFerrari

Second run for Felipe has just begun, same set of tyres for the Brazilian driver.

EDIT: Same goes for Fernando as well

[Greig]

Nice camera on Massa's car :-)

[eugene22n]

odd to see vettel so far from webber in practice. I hope thats the diff between their Q and R engine maps! lol

[Greig]

Massa trying new front brakes, wing and tweaked exhaust

[luicchi]

odd to see vettel so far from webber in practice. I hope thats the diff between their Q and R engine maps! lol

that would be funny....but i think he is in full tank fuel.

[eugene22n]

that would be funny....but i think he is in full tank fuel.

perhaps. i'm just too used to always seeing them at the top in fp or at least near it. do you recall a gap like this between them in any of the previous fp?

[Hornet]

Another link for anyone who lose feed on the first link at Pg.1
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/26909/1/european-grand-prix---practice-1.html

[burak karakutuk]

there is only one way to be better is : you have to create more downfore than others so it helps you to use drs system well.look at rb car,they run the drs most of corners.some speculation to limit drs zone in qualy like race.it will reduce the gap in qualy exactly

[zeus2]

Apparently Vettel is running the silverstone spec exhaust and engine mapping according to BBC.

[Rishu]

Apparently Vettel is running the silverstoe spec exhaust and engine mapping according to BBC.

So, some glimmer of hope ?? :-D

[Rishu]

Damn Timo, last runs compromised.........

[Kyss4k]

Apparently Vettel is running the silverstone spec exhaust and engine mapping according to BBC.

So he lost about 3 seconds per lap if that's true. Wow.

[ruud king]

Petrov second, but it's only Friday.....let's see what tommorow brings

[luicchi]

so what is the big difference between valencia rules and silverstone???i didn´t understand yet.

[Ferrarichamp]

vettel sandbagging :lou

[Hornet]

Nah... according to Red Bull, they can react to it, it won't effect them, (anything else I missed)... blasphemy:-G

[NanoTheQuickest]

It would be so enjoyable to see RB go down :twisted

Glimpse of worry from the faces at RB I saw!!!

[Rishu]

Nah... according to Red Bull, they can react to it, it won't effect them, (anything else I missed)... blasphemy:-G

May be Marko should jump into the cockpit to prove it......

[zeus2]

so what is the big difference between valencia rules and silverstone???i didn´t understand yet.

In Valencia only engine mapping is restricted, they can still use off throttle blown exhaust (albiet not as aggressively) whereas in Siverstone they will not be allowed to use off throtle exhaust at all.

[Greig]

Personally I think their whole car aero is designed around the EBD, and without it they might well suck, but we shall see, the high rake they run is also said to be down to the EBD. Certainly in-car shots today showed a car a whole lot more of a handful than we have seen previously, with that said they will probably take pole and win the race :-D

[sv_godspeed]

he's not getting anywhere close to that, especially going sideways! :lol

[NJB13]

so what is the big difference between valencia rules and silverstone???i didn´t understand yet.

The only change here is theteams cannot change engine mapping in parc ferme (after q).

From Silverstone engine overrun while off throttle is limited to +10%.

Also, there seems to be some misunderstanding on EBDs, there is no change this year for EBDs, they can and will function as they have all year so far. EBDs dont breach any 2011 rules so they will stay until next year when the rules can be added to and changed.

[Kingdom Hearts]

A good start, but we shouldn't be fooled by the RB, even with the regulation changes.

[NanoTheQuickest]

Cant wait for tomorrow, we will finally see some proper driver to driver battle to take the pole and not some clever system ruling over the galaxy. From what we saw they are the only one who seemed worried about the rule change by running different mapping specs during P1. Mcs and us don't seem too concerned so far, lets wait and see.????

[If they do run it at 100 % during Q3, they will have to be on fuel saving mode the all race If they want to finish (especially in Valencia)]

[Greig]

Cant wait for tomorrow, we will finally see some proper driver to driver battle to take the pole and not some clever system ruling over the galaxy.

What like Nando using his mass damper in 2005/6?

[Greig]

The only change here is theteams cannot change engine mapping in parc ferme (after q).

From Silverstone engine overrun while off throttle is limited to +10%.

Also, there seems to be some misunderstanding on EBDs, there is no change this year for EBDs, they can and will function as they have all year so far. EBDs dont breach any 2011 rules so they will stay until next year when the rules can be added to and changed.

:rotflhow can they function when the new rule says 10% they will not function the same at all.

[dr.k]

:rotflhow can they function when the new rule says 10% they will not function the same at all.

There will definitely be performance loss especially in slower corners where they are not running on full-throttle. But he is right that EBD stays the same and also some teams runs EBD without off throttle blowing.

[NJB13]

:rotflhow can they function when the new rule says 10% they will not function the same at all.

I was simply pointing out that EBD's are not subject to any ban or action because they do not breach any regulation. EBDs will stay in place after Silverstone. That's actually a fact. It's also fact that the FiA will change the rules for next year to ban EBD's - perhaps the FiA have got it completely wrong and just haven't realized that EBD's won't work without a lot of engine overrun :-)

EBDs were around before the overrun was added, so yes they work. Extreme overrun isn't used during a race. Firstly, they use way too much fuel and secondly they stress the engine. Overrun is a non-issue in a race. The effect of overrun is clearly seen in how the RB7 is up to a second faster in Q but nowhere near that during the race.

[Greig]

EBDs were around before the overrun was added, so yes they work. Extreme overrun isn't used during a race. Firstly, they use way too much fuel and secondly they stress the engine. Overrun is a non-issue in a race. The effect of overrun is clearly seen in how the RB7 is up to a second faster in Q but nowhere near that during the race.

So you have not noticed the RB pull a gap at the start or after the SC? yes they use them in the race as well as qual, so if they are not an issue in the race then why the change for Silverstone? if they are only used in qual then the new rule for Valencia negates any need to change the rules further for Silverstone. They all have over run in the race just probably not as extreme as in qualifying.

[NanoTheQuickest]

What like Nando using his mass damper in 2005/6?

ya hum,whatever Greig, my point is it is getting boring to see "A" car taking the pole and note its driver.

[NJB13]

So you have not noticed the RB pull a gap at the start or after the SC? yes they use them in the race as well as qual, so if they are not an issue in the race then why the change for Silverstone? if they are only used in qual then the new rule for Valencia negates any need to change the rules further for Silverstone. They all have over run in the race just probably not as extreme as in qualifying.

As I said, extreme overrun is only used in Q. A minimal overrun is used during the race, how much more than 10% I don't think anyone knows, but nothing like is used in Q. And as you have said, what is used in the race is small and only for possibly a few laps. Therefore, a complete non-issue as an in-race effect.

[NJB13]

So you have not noticed the RB pull a gap at the start or after the SC? yes they use them in the race as well as qual, so if they are not an issue in the race then why the change for Silverstone? if they are only used in qual then the new rule for Valencia negates any need to change the rules further for Silverstone. They all have over run in the race just probably not as extreme as in qualifying.

A few laps and and nothing extreme - as I said, a complete non-issue.

[zeus2]

What I don't get about the Valencia rule change is, Don't all cars have the ability to change engine mappings on the fly? So whats to stop Red bull from running the extreme mapping in quali and then switch over to normal race maps on the first lap (Which I think they were pretty much doing already) :-??.

[Rob]

its not EBDs that they are banning if you like. Its the hot and cold blowing engine maps. Whiich use more fuel and are helping the aero. RBR actually run cold blowing maps. They have alot more traction than any other teams that run these. So they are going to be hit hard.

[Greig]

A few laps and and nothing extreme - as I said, a complete non-issue.

So why have they changed the rules for Silverstone? when the new rules for Valencia will cover it? So you are happy the EBD does not break the regulation you ritually cite as long as it is not too extreme? Weird

Does not add up......let's say Red Bull run 100% mapping in Q3 and in the race 50%, how is restricting them to 10% a non issue?

[NJB13]

What I don't get about the Valencia rule change is, Don't all cars have the ability to change engine mappings on the fly? So whats to stop Red bull from running the extreme mapping in quali and then switch over to normal race maps on the first lap (Which I think they were pretty much doing already) :-??.

No, the changes that are done during the race are generally air/fuel mix changes. The overrun is a very sophisticated system that changes valve/firing positions on various pots and when fuel is pushed through. The overrun can effect all or some pots and can even be induced on specific banks. The purpose is to get the moving engine to produce an aero effect which is specifically banned/prohibited by Article 3.15. As I mentioned previously these overruns consume a lot of fuel and stress the engine so, it can only be used very sparingly. RB clearly use it in Q3 for one run and, the first 2 laps of a race to escape the DRS. I doubt they use it any other time because they would have to be carrying a lot of extra fuel in the hope that you might get to use it again.

[NJB13]

So why have they changed the rules for Silverstone? when the new rules for Valencia will cover it? So you are happy the EBD does not break the regulation you ritually cite as long as it is not too extreme? Weird

Does not add up......let's say Red Bull run 100% mapping in Q3 and in the race 50%, how is restricting them to 10% a non issue?

First of all any guess as to how much RB use in the race is just that a guess. What we do know is they can still use 10% and they only use it for a few laps. A non issue.

Why change to rule for Silverstone, because I believe the rules should be enforced. I don't think overrun is clever, I think it breaches Article 3.15, and the FiA has finally after dragging their heels for half a season, agreed with that view. I believe they should have bannedd it before the Australian GP for the same reason - it is a clear breach of Article 3.15. Nor do I don't think breaking rules is clever. :-)

[Greig]

First of all any guess as to how much RB use in the race is just that a guess. What we do know is they can still use 10% and they only use it for a few laps. A non issue.

Why change to rule for Silverstone, because I believe the rules should be enforced. I don't think overrun is clever, I think it breaches Article 3.15, and the FiA has finally after dragging their heels for half a season, agreed with that view. I believe they should have bannedd it before the Australian GP for the same reason - it is a clear breach of Article 3.15. Nor do I don't think breaking rules is clever. :-)

How do you know how long and what they can use it at? pure guess as well, so how can you say it's a non issue?

If they do not use it more than 10% in the race then the Silverstone new rule is pointless, so clearly they must use it more than that.

Over run was used last season, why did you not complain about it then?

[Mrs.Domenicali]

Going by the number of articles from senior management at Red Bull in recent weeks Newey, Horner and Marko it clearly is a big issue to them, otherwise why have they been moaning so much about mid season rule changes? if its a complete non issue to them they would have no reason to moan how the mid season rule changes are being brought in to help Ferrari ;-)

[zeus2]

No, the changes that are done during the race are generally air/fuel mix changes. The overrun is a very sophisticated system that changes valve/firing positions on various pots and when fuel is pushed through. The overrun can effect all or some pots and can even be induced on specific banks. The purpose is to get the moving engine to produce an aero effect which is specifically banned/prohibited by Article 3.15. As I mentioned previously these overruns consume a lot of fuel and stress the engine so, it can only be used very sparingly. RB clearly use it in Q3 for one run and, the first 2 laps of a race to escape the DRS. I doubt they use it any other time because they would have to be carrying a lot of extra fuel in the hope that you might get to use it again.

Stumbled upon scarbs article on it :-). Thanks for the explanation though. Going by that article Ferrari is supposed to be the least developed in Q-maps among the top three, which would also mean we will be the least effected by the new rules. Heres the link if anyone is interested in knowing more
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/valencia-ban-on-engine-map-changes/

[FerrariF60]

hello everyone

does anybody have any links to FP2?

thanks.

[NJB13]

How do you know how long and what they can use it at? pure guess as well, so how can you say it's a non issue?

If they do not use it more than 10% in the race then the Silverstone new rule is pointless, so clearly they must use it more than that.

Over run was used last season, why did you not complain about it then?

Over run has been around for a long time, but in a small way and for a reliability purpose. This year it has been taken way beyond that, even you must be able to hear the difference.

At the end of last year, the FiA changed rules to stop the use of exhaust gases as an aero aid.

What Red Bull are doing is a clear beach of the specific rules as well as going against the spirit of the rules.

I will be pleased when Article 3.15 is finally enforced at Silverstone

[Greig]

Over run has been around for a long time, but in a small way and for a reliability purpose. This year it has been taken way beyond that, even you must be able to hear the difference.

At the end of last year, the FiA changed rules to stop the use of exhaust gases as an aero aid.

What Red Bull are doing is a clear beach of the specific rules as well as going against the spirit of the rules.

I will be pleased when Article 3.15 is finally enforced at Silverstone

So rule breaking was ok with you until it got too extreme? What rule changes did the FIA make regarding exhaust gases?

Red Bull are not the sole team doing it, and again why have the FIA changed the rules for this race and the next if it's a non-issue?

[SanderV]

http://www.f1turkish.net/p/canl-f1-yayn.html - thanks to Hermann

[zeus2]

hello everyone

does anybody have any links to FP2?

thanks.

Give this a shot
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/26910/1/european-grand-prix---practice-2.html

[FerrariF60]

Give this a shot
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/26910/1/european-grand-prix---practice-2.html

it doesn't work, says server not found :-s

[Kyss4k]

it doesn't work, says server not found :-s

http://www.smotrisport.com/v-2/8/182/v-298229.html

Working fine :thumb

[FerrariF60]

http://www.smotrisport.com/v-2/8/182/v-298229.html

Working fine :thumb

maybe cause i'm at work it doesn't WORK...but i used to be able to see free practices at work in the past...like 2 races ago

[racingbradley]

Going by the number of articles from senior management at Red Bull in recent weeks Newey, Horner and Marko it clearly is a big issue to them, otherwise why have they been moaning so much about mid season rule changes? if its a complete non issue to them they would have no reason to moan how the mid season rule changes are being brought in to help Ferrari ;-)
Maybe they have it sussed and are keeping "modest" pretending it's a big issue when all the time they are laughing in the garage. ;-) :-??

[Hornet]

Another link from vipbox, this is stream 5

http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/26910/5/european-grand-prix---practice-2.html

[zeus2]

maybe cause i'm at work it doesn't WORK...but i used to be able to see free practices at work in the past...like 2 races ago

There are other links on the top of the video in the link I posted. Try some of those, one of them should work..

[NJB13]

So rule breaking was ok with you until it got too extreme?
No. as I explained, over run used for the purpose of reliability of the engine is acceptable. Over run to create aero is what is against the rules.


What rule changes did the FIA make regarding exhaust gases?
They closed the front of the diffuser, where the exhaust was blown in last year.


Red Bull are not the sole team doing it, and again why have the FIA changed the rules for this race and the next if it's a non-issue?
When a team breaks the rules it should be stopped immediately irrespective of how effective the beach is. Did the FiA wait to see how effective out gurney flap was before deciding to ban it?

[Greig]

No. as I explained, over run used for the purpose of reliability of the engine is acceptable. Over run to create aero is what is against the rules.

They closed the front of the diffuser, where the exhaust was blown in last year.

When a team breaks the rules it should be stopped immediately perspective of how effective the beach is. Did the FiA wait to see how effective out gurney flap was before deciding to ban it?

But it was not against the rules, until the FIA changed the rules, but here we go again, let's not pollute another thread because of your stubbornness :-)

I have yet to see any article or team member not say this as a rule change, but really you believe nothing has changed and no rulings have changed, the rest of the paddock do. We have a ruling change for this race, and another more stricter new ruling for Silverstone, how anyone can deny that is beyond me :-)

FIA have known how effective it was since last season when RB used the same in Q3, they are changing their ruling now to interfere with the titles, nothing more nothing less. If the title was close then the FIA would not be interested in changing their ruling on this matter this year.

[medeni73]

It seems we have closed the gap on hard tires indeed, Alonso just 0.170 off from RBs... not a bad sign...

[Rishu]

Looking at Maldonado's time, Pole should be in late 36's

[FerrariF60]

There are other links on the top of the video in the link I posted. Try some of those, one of them should work..

thx, i tried some other ones and it works

[burak karakutuk]

Well we are best in first sector,so close in sector 2 but must improve last sector.Looking good so far

[medeni73]

And it seems that Massa having more problems again with hard tires...

[medeni73]

In first two sectors we have them...but damn 3rd one is a nut for both our drivers...

[FerrariF60]

the heck was button doing?? sleeping; getting in Alonso's way
or should i say, NOT gettting outta the way

[Hornet]

I thought I saw a HRT blocking Alonso's way at the final turn

[medeni73]

It was HRT...

[zeus2]

the heck was button doing?? sleeping; getting in Alonso's way
or should i say, NOT gettting outta the way

So I assume you found a link that's working ;-).

[FerrariF60]

So I assume you found a link that's working ;-).

yes it's working very good...

thanks again.

Forza Ferrari for a 1-2 this weekend

[SanderV]

Alonso's car is looking pretty stable. Last sector still a bit difficult. Don't know about Massa yet.

[puto.havana]

Ok so Alonso only 2 tenths off the pace atm. Not too shabby. Car looked a little twitchy in the last sector though.

[burak karakutuk]

yes karthikeyan was on alonso's way.waht a stupid mistake he did crawling ahead of alonso.then turns to pit.some kind of unnecessary guy

[FerrariF60]

holly Quick NICK
where did he pull that off of???

[brava]

What's up with Heidfeld?

[SanderV]

Big lockup again from Alonso

[SanderV]

What's up with Heidfeld?

Softs.

[luicchi]

What's up with Heidfeld?

in soft tyres....there is no miracles...lol

[burak karakutuk]

Today Alonso and Massa both stable,but Alonso has some brake issues some blokaj

[FerrariF60]

Softs.

ah....didn't notice that

[puto.havana]

What's up with Heidfeld?

I dunno, first man on the softs maybe?

[Forzi]

I'm itching to see us on the softs :-)

[Kyss4k]

I just noticed that these times was set on medium tyres. That is good to know that we are competitive on that quite hard compound.

[puto.havana]

Well I thought the problem had been fixed with new suspension.

[puto.havana]

So are we gonna go out and set a soft laptime?

[FerrariF60]

So are we gonna go out and set a soft laptime?

yes, what's the hold up??? i wanna know how quick we are on the SOFTS

[FerrariF60]

it seems we're losing quite a bit in S3
at least looking on massa's time

[Hornet]

Wonder whats that about in Torro Rosso garage with the Ferrari guy in there talking to them

[Forzi]

Considering Felipe went a lil wide twice on the lap, we're more or less in the same level as RedBull. I hope McLaren will stay down for the rest of teh weekend.

[puto.havana]

Why is one of our guys being held hostage in the Torro Rosso Garage?!?!

(Only joking I know he is the engine tech assigned to Torro)

[FerrariF60]

now McCheats look pretty quick...what the!!!!

[puto.havana]

Pah, bloody Hamilscum.

[medeni73]

WOW Maccas out of nowhere !!!

[SanderV]

it seems we're losing quite a bit in S3
at least looking on massa's time

Red Bull very strong in S3. Losing some 3 tenths to them.

[FerrariF60]

yeah baby...ALONSO P1

[puto.havana]

Lovely 1:38.1

[medeni73]

WOW WOW !!! ALONSO !!!

[puto.havana]

Go Massa go!!!!

[puto.havana]

Unlucky Massa

[FerrariF60]

ALONSO'S ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[puto.havana]

ALONSO'S ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep he is!! Go Fred go!!

[luicchi]

i predict that this engine map changing is gonna make things better to us....lol ...alonso making miracles...oh dear that tyres

[Hornet]

Alonso beat his own time despite locking up
Look good for us this weekend

[Sempre_Ferrari]

65 min: Despite a major lock-up into the final corner, Alonso improves the benchmark to a 1m37.968s.

[puto.havana]

Alonso beat his own time despite locking up
Look good for us this weekend

Well lets see how it goes - things can still come a cropper.

[luicchi]

ok....this is gonna be funny...

VETTEL is 0,297 of the pace....lolololol

[burak karakutuk]

So much blokaj and it is becoming dangerous but Fernando overcomes well

[zeus2]

Whats up with all the locking up though, pushing too hard or brake problems?

[FerrariF60]

ok....this is gonna be funny...

VETTEL is 0,297 of the pace....lolololol

That is FUNNY...hope this will become a trend

[burak karakutuk]

Whats up with all the locking up though, pushing too hard or brake problems?

pushing too hard i think

[luicchi]

That is FUNNY...hope this will become a trend


me too...i think we all do....:-D:ferrarifl

[ferrari4life]

I would be happy just to see Webber beat Vettel then we can stop with all the Vettel is the best thing since slice bread talk.

[FerrariF60]

I would be happy just to see Webber beat Vettel then we can stop with all the Vettel is the best thing since slice bread talk.

+10000000000000

well said mate

[Rishu]

Relax guys, lets wait for tomorrow..... that will give us true picture

[FerrariF60]

are we doing any long runs??
if so how are our times in comparison with others?

[burak karakutuk]

are we doing any long runs??
if so how are our times in comparison with others?

yes all of grid is trying long runs now.it is a classic in last 15 minutes of session

[SanderV]

It should be pretty close beteen RB, McL and Ferrari. We'll see tomorrow.

[Kingdom Hearts]

We look good but I'm gonna wait till tomorrow to get my hopes high, anyway, very good job today.

[stefa]

It is always good to finish practice session on first place. Even this is just Friday, I am happy for the team and drivers. We looked good today!

[Stormsearcher]

Looking good so far. We expected to be in the top 5 in anycase. This is pleasant.
But our race pace is not looking great is it?

[F1NAC]

What about our long stint's ?? times ?

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

Looking good so far. We expected to be in the top 5 in anycase. This is pleasant.
But our race pace is not looking great is it?

depends on how much fuel was in Alonso predicted a good race, Fingers crossed :pray

[zike]

But our race pace is not looking great is it?
????????????????????
How did you come to that conclusion

[Alessandra]

Now that we're all confident that we have a Ferrari front row lock-out tomorrow ;-)I thought I'd pass on this little snippet from James Allen

"Fangio still holds the record for the highest winning percentage in Formula One winning 46.15% of the races he started, compared to Schumacher’s 33.09%."

That sounds like a really worthwhile statistic to me rather than basing the "greatest driver ever'" contest on purely the number of races won. I suppose someone has worked out the stats. re. highest points scored by a driver in a season taking into account the change in number of GPs and and change in race position points?

[theforce]

Either way, its good to see a Ferrari leading the timesheets.

[Jose Lorca]

I think Red Bull are still the fastest, but we are still looking quite strong -- as close as 2 tenths to RB imo. Mclaren arent too far back either but I think we are ahead of them, slightly.

Hopefully we can beat Vettel but they look better in sector 3, which I guess was to be expected. Where is the Monaco-spec engine cover? I know its not as effective here as it would be at Monaco or Silverstone, but it should still give us an advantage here.

[Kyss4k]

You can't even try to guess who is fastest with race fuel load because almost every lap of every driver was spoiled by traffic. We will have to wait to race and we will see. But I am confident about our quali pace. Now, when Bulls don't have that ace in sleeve (I guess this mega Q3 laps by Bulls was due to that extreme quali engine maps) there is quite a good chance for pole.

[i'am back]

pole is crucial here like monaco!!!!

[zeus2]

sarahholtf1 on twitter
Fernando Alonso reckons he'll need a miracle to stop Red Bull taking yet another pole position. And that's from Friday's fastest man

Huh! whats that about? :-??

[Hermann]

sarahholtf1 on twitter
Fernando Alonso reckons he'll need a miracle to stop Red Bull taking yet another pole position. And that's from Friday's fastest man

Huh! whats that about? :-??


then lets hope for a miracle :pray

[FerrariF60]

sarahholtf1 on twitter
Fernando Alonso reckons he'll need a miracle to stop Red Bull taking yet another pole position. And that's from Friday's fastest man

Huh! whats that about? :-??

well if the MAN himself (Alonso) thinks that, then we could be in real trouble.
maybe it's just talk to make red fools feel better; i'm :pray that it isn't the case and that we'll take pole on saturday

[NJB13]

But it was not against the rules, until the FIA changed the rules, but here we go again, let's not pollute another thread because of your stubbornness :-)
Maybe "15 all" on the stubbornness front :-)


I have yet to see any article or team member not say this as a rule change, but really you believe nothing has changed and no rulings have changed, the rest of the paddock do. We have a ruling change for this race, and another more stricter new ruling for Silverstone, how anyone can deny that is beyond me :-)
They are finally implementing article 3.15 - unchanged since the start of the year. How anyone can't see that is beyond me :-)


FIA have known how effective it was since last season when RB used the same in Q3, they are changing their ruling now to interfere with the titles, nothing more nothing less. If the title was close then the FIA would not be interested in changing their ruling on this matter this year.
I agree the FiA is not honest in how and when they implement and follow rules - I'm on the record many times stating that. But the real injustice of their motives is that they knew about this at the start of the year and could have acted then - but they didn't - and I believe their motives for not acting then were just as manipulative as they are for the timing of their acting now.

In the end, I'm sure the FiA's explanation of the ban will be that the overrun breaches article 3.15 - and we both know that has not changed since the start of the year.

I'm equally confident that the overrun really is a breach of 3.15, so I'm sure no team will appeal their ruling and, if they did, they would loose. :-)

[burak karakutuk]

Alonso has a confidence that we can run tyres well,he is also saying track is very suit for us.New suspension is working right?:-)

[Bonjers]

Fernando is just being sensible, he says the same whenever we're looking good in practice. You can't really disagree with him either with RB's quali pace so far this season.

[sv_godspeed]

You can't even try to guess who is fastest with race fuel load because almost every lap of every driver was spoiled by traffic. We will have to wait to race and we will see. But I am confident about our quali pace. Now, when Bulls don't have that ace in sleeve (I guess this mega Q3 laps by Bulls was due to that extreme quali engine maps) there is quite a good chance for pole.

seems ominous for the race itself - how many times will we have to lap the HRTs and Virgins?

[Homan13PSU]

sarahholtf1 on twitter
Fernando Alonso reckons he'll need a miracle to stop Red Bull taking yet another pole position. And that's from Friday's fastest man

Huh! whats that about? :-??

Well, let's just look at Canada. 'Nando was the fastest through FP2 and 3 and who ended up taking pole?

[Stormsearcher]

But our race pace is not looking great is it?
????????????????????
How did you come to that conclusion

heard the commentator say we were doing 1. 44 something on the long runs while button n lewis were doing 1.43 something and vetterl was in the 1.42s.
Hope i heard it wrong, or we were trying much higher fuel loads to test those stupid pirellis.

[Greig]

Maybe "15 all" on the stubbornness front :-)


They are finally implementing article 3.15 - unchanged since the start of the year. How anyone can't see that is beyond me :-)


I agree the FiA is not honest in how and when they implement and follow rules - I'm on the record many times stating that. But the real injustice of their motives is that they knew about this at the start of the year and could have acted then - but they didn't - and I believe their motives for not acting then were just as manipulative as they are for the timing of their acting now.

In the end, I'm sure the FiA's explanation of the ban will be that the overrun breaches article 3.15 - and we both know that has not changed since the start of the year.

I'm equally confident that the overrun really is a breach of 3.15, so I'm sure no team will appeal their ruling and, if they did, they would loose. :-)

Seriously I have never once said they have changed a regulation they have changed their ruling of that regulation, if you can't accept that then sorry to say your just being stupid for the sake of it. You are simply incapable of seeing that for some bizarre reason, but in all honesty the whole subject bores me as does your constant ignorance to what the FIA has done.

[Lithium]

sarahholtf1 on twitter
Fernando Alonso reckons he'll need a miracle to stop Red Bull taking yet another pole position. And that's from Friday's fastest man

Huh! whats that about? :-??
It could mean that RBR are still faster (which wouldn't be much of a surprise), but it also could be that Nando wants to put more pressure on RBR and and not play up our own expectations too high. Let's face it, it would be stupid to say 'we will challenge for pole', especially when RBR have had pole position monopoly this season (so far). Anyways, it will all clear up tomorrow.

[scuderiafan]

nice, but i have a feeling that noone has shown their true pace yet.

Ferrari look very good though, and nice to see.

[Tifoso]

nice, but i have a feeling that noone has shown their true pace yet.

Ferrari look very good though, and nice to see.


Thanks mate :-)

[REDARMYSOJA]

nice, but i have a feeling that noone has shown their true pace yet.



I agree. Therefore I am curbing my enthusiasm until after the race.

[Kyss4k]

seems ominous for the race itself - how many times will we have to lap the HRTs and Virgins?

Yes, but you can't say... oh I don't have enough power to explain it today... :lou

[scuderiafan]

It seems the McLarens are now struggling with the tyres.

here is Ferraris take.


A reasonable start to the Valencia weekend, which kicks off a very busy cycle of four races in five weeks. Allowing for all the usual unknown factors on a Friday –different work schedules and fuel loads – the two Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro drivers displayed a good level of competitiveness in both sessions. Fernando Alonso was quickest in FP2, having been third in FP1, while Felipe Massa was sixth in the morning and fifth in the afternoon.

Fernando Alonso: “Overall, a positive start to this Valencia weekend, my second home race. We got through all our planned programme, working mainly on tyres, where the chief element at this Grand Prix is the first appearance of the Medium. It was important that we were able to do so many laps, because on a circuit like this one, getting a lot of kilometres under your belt helps you gain confidence in the car, looking for the limits and thereby improving performance. The track characteristics are well suited to our car, but it is too early to say where we are compared to the others. Already, in the past, we have gone well on the first day only to see ourselves losing out by a second in qualifying, therefore I don’t even want to consider today’s time sheet. In FP1 and FP2 you try so many things and the track changes very quickly – even more so on a street circuit like this one – so it is really impossible to make predictions. The car seems to handle well, therefore we can tackle qualifying with confidence, aware that we are up against very strong rivals: it’s not by chance that Red Bull have always taken pole in the first seven races of the year and clearly they are still the favourites. Overtaking here will be easier than in Monaco, but grid position will nevertheless be important.”

Felipe Massa: “I’d say it was a good day, better than many other Fridays this season. From what we could understand after three hours of free practice, the car is pretty competitive and I don’t expect the situation to be that different to the one we saw two weeks ago in Canada. It’s true it is only Friday, but at least it’s a positive start! The tyres worked well: both the Prime and the Option delivered more grip than we had been expecting going into the weekend. Sure, there’s a big difference between the two compounds, but the Medium, with higher temperatures than we saw in Canada, did not do badly. Now we must make the right decision regarding set-up on the car for the next two days. The car balance is not yet perfect – for example we are still locking the fronts too often under braking – but we are working in the right direction. Let’s hope we can put up a fight in qualifying, just as we did in Canada.”

Pat Fry: “Another busy day’s work, divided up as usual into working on development of new solutions and preparing for the race weekend. The track was not as dirty as expected, which allowed us to gather a lot of interesting data to evaluate over the next few hours in order to define our technical choices for the next two days. We still have to fine tune the car, so it is still a bit early to say if we will be as competitive as we were over the past two races. In particular, we must try and improve our performance in the third and final sector of the track. The Medium compound tyre makes its debut here: from what we could see, it offers less grip than the Soft, which is the other tyre for this Grand Prix, but we have not yet found out how it lasts over a long run as we worked mainly with the Option, as did so many other teams.”

[Alonsomaniac]

Vettel starting to sound like Hamilton?? : "Worried about this afternoon? Noooh, I wasn't concentrating on speed, just trying some new parts."

[luicchi]

good morning, people! ok let´s how its gonna be today...:ferrarifl

[Katu]

weather looks stunning in Valencia

[Hornet]

If anyone needs this
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/26911/5/european-grand-prix---practice-3.html

[Katu]

hamilton's overalls look again hideous

[Rishu]

If anyone needs this
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/26911/5/european-grand-prix---practice-3.html

Thanks mate

[burak karakutuk]

good mornig it is good:-):pass:ferrarifl

[zeus2]

Track temp 35° and rising, good for us.

[Katu]

InsideFerrari Scuderia Ferrari
At the moment the two cars have different front wings: triplane for Fernando, biplane for Felipe.

[vcs316]

If anyone needs this
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/26911/5/european-grand-prix---practice-3.html

Thank you!

[m schumy]

InsideFerrari

It is time for the first run, on Prime tyres

[Rishu]

Out come the Ferraris

[Rishu]

Alonso is looking in sublime touch :-)

[luicchi]

now in a front wing camera i could see our wing flexing a bit...i´m sure

[Rishu]

Ok, time to see Vettel........

[luicchi]

looking very good in the hard tyres our car...:-D

[Kyss4k]

For one moment I thought we are much quicker than the others... :roll

[luicchi]

Rb it´s going to play in the limits of it´s engine today and tomorrow...let´s see if the engine does not break....:pray to break...lolol

[Rishu]

Some set up change on Fernando's car while Felipe is leaving it as it is for the run on Option tyres

[luicchi]

Today and tomorrow i believe that we are gonna be very strong.

[m schumy]

Fernando P1

[Rishu]

Alonso 9 tenths up on Rosberg, 6 tenths on Felipe

[tifosi_kaka]

Actually it's a bit of a stupid question, but due to my deficiencies in English I never understand why Prime is the harder compound (e.g. Medium in Valencia) and Option is the softer ones? Would appreciate if anybody can explain it. Thanks!

Did Vettel set the 38.6 on primes? That's scary!

[Rishu]

I think RB is still half a second faster than us

[scuderiafan]

3rd sector Felipe fastest.

[luicchi]

I think RB is still half a second faster than us

i dont think that much...maybe 0.2 or 0.3 and still we gonna to improve...we will see...in qualy

[Rishu]

Actually it's a bit of a stupid question, but due to my deficiencies in English I never understand why Prime is the harder compound (e.g. Medium in Valencia) and Option is the softer ones? Would appreciate if anybody can explain it. Thanks!

Did Vettel set the 38.6 on primes? That's scary!

Its not a stupid question, harder tyre is always "Prime", softer of the two is "Option". And yes Vettel did that on Primes

[Kyss4k]

i dont think that much...maybe 0.2 or 0.3...we will see...in qualy

I think that they are much stronger here than the were in Canada. :-( I guess it is 0.5 at least... hope I am wrong.

[burak karakutuk]

Ferrari seems to very intense and convinced to me.Alonso drives like warrior but i think Redbull is still 0.1-0.2s faster.We need to push hard in sector 3 because there is the only place that they take advantage

[scuderiafan]

what about mcLaren?

[Rishu]

i dont think that much...maybe 0.2 or 0.3 and still we gonna to improve...we will see...in qualy

Vettel 1 sec down on Alonso & Option is about 1.7s quicker than Primes

[zeus2]

Red Bull do look to be about 4-5 tenths faster than us. Maybe they're risking it a bit with the engine mapping.

[burak karakutuk]

what about mcLaren?

Mclaren looks like they are not so happy with new middle compound

[scuderiafan]

Mclaren looks like they are not so happy with new middle compound
Seb now on options. lets see how much faster they really are.

EDIT: ah, getting held up, and still 0.4s up. :Hmm

[Bonjers]

Vettel held up a bit but still comfortably fastest.

[burak karakutuk]

Seb now on options. lets see how much faster they really are.

EDIT: ah, getting held up, and still 0.4s up. :Hmm

yes certainly they are faster than us and always improving time sheets easily:-s

[Ferrarichamp]

Vettel should easily get pole.

[burak karakutuk]

I guess today we will capture the second position with Fernando.What say you guys?

[scuderiafan]

Vettel even faster. wth!

FIA with egg on face?

but isnt s3 the downforce dependant sector? McLaren are awful through there, and losing a lot of time there.

[Rishu]

McLaren are awful through there, and losing a lot of time there.

They'll be on pace come Quali,they always do

[luicchi]

in qualy our focus is Vettel...we can be faster than him...i´m sure....i think that webber is in silverstone configuration map... and vettel in the limit map...i´m gonna laugh when the renault engine break.

[Greig]

Vettel even faster. wth!

FIA with egg on face?

but isnt s3 the downforce dependant sector? McLaren are awful through there, and losing a lot of time there.

Depends on fuel loads, and they can still run their mapping in practice

[zeus2]

I think Fernando can go a bit faster but pole is outta reach, unless Seb makes a mess of it.

[Rishu]

Depends on fuel loads, and they can still run their mapping in practice

Fair, but why would they do so? Scare others?

[Greig]

Fair, but why would they do so? Scare others?

Yep to make out they ain't lost anything

[burak karakutuk]

Here is a good cnahce again come on Ferrari do it this time please:-)

[scuderiafan]

They'll be on pace come Quali,they always do

probably. they are struggling on the mediums,

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92573

good to know that it wasnr just glory runs yesterday, and we are genuinly fast. hope Vettel was maybe running the maps, as that is astonishing speed if without them

[Rishu]

Yep to make out they ain't lost anything

if thats the case, then looking at Webber's time, it should be tight

[Tech_Skill]

Vettel even faster. wth!

FIA with egg on face?

but isnt s3 the downforce dependant sector? McLaren are awful through there, and losing a lot of time there.

Well, Lets see what happens in Quali as the mapping red bull pick for there they have to use for the race. Also, their whole car is designed around the EBD no? I dont think its a matter of simply forcing red bull into a less aggresssive engine mapping and then assuming that is going to hurt them as much as people suspect because its the entire package of car that has been designed around channeling air to the diffuser (the smaller kers unit or the fact that their kers in a different part of the car so as not to mess with the aero flow to the rear????)

Silverstone is where they may feel real pain perhaps.

[scuderiafan]

Well, Lets see what happens in Quali as the mapping red bull pick for there they have to use for the race. Also, their whole car is designed around the EBD no? I dont think its a matter of simply forcing red bull into a less aggresssive engine mapping is going to hurt them as much as people suspect because its the entire package of car that has been designed around channeling air to the diffuser (the smaller kers unit or the fact that their kers in a different part of the car so as not to mess with the aero flow to the rear????)

Silverstone is where they may feel real pain perhaps.

Horner said something along the lines of the Merc teams getting hit with the 'hot-blowing ban' in Silverstone.

might be winding Mac up, but apparently they do some sort of trick with the exhausts, and can keep it going through the whole race.

[NJB13]

I guess today we will capture the second position with Fernando.What say you guys?

I'm going for an all red front row from Q today :-)

[Rishu]

I'm going for an all red front row from Q today :-)

RED fools?? :-D

[zeus2]

I doubt RB'll run a different mapping in quali than the one they ran in FP3, doesn't make sense to try something you don't intend to use. They've probably decided to take a more aggressive aproach on Vettel's car regarding mappings (aleast thats what I think).

[scuderiafan]

European GP - Music on track


http://cdn.ferrari.com/Site_Collection_Image_260x200/110624_guetta_110046eur_260x200.jpg

Valencia, 24 June – Valencia sees another F1 Rocks event linking up with F1, as it has done since 2009 and one of the top DJs at the event was Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro special guest, David Guetta who was here with the team for this first day of practice for the European Grand Prix. Before his performance tonight at the Ciudad de las Artes y las Ciensas, the popular French DJ and music producer came to see the team in action from the pits. Guetta is a big racing and sports car fan and he was enthralled as engineers explainied what was going on prior to him meeting the Scuderia drivers, Felipe Massa and Fernando Alonso.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Webber couldn't do his lap properly, P3 for any of the Ferrari drivers will be fantastic, secretly hoping for something special from Alonso.

[Tech_Skill]

I doubt RB'll run a different mapping in quali than the one they ran in FP3, doesn't make sense to try something you don't intend to use. They've probably decided to take a more aggressive aproach on Vettel's car regarding mappings (aleast thats what I think).

Red bulls engine failures from last season, where they in any related to their agressive engine map?

[Greig]

BBC said they have been practicing changing the steering wheel in pitstops, maybe that is how they will get around running the full map till the first stop, if true shows how much they need it.

[NanoTheQuickest]

They are going to do their best trying to win the last race of the season which they can actually win without struggling, then they'll have poo poo down their pants!!!

Go Ferrari Go

[NJB13]

RED fools?? :-D

Hey! :-)

I know that you know there's only one red for me ... Wooo Hooooooo Forza Ferrari

[NanoTheQuickest]

BBC said they have been practicing changing the steering wheel in pitstops, maybe that is how they will get around running the full map till the first stop, if true shows how much they need it.

Basically one with the magic button and the other without!?

[Rishu]

Hey! :-)

I know that you know there's only one red for me ... Wooo Hooooooo Forza Ferrari

Sure. All the best for Quali :thumb

[scuderiafan]

BBC said they have been practicing changing the steering wheel in pitstops, maybe that is how they will get around running the full map till the first stop, if true shows how much they need it.

really?

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=IE8Activity&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trf1.net%2Fformula1_haberler%2F 21199-newey-fia-nin-kural-degisikligine-tepkili.html

Google translate :roll

but apparently, Newey had an off the record conversation with a Brazilian reporter, and there were many words, that he couldnt say, and that arent appropriate for the forum either :lol

he is not happy, i guess.

[zeus2]

Red bulls engine failures from last season, where they in any related to their agressive engine map?

Probably not. But I won't mind being wrong :-).


BBC said they have been practicing changing the steering wheel in pitstops, maybe that is how they will get around running the full map till the first stop, if true shows how much they need it.

Thats pretty clever, if they can manage it.

[Rishu]

BBC said they have been practicing changing the steering wheel in pitstops, maybe that is how they will get around running the full map till the first stop, if true shows how much they need it.

It makes mockery of FiA if its true

[Greig]

It makes mockery of FiA if its true

Not really, the FIA said you can change the map at the first stop, but at Silverstone it won't matter as the real rule change comes in.

[zeus2]

It makes mockery of FiA if its true

More like the FIA making a mockery of themselves. They didn't mention anything about changing mappings during a pitstop, just assumed no one would do it cause it would take too long.

[Rishu]

More like the FIA making a mockery of themselves. They didn't mention anything about changing mappings during a pitstop, just assumed no one would do it cause it would take too long.

Any clarity on what FiA said? because according to Greig, they allowed to change it during pit stop

[NanoTheQuickest]

I'm glad this is coming to an end, because RB's trickery to win races are starting to wind me up!!!!

[NJB13]

Any clarity on what FiA said? because according to Greig, they allowed to change it during pit stop

The only change for this race is that the Parc Ferme has a strict implementation. NOthing is supposed to be changed on the cars once they are in Parc Ferme. Until now, teams would change the software for the engine management while the cars were in PF. Now they can't do that. Team might try and get around that in Valencia by changing steering wheels - the new/changed one will have the new software already loaded - or they might simply plug a laptop in and try and download the new software at their first pitstop. Be great if RB tried that and a) cooked their donk running the overrun for too many laps and b) they had lots of problems changing the software and spent an eternity in the pits.

[Tech_Skill]

Thats pretty clever, if they can manage it.

You have to admire red bull sometimes, in regards to innovation and thinking on their feet

[scuderiafan]

i cant see RedBull changing wheels during pitstops. would take far too long, and i think could be a little like the pitstops at LeMans.

[zeus2]

Any clarity on what FiA said? because according to Greig, they allowed to change it during pit stop

from scarbs
Renault also were able to confirm “Some parameters are adjustable from the steering wheel, but not all. In Valencia, you can officially change your exhaust setting during the first pitstop, but you would need to plug a computer to the car, so it would take ages”.

So I assume it is permitted. They're just assuming its not practical. I doubt changing of steering wheel will have any effect on engine mapping, probably just doing routine pitstop practices for such scenarios.

[Greig]

The only change for this race is that the Parc Ferme has a strict implementation. NOthing is supposed to be changed on the cars once they are in Parc Ferme. Until now, teams would change the software for the engine management while the cars were in PF. Now they can't do that. Team might try and get around that in Valencia by changing steering wheels - the new/changed one will have the new software already loaded - or they might simply plug a laptop in and try and download the new software at their first pitstop. Be great if RB tried that and a) cooked their donk running the overrun for too many laps and b) they had lots of problems changing the software and spent an eternity in the pits.

They could probably plug the laptop in and still be quicker than our stops :-)

[Greig]

i cant see RedBull changing wheels during pitstops. would take far too long, and i think could be a little like the pitstops at LeMans.

They changed Webber's in Canada?, driver can take it off very quickly

[Rishu]

The only change for this race is that the Parc Ferme has a strict implementation. NOthing is supposed to be changed on the cars once they are in Parc Ferme. Until now, teams would change the software for the engine management while the cars were in PF. Now they can't do that. Team might try and get around that in Valencia by changing steering wheels - the new/changed one will have the new software already loaded - or they might simply plug a laptop in and try and download the new software at their first pitstop. Be great if RB tried that and a) cooked their donk running the overrun for too many laps and b) they had lots of problems changing the software and spent an eternity in the pits.

Well, I would very interested to see their pit stops, great, if they can manage in 4 secs

[scuderiafan]

They changed Webber's in Canada?, driver can take it off very quickly

didn't see that. did they lose any time?