Vettel requested stewards look at Alonso move

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

Sebastian Vettel pulled off what will go down as one of the best overtaking moves of the 2011 season to regain the lead from Fernando Alonso in Italy.
Whilst the Red Bull driver stormed to victory after the decisive overtake, which saw him forced onto the grass by the Spaniard, it didn't stop him questioning the move.
It's been revealed that Vettel approached the race stewards, which included former driver Derek Daly, and the FIA after the race, requesting they look at the footage to decide whether or not Ferrari driver should have been penalised.
Describing the overtake, Vettel said he had chosen to go to the outside at the last minute, hoping Alonso would see him and give him the required room.
"I decided spontaneously to go left and then I thought, I just hope he has seen me because he kept going left, left, left," he said.
"There wasn’t much space. I stayed on full throttle but fortunately the corner opened up, I had two wheels on the grass, and then once I was side-by-side he was obviously aware that I was still there and then there was another battle getting onto the brakes, who hit the brakes first. I hit first and then he was quite late but I had the inside so I was quite relieved after I was ahead."
Alonso took the opportunity to apologise with a simple 'sorry' during the post-race press conference, though he admitted he had little to lose from making the pass.
"We have nothing to lose in the battles with Sebastian. He is leading the championship by 100 points I think, so when we have to defend we will be a little bit harder with him. Sorry [directed at Vettel].

[shostak]

By this kind of behaviour i don't like Vettel.

[Ferrari Man]

The finger boy had to go cry to the stewards......

[Hornet]

I didn't think Alonso defending move last weekend was as ruthless as some of the things Schumi and Lewis have done.

Vettel needs to grow a pair

[REDARMYSOJA]

I like Vettel, but that sounds like the type of entitlement mentality we see from Hamilton, "How dare anyone race me hard"

[Rob]

:roll spoilt lil brat. Its good racing Vetts, just because you have to get out front from pole, because you hate overtaking and cannt handle it. What was he expecting? Fernando to pull right over to the right hand side and just not fight and defend the lead and his position. Making Vetts fight. Grow up, get on with it. Welcome to fighting hard with Ferrari and a real 2 time WDC, who can race from 5, 6, 7,8 or lower on grid.

[Rob]

Alonso warns Vettel to expect 'hard' racing
Tuesday 13 September at 08:35 : Sep.13 (GMM)

Fernando Alonso has warned runaway championship leader Sebastian Vettel to expect more "hard" racing in the final throes of the 2011 season.

After winning at Monza last weekend, Red Bull's Vettel recalled that Spaniard Alonso raced "hard but fair" as the Ferrari driver defended his early lead.

And although writing off his chances of beating Vettel to the crown, Alonso warned the German to expect more hard racing in the remaining six races.

"Yeah, we have nothing to lose in the battles with Sebastian," said Alonso, who is in second place behind Vettel's championship lead but 112 points behind.

"He is leading the championship by 100 points I think, so when we have to defend we will be a little bit harder with him," he added.

Alonso, 30, thinks he might be able to challenge Vettel in Singapore in two weeks, the scene of his victories in 2008 and 2010.

"Of the races remaining I think Singapore is probably the best one for our car characteristics," he said.



http://www.onestopstrategy.com/dailyf1news/nieuw/article/15365-Alonso+warns+Vettel+to+expect+%27hard%27+racing.ht ml

[Tifoso]

Starting to dislike him a tad....

[Alonsomaniac]

Where have all the real men gone? If you have a problem with someone, then go up to him and talk about it. And if he refuses to listen and you are very mad, then make him listen.
I remember Ayrton Senna who was held up while trying to lap a young Irvine. After the race Ayrton did not go to the stewards but went to Irvine's trailer, gave him a bang against his head and left.
Irvine understood the message and they never had any problems again.
I don't like these Vettel (and Hamilton) way of handling things - and certainly not after Alonso had said sorry so acknowledged it was somewhat tricky.
Then you can do two things when in Vettels shoes: either you accept the apology or you don't and tell Fernando to **** off.
But you don't say nothing and later go complaining to the stewards in order to get a penalty...

[Greig]

Senna was annoyed that Eddie overtook him to un-lap himself :-) Spoilt brat ;-)

[Hermann]

I remember a race where Vettel almost pushed Fernando into the wall after the start, what i don't remember is: did Fernando go to the stewards after the race asking them to take a look? And did Vettel apologize?

[Ferrari Man]

I think I remember a Mr Schumacher having a quiet word with Mr Coulthard in Spa 98...

[Homan13PSU]

I remember a race where Vettel almost pushed Fernando into the wall after the start, what i don't remember is: did Fernando go to the stewards after the race asking them to take a look? And did Vettel apologize?

Nope. I think Alonso was too busy drinking bubbly from the top podium.

[M.K]

Nope. I think Alonso was too busy drinking bubbly from the top podium.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Germany 2010? In that case....

[scuderiafan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Germany 2010? In that case....

:lol
OT but interesting how he says that Singapore should be good for us. I would have thought it would be bad since the car now struggles in those types of corners.

I guess he would know more.

[M.K]

:lol
OT but interesting how he says that Singapore should be good for us. I would have thought it would be bad since the car now struggles in those types of corners.

I guess he would know more.
We have new upgrade package for Singapore, maybe something in it....but realistically our only chance could be Alonso and Massa in front of Maccas after first corner, after that just Shumi style Monza defensing and hope for podium. Just like last year but with slower car. I dont even dream about Vettel or RBR, that fight is lost. Rain at the start would be good.... Anyways we need a lot of luck to be competitive.

[justjesper]

Where have all the real men gone? If you have a problem with someone, then go up to him and talk about it. And if he refuses to listen and you are very mad, then make him listen.

Funny :lol I remember when they were eating half chicken's in Tour de France, back in the days. Time has changed. The amount of money up for grabs is so big. I'm not saying that your wrong, not at all. I think the sport would be better could it all be handled with a personal confrontation.
Sadly this is the way now.
Sebastian did tell Alonso that he put him on the grass. Alonso just didn't care. So I guess he did what you suggested, except when Alonso did not care, I think he or any one in a situation where a driver feels "stepped on" (lack of a better word), did the right thing going to the FIA.
There wasn't any problem with this and we are home safe.

I don't see the problem, honestly.

[Greig]

Alonso said sorry, so how do you get he did not care?


Q: Fernando, Sebastian said a minute ago you didn’t give him very much room. What’s your analysis of the situation” Hard but fair? Lot of pride to defend here in Italy I guess?
FA: Yeah, we have nothing to lose in the battles with Sebastian. He is leading the championship by 100 points I think, so when we have to defend we will be a little bit harder with him. Sorry.

[Corey]

I wonder why the press conference didn't end up like Trulli's and Sutil's at Abu Dhabi in 2009. All was missing were pictures of the replays. ;-)

[killer]

Fernando said sorry. Nothing happened--you pulled it off. Or did you just want everyone to see that glorious move of yours again?

Come on, Seb. :-??

[NJB13]

Seb's 2011 overtaking highlight reel now has something on it

[epiclyaddicted]

Alonso said sorry, so how do you get he did not care?

Not blaming Fernando, but to me, that doesn't sound like "sorry", as in apologising, but more like "sorry, you just have to deal with it". Which is fair I think, as he said, Vettel has an unassailable lead in the Championship, so what's the harm? :-)

[Greig]

Yeah maybe that's how it was :-)

[killer]

Not blaming Fernando, but to me, that doesn't sound like "sorry", as in apologising, but more like "sorry, you just have to deal with it". Which is fair I think, as he said, Vettel has an unassailable lead in the Championship, so what's the harm? :-)

Agreed. I take back saying Fernando apologized but the point about Seb running off to the stewards to tell on Fernando still stands. :-P

[epiclyaddicted]

Agreed. I take back saying Fernando apologized but the point about Seb running off to the stewards to tell on Fernando still stands. :-P

"Mummy, mummy, Fernando is telling me bad things!" :-(

:-D

[NanoTheQuickest]

Ferrari has to get it right next year, I really want our boys to show them who the real racers are! I recall Alonso against Massa in 2007, none of this stewards blablabla, straight after the race "what the **** is wrong with you", like real men.

Vettel is just getting too cocky. He really thinks his driving skills are so superior and that's because Webber is useless, I don't recall anyone getting destroyed like that with an identical car (and yes Rubbens was better than that against MS and the team strategy was very clear at that time).
Vettel forgets that his car is the easiest to drive, put Fernando in that N°2 RB car for the rest of the season just for fun and Vettel would look so ridiculous after a couple race he would know what to do with himself.

Sorry but this kind of attitude really winds me up and should not be part of F1 racing.

[Meiga]

In all fairness to Vettel, it was most likely a team decision, and not his own.

But as some people were saying, after his display at Nurburgring 2010 he cannot complain too much... ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHqp-hZSLHY...feature=related

[Greig]

It's Hockenheim ;-)

[Meiga]

It's Hockenheim ;-)

:oops Oh, my! I need another coffee (or two).

[Greig]

:lol

[Werner]

Vettel suck, put him in any ather car than a Red Bull & he will be in the mid field. Ferrari must get Massa to take vellet out in the next race. We have got nothing to loose ???

[Werner]

Sorry I mean Vettel spelling error :-D

[justjesper]

This thread sounds more and more like a bunch of bad losers :lol

[Greig]

nobody has mentioned the race result, plenty of praise for Vettel's drive on here but don't let that get in the way of your bitterness :-)

[justjesper]

Thank you :lol
No bitterness here :-)

[Greig]

so why are people bad losers?

[Alonsomaniac]

so why are people bad losers?

Don't understand that either....anyway Vettel behaved like a child who's toy is taken away. He should not do that, he does not need that.
By doing it the way he did he won't make himself popular in the paddock and Alonso will only laugh , knowing he is the strongest mentally and be even harder on Vettel next time.

[theforce]

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I don't think Vettle's got anything to complain about:-P

[puto.havana]

Vettel can say what he likes quite frankly. As long as Nando doesn't get a penalty at the next race, I really don't care.

[ruud king]

Vettel sounds like a real german, complaining just drive and shut up i would say, fingerboy (love that name folks :-P ) is more then a 100points ahead of nando.....so what's to complain!

[Suzie]

Vettel suck, put him in any ather car than a Red Bull & he will be in the mid field. Ferrari must get Massa to take vellet out in the next race. We have got nothing to loose ???

Flavio? Is that you?

[justjesper]

I see nothing wrong with it. This is how I see it.
Vettel didn't get an apology from Alonso, not sure if he should had given him one. Vettel thinks it was to hard, so he goes to the FIA.
The FIA rules: Racing incident ( I assume ).
End of story

I also think the FIA did the right thing and letting some good fighting back into Formula 1. I hope it stays like this.

It was a great race.

[justjesper]

Flavio? Is that you?

:lol

[MarlboroFA]

Alonso said sorry, so how do you get he did not care?

if you didn`t get that, that sorry was just way of saying live with it....

[racingbradley]

Vettel and Alonso team mates in the future :roll----nah I can't see it. He might just have burned his bridges. :lol

[racingbradley]

Vettel suck, put him in any ather car than a Red Bull & he will be in the mid field. Ferrari must get Massa to take vellet out in the next race. We have got nothing to loose ???

Now that sucks! Massa would never stoop so low neither would Ferrari for that matter. :-E (I just hope you were joking--someone could lose their life with that behaviour)
Don't forget this is a SPORT not a battle for survival. :-??
After all of this disappointment winning will be so sweet when it is achieved fairly. :-)

[Nathan]

Vettel should just have taken it as 'the grass made it all the more spectacular'

[Kingdom Hearts]

Vettel should just have taken it as 'the grass made it all the more spectacular'

Indeed, thanks to Alonso, now everybody is talking about how great overtaker Vettel is :lol

[sav_pap]

Let the bitch cry!:lou

[Katu]

Now that sucks! Massa would never stoop so low neither would Ferrari for that matter. :-E (I just hope you were joking--someone could lose their life with that behaviour)
Don't forget this is a SPORT not a battle for survival. :-??
After all of this disappointment winning will be so sweet when it is achieved fairly. :-)

you are so right, they wouldn't do that. it's unacceptable behaviour for a driver (to crash deliberately into other driver) and even more unacceptable for anyone in team to suggest it.

[impactX]

Flavio? Is that you?

With less than half the championship points of Alonso, the resemblance between Massa this year and Piquet Junior in 2008 is just remarkable!

[Katu]

With less than half the championship points of Alonso, the resemblance between Massa this year and Piquet Junior in 2008 is just remarkable!

it is, but i hardly think Stefano would be such a jerk Flav was and force someone to crash...

[Homan13PSU]

Webber talked about Vettels overtake and Nando's defense of position in his BBC piece today. Flat out said Nando did nothing wrong.

[justjesper]

And so did the FIA.

[NanoTheQuickest]

Webber talked about Vettels overtake and Nando's defense of position in his BBC piece today. Flat out said Nando did nothing wrong.

Nando's and Webs are best mates, and the oz is not to keen on Vettel or should I say "Vessel" like my Gran calls him ;-):lol. That explains why he defends Fernando!!!

[Katu]

Nando's and Webs are best mates, and the oz is not to keen on Vettel or should I say "Vessel" like my Gran calls him ;-):lol. That explains why he defends Fernando!!!
i though Kubica was Fernando's best friend...

[Katu]

Nando's and Webs are best mates, and the oz is not to keen on Vettel or should I say "Vessel" like my Gran calls him ;-):lol. That explains why he defends Fernando!!!
i though Kubica was Fernando's best friend...

[Alessandra]

Everyone wants to overtake Alonso. It carries the same status as overtaking Schumacher or Senna.
The fact that overtaking one of the greats is generally accomplished when they have a less competetive care is usually ignored. I've just read someone who should know better callng it a 'sublime'move (Vettel's) Sublime:lol I think not. Alonso overtaking Schumacher, I think in Japan - now that was sublime!
Alonso is sane and therefore everyone knows he's not going to risk his life.
But, he needs to let them know that he's not a pushover so we will be a little bit harder with him. Sorry [directed at Vettel]. It's a promise, not a threat.

[Greig]

Alonso passing MS in Japan was not sublime, MS was not in a competitive car and he let Alonso pass by moving to the inside and backing out of it, was nothing great about it and involved no talent at all really, Alonso just took the racing line.

[Meiga]

Alonso passing MS in Japan was not sublime, MS was not in a competitive car and he let Alonso pass by moving to the inside and backing out of it, was nothing great about it and involved no talent at all really, Alonso just took the racing line.

You could say the same of Webber's overtake at Eau Rouge or Vettel's in Monza, but still they were nice moves.

Alonso's 130R pass is widely considered a great one.

[Greig]

You could say the same of Webber's overtake at Eau Rouge or Vettel's in Monza, but still they were nice moves.

Alonso's 130R pass is widely considered a great one.

Considered by who? Alonso fans? lol

MS did not even put his car in a position to make it hard, why would anyone find that good?

Webber's was a much nicer move in Spa you are right about that :-)

[NanoTheQuickest]

Well well, Lucky for him Fernando back out off that one too, I don't call that a "great" pass, It's a "I have lucky pants on today my word" or "I will not get away with one like that next time" Or "Nando you're such a gentleman", or "thank god we're buddies" kind of pass.

And he also had the racing line :roll, so no biggy here either!!!

[Greig]

I never said it was great :-) it was a nice bold move that is all

[Alessandra]

Alonso passing MS in Japan was not sublime, MS was not in a competitive car and he let Alonso pass by moving to the inside and backing out of it, was nothing great about it and involved no talent at all really, Alonso just took the racing line.

"Sublime' is clearly in the eye of the beholder:-) but from an overhead shot that pass, IMO, was an expressive, unecessarily beautiful piece of movement, which had FA's then race engineer rocking back on his stool on the bench as he watched it.
FA had the faster car, he didn't need to push it, but it was pure love of driving that made the move as we saw it. And, as some said, it was necessary to have a driver of MS's ability to bring it off safely.
Now Vettel's pass was not "sublime".
To my eye it was a forceful and inelegant piece of driving in a faster car, nothing wrong with that, and dependent possibly even more on the other driver's skills, as well as his own, to bring it off.

PS I think "sublime' is an odd word to use anyway, but it seems to cover an aesthetic aspect of racing. Some people (even on this site) regard the cars themselves as work of art. To me, some pieces of driving have a beauty in excess of necessity.
That's enough - back to work!:wave

[Greig]

he took the racing line while MS pulled to the inside.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYKtqJZhq2g&feature=related

Surely Alonso has done some better overtaking that this.....

[Alessandra]

Greig @ 65 Surely Alonso has done some better overtaking that this....

Listen you ! I was happy with my memories until you start providing 'proof' they they're a mirage!
And another thing, I said the overhead shot was beautful. I put my VHS casssette clip smehwhere. I will find it and then.....you'll be sorry.

Are you sure you're not my husband?!! If so, don't bother looking 4 your dinner tonight, I'm going out!:-(

[Greig]

LOL don't get me wrong Alonso was brave but MS gave it up as he was clever enough to know what might happen, many people rave on about Mika passing MS at Spa, I thought it was rubbish as well, I much prefer my overtaking moves to be worked for and sometimes take a few laps to come to pass, my own personal favourite moves are MS on Mika at Monza 98 and MS on Kimi at Brazil 06 :-)

[racingbradley]

I have a few I like. The purist among you will not agree but for the entertainment element I rate them high. :-D

Monza 2011 Lewis trying to pass MS for at least 20 laps & Button whizzing past the pair of them.
Hungary 2008 Massa passing both McLarens on the first corner on the outside---especially after Lewis had said at the previous race that "no one passes me on the outside"
!9993 Suzuka Then there was Irvine passing Senna to unlap himself. Makes me smile everytime I think of it. :-) cheeky or what????

[Alessandra]

I much prefer my overtaking moves to be worked for and sometimes take a few laps to come to pass, my own personal favourite moves are MS on Mika at Monza 98 and MS on Kimi at Brazil 06 :-)

Ah, you mean o/t that doesn't involve taking 3 other cars off the track! Like using your brain? Tricky that.......


Racingbradley @ 68Monza 2011 Lewis trying to pass MS for at least 20 laps & Button whizzing past the pair of them.

Any o/t on LH is a joy if only because he's been so offensive about his fellow drivers' skills IMO.

[Hermann]

Ah, you mean o/t that doesn't involve taking 3 other cars off the track! Like using your brain? Tricky that.......


Racingbradley @ 68Monza 2011 Lewis trying to pass MS for at least 20 laps & Button whizzing past the pair of them.

Any o/t on LH is a joy if only because he's been so offensive about his fellow drivers' skills IMO.

Especially when after claiming 'nobody is overtaking me on the outside!!' and then getting overtaken on the outside right at the next race.

[EL NANO]

I remember a race where Vettel almost pushed Fernando into the wall after the start, what i don't remember is: did Fernando go to the stewards after the race asking them to take a look? And did Vettel apologize?

So true! Guys the best revenge is getting our car right in 2012... Bye bye VET...

[EL NANO]

You could say the same of Webber's overtake at Eau Rouge or Vettel's in Monza, but still they were nice moves.

Alonso's 130R pass is widely considered a great one.
I agree that move was sublime and cherished by alll ALO fans...

[Greig]

Really? why do they cherish that?

Him driving around MS at Hungary 06 was much more of a move to cherish, in fact his progress at the start in Hungary 06 is worth much more than the non event at Suzuka :-)

[scuderiafan]

one of the Alonso moves i liked was him against Hamilton going through Eau Rouge in 2007. brilliant, ballsy stuff.

[Meiga]

Really? why do they cherish that?

Him driving around MS at Hungary 06 was much more of a move to cherish, in fact his progress at the start in Hungary 06 is worth much more than the non event at Suzuka :-)

Probably for the same reason the guy in the video link you provided says "just look at this and(in?) disbelief".

[Greig]

You better not watch the Webber v Alonso at Spa then because they went even more nuts over it.....

If that is your benchmark for what is good...

[RockyRaccoon]

It was a move that was more impressive for the guts it required than the actual skill involved. 130R is single file and the move required MS's co-operation to work, had MS stuck to the racing line Alonso never would have pulled that move off. Still the corner is tougher to take than it looks as Algersuari showed last year and it was a ballsy move.

There are much more impressive example of Alonso's overtaking skills IMO eg. Hungary 06, Massa Nurburgring '07, Heidfeld France '07, Webber Monaco '08, Trulli Bahrain '09 etc

[Greig]

There are much more impressive example of Alonso's overtaking skills IMO eg. Hungary 06, Massa Nurburgring '07, Heidfeld France '07, Webber Monaco '08, Trulli Bahrain '09 etc

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