2012 European GP - Race thread

[icedeepan]

Here is to a stunning race from our boys today! Bring it on! :thumb

[Ferrarichamp]

:ferrarifl

[bonzo]

Which is better in terms of strategy- soft, soft, hard, or, soft,hard,soft. If it is a 2- stopper race, that is?

[Kingdom Hearts]

I don't think the soft will last too much, maybe medium-medium-soft or soft-medium-medium to have a better start.


Go Grosjean and Go Maldonado, we need this guys on the podium or winning to help us.

Forza Ferrari :ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[vcs316]

Should be Hard-Soft-Soft. We can definitely afford a gamble today!

[Corey]

Won't be long till that Red Bull will make toast out of it's tyres. Just hope that Hamy will keep up with Vettel and provide us with a collision.

[bonzo]

Ferrari starting on primes would result in RB , Maccas and Lotus opening a bigger gap which would be impossible to close later. So, soft tyres at the beginning seems adequate decision.

[Forzi]

I don't see us making places by passing, so i'd say we should go on mediums for most of the time. If we get a train going on at the front we'll be there to abuse it. And besides, we were pretty much the best on mediums in Q1. This will probably result in the top 2 or top 3 pulling quite a gap from us, but we're sadly not racing here for the win mates.

[Corey]

We'll do the softs when the fuel loads are low then we can get more out of it. Who cares if the gap opens up before the 1st stops, retiring cars and an SC will bring everything back to us. The heavy fuel load wears the soft tyres down quicker anyway.

[Forzi]

Gladly we got our boys on the clean side :-)

[sav_pap]

Where is rain when you need it?

[sav_pap]

Hope not to watch a repeat of Abu Dhabi 2010 today.

[Hornet]

Biggest question is can we pass other cars at this track?

If we cannot, then the only way is to start with the prime tires and go as long as possible, to pass the cars in front through pit stop strategy.

[sav_pap]

Alonso said that pole in Valencia is not a big matter. But 11th is too far back in the grid to hope for something good. I assume we are in a damage limitation mode again this weekend instead of fighting for victory.

[sav_pap]

Biggest question is can we pass other cars at this track?

If we cannot, then the only way is to start with the prime tires and go as long as possible, to pass the cars in front through pit stop strategy.

Our car is not superior enough to overtake in this track.:mad:

[Tobes]

We'll do the softs when the fuel loads are low then we can get more out of it. Who cares if the gap opens up before the 1st stops, retiring cars and an SC will bring everything back to us. The heavy fuel load wears the soft tyres down quicker anyway.

I agree, start on a new set of the mediums while every car infront of us are on worn softs, the weight of fuel will dictate every car ahead of us will have to pit earlier than Fernando, we just need to be there or there abouts, the track surface is pretty abrasive here, (the GP2 race had tires falling off before the end of the race) so think we'll have to two stop, so mediums again and would think a final stint on low fuel and softs would make most sense...
The big worry is the SC coming out early if we haven't pitted and other cars have, but that's the gamble... :-)

[Greig]

Agreed, medium/medium/soft would seem the way to go, as Tobes said though the big risk is SC but you can't really account for that. Hopefully our pace keeps us in touch :-)

[Tobes]

Our car is not superior enough to overtake in this track.:mad:

I don't think it's an inferior car, it's all about the tires, the cars that qualified in the top ten did so on soft tires and with a 38° track temp, during the GP2 race this morning it was already 40°, going to be 50° by the time we race, those cars ahead will chew through there part worn softs early on, really think we've got a good shout for a podium today... :-)

[sav_pap]

I don't think it's an inferior car, it's all about the tires, the cars that qualified in the top ten did so on soft tires and with a 38° track temp, during the GP2 race this morning it was already 40°, going to be 50° by the time we race, those cars ahead will chew through there part worn softs early on, really think we've got a good shout for a podium today... :-)

Sorry i hadn't noticed the "overtaking trought pitstop strategy"

[Tobes]

Sorry i hadn't noticed the "overtaking trought pitstop strategy"

It won't be solely based on pitstop strategy, the final stint on light fuel and soft tires should give us the opportunity to overtake on track towards the end, much like others did to us in Canada... :-)

[sav_pap]

Amen! But with so bad luck behind us so far I doubt if we will reach the target. But you never know. We need back the old Gastone.

[fronaldo]

me too..medium/medium/soft is right choice

[Alfa159]

Where is rain when you need it?


I'd rather have a car that can compete with others in the dry as the majority of races are generally run in dry conditions. Relying on rain is a cop out!

[Tobes]

What do we think... (SkyF1 viewers)

The Mall..?

Definately not Oxford St, think it goes Birdcage Walk down to Big Ben, turn left down The Embankment, left again to Traf Sq and left down The Mall... :Hmm

[vae32]

Biggest question is can we pass other cars at this track?

If we cannot, then the only way is to start with the prime tires and go as long as possible, to pass the cars in front through pit stop strategy.

Lotus and sauber are very easy with there tyres and they will be the ones can do long stint, they will outlast our tyres no problem...but there's a down side to them is, it takes them awhile to get heat into there tyres. Because the temp is still hot it help's them for sure, but i guarantee you this that they will take at least 4 to 5 laps until they start picking up pace. And that's alot of time for alonso to pass them, but he has to push the first stint...because it will be alot of lock-ups by lotus and sauber first stint. But if he pass them at the start its even better for us, it's much harder to pass them when there tyres are up to temp because these two team's got top speeds. I still think lotus are the ones to watch out for.

[458 Italia]

What do we think... (SkyF1 viewers)

The Mall..?

Definately not Oxford St, think it goes Birdcage Walk down to Big Ben, turn left down The Embankment, left again to Traf Sq and left down The Mall... :Hmm

I liked it when they drove down Regent Street, it was a spectacular sight.

[vae32]

I don't think it's an inferior car, it's all about the tires, the cars that qualified in the top ten did so on soft tires and with a 38° track temp, during the GP2 race this morning it was already 40°, going to be 50° by the time we race, those cars ahead will chew through there part worn softs early on, really think we've got a good shout for a podium today... :-)

You hit the nail on the head there my friend, but don't forget lotus and sauber they out last everybody's tyres the last race with a 1 stopper and still setting good times right to the end, and your right we still have a shot at the the podium if we play our card's right from the get go. There's a high chance lotus and sauber will go for a 1 stopper this race again...which will work out better for us.

[stefa]

I don't think the soft will last too much, maybe medium-medium-soft or soft-medium-medium to have a better start.


Go Grosjean and Go Maldonado, we need this guys on the podium or winning to help us.

Forza Ferrari :ferrarifl:ferrarifl

When Ferrari will start helping it self?!?!?!? They don't need to relay on others!

[stefa]

FA will start on HARD

[Tobes]

I liked it when they drove down Regent Street, it was a spectacular sight.

Yeah, went to that too, was absolutely heaving, couldn't move, some noise... :-)

[DIEK]

Hello guys, in in the circuit!

[REDARMYSOJA]

Where is rain when you need it?

Where's a bulldozer when you need it? I hate this track.

[Hornet]

If anyone need a link
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/48957/1/f1---european-grand-prix-race-live-stream-online.html


Hello guys, in in the circuit!

Have a good time :-D


Where's a bulldozer when you need it? I hate this track.
:lol

[vae32]

My opinion ATTACKS the word, tyre strategy soft-medium-soft
:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[Tobes]

You hit the nail on the head there my friend, but don't forget lotus and sauber they out last everybody's tyres the last race with a 1 stopper and still setting good times right to the end, and your right we still have a shot at the the podium if we play our card's right from the get go. There's a high chance lotus and sauber will go for a 1 stopper this race again...which will work out better for us.

Absolutely agree, the surface at Canada is far less abrasive than here so hoping Lotus and Sauber do go for a one stop, if track temps hit 50° (as predicted) wouldn't think either Lotus or Sauber could manage a one stop...

[Greig]

FA will start on HARD

Medium ;-)

[Hornet]

Everyone is saying the temps are high. Hopefully our strategy will work out for us :pray

[stefa]

Medium ;-)

Just saw it on TV. White PIRELLI logo on FA Ferrari...

[Naeem]

Brundel's gridwalks are a thing of beauty, as is Natalie pinkham. Jus' sayin' :)

As for strategy I think we should go aggressive. Soft/medium/ soft.

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[Hornet]

Just saw it on TV. White PIRELLI logo on FA Ferrari...

I think its medium and soft

So the primes will be medium.

[M.K]

Good afternoon guys! :ferrarifl

[stefa]

I think its medium and soft

So the primes will be medium.

;-) point is he will start on harder compound anyway

[sav_pap]

I'd rather have a car that can compete with others in the dry as the majority of races are generally run in dry conditions. Relying on rain is a cop out!

Me to. But f2012 is not this kind of a car. So far!!!

[Tobes]

Just saw it on TV. White PIRELLI logo on FA Ferrari...

White is medium, silver is hard, they look very similar... yellow is soft and red obviously super-soft...

Think we have medium and soft this weekend... :-)

[458 Italia]

A good start please! :pray

[Bonjers]

Time to cause carnage Pastor.

[SanderV]

Good afternoon and good luck :ferrarifl

[Tobes]

Brundle just said Fernando on the softs... :-??

[stefa]

White is medium, silver is hard, they look very similar... yellow is soft and red obviously super-soft...

Think we have medium and soft this weekend... :-)

As I said, anyway it is harder compound

[Greig]

Alonso on soft

[M.K]

we're on the options....

[Sianellen]

Both our drivers on softs.

[stefa]

sorry. i am blind. i saw white pirelli logo...

[fronaldo]

alonso soft..schumi medium..

[Greig]

Schumi on mediums, maybe the better idea, we shall see :-)

[stefa]

:oops

[Tobes]

As I said, anyway it is harder compound

Must have just driven to the grid on the mediums, now on softs, only Schumi on the mediums...

[Sianellen]

Good luck everyone! :-)

[stefa]

So much of SV and LH crash

[Bonjers]

Awesome pass! 8th.

[m schumy]

Good start by Fernando

[Corey]

Massa :clap

[458 Italia]

Great start!

[SanderV]

Great stuff from our drivers!

[Greig]

Good start by our boys, cmon!

[Katu]

very good start

[Bonjers]

Great start by both.

[stefa]

... and there SV goes...

[458 Italia]

vettel running away with it....

[REDARMYSOJA]

Vettel was a rocket.

Great start for our guys though!

[458 Italia]

Button passed Michael.

[stefa]

5+ sec in just 3 laps!?!?!?!?

[SanderV]

So now we wait for the first pit stops. Vettel's pace is unbelievable.

[458 Italia]

7.6 lead for vettel.

[stefa]

This is so depressing...

[KurtC]

so lewis is holding back everyone

[458 Italia]

Felipe is looking good. :-)

[Nathan]

Zzzzzz.....

I hate Valencia

[458 Italia]

vettel is a full second a lap quicker than everyone else.

[KurtC]

at this rate Vettel will pit and leave the pits in P1 ..

[458 Italia]

Zzzzzz.....

I hate Valencia

Yep boring.

[sav_pap]

Heidi disappeared

[sav_pap]

Welcome to lewis train...

[m schumy]

Vettel`s running away.....

[stefa]

So, if nothing unpredictable happen, another race without Ferrari win...

[sav_pap]

Trains are the new fashion in f1

[sav_pap]

So, if nothing unpredictable happen, another race without Ferrari win...

Exactly

[Tobes]

at this rate Vettel will pit and leave the pits in P1 ..

How long does a pit stop take here..?

[458 Italia]

Lotus could still spring a surprise

[458 Italia]

lol Hamilton.

[Katu]

good from Grosjean!

[sav_pap]

Exactly what i said : abu dhabi 2010

[Bonjers]

Brilliant Romain.

[KurtC]

nice overtake Roman!!!!

[458 Italia]

button pits

[458 Italia]

as does perez

[sav_pap]

Lewis took a nap...

[KurtC]

How long does a pit stop take here..?

around 15 sec a short pit stop,

[458 Italia]

massa in

[sav_pap]

How humiliating to compete with force indias at the same level

[KurtC]

well seems like 20seconds now haha anyway still 1 secs gap is huge gap

[458 Italia]

Perez is the quickest man on track.

[Tobes]

around 15 sec a short pit stop,

:thumb

[Katu]

fernando passed hülkenberg

[sav_pap]

Alo yeah

[458 Italia]

yay Alonso 7

[ferrari4life]

why did massa pit so early?

[m schumy]

Alonso P7 :-)

[m schumy]

Kimi passed Maldonado

[Bonjers]

Now we're flying.

[sav_pap]

Now time for push he will pit

[458 Italia]

Raikkonen up to 5th

[458 Italia]

Hamilton pits

[Tobes]

Fernando on the move now... :-)

[m schumy]

Lewis pits

[Corey]

2.9 sec stop for HAM?? :-E

What's this season's record again?

[FerrariF60]

wow, mcloser's pitstop for lewise was 2.9s....that is quick

[Bonjers]

Mwahaha. 5th

[SanderV]

Alonso doing great

[sav_pap]

Alo p6

[KurtC]

wow Maclaren finally didn't screw up

[FerrariF60]

2.9 sec stop for HAM?? :-E

What's this season's record again?

not ours that's for sure...we were fast...but NOT anymore

[458 Italia]

Alonso 3rd

[Katu]

fernando passed maldonado. much quicker than kimi did

[458 Italia]

vettel has a 14.4 lead.

[scuderiafan]

2.9 sec stop for HAM?? :-E

What's this season's record again?

2.4 from Ferrari.

[458 Italia]

Alonso pits

[FerrariF60]

another set of softs for us....yah baby

[KurtC]

nice pit stop!!!

[Bonjers]

Boooooom.

[Greig]

Great job in the pits

[Tobes]

Back out on the softs again...

[fronaldo]

soft for alonso..

[Nathan]

Alonso making progress!

[m schumy]

Vettel pits

[fronaldo]

3.2s but macca make 2.9s

[SanderV]

Great job by the team so far.

[458 Italia]

Michael having another poor race. :-s

[scuderiafan]

Koba and Raiko taken. Nice!

[458 Italia]

so who's gonna finish 2nd?

[MRRabbit]

Alonso is on fire :-D

[anotherfinemess]

Why the hell did we pit Alonso????

he was comfortably within 1:46 while the rest were doing 1:47????

[Jas]

alonso charging!!!!!!!!!!

[FerrariF60]

ALONSO IS ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nathan]

Choo choo...train coming through

[Tobes]

Come on Fernando, brilliant driving...

Who said this was a bore-fest...?

[Katu]

actually quite interesting race this time. if you count of vettel

[FerrariF60]

it was crucial for fernando to pass the SCHUMI train

[M.K]

Who said this is boring?:-D

[scuderiafan]

Alonsooooooooo.

Hamilton next.

[Alonsomaniac]

Alonso is on the loose! Going like a rocket!

[sav_pap]

Scumacher train for free

[REDARMYSOJA]

Schumi train!

[Katu]

in hindsight you could say something was coming

[Corey]

My gawd SAFETY CAR JEEZ.....

[REDARMYSOJA]

Senna and Koby. No good could come of that, except Felipe gaining a spot.

[458 Italia]

how embarrassing Schumi.

[sav_pap]

Where is a sc when you need ot?

[DJTaurus]

Di Resta pitted?

[458 Italia]

Alonso 4th

[Sianellen]

This reminds me of the GP2 race yesterday :-D

[DJTaurus]

So we are at least 4rth.... Damage limitation seems achieved.....

[REDARMYSOJA]

Up to 4th.

[Naeem]

Bruno senna is a perfect jackass, just ruined kobiyashis race :mad:

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[458 Italia]

Alonso can get to the podium.

[Greig]

We can beat Lewis here :-)

[Katu]

hamilton is next one

[sav_pap]

Finally not so boring ....

[Aussie]

How good is Alonso

[DJTaurus]

Alonso closes the gap to Hamster....

[m schumy]

Drive-through for Senna

[458 Italia]

Alonso 5.9 behind Hamilton.

[sav_pap]

Heidi cannot be so fast. Rfulls cheat...

[MJ]

how can vettel run away, yet webber can't? do they have diff cars?

[Greig]

how can vettel run away, yet webber can't? do they have diff cars?

Seb had clear track, Webber never I guess, and different tyres.

[Bonjers]

Kimi and Pastor really quick now.

[458 Italia]

Alonso now 5.1 behind

[M.K]

Fernando closing on Lewis

[sav_pap]

Seb had clear track, Webber never I guess, and different tyres.

And what about qualify yesterday?

[458 Italia]

Alonso 4.6 behind hamilton

[fronaldo]

dont forget kimi..

[sav_pap]

Button is not a worry:banghead:

[Greig]

And what about qualify yesterday?

He had a car problem didn't he?

[sav_pap]

We can at least catch ramilton?

[458 Italia]

3.6 now!

[fronaldo]

gros catching finger boy

[sav_pap]

All is needed now is a sc

[fronaldo]

safety car now

[stefa]

Finally!!!!

[sav_pap]

Yes baby sc

[REDARMYSOJA]

What was Vergne doing?

[458 Italia]

Alonso can take Hamilton on the restart

[Greig]

Wonder how this will work out for us

[Alonsomaniac]

This changes all!!!!!!!!!!

[MRRabbit]

LOL McLaren

[Greig]

LOL McLaren

[458 Italia]

Yes bad stop ham!

[Corey]

Mclaren LOL

[M.K]

I'm loving it :-D

[fronaldo]

hey ted crapitz..look now..

[Katu]

i so new macca would screw up again

[Nathan]

Yes! Alonso ahead of Hamilton: they're on even ground now

[458 Italia]

mclolren

[sav_pap]

Yes yes yes yes

[stefa]

Now the race starts!!!!

[m schumy]

Lewis will be angry after the race :-D

[Jas]

hahahahahahahah slow stop from us, awfull from mclaren, has massa benifited from this cos he pitted one lap before safety car?!?!?

[DJTaurus]

Its the first time in years that a SC favours us. The signs for Alonso WC 2012!!!!!

[Nathan]

Hopefully Grosjean can use this to his advantage and become the 8th different winner, taking points off Vettel :)

[Ste]

What an idiot JEV is. Still, gave us all this drama. Brilliant. Come on Fernando!

[Bonjers]

Payback for 2010 Lewis.

[KurtC]

oh yeah there we go Mclaen screwing up agai hahaha this is kinda funny guys you must admit

[REDARMYSOJA]

Good ol' McLaren. We can always count on them to shoot themselves in the foot. :-)

[stefa]

and nothing happen... SV is still in the lead.

[fronaldo]

which tyres alonso use now?

[Greig]

Did Nando go onto mediums?

[Agron]

Brilliant McLaren pitstop :-D

[DJTaurus]

GRO will attack on Vettel..... i think 3rd place for Alonso today is the maximum result.

[Red is Best]

Things are looking pretty good. Hopefully we can be on the podium.

[Alonsomaniac]

Where are we now?

[stefa]

White pirelli on FA car

[roddick_andy]

Did Nando go onto mediums?

Yes Nandi on med


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[Katu]

Scuderia Ferrari ‏@InsideFerrari

Damages on Felipe's car: front wing and other parts

[Greig]

3rd on mediums, will go to the end I guess

[M.K]

Did Nando go onto mediums?

Yes

[Aussie]

and nothing happen... SV is still in the lead.

Dont know how his luck

[Alonsomaniac]

Ah,....a lot possible now.

[Jas]

did that safety car benifit massa, im not sure with this new safety car average lap stuff?!?!?!

[Greig]

Massa 14th? damn SC always screws someone

[458 Italia]

hurry up safety car

[FerrariF60]

Things are looking pretty good. Hopefully we can be on the podium.

im OK with that it grojean WINS!!!!

[REDARMYSOJA]

Scuderia Ferrari ‏@InsideFerrari

Damages on Felipe's car: front wing and other parts

What happened to Felipe?

[SashAlex]

McLaren again screwed Hamilton's race. Luckily Fernando was right behind to benefit from this. What tyres did he put on ? Logically it'd be Mediums to keep this position. :-)

[Alonsomaniac]

Nice to have Ricciardo there....

[sav_pap]

End the f..... Race now!!!!!!!!

[MRRabbit]

will be hard for us to get further up but a 3rd place from 11th i wud have taken before the race.

[Katu]

What happened to Felipe?

probably ran over some debries, haven't seen him touching anyone

[458 Italia]

COME ON ALONSO!!!

[FerrariF60]

End the f..... Race now!!!!!!!!

not yet mate...we need grojean to WIN the race....less points for the screaming school girl....OR BETTER YET, FERNANDO WINS IT

[SashAlex]

Ah, right. Mediums for Fernando. Felipe is on Softs.

[sav_pap]

Heidi feels nando's breath for sure

[Aussie]

Go DAN!!!!

[Alonsomaniac]

Grosjean will do whatever he can to win this one.
Could be very exciting with Alonso right behind them looking for the opportunity.

[REDARMYSOJA]

End the f..... Race now!!!!!!!!

Hahaha! It's just now starting! We can do better mate.

[Katu]

Nice to have Ricciardo there....
exactly my thought

[Tobes]

Fernando on mediums, assuming we're going to the end on these tires...

Did lots of running on the mediums all weekend, feeling a good result is there for the taking...

[REDARMYSOJA]

probably ran over some debries, haven't seen him touching anyone

Darn that Vergne. I hope he gets a grid penalty next race.

[sav_pap]

Lewis will attack. I prefer the secured 3rd but anything else....lower

[fronaldo]

i want podium..

[458 Italia]

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