2012 Indian GP: Friday & Saturday Practice Sessions Thread

[Greig]

What's your view from first impressions then? Do you think that the situation has changed a bit since Korea?

They are testing new parts, gathering data, first impressions are the times mean nothing.

[anuragiyer8989]

I dont know what are you looking but both are way slower than FA...

Well I posted late....yes you r right! :P

[Rishu]

Vettel's long runs look deecent to me, Ferrari a tad better though

[stefa]

As for Friday, nothing new that wasn't seen before. Red Bull flying, Ferrari are testing...

[stefa]

So.... Conclusions...?

[bluesilhouettes]

They are testing new parts, gathering data, first impressions are the times mean nothing.

No, they are not. Absolutely. :-(
If the car is strong, they are strong at all time.
OK, what will we have for 2014 ?
The name of new car ?

[Rishu]

So.... Conclusions...?

A very good circuit

[Ken]

Going by the times on high fuel loads it seems there is only a few 10ths separating the top cars which has to be good :-)

[stefa]

A very good circuit

Nice weather, but I presume humid?

[FerrariFanBoii]

So.... Conclusions...?

Vettel's gonna win.

[anuragiyer8989]

vettel fastest on long run?!

[medeni73]

Does someone know URL from that greek site where we can get all individual lap times for all drivers so that we can analyse the times a bit better?

[stefa]

Vettel's gonna win.

You are way to pessimistic for this forum :-). Put it in more optimistic view. We will fight, fight, fight, and than SV is going to win. :-)

I am just joking (about you being pessimistic). There are few people out there very allergic to being realistic (they call it being pessimist)

[FerrariF60]

A very good circuit

but not for us....certainily GOOD for red fools to LOCK the front row....
with the pace we have, we'd be lucky, actually Fernando will be lucky if he qualifies 4th...

so all in all, nothing's changed....we're still more then HALF a second down on the BEST TEAM out there, RED FOOLS

[burak karakutuk]

My first impressions is good,pozitive.Seems there will be a Red Bull-Ferrari fight coming to last 4 races.For this track we had some oversteer problems but not much bad.Pace is good and i see balance is also good.We can imrpove the setups then optimize the car well.Our race pace is also encouraging me but last sector is our weak point.Need to sort it out for tomorrow.If we make it we will beat them this time i belive

Forza Ferrari

[Ken]

Roll on FP 3 I think its looking very good for us :-)

And if we hold on there then our race pace hopefully will see good results for us .

[stefa]

but not for us....certainily GOOD for red fools to LOCK the front row....
with the pace we have, we'd be lucky, actually Fernando will be lucky if he qualifies 4th...

so all in all, nothing's changed....we're still more then HALF a second down on the BEST TEAM out there, RED FOOLS

Exactly! And from that position (4th) even with our great race pace there is little FA can do.

[Rishu]

You are way to pessimistic for this forum :-). Put it in more optimistic view. We will fight, fight, fight, and than SV is going to win. :-)

I am just joking (about you being pessimistic). There are few people out there very allergic to being realistic (they call it being pessimist)

If you are so damn realistic & an expert who can predict the race results from FP1 itself, you know Ferrari isn’t pleasing you, why bother watching them? Don't play with your blood pressure

[blaney1977]

Il take 3rd on the grid now, race pace looks competitive.

[Ken]

See you all later :wave

[FerrariFanBoii]

You are way to pessimistic for this forum :-). Put it in more optimistic view. We will fight, fight, fight, and than SV is going to win. :-)

I am just joking (about you being pessimistic). There are few people out there very allergic to being realistic (they call it being pessimist)

Haha, well... Yeah i'm, being realistic, unless we get a a good quali, not 5th of below, Vettel will walk it again.

[wacc]

Does someone know URL from that greek site where we can get all individual lap times for all drivers so that we can analyse the times a bit better?

As soon as FIA publishes the lap times it will be here:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&gp=880&s=7109&graf=3&dr1=Sebastian%20Vettel&dr2=Fernando%20Alonso#.UIpg9m_gmgQ

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

That last lap by Vettel on his long run was mega.

[anuragiyer8989]

P3 is still reasonable.....an improvement from P4!

[F2002]

They are testing new parts, gathering data, first impressions are the times mean nothing.

Without the benefit of having watched all of the Free Practice sessions this season, I would have completely agreed with you.

Like you, though, I am still hoping that a decent race package will help us win on Sunday.

[medeni73]

Dont forget that after India comes Abu Dhabi which is even more RBs Mega Track...

[FerrariF60]

That last lap by Vettel on his long run was mega.

of course it was, that red fool car is on RAILS...unless ferrari come up with some clever updates that really work, this DAMAGE LIMITATION weekends will NOT win us the championship.....very SAD BUT TRUE

[stefa]

If you are so damn realistic & an expert who can preict the race results from FP1 itself, you know Ferrari isn’t pleasing you, why bother watching them? Don't play with your blood pressure

Judging by speed and balance of Red Bull cars it is going to be SV win. I am bothering watching because I LOVE FERRARI and formula 1 racing, but I don't like to be pulled by nose and telling me that everything is right, Ferrari is bringing big, huge, small updates to next race, when there is nothing like that! Even FA said that there is more talking than working in Ferrari.
I am not playing with my blood pressure. Thanks for worrying, I am healthy almost 40 year man, and I have learned from season finale in 2010 a lot!

[F2002]

A very good circuit

That's true. And it looks more "finished" than it did last year.

Certainly better than Abu Dhabi in my humble view.

[stefa]

Haha, well... Yeah i'm, being realistic, unless we get a a good quali, not 5th of below, Vettel will walk it again.

Exactly. But I am being crucified for saying that!

[yz2006]

if alonso can make it P3 in qualifying, i would be very pleased. i am just worried about maccas, especailly Hamster, who may steal P3 from us.

[stefa]

of course it was, that red fool car is on RAILS...unless ferrari come up with some clever updates that really work, this DAMAGE LIMITATION weekends will NOT win us the championship.....very SAD BUT TRUE

Lucky there are only 4 more damage limitations weekends.

[PURE PASSION]

Does someone know URL from that greek site where we can get all individual lap times for all drivers so that we can analyse the times a bit better?

Do you mean this one:http://www.msfree.gr/2012live.php

[zike]

so nothing changed from last GP:-(

[FerrariFanBoii]

Exactly. But I am being crucified for saying that!

Yeah I know, I mean come on guys, we say every F1 weekend, that Friday is just Friday, we'll be better come Saturday and Sunday.. And it like never happens...

[Rishu]

Judging by speed and balance of Red Bull cars it is going to be SV win. I am bothering watching because I LOVE FERRARI and formula 1 racing, but I don't like to be pulled by nose and telling me that everything is right, Ferrari is bringing big, huge, small updates to next race, when there is nothing like that! Even FA said that there is more talking than working in Ferrari.
I am not playing with my blood pressure. Thanks for worrying, I am healthy almost 40 year man, and I have learned from season finale in 2010 a lot!

Don't think you have learned from 2010. Championship leader can loose the Championship in last race, so anything is possible. Yes RB are stronger, no denying the fact, nobody is pulling your nose down, but you got to trust the team which has numerous WDC's & WCC's. They might lose the Championship but they will try their best, or unless you have some capability to help Ferrari improve

[stefa]

Yeah I know, I mean come on guys, we say every F1 weekend, that Friday is just Friday, we'll be better come Saturday and Sunday.. And it like never happens...

Until they sort out wind tunnel first. Maybe that's the reason? :-)

[FerrariF60]

Lucky there are only 4 more damage limitations weekends.

indeed, and then we get to move onto the 2013 season for some more damage limitation weekends....
this year has been a JOKE for the ferrari team....hopefully we'll be in a better form since we're NOT gonna be using that crappy underperforming wind tunnel we have and start using the toyota state of the art one until we finally going to fix and/or upgrade our own

[medeni73]

Do you mean this one:http://www.msfree.gr/2012live.php

Yes thats the one thanx! but it seems only when its live event it shows individual laps...

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

This is Red Bulls to lose. People won't like it but practice certainly points to that.

[scuderiafan]

Lol so being realistic means thinking the world is gonna end?
Rubbish. You guys are just keeping expectations down so you don't get disappointed, which is fair enough but the REALITY is that Alonso is close to the bulls on pure pace, and could have gone faster as he was on older tyres. That does not mean he was quicker than RB, but it isn't a domination like many would say.

[anuragiyer8989]

Now i know, what was in those boxes!!!

[FerrariF60]

This is Red Bulls to lose. People won't like it but practice certainly points to that.

i could not have put it any better myself...unless they're gonna have some misterious reliability problem come sunday, they will WIN THIS ONE

[stefa]

Don't think you have learned from 2010. Championship leader can loose the Championship in last race, so anything is possible. Yes RB are stronger, no denying the fact, nobody is pulling your nose down, but you got to trust the team which has numerous WDC's & WCC's. They might lose the Championship but they will try their best, or unless you have some capability to help Ferrari improve

You misunderstood me or I was not clear. Any way my apologize for that. I have learned from season finale in 2010 not to be excited too much and, as you said not to play with my blood pressure. No I am not an expert of any kind that can be of any help to Ferrari. But I can tell you that, if I have noticed that there is a problem with my wind tunnel (which is like 20 years old) two years a go, I think I'll do something about that earlier...

[FerrariFanBoii]

Don't think you have learned from 2010. Championship leader can loose the Championship in last race, so anything is possible. Yes RB are stronger, no denying the fact, nobody is pulling your nose down, but you got to trust the team which has numerous WDC's & WCC's. They might lose the Championship but they will try their best, or unless you have some capability to help Ferrari improve

But we had the lead for 8 races... We should have carried it through.. But our updates have been non-existance.. If so small they've hardly done much, I just hate saying... There is always next year... Fernando needs his 3rd WDC this year, but looking at it now, he's not gonna get it.

[anuragiyer8989]

i think they should revamp the aerodynamics team, or whosoever is responsible for it....and recruit some really good engineers...like Newey!

[medeni73]

We introduced new FW, new exhaust-ramp, new diffuser and a new floor...so we cant say they havent tried...

[stefa]

Now i know, what was in those boxes!!!
Share with us. Please!

[medeni73]

We can hope that new alternators wont work as expected come USA... :)

[stefa]

We introduced new FW, new exhaust-ramp, new diffuser and a new floor...so we cant say they havent tried...

It is not they are not trying and updating the car. It is that they are testing those parts in faulty wind tunnel, for two years, for crying out loud!

[anuragiyer8989]

I might sound stupid, but what if the other 11 teams were to wake up one day and say enough!
..and then act to plot against the Bulls and spoil their performances every race.... :Hmm

Please don't think otherwise....my mind is brewing up these crazy thoughts....maybe coz i've just been shown that no matter how much they talk, they motivate each other,
we still haven't been able to bridge the gap between trying and succeeding with new parts/upgrades....:-(

[anuragiyer8989]

Share with us. Please!

Tickets to Abu Dhabi!:rotfl

[medeni73]

we're not the only ones, Maccas. Merc, Lotus, they are all falling behind, we are at least on same level but thats not enough of course for any serious Ferrarista...

[stefa]

Tickets to Abu Dhabi!:rotfl

:rotfl

[stefa]

we're not the only ones, Maccas. Merc, Lotus, they are all falling behind, we are at least on same level but thats not enough of course for any serious Ferrarista...

They can fall down, because as for the championship to be won they are finished, so they can concentrate more on next years car development than to develop this years one.

[stefa]

See you all tomorrow. Have a nice day!

[varun]

Lucky there are only 4 more damage limitations weekends.

yes P2 is a good indication and at best alonso with his superhuman talent can beat both mclarens and maybe 1 redbull at best but no win.
looking forward to 2014 only now..:pray where we may be at an advantage. sad for alonso:oops ..he could have had atleast 4 titles by 2012 but ferrari ruined his party('10 & '12)thats the truth!!!

[Catalan]

After watching the free practices today, it´s no brainer that Red Bulls are clear favorites for a 1-2 in qualy tomorrow. In normal conditions, first row is out of reach for FA. Think that Ferrari´s goal is starting the race from P3.

First stint: Ferrari is at the same level than RB will full tank and soft tyres. Sometimes the lap will be a bit better for them, sometimes for FA, the problem is the usual: Vettel starts from the pole, gets a 10-second advantage after the first stint, probably with Webber covering his back, and that´s it.

I know everybody says, Alonso the first, that Fridays mean nothing, they will now spend the afternoon studying data and will put together the best package for tomorrow, but I agree with those of you pointing to another damage-limitation weekend.

Anyway, let´s keep the faith. Points are allocated on Sunday, not today neither tomorrow.

[medeni73]

P3 is reality...with proper set-up and perfect lap from FA I dont see who could beat us for P3...but beyond that unless RBs crash P1-P2 are out of reach... I'm talking about qualy. here, for the race I mostly agree with Catalan...

[medeni73]

Lap times Alonso - Vettel, last long run stint:
Vettel Alonso
23 23 lap 1:33.071 23 lap 2:11.621 out lap -38.550 -52.136 11
24 24 lap 1:32.873 24 lap 1:32.644 +0.229 -51.907 13
25 25 lap 1:33.083 25 lap 1:32.829 +0.254 -51.653 14
26 26 lap 1:38.318 26 lap 1:32.090 +6.228 -45.425 15
27 27 lap 1:32.721 27 lap 1:32.288 +0.433 -44.992 16
28 28 lap 1:32.776 28 lap 1:32.331 +0.445 -44.547 17
29 29 lap 1:32.340 29 lap 1:32.349 -0.009 -44.556 12
30 30 lap 1:32.340 30 lap 1:31.997 +0.343 -44.213 18
31 31 lap 1:39.095 31 lap 1:35.313 +3.782 -40.431 19
32 32 lap 1:31.607 32 lap 1:31.954 -0.347 -40.778 13
33 33 lap 1:41.190 33 lap 1:31.559 +9.631 -31.147 20
34 34 lap 1:31.212 34 lap 1:40.309 pit in -9.097 -40.244 14
35 35 lap 1:41.602 pit in

[Hermann]

Domenicali saying in the pc he wants everyone to be positive. So stay positive!

[wacc]

Here is the comparison of times between FA and SV. I don't think we can make any conclusion out of this, but maybe someone could be interested.

http://i47.tinypic.com/21aik37.jpg

[Tifoso84]

The Red Cows look set to lock out the front row in quali, unless some miracle happens. So our only hope is that Nando gets P3 and then perhaps we can do something with our race pace. But the sad part is that even getting that P3 ain't certain, cause the Maccas are very much in contention. It is absolutely essential that Nando gets P3 if the finger boy starts from pole. Our race pace seems to be our only weapon for stopping finger boy from winning again.

Fernando's fastest lap with a heavy fuel load was 1:31.5
Vettel's fastest lap with a heavy fuel load was 1:31.2
Webber's fastest lap with a heavy fuel load was 1:31.9

So in terms of race pace we should be right up there on Sunday. The most important thing is getting good starting positions in quali.

[wacc]

Domenicali saying in the pc he wants everyone to be positive. So stay positive!

Sir, yes, Sir! :Cube

[Rishu]

Gary Anderson: "The Red Bulls are quick for sure but Ferrari are not going to lie down. That was Alonso's eighth lap on the same tyres, while Vettel was on his third timed lap. You don't quite know how much fuel they are on.

[Rosso Corsa]

Sorry to ask, I've lost track. Did either Fernando or Felipe end the session with the new rear wing?

[fronaldo]

Race-simulation runs. Avgs: ALO 1:32.23; VET 1:32.45; RAI 1:32.66; HAM 1:32.67; WEB 1:32.79. Fastest: VET 31.202; ALO 31.559; WEB 31.587

[wacc]

Sorry to ask, I've lost track. Did either Fernando or Felipe end the session with the new rear wing?

My stream had low quality but Fernando ran RW with the V-cuts. So it was the old one I think.

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

Ferrari's race pace simulation was quicker than that of Red Bull in korea, yet look what happened in the race. I fear the same will apply here in India.

[Tifoso84]

Not all hope is lost yet. But the sad fact is that the Red Cows are just blindingly fast and we still have a lot of work to do in order to be seriously fighting for this WDC title. The Red Cows are light-years ahead of everybody, including us, no point in denying it.
Now I know how fans of the other teams must've felt when Ferrari and Schumacher dominated every season.

[stefa]

Domenicali saying in the pc he wants everyone to be positive. So stay positive!

Until when?

[stefa]

Sir, yes, Sir! :Cube

:clap

[Ken]

Sorry to ask, I've lost track. Did either Fernando or Felipe end the session with the new rear wing?

According to Ted Kravitz and the Sky team we are running the old wing

[Tifoso84]

Yes, apparently we were running with a new FW and an old RW.

[fronaldo]

seems like new RW is not good

[FA fan]

Its 10:30 sorry...my bad again :)

It's ok;) I saw on sky sports it said sonntag: 09:30 is it cuz of the time difference?? Sorry it's just confusing:)

[Muhammad Ansib]

Do not worry.remember 2011 India with a truck of F150 Italia managed a podium and Hopefully if he gets a front row start Alonso will win.Just Praying desperately:pray ..Forza Ferrari and forza Fernando

[bonzo]

We are equal in race trim so from P3 Alonso can make it a win with the help of RB slower pit times...Who knows...

[medeni73]

According to Andrew Benson:
"I'm told @alo_oficial kept all developments on car through P2 - ft & rear wings, diffuser, brake ducts. Encouraging for them if that's case"

[wisepie]

This is Red Bulls to lose. People won't like it but practice certainly points to that.

Guess you're right, but a lot can change tomorrow and Sunday, don't give up hope yet and as for Felipe's spins, at least he'll now know where to be careful so don't let's start criticising him for experimenting with limits! There was obviously an issue with the car after the first excursion so the team will try to fix it. Coraggio!

[Tifoso84]

Looking forward to quali tomorrow. As I said already before, these free practice sessions don't tell the whole story. It's the quali that will give us a good indication of how fast we really are.
One of the most positive things I saw today, was the fact that we still seem to have a very good race pace and if we can exploit that to the maximum, then we could have a really good chance in the race.

Points are given out on Sunday and nothing else really matters til then.

Cheer up guys! :-)

[scuderiafan]

Pace is good very good in high fuel, parts are working, and now all that is needed is some better setup and balance on low fuel.

Then we are sorted.

But we have got to prepare ourselves for the extra RedBull tenths they hide in FP.
Hopefully Ferrari have been doing some hiding as well. (intentional or unintentional). I believe there may be more to get out from this package. The new diffuser looks interesting.

[bluesilhouettes]

In the last 2 races, RBR tested prime tyres longer than anyone else and broke the top time when others were on option. They made others panic.
In this Friday, they did not. Hope that Ferrari is hiding their big strenght.

It's Fernando's fate, he has never got a fastest car when he arrived Ferrari. 3rd WDC can make him greater in people's eyes but for me, he's the greatest.

[medeni73]

Translation from German (Google):
(Motor-Total.com) - Ferrari driver Felipe Massa spun on 2nd Equal to the free practice for the Grand Prix of India twice. This was caused by an incorrect setting on the car, as it subsequently turned out. At the end of the Brazilians came with 2.075 seconds residue only to fifth, while team-mate Fernando Alonso by 0.599 seconds residue occupied the third position.

"This is an interesting course," said Alonso. "After the longest straights followed by a combination of high-speed corners that have to drive very nice. Today the track was quite dirty, which usually is on new routes of the case that are not commonly used. Morning when they will offer more grip it will make it even more fun. "
"Shaping the track conditions, which change every lap quickly, it even more complicated, the situation in terms of the hierarchy along the pit lane understand."

"We must study the data carefully to make for the rest of the weekend the right decisions. About the performance of the tires, there is not much to say. Based on what we saw today, we can hope that there is a problem less is that we must consider. "

"This was a very difficult day, especially in the afternoon," said Massa. "The first session went well and we were able to do everything planned. In the second session, the balance of the car was no longer optimal, as we changed from the hard to the soft tires. Driving was very difficult, so much that I finally turned. "
"Unfortunately, corrupted this a tire, and I was therefore not able to complete a long run, whereupon one of our priorities lay. In the last half hour I focused therefore on the training of pit stops, the only what you could do with tires in this state. "
"As usual on a Friday, we had an intensive program, check off that we needed," said Pat Fry, technical director. "In the morning we focused on the evaluation of some aerodynamic updates that we have for this race. Afternoon we go mainly for comparing the two types of tire for short and longer trials."

"While Fernando had no problems and was able to carry out his program normally, the same can be about Felipe unfortunately not told. One of the settings on his car was not correct, which affected the balance of his car, gave him from the maximum to make the set of soft tires. "

"It also meant that he turned, making a tire was damaged, which ended his unit virtually prematurely. We have to analyze the data carefully to understand which of here brought updates are used. But first impressions seem positive to be. "

[scuderiafan]

:thumb

Good that the parts are working again.
It seems that only McLaren can be challengers to RedBull. When they are fast it is mclarenvs RedBull, but when they are slow it is RedBull that is dominant.
Lets just see. It is only Friday, and they will be able to get a better idea of car balance now after evaluating all the upgrades and working on a setup from there.

Keep the faith. I am just astounded that some forget what Ferrari have done when they go all doom and gloom.

[Rob]

Just reading through some of the posts, same old same posts every FFP sessions. If we having troubles with wind tunnel and using the Toyota 1, we got to to evaluate and compare aero settings and updates. Its the only time to test. By looks of it i have not watched FFP yet, long runs look good, as usual.

[Rob]

Fry: The signs are positive..

Pat Fry: “As usual on a Friday, we had a busy programme to get through. In the morning we concentrated on evaluating some aerodynamic updates we had for this race, while the afternoon was given over mainly to the comparison of the two types of tyre, over short and long runs. Unfortunately, while Fernando had no problems and was able to carry out his programme normally, the same could not be said for Felipe: one of the settings on his car was incorrect and that compromised the balance of the car and prevented him from getting the most out of the set of Softs and also led to him spinning, which damaged one of the tyres, pretty much ending his session. We have to evaluate the data carefully to understand which of the updates we brought here will be used, but first impressions seem to be positive.”

Indian GP - Massa: An unlucky time of it..

Felipe Massa: “It was a rather difficult day, especially in the afternoon. The first session went well and we were able to do everything we had planned. But in the second one, when we switched from the Hard to the Soft, the balance of the car was no longer the best and it was becoming very difficult to drive, to such an extent that I ended up spinning. Unfortunately, that damaged a tyre and so I was unable to do the work over a long run which had been one of our priorities. In the final half hour, I therefore concentrated on pit stop practice, the only thing possible with the tyres in that condition.”

Alonso: We can improve...

Fernando Alonso: “This is an interesting circuit: after the longest straight, there’s a combination of high speed corners which are very nice to drive. Today the track was still very dirty, which is usually the case at new tracks that aren’t used very often. Tomorrow, when it will deliver more grip, it will be even more fun. The track conditions, which change rapidly lap after lap, make it even more complicated to understand the situation relating to the hierarchy down the pit lane. We must study the data carefully to make the right choices for the rest of the weekend. Nothing much to say about tyre performance: from what we’ve seen today, we can hope there’s one less problem to take into consideration.

[anuragiyer8989]

Stefano said in the Press Conference that they have less than 50% chance of winning this championship.
So much for the motivational talk!

[kingjuani]

watch Alonso will win India this yr...COMMON FERNANDO!!!!

[Rob]

Stefano said in the Press Conference that they have less than 50% chance of winning this championship.
So much for the motivational talk!

So has RBR, it isnt over, no way.

[Hornet]

Stefano said in the Press Conference that they have less than 50% chance of winning this championship.
So much for the motivational talk!

Now I'm concern.

In one of the past video chat with Massimo, that's what he said about the WCC when asked what are the chances Ferrari can win the WCC, less than 50% he said. It was obvious the WCC is very difficult.

Ferrari is now saying the WDC is as difficult? :-??

[kingjuani]

Stefano said in the Press Conference that they have less than 50% chance of winning this championship.
So much for the motivational talk!

if SD really said that, he needs to leave next yr, seriously..we need a new Manager.. he is not doing much for the team..bring on Briatore..

[Rob]

What if Stefano said yes 100% we can still win it, then what would all of you said come Brazil if we didnt? :Hmm

[Red_Diamond]

What if Stefano said yes 100% we can still win it, then what would all of you said come Brazil if we didnt? :Hmm

blub, blub he lied to us. can't he see how FAST red bull are, along those lines. :roll

Ridiculous fredfosi

[anuragiyer8989]

What if Stefano said yes 100% we can still win it, then what would all of you said come Brazil if we didnt? :Hmm
I'm saying that it's the mindset of such people, that is the problem. They say they can fight, get updates at every race and fight till the end, and then the team principal makes such a comment. When all of us are hopeful that Fernando can win it for us, how can SD say this. If he had said that 100% they could win it, n then had they lost it, i'd still be proud of the fact that their thinking is positive and aggressive. But, this guy just :-!

" watch your language, to much swearing is starting to come into this forum, you know the rules"

[yz2006]

for commerical reasons, the speed red bull shows does not do any good -- such a gap makes every grand prix more and more boring, just like the year of 2011. This is gonna kill F1 sooner or later

[anuragiyer8989]

I'm saying that it's the mindset of such people, that is the problem. They say they can fight, get updates at every race and fight till the end, and then the team principal makes such a comment. When all of us are hopeful that Fernando can win it for us, how can SD say this. If he had said that 100% they could win it, n then had they lost it, i'd still be proud of the fact that their thinking is positive and aggressive. But, this guy just :-!

" watch your language, to much swearing is starting to come into this forum, you know the rules"
Sorry about the language.....won't happen again.

[Rob]

I'm saying that it's the mindset of such people, that is the problem. They say they can fight, get updates at every race and fight till the end, and then the team principal makes such a comment. When all of us are hopeful that Fernando can win it for us, how can SD say this. If he had said that 100% they could win it, n then had they lost it, i'd still be proud of the fact that their thinking is positive and aggressive. But, this guy just :-!

" watch your language, to much swearing is starting to come into this forum, you know the rules"

First of all, no swearing, none.

The team is pushing hard, dont you really think the team wants to win? Please. They are always pushing. Im proud of them every race weekend.

[Hornet]

blub, blub he lied to us. can't he see how FAST red bull are, along those lines. :roll

Ridiculous fredfosi

Do you think you're able to post without insulting other members for no reason?

What has this got to do with the fans supporting Alonso? Alonso is part of the team like it or not. And this discussion here is about what Stefano Domenicali said, nothing to do with Alonso.

What the team need is to believe that its still in their hands, that the pit crew still need to do a great job, the mechanics need to ensure everything works correctly, and they are all still able to do something to win the title.

By conceding that its too difficult when we're only 6 points behind, that's as good as saying we're just a passenger with a lottery ticket.

It is still in Ferrari's hand to do something about it.

[Red_Diamond]

Do you think you're able to post without insulting other members for no reason?

What has this got to do with the fans supporting Alonso? Alonso is part of the team like it or not. And this discussion here is about what Stefano Domenicali said, nothing to do with Alonso.

What the team need is to believe that its still in their hands, that the pit crew still need to do a great job, the mechanics need to ensure everything works correctly, and they are all still able to do something to win the title.

By conceding that its too difficult when we're only 6 points behind, that's as good as saying we're just a passenger with a lottery ticket.

It is still in Ferrari's hand to do something about it.

Why can't fredfosi respect FERRARI team members?

This is the full quote


"Stefano, considering the last three races, the gap of performance of Red Bull compared to your car and the others, how much chance do you have to close this gap and try to win this title?
SD: In terms of closing the gap in performance, it's difficult to say because our main competitors but also McLaren, they are always improving, so it's difficult to say where we are relative to pace/performance but in terms of percentage with regard to the possibility of winning the championship, I think that, as we said before, there are too many elements that are on the table: strategy, race mistakes, problems that we still have - I would say - less than fifty percent because they are in front of us, but the race is full open."


Hardly sounds like he's giving up.

I'm sick of hearing about how poor little Nando is doing all the hard work, and his fans pointing the fingers at the other team members. Let's not forget the reason why Fernando is behind is because he screwed up in Japan and he was slow in Korea.

[Alonsomaniac]

if SD really said that, he needs to leave next yr, seriously..we need a new Manager.. he is not doing much for the team..bring on Briatore..

Here we go again....man, what a load of :-!. Every time things don't go 100% our way or as in this case someone says something they have to go because they are no good at all.
Let me tell you this: Stefano has been doing this long enough now to prove himself to the team. They like him, they respect him and Ferrari as a whole thinks he does a good job.
One thing about Stefano, he never makes things look better as they are. If he says that our chances are below 50% then that will be no surprise to the team. They knew that already.
But neither for Stefano nor for the rest of the team this means they won't fight!
Even if we had only a chance of 1% they would not give up.
So please stop this mocking and whining and do what a fan has to do: support the team!
And this goes for all of us!

[anuragiyer8989]

Why can't fredfosi respect FERRARI team members?

This is the full quote


"Stefano, considering the last three races, the gap of performance of Red Bull compared to your car and the others, how much chance do you have to close this gap and try to win this title?
SD: In terms of closing the gap in performance, it's difficult to say because our main competitors but also McLaren, they are always improving, so it's difficult to say where we are relative to pace/performance but in terms of percentage with regard to the possibility of winning the championship, I think that, as we said before, there are too many elements that are on the table: strategy, race mistakes, problems that we still have - I would say - less than fifty percent because they are in front of us, but the race is full open."


Hardly sounds like he's giving up.

I'm sick of hearing about how poor little Nando is doing all the hard work, and his fans pointing the fingers at the other team members. Let's not forget the reason why Fernando is behind is because he screwed up in Japan and he was slow in Korea.

Nobody is pointing fingers at any of the team members. We are just stating fact.....we are equally proud of our team as much as you are......the very fact that we are fighting in this championship is testament of our performance.....which is why i said even if we were to lose it despite being positive, i'd still take it....but SD is not positive...i'm sure you can make that out.....why use words such as "less than 50%"?! he's not giving up...but he's also not motivated enough....can't he for once....man up and say that we are FERRARI and we will win it.....nobody's going to question him if he didn't. The mindset is wrong....that's all i want to say.

[Hornet]

Why can't fredfosi respect FERRARI team members?

This is the full quote


"Stefano, considering the last three races, the gap of performance of Red Bull compared to your car and the others, how much chance do you have to close this gap and try to win this title?
SD: In terms of closing the gap in performance, it's difficult to say because our main competitors but also McLaren, they are always improving, so it's difficult to say where we are relative to pace/performance but in terms of percentage with regard to the possibility of winning the championship, I think that, as we said before, there are too many elements that are on the table: strategy, race mistakes, problems that we still have - I would say - less than fifty percent because they are in front of us, but the race is full open."


Hardly sounds like he's giving up.

I'm sick of hearing about how poor little Nando is doing all the hard work, and his fans pointing the fingers at the other team members. Let's not forget the reason why Fernando is behind is because he screwed up in Japan and he was slow in Korea.

Under what pretense are you in assuming that just because some members disagree with someone in Ferrari, that means they only support Alonso? A person can support Ferrari and not agree with everything a person in Ferrari do. That's bloody idiotic.

Secondly, now you think its ok to bash our own drivers? Or is it only allowed for Alonso and you'll get all white knight when people criticize Massa?

What evidence do you have to say Alonso is slow in Korea and its his fault? You don't have the data. You would be ticked off if people criticize Massa when he's not performing well for that same reason, yet you think its completely ok for you to judge Alonso in the way that you would have disagree with had it been applied to the other driver.

[anuragiyer8989]

....and what is wrong in supporting Fernando.....is he not our driver? is he not the reason we are "still" fighting....i know this is a Ferrari forum.....but right now.our chances, our victory, our development are all centered around him.....like in the case when Michael was with us......so i don't see why we should not be supporting "poor little Nando" for all his hard work.....

[mirafiori]

Here we go again....man, what a load of :-!. Every time things don't go 100% our way or as in this case someone says something they have to go because they are no good at all.
Let me tell you this: Stefano has been doing this long enough now to prove himself to the team. They like him, they respect him and Ferrari as a whole thinks he does a good job.
One thing about Stefano, he never makes things look better as they are. If he says that our chances are below 50% then that will be no surprise to the team. They knew that already.
But neither for Stefano nor for the rest of the team this means they won't fight!
Even if we had only a chance of 1% they would not give up.
So please stop this mocking and whining and do what a fan has to do: support the team!
And this goes for all of us!

Well said, i could not of said that better.

[Tifoso84]

First of all, no swearing, none.

The team is pushing hard, dont you really think the team wants to win? Please. They are always pushing. Im proud of them every race weekend.

Yes, you're absolutely right, the Ferrari team wants to win probably more than all the other teams combined. And there's absolutely no doubt that they're trying to make it happen. Ferrari team's will to win is unquestionable. They just need to find the right direction to win. Unfortunately at the moment Red Cow is a step ahead of us, despite our best efforts. :-s
But they're certainly not invincible and if anyone can beat them, then it's our Scuderia Ferrari! :thumb

:ferrarifl
FORZA FERRARI!!!

[Tifoso84]

So you think the team hasnt the will to win :roll

Who thinks that? Did you read my comment properly? I just said that Ferrari's will to win is unquestionable.
You should really clean those classes my friend ;-)

[Rob]

Who thinks that? Did you read my comment properly? I just said that Ferrari's will to win is unquestionable.
You should really clean those classes my friend ;-)

Sorry so you did, i have had rubbish day, i apologise.

[Tifoso84]

Sorry so you did, i have had rubbish day, i apologise.

No worries mate :-)

[Ken]

This thread is like being at the pub listening to football fans, most of them think there are a Ferguson and have all the answers and get upset if their particular team hero is criticized.

Next it will keyboards at 5 paces.

As my dad used to say "dont cry until your hurt " ;-)

[EL_NANDO]

I always casually read these threads and to be honest the attitudes are sometimes an absolute joke!

It always seems we have a poor Friday in terms of the leaderboards, people panic and then attack pretty much everyone in the Ferrari team, calling for most key staff members to be sacked.

Then on Saturday it wasn't as bad as it seems and we are much closer to Red Bull, and the same posters then start the whole FORZA FERRARI! business.

Let's wait until after the entire weekend before we start making assumptions about where the car is relative to the others. :-)

[Tony]

for commerical reasons, the speed red bull shows does not do any good -- such a gap makes every grand prix more and more boring, just like the year of 2011. This is gonna kill F1 sooner or later

Not sure about that, look at how Ferrari dominated the last decade, F1 will survive.... some Ferrari fans on the other hand, might not lol....

[luicchi]

well ...all of this because of FP1 and FP2 results??? People calm down , please!!!!We are still there , and we can do it!!!Now more than ever we must support Ferrari and Alonso!!Everything can still happen.
In the end , I´m sure that Luca will do the right choices!!!
Let´s just support , as always, what we do better than anyone!!!We are Ferrari , We are a team!!!

[Tifoso]

well ...all of this because of FP1 and FP2 results??? People calm down , please!!!!We are still there , and we can do it!!!Now more than ever we must support Ferrari and Alonso!!Everything can still happen.
In the end , I´m sure that Luca will do the right choices!!!
Let´s just support , as always, what we do better than anyone!!!We are Ferrari , We are a team!!!

I agree!!! No reason to panic!!! It is only FP!!! Trust the team!!! And the drivers!!!

[Hornet]

Not sure about that, look at how Ferrari dominated the last decade, F1 will survive.... some Ferrari fans on the other hand, might not lol....

IMO, the sport itself will have a tendency to try and avoid that. You're right, F1 did survive a period of Ferrari dominance, but its relatively short when compared to the scale of the period of F1 itself. Had Ferrari continued to dominate for a decade say from 2002 to 2012 in that 2002 2004 fashion, I think it would have had adverse effect on the sport.

But ultimately the sport itself will have a tendency to prevent that through rules changes and so on, so we'll never have to find out if F1 can survive it.

[eddie]

This thread is like being at the pub listening to football fans, most of them think there are a Ferguson and have all the answers and get upset if their particular team hero is criticized.

Next it will keyboards at 5 paces.

As my dad used to say "dont cry until your hurt " ;-)

Very much agree. Well said.

Race in on Sunday, nothing has happened yet...

[Tifoso84]

Our overall pace was actually very good today. At first glance that + 0,599 second gap to finger boy does look big indeed, but I'm sure that the actual gap is not that big. We have definitely improved our car's performance, but so has Red Cow, and that's why it might seem like we haven't improved at all. We have improved, without a doubt! We're much more competitive now than we were a couple of races ago. Our race pace has been good throughout the season, but it's our raw speed that has improved the most in my opinion. We have overtaken Macca in terms of speed, and that's really impressive, considering where we were compared to them just a few races ago. The only team that has currently improved more than us, is the Red Cow. But with the right set-up and a few more updates, I'm sure we can beat them as well. And knowing how good our race pace is, maybe we can kick some Red Cow bum already this weekend. :-)

Bring it on, finger boy!

:ferrarifl :pass

[MP081984]

I'm sorry my fellow ferrarista but I am sick of waiting! It's been to long now, and as a die hard alonso fan, unfortunately I think this would be another year ruined for him. I mean come on, we have been aware of the wind tunnel correlation problems for 2 years now and nothing really has been done just until very recently to fix that. If that's not mismanagement then I do not know what is. And nobody really being taken to account for the catastrophic strategical mistake in Abu Dhabi 2010 is another clear example of failure to apply real management in the team. So IMO it's all up to a deeper management problem. The incapability to take the right decision or to sit on it for to long, clearly shows a genuine lack of vision and leadership. So yes Stefano has to go ASAP, along with his team pets, before this brings us and alonso another year of misery.

[Kiwi Nick]

Beware of Kimi, he usually he usually qualifies better than he shows in practice and he has several updates that seem to be coming good for India. If he runs between Nando and Vettle/Weber in will not be good!

[yz2006]

Beware of Kimi, he usually he usually qualifies better than he shows in practice and he has several updates that seem to be coming good for India. If he runs between Nando and Vettle/Weber in will not be good!

i am more worried about Hamster..not Kimi..

[Fer12]

The pressure on Ferrari is too much right now...People criticizing their technical staff and the equipment...
All sorts of Media in India is bashing Ferrari for the flag situation...
Wonder how much of an effect this will have on the development of the car!!:Hmm

[anialonso]

Ferrari did bring a new FW,RW,Diffuser,Brake Ducts for India which is an reasonable step forward..
But even after putting all these upgrades we were still 0.6 down on RedBull..i know Alonso did his lap on 6 laps older tires and there's some time in it and more they can fine tune the car..
but still the perfomance of sector 3 keeps me worrying for abu dhabi..

[anialonso]

No-one's expecting other than Red Bull pace-setting but Ferrari's upgrades looked promising on Friday @andrewbensonf1

Hope we fine tune the upgrades and find more speed...:-)

[fadyferrari]

The pressure on Ferrari is too much right now...People criticizing their technical staff and the equipment...
All sorts of Media in India is bashing Ferrari for the flag situation...
Wonder how much of an effect this will have on the development of the car!!:Hmm

yeah,indian media is pretty brutal when it comes to such things.....but then again ferrari should never have had gone into all this controversy......so much for total concentration on making the f2012 faster and just focusing on winning the championship....

[anialonso]

P3 is goo....:ferrarifl

[Hornet]

Here ya go
http://www.vipboxsports.eu/motorsports/85615/1/f1-indian-grand-prix---practice-3-live-stream-online.html

[Rishu]

Barring car number 5, all cars done installation laps

Edit: He is out now

[anialonso]

almost 10 min into the session and nobody out on track..:-s

[anialonso]

Ferrari on Twitter: "FP3 has just begun. As usual, qualifying preparation is the main aim of this last hour of free practice."

[anialonso]

Ted Reports::
Changes are being made to the front suspension of the Fernando's car..
wonder why :Hmm

[medeni73]

Half of session is over and they sit in garage like they have 2 seconds faster car from everybody else...come on DRIVE

[fadyferrari]

ted-ferrari using a combination of the old RW and the new RW...

[fadyferrari]

some work being done on alonso's front suspension....but why isnt massa out yet?

[Kyss4k]

Ferrari on Twitter: "FP3 has just begun. As usual, qualifying preparation is the main aim of this last hour of free practice."

Yeah... they are preparing well as I see :-!

[anuragiyer8989]

can sm1 pls tell me why we choose to sit in the garage and pass time while the others try out their car on track!?

[anuragiyer8989]

this is seriously frustrating guys!

[Hornet]

Red Bull is on another planet. We could see from Vettel on board, hardly any steering correction. The car goes wherever he wants it to.

[albert]

Half of session is over and they sit in garage like they have 2 seconds faster car from everybody else...come on DRIVE

they do it every time. ridiculous tactic, especally when they struggle so much in qualifying.

[Kyss4k]

can sm1 pls tell me why we choose to sit in the garage and pass time while the others try out their car on track!?

I can see two cases:
1. We are so fast, that we don't need it
2. We have troubles with our cars and they are working on them...

[fronaldo]

save tyres

[anuragiyer8989]

vet 1.25.892 on hards:-E

[medeni73]

and its case number 2 of course

[anuragiyer8989]

I can see two cases:
1. We are so fast, that we don't need it
2. We have troubles with our cars and they are working on them...


save tyres

But i thought the tires for practice have to be returned anyway to Pirelli!

[yz2006]

1:25 p1
1:27 p3
what a gap....that is how reb cows destroyed the others

[Rishu]

They are on track now

[Kyss4k]

It's just ridiculous how we complain about not enough testing all the time and then we sit in the garrage wasting a half of the practice time...

[Hornet]

Well, Ferrari is out now

[anuragiyer8989]

are they trying out a slipstream!?!

[CDN-fan]

Nice pass by Massa

[CDN-fan]

2 runs of pulling each other down the straight

[Cemz85]

ferrari doing slip stream test between the two drivers in S1

[anuragiyer8989]

1.28 by fernando

[dmkevin]

i am fuming... ferrari are a bunch of jokers.... complain is their new motto now... bloody pants!!!

[CDN-fan]

"towing"

[anuragiyer8989]

i don't think they are able to do it......they both pull out too early.....what is the guarantee that they'll gain an advantage.....shouldn't be a repeat of Monza!!!!

[Rob]

Good idea, just bit more time down the straight and then if enough time made then the lose in the 2-3 sectors wouldnt be massive. So be alot closer to pole or SV.

Great team work, well worth trying it.

[Kyss4k]

i don't think they are able to do it......they both pull out too early.....what is the guarantee that they'll gain an advantage.....shouldn't be a repeat of Monza!!!!

Why would it not be allowed?

And what is wrong with you guys reminding Monza? Alonso had technical problem there, there was nothing wrong with towing...

[anuragiyer8989]

p7 and p10 now

[Voy]

Those Red Bulls look like driving on rails. Us and Macs nervous :/

[dmkevin]

1.7 sec off... we are cooked... this is bad, its turning into a nightmare!!! that shows ferrari knows they cant compete and trying all the things to go faster... rather than getting more track time they are wasting time... Unless they are sandbagging!!! thats my optimistic side but when has ferrari sandbagged!!!

[anuragiyer8989]

Why would it not be allowed?

And what is wrong with you guys reminding Monza? Alonso had technical problem there, there was nothing wrong with towing...
i'm not saying it will not be allowed...of course they can try what they want....but is it working?!

[khizerk]

i don't think they are able to do it......they both pull out too early.....what is the guarantee that they'll gain an advantage.....shouldn't be a repeat of Monza!!!!

When you are at least 6 tenths down, you have to take risks. That is our unfortunate situation.

[bonzo]

We are sandbagging. Wishful thinking, that is...

[Kyss4k]

i'm not saying it will not be allowed...of course they can try what they want....but is it working?!

Well that's why they are trying that. You won't know until you try it.

[Kyss4k]

1.7 sec off... we are cooked... this is bad, its turning into a nightmare!!! that shows ferrari knows they cant compete and trying all the things to go faster... rather than getting more track time they are wasting time... Unless they are sandbagging!!! thats my optimistic side but when has ferrari sandbagged!!!

We are not putting fast times yet. We were trying towing till now.

[anuragiyer8989]

can sm1 tell what changes were made to the cars..that dropped us from P3 yesterday to P8 today?! or have others improved?!

[dmkevin]

if you are 1-2 tenths from the front runners yes if would be a good try but we are way off ... crazy what is ferrari doing. lost their marbles!!!

[yz2006]

this is a joke...

[anuragiyer8989]

ok, apparently they were practicing set-ups........still more to come i think

[Hornet]

Those Red Bulls look like driving on rails. Us and Macs nervous :/
Yep, there's just no competition between RB and the rest.

IMO, they got their exhaust design right.

[CDN-fan]

Alo P2 time of 1:26.8, so will assume he improves on his current 1:27.043

[dmkevin]

ok, apparently they were practicing set-ups........still more to come i think

practicing set up what they hec... never heard that in FP3... you supposed to be sure where you are...

[Kyss4k]

You guys are crazy if you think we were pushing... But we will not be faster than Bulls, that's certain.

[dmkevin]

and now we waiting for what!!!

[Kyss4k]

practicing set up what they hec... never heard that in FP3... you supposed to be sure where you are...

You have to be sure where you are in quali. Practice is practice! It is ment to practice. You know? Practice?

[anuragiyer8989]

practicing set up what they hec... never heard that in FP3... you supposed to be sure where you are...

well they did some changes to the cars this morning....the reason why they went out late.....and now they are confirming that set-up

[anuragiyer8989]

back in the pits again.......nice way to practice

[Voy]

Looks plain and obvious to me that Red Bulls will be again in the league of their own today and tomorrow. If we need slipstreaming / towing to get better results, this alone speaks to me volumes. Hopefully, Vettel runs out of luck tomorrow and Alonso stays out of trouble beats him in race pace.

[Rob]

Yep, there's just no competition between RB and the rest.

IMO, they got their exhaust design right.

Isnt just the exhausts, their nose is lower, helps air over the top of the car to the rear, few other bits. Helps claw back bit of D/F lost from the EBD.

[Rob]

Looks plain and obvious to me that Red Bulls will be again in the league of their own today and tomorrow. If we need slipstreaming / towing to get better results, this alone speaks to me volumes. Hopefully, Vettel runs out of luck tomorrow and Alonso stays out of trouble beats him in race pace.

Hoping his luck will end tomorrow on the first lap.:pray

[Voy]

Ten minutes left. Let's see what picture we will have now.

[Rishu]

Investigate the Bulls :-D

[bonzo]

Saving tires?

[Rob]

Investigate the Bulls :-D

they do need too.

[dmkevin]

You have to be sure where you are in quali. Practice is practice! It is ment to practice. You know? Practice?
i know what practice means but why would you want to practice set up in FP3 mate... no other teams does this!!! FP1 and FP2 is for set up FP3 is just practicing for quali, with minor tweaks... if thats coming from ferrari then god save us later and sunday!!!

[Hornet]

Isnt just the exhausts, their nose is lower, helps air over the top of the car to the rear, few other bits. Helps claw back bit of D/F lost from the EBD.
Yeah, I guess the Red Bull's car is probably the most complete and balance package, everything just works well and nicely together.

I'm sure Ferrari will not give up yet this year until Alonso its mathematically impossible. But hopefully come next year, we will have a strong car. We have two great drivers, but that's just not enough when our competitors are this strong.

[Voy]

Williams looks quite fast today, way faster than us. Macs not bad either, Lotus is there too. Let's wait and see the final laps of Alonso and Massa to see where we are...

[anuragiyer8989]

both drivers out now

[Rob]

Scuderia Ferrari ‏@InsideFerrari
And now it's time for the 2nd and last run, obviously on Option tyres for both drivers.

[bluesilhouettes]

Does anyone know what exactly they are doing ?
Just like Merc in some races of this year. Just sit to save tyres ???

[Kyss4k]

i know what practice means but why would you want to practice set up in FP3 mate... no other teams does this!!! FP1 and FP2 is for set up FP3 is just practicing for quali, with minor tweaks... if thats coming from ferrari then god save us later and sunday!!!

There is nothing wrong with constant tweeking. Maybe they found something great over night and they are trying it now. That would you happy right? Truth is, we don't know what they are doing and we can cry or celebrate after the quali/race. It has no sense now.

[Voy]

We need to abduct Newey. I am fed up with neverending stories on correlation issues of our wind tunnels.

[Rob]

Does anyone know what exactly they are doing ?
Just like Merc in some races of this year. Just seat to save tyres ???

Just letting the track rubber in abit more before soft tyres go on.

[OneMoreChance]

Yeah, I guess the Red Bull's car is probably the most complete and balance package, everything just works well and nicely together.

I'm sure Ferrari will not give up yet this year until Alonso its mathematically impossible. But hopefully come next year, we will have a strong car. We have two great drivers, but that's just not enough when our competitors are this strong.

i think SV will win the WDC again in 2013. Lucky cry baby, right time in the right car.

[anuragiyer8989]

soft tires.....story still the same P8 & P9

[Voy]

P 10-11 at the moment

[albert]

horrific. how the hell do we lose almost 0.5 to Vettel in S1 when its just long straights?

[dmkevin]

so we did practice set up and what set up i dont have a clue... 6tenths off we on soft vettel did it on hard!!! what happening there... track temp is 36deg... so what are we waiting to show our hands!!!

[Voy]

Well, in short - we have a mountain to climb in quali and the race. Alonso will drive his socks off for sure. But will it be enough?

[anuragiyer8989]

so it'll be a either a 3rd or 4th row IMO

[Rishu]

We were running heavy IMO, no way Senna was faster than Alonso by 3 tenths

[F1NAC]

this is bad ... hope we will be in front of McLaren ...

[Voy]

Vettel will be very hard to beat. Watching him on the race track, you see how aggressive, determined and perfectly driving he is. And this Red Bull car is a pleasure to watch. I don't care to admit. This is a fact.

[anuragiyer8989]

i think it'll be RB lockout of row 1, followed by Maccas row 2 and then maybe Fernando or Kimi or a Williams?!

[Hornet]

McLaren looks strong with Button up there.

We have to hope that McLaren will beat Vettel, if we can't do it.

[Voy]

Hamilton the only one on hards 3 tenths off Vettel and 3 tenths faster that Alonso. Everybody else on softs

[bonzo]

Losing 0,3sec in turn 15 only!! Hopeless, hopeless... Damage limitation season. Bulls*it

[Cemz85]

qually forget it, it takes redbull like 2 laps to get the option tyre to work, where as everyone else is like 5+ laps..
Im afraid but this Championship is OVER!, we all know it, but dont want to accept it

[anuragiyer8989]

just great.....why did they have to change yesterday's set-up....this is just downright frustrating man!!!

[dmkevin]

We were running heavy IMO, no way Senna was faster than Alonso by 3 tenths
Mate dont believe in santa clause, he wont come to give you the present you been looking for... good to be optimistic but we were def on fuel loads we normally have in FPs... senna was faster than us that says everything about our updates... what i dont understand why we stood in the garage for so long... wasted practice time!!!

[Rishu]

Vettel's advantage is S3. We need yellow flag there in Q3 :-D

[diesel08]

Bad developments for Ferrari, is no mystery here. Only hope is DNF to Vet or rain in Brasil.

[bonzo]

just great.....why did they have to change yesterday's set-up....this is just downright frustrating man!!!

Cause they are totaly lost, just do not know what to do, what to test, complete mess up. Who is in command in the pits?

[Rishu]

Mate dont believe in santa clause, he wont come to give you the present you been looking for... good to be optimistic but we were def on fuel loads we normally have in FPs... senna was faster than us that says everything about our updates... what i dont understand why we stood in the garage for so long... wasted practice time!!!

Look at the time sheets. Alonso was slow in all sectors..

[bonzo]

Bad developments for Ferrari, is no mystery here. Only hope is DNF to Vet or rain in Brasil.

In Brazil will be too late, Seb will have it by then, 3 times wdc

[fadyferrari]

Mate dont believe in santa clause, he wont come to give you the present you been looking for... good to be optimistic but we were def on fuel loads we normally have in FPs... senna was faster than us that says everything about our updates... what i dont understand why we stood in the garage for so long... wasted practice time!!!

seems we wouldnt mind stefano's head for dinner tonight....:-D

[anuragiyer8989]

seems we wouldnt mind stefano's head for dinner tonight....:-D

Stefano tikka masala! :rotfl

[yz2006]

Look at the time sheets. Alonso was slow in all sectors..

That's the problem. Our car is not fast enough no point to hide anything in fp3.

[dmkevin]

Look at the time sheets. Alonso was slow in all sectors..
yes what does that prove??? we are not fast enough!!! thats all... nothing to do with fuel loads... why would ferrari do that? sandbagging!!! i know reality hurts but its a pure fact we are just slow!!! whatever ferrari was doing with massa and alonso cars in FP3 they have messed up the set up from FP2, if i were to believe one of our friend here!!! time for a big change at ferrari...

[fadyferrari]

Stefano tikka masala! :rotfl

and i wouldnt mind a FRIED pat either....:lol

[anuragiyer8989]

it seems from the GPUpdate site, that Lotus have got their DDRS working

[Voy]

Ferrari needs a major overhaul of the team. Domenicalli era never produced a car that was quick straight of the box. Lot of promises, PR stuff, but we were never close to that sheer domination of Todt-Brawn-Schumacher era.

[bonzo]

Ferrari needs a major overhaul of the team. Domenicalli era never produced a car that was quick straight of the box. Lot of promises, PR stuff, but we were never close to that sheer domination of Todt-Brawn-Schumacher era.
And will never be

[dmkevin]

and i wouldnt mind a FRIED pat either....:lol
i dont think pat fry is the culprit here... i believe he is hitting brick wall, he is probably as confused as us to the direction ferrari keeps on taking!!! I dont know how good the guy is but when he talks he makes sense out of the issue at ferrari. Pat can try as hard as he can, as long as he doesnt get very strong support from the top he is just a passenger in a seat...There are really fundamental issues, and i believe it lies with the people working there. If you introduce a change in any organisation, there would be resistance from a large group of people!!! so getting these plunkers to go your way takes time... but i dont think we will get there, if we do not have a LEADER - like todd was... domi is just a follower and too weak and soft. people walking over him!!! Time to change, else ferrari will go for years and years without winning nothing... This year its alonso that has made the car look fast, i actual fact its no good... he has adapted his driving style a crap car basically covering for the bad design SF have made. Massa in actual fact is showing the true potential of the car and i believe lately alonso is losing his confidence and motivation to fight as he knows there is only bad luck fro others that will win him the champ!!! This car has made massa look like a total novice and i still believe he is a top driver given the right tools...

[MP081984]

Unbelievable!!!! C c c I've seen pretty much all of this seasons FPs/Qualis/Races and IMO the only venue where we looked truly competitive (in normal conditions) was Monza. Everywhere else it's been 3rd best tops. And it is only Alonso's brilliant driving that kept us in the hunt this late into the season. NOTHING else! Plan and simple...

Huge shame for such a great driver and team!

Management out NOW!

[fadyferrari]

Ferrari needs a major overhaul of the team. Domenicalli era never produced a car that was quick straight of the box. Lot of promises, PR stuff, but we were never close to that sheer domination of Todt-Brawn-Schumacher era.

since it seems we r gonna have to resort to just wishful thinking for the rest of the season.....any suggestions who might make a good replacement for SD?

[MP081984]

i dont think pat fry is the culprit here... i believe he is hitting brick wall, he is probably as confused as us to the direction ferrari keeps on taking!!! I dont know how good the guy is but when he talks he makes sense out of the issue at ferrari. There are really fundamental issues, and i believe it lies with the people working there. If you introduce a change in any organisation, there would be resistance from a large group of people!!! so getting these plunkers to go your way takes time... but i dont think we will get there, if we do not have a LEADER - like todd was... domi is just a follower and too weak and soft. people walking over him!!! Time to change, else ferrari will go for years and years without winning nothing... This year its alonso that has made the car look fast, i actual fact its no good... he has adapted his driving style a crap car basically covering for the bad design SF have made. Massa in actual fact is showing the true potential of the car and i believe lately alonso is losing his confidence and motivation to fight as he knows there is only bad luck fro others that will win him the champ!!! This car has made massa look like a total novice and i still believe he is a top driver given the right tools...

Exactly! Couldn't said it better my self, especially the point about Stefano D.

[anuragiyer8989]

Ferrari needs a major overhaul of the team. Domenicalli era never produced a car that was quick straight of the box. Lot of promises, PR stuff, but we were never close to that sheer domination of Todt-Brawn-Schumacher era.

I do not think that this era will end soon....the fact that they have persisted for so long.....ignoring their wind-tunnel problems....ignoring their management problems....ignoring their fans' pleas......i don't think they are aggressive enough....neither are they going to come back to their winning streak....unless Luca Di realizes that things are going wrong......i'm not saying that they can produce a car which was quick straight out of the box....no, every car needs development over a period.....that's ok...but this has gone out of proportion......

[bonzo]

since it seems we r gonna have to resort to just wishful thinking for the rest of the season.....any suggestions who might make a good replacement for SD?

MSC

[F2002]

I have a feeling that this wasn't a normal FP3 session for Ferrari.

Both cars stayed in the pits until quite late in the session. Then, they basically came out to tow each other, and generally the lap times are also absurd.

Let's wait for qualifying before passing judgement, bear in mind as well that yesterday wasn't that bad.

Of course, we cannot hide behind the fact that RBR is strong, and I also sympathize with the comments about who should take responsibility for failing once again to deliver a decent car.

However, since we are focusing on India now, I'd say hold on to it, as no points have been won or lost as yet.

[MP081984]

What happened to Flavio B? :)

[fadyferrari]

i dont think pat fry is the culprit here... i believe he is hitting brick wall, he is probably as confused as us to the direction ferrari keeps on taking!!! I dont know how good the guy is but when he talks he makes sense out of the issue at ferrari. Pat can try as hard as he can, as long as he doesnt get very strong support from the top he is just a passenger in a seat...There are really fundamental issues, and i believe it lies with the people working there. If you introduce a change in any organisation, there would be resistance from a large group of people!!! so getting these plunkers to go your way takes time... but i dont think we will get there, if we do not have a LEADER - like todd was... domi is just a follower and too weak and soft. people walking over him!!! Time to change, else ferrari will go for years and years without winning nothing... This year its alonso that has made the car look fast, i actual fact its no good... he has adapted his driving style a crap car basically covering for the bad design SF have made. Massa in actual fact is showing the true potential of the car and i believe lately alonso is losing his confidence and motivation to fight as he knows there is only bad luck fro others that will win him the champ!!! This car has made massa look like a total novice and i still believe he is a top driver given the right tools...

i just wish that superb motivation of alonso doesnt finally drain out and the team-driver relationship just becomes awkward(a la hamilton-macca).......this guy clearly deserves more than this....!

[EL NANO]

I haven't been back here for a few weeks and just because we do not top the times sheets in a practice session it is Ferrari bashing time.... Guys the F2012 is not the car to win a championship in but let's give the team some credit for trying and above all for Alonso who is a freakish talent, without him we would be nowhere!

[EL NANO]

I do agree that Ferrari needs new leadership and fresh direction....

[fadyferrari]

I have a feeling that this wasn't a normal FP3 session for Ferrari.

Both cars stayed in the pits until quite late in the session. Then, they basically came out to tow each other, and generally the lap times are also absurd.

Let's wait for qualifying before passing judgement, bear in mind as well that yesterday wasn't that bad.


Of course, we cannot hide behind the fact that RBR is strong, and I also sympathize with the comments about who should take responsibility for failing once again to deliver a decent car.

However, since we are focusing on India now, I'd say hold on to it, as no points have been won or lost as yet.

i know in a way u r right mate,but after this year long wait to finally see some working updates,the patience just seems to have drained out....

[EL NANO]

The only explanation for slow pace is that we are trying some different set ups to confirm new parts are making a difference ...

[anuragiyer8989]

What happened to Flavio B? :)

He'll probably be my contender for the Leader......great relationship with Fernando and real powerful and aggressive man!

[MP081984]

I have a feeling that this wasn't a normal FP3 session for Ferrari.

Both cars stayed in the pits until quite late in the session. Then, they basically came out to tow each other, and generally the lap times are also absurd.

Let's wait for qualifying before passing judgement, bear in mind as well that yesterday wasn't that bad.

Of course, we cannot hide behind the fact that RBR is strong, and I also sympathize with the comments about who should take responsibility for failing once again to deliver a decent car.

However, since we are focusing on India now, I'd say hold on to it, as no points have been won or lost as yet.

I sympathize with your comment mate, but this type of attitude is exactly the reason for what is happening. My understanding of Ferrari philosophy is that you MUST always try to be the quickest. If you can't achieve that 3 years in a row, you do not just sit on it and wait for miracles, but you react and improve, which means taking the hard, difficult and painful decision.

[diesel08]

Fernando's motivation...great but not for ever, the team management is our weakest point. Briatore is free, a very strong leader so let's bring him in Ferrari team.

[yz2006]

Season is over to us, unless there's miracle. But we will still support our beloved ferrari next year. But when the team can bring us more joys of winning?

[anuragiyer8989]

Fernando's motivation...great but not for ever, the team management is our weakest point. Briatore is free, a very strong leader so let's bring him in Ferrari team.

Flavio is like Horner....he'll do anything n everything to win...we want such a mentality.....not a bunch of motivational speakers like SD

[MP081984]

Flavio is like Horner....he'll do anything n everything to win...we want such a mentality.....not a bunch of motivational speakers like SD
Agree...

But wasn't he under some kind of a ban after Singaporegate 2008?

[anuragiyer8989]

Agree...

But wasn't he under some kind of a ban after Singaporegate 2008?
i think his ban has expired.....he's now free

[diesel08]

The only explanation for slow pace is that we are trying some different set ups to confirm new parts are making a difference ...


let's hope so..

[PURE PASSION]

It´s look really bad but life goes on!
My personally i´m flying cause my wife tell me that she is pregnant on our second child!!(already have a 5year old son)
So for the time being i´m to happy to be sad for some bad results from Ferrari. Our time will come again !!!

[anuragiyer8989]

well it is pointless to question Ferrari's approach now.....next up is Abu Dhabi....another RB arena....i'm guessing we'll go on like this ......we've been promised that at every race upgrades will be brought.....so much for bringing upgrades n then changing set-ups on Saturdays......

[MP081984]

i think his ban has expired.....he's now free

Than I would sign for it... He might not be the cleanest guy out there (and most of them aren't), but he definitely knows what it takes to win a Championship!

[PURE PASSION]

It´s look really bad but life goes on!
Me personally i´m flying cause my wife told me that she is pregnant on our second child!!(already have a 5year old son)
So for the time being i´m to happy to be sad for some bad results from Ferrari. Our time will come again !!!

[dmkevin]

The only explanation for slow pace is that we are trying some different set ups to confirm new parts are making a difference ...
my friend why would someone wants to play with set up in FP3... FP2/FP1 is for set up change, FP3 is minor tweaks... playing with set up shows we are nowhere and the upgrades not working... now we are in deep s...t, cos we might take on old set up and becos we havent used FP3 to optimise it we would not hav a really gud one...macca have proven this time n time with lewis changing set up last minute. this messed him up in the race n quali... red bull rarely change their set up in fp3.... i think we were crap. ferrari was hoping track temp would favour us but it seems not.

[MP081984]

It´s look really bad but life goes on!
My personally i´m flying cause my wife tell me that she is pregnant on our second child!!(already have a 5year old son)
So for the time being i´m to happy to be sad for some bad results from Ferrari. Our time will come again !!!

Well congrats mate! :)