1st Pre Season test - Jerez - All info and photos here

[voiko]

Super excited to see more updates on all of the cars and find out what secrets people have been hiding - love to learn a little more about the Red Bull bulge scarbs was talking about too!!!

[Kingdom Hearts]

Every year it's the same, don't panic with the times!.

[Hornet]

The exciting part is seeing new aero parts being brought, seeing how the car react and behave on track. These are the telltale signs.

[bkircher]

Has our car been run on track yet?

[Katu]

Every year it's the same, don't panic with the times!.

yes, Ferrari is probably 2 sec slower than the fastest, no panic:lol

[mihirshah28186]

Does any body know which website will be showing the lap times for the jerez F1 testing from 5 to 8 feburary 2013?

[Kyss4k]

Does any body know which website will be showing the lap times for the jerez F1 testing from 5 to 8 feburary 2013?

http://live.autosport.com/
http://www.msfree.gr/ - then F1 -> LIVE (but it still points to 2012 test LT page for now)

[fratelliferrari]

Excited about Ferrari! But winter testing says not everything! We have to be fast in Australia! By the way: Jules Bianchi may test 1 day in the Force India this week. Should this be an indication that he will be second driver this year?

[Massimo181]

Massa just done 1m35.607s first flying lap of the day.

[Massimo]

Massa on track now, official shakedown of the F138!
Forza Felipe ! :ferrarifl

[alex1s]

P1 Yeah baby !!!

[medeni73]

and already gearbox problems for Merc...

[tifosi1993]

http://f1tests.info/2013.php?rev=on

http://www.msfree.gr/ms.php?id=29552

[Schumyboy83]

http://f1tests.info/2013.php?rev=on

Spot on, Thanks dude...

[fronaldo]

no live streaming guys?

[medeni73]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCU5Ic4CUAAqw0K.jpg:large

[jgdswaran]

yes no live streaming for test

[medeni73]

Ferrari is satisfied with the first laps, we had to do three laps without incident, it's done

[fratelliferrari]

Go Felipe Go! Our car looks so so gorgeous!:-D

[Massimo]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5962/jerezmassaf138box.jpg

[Schumyboy83]

1:25:705 for Pastor...

[jgdswaran]

Maldonado posts 1.25.705

[jgdswaran]

1.22.568 for Pastor........

[Massimo181]

And that is in last years Williams

[jgdswaran]

08:32 First red flag of the day, and its for McLaren.

[Schumyboy83]

Haha, McLaren first car of 2013 to break...

[medeni73]

please dont make comments with lap times!!! It doesnt mean really ANYTHING. For example Williams uses 2012 car and is now just testing new tyres, meaning they can and will PUSH and be fastest...
mechanical failures, how car "attacks" corners etc will be more important today as lap times...

[jgdswaran]

Ya exactly

[anakin]

hmmm. reliability issues as early as first 5 laps for mclarens and mercedes

[radosav]

We are doomed! Championship is over!

[Massimo]

Maybe i have seen to many pictures already, but look at that undercut, are these the same sides as presentation?
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8575/ferrmassjere2013.jpg

[medeni73]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCU-aOoCYAEhhBY.jpg:large

[anialonso]

Hoping the car goes well today..:thumb

[alex1s]

why do we have intermediates on??

[anialonso]

We are doomed! Championship is over!
why is that???
Everbody has done only a couple of laps and you claim the championship is over..

[jgdswaran]

why do we have intermediates on??

Because the track temperature is low

[tifosi1993]

Felipe on track

[Schumyboy83]

Green again...

[radosav]

why is that???
Everbody has done only a couple of laps and you claim the championship is over..

it was a joke!

[dfunk257]

lol! God our car looks bloody gorgeous!! Please b fast fast fast!!!

[anialonso]

it was a joke!
ok..
it would be more like that the championship would be over for Mclaren with the way they started...

[Cemz85]

i remember last year all journalist said the f2012 was all over the place and was not planted, How true they were..
Hope i dont read anything like that again this time around

[dfunk257]

So it looks like to me that we have new sidepods, can we confirm that?

[wisepie]

Here we go again, one-liner posts saying we're doomed, for heaven's sake guys, give everyone a chance to settle down and take this testing session at face value, it's an on-track shakedown and systems test first, then we'll see what we can do as things progress. Have faith!

[Massimo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCU-aOoCYAEhhBY.jpg:large

Man look at that rear, super compact all in one KERS unit, low and stretched gearbox, now that is Ferrari engineering, that makes me proud! :ferrarifl

[stefa]

So it looks like to me that we have new sidepods, can we confirm that?

Not sure about it... Any way I am so glad it has finally started :-)

[alex1s]

Man look at that rear, super compact all in one KERS unit, low and stretched gearbox, now that is Ferrari engineering, that makes me proud! :ferrarifl

+1 ... hope it is reliable as well.

[medeni73]

It seems that initial system tests were good, I assume we will take the car down aerodynamic route sometime afternoon if everything goes as planned. Then it will be important to get data and NOT TO HAVE any correlation issues...If car is planted too and drivebility OK then we can have high hopes for our car...:)

[Massimo]

So it looks like to me that we have new sidepods, can we confirm that?

I was thinking the same thing, look at the picture a somewhere above, did we have such an undercut? looks far more extreme.

[Hornet]

I was thinking the same thing, look at the picture a somewhere above, did we have such an undercut? looks far more extreme.
Much more extreme than last year's but I "think" its the same as the launch design. Maybe it appears different because now we get better close up view compared to the studio pictures which are not meant to reveal all the details.

[jgdswaran]

http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0469368.jpg

[number 13]

Our car looks amazing.Hope it's as fast and reliable as it looks :-D

[jgdswaran]

http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/images/700/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0469369.jpg

[jgdswaran]

http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0469367.jpg

[tifosi1993]

Red flag

[medeni73]

Doesnt look good for Mercedes engines...

[medeni73]

http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Felipe-Massa-Ferrari-Formel-1-Test-Jerez-5-Februar-2013-19-fotoshowImageNew-db1ea6c2-658869.jpg
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Felipe-Massa-Ferrari-Formel-1-Test-Jerez-5-Februar-2013-19-fotoshowImageNew-160f68e2-658887.jpg
http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Felipe-Massa-Ferrari-Formel-1-Test-Jerez-5-Februar-2013-19-fotoshowImageNew-bc7ffd78-658903.jpg

[anakin]

are we running inters for the past 11 laps??

[alex1s]

http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Felipe-Massa-Ferrari-Formel-1-Test-Jerez-5-Februar-2013-19-fotoshowImageNew-db1ea6c2-658869.jpg
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Felipe-Massa-Ferrari-Formel-1-Test-Jerez-5-Februar-2013-19-fotoshowImageNew-160f68e2-658887.jpg

BEAUTIFUL

[Massimo]

BEAUTIFUL

The monkey seat is back, maybe i'm mistaking but is that a mini double diffuser?
Very interesting elements on the diffuser.

[medeni73]

fuel pump problems for McLaren...
Whitmarsh not delighted:
"Not a good start in the test drives. We had last year in Abu Dhabi, same defect in the fuel pump. Mercedes modified the part but it seems it didnt bring much...."

[anakin]

fuel pump problems for McLaren...
Whitmarsh not delighted:
"Not a good start in the test drives. We had last year in Abu Dhabi, same defect in the fuel pump. Mercedes modified the part but it seems it didnt bring much...."

:clap :clap :clap

[Massimo]

:ferrarifl
Gary Anderson says the two cars that stand out for him at moment are the McLaren and the Ferrari - lots of bits that look like a step fwd. :-D

[medeni73]

Possible engine failure for Mercedes...
Official statement: sudden loss of power... :)

[anialonso]

BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson in Jerez

"I've had my first look in the flesh at the new Ferrari this morning and I have to say it does look like quite a nice car. It's very tidy, with lots of good-looking stuff on it. And good impressions of the McLaren continue, too. Some bits were missing at the launch last week, such as the turning vanes under the car; they've all been added now and all look effective. Those are the two cars that stand out for me at the moment. With the Red Bull, I have to say it's hard to tell any differences between it and last year's car at the moment, apart from the step on the nose and a little duct they have running through it from bottom to top. I'm not seeing a lot of stuff that looks like a big step forward, but I am on the Ferrari and the McLaren. I am told, though, there is a big rear bodywork update coming for the final test - but I haven't had that confirmed yet."

[speedmaster]

Ha Ha...
What if McLaren comes and ask Ferrari for the engines... Should the horse agree???

[EL_NANDO]

I know nothing about aerodynamics, but our car does look very nice (again, that might mean nothing).

I'm still a bit worried about Pat Fry and his "we have catching up to do" comments. As always I'll be reserving judgement until after the race in Melbourne.

[medeni73]

apparently RB has also some catching up to do, no one can spot big differences on their car yet, it seems they are geting big upgrades on last test...we might see some big changes on our car then so its kind of equal race between us and RB...

[cokata]

Ha Ha...
What if McLaren comes and ask Ferrari for the engines... Should the horse agree???

yes why not.good for both,and when they win we can say a ferrari engined car won,but that would never happen

[Hornet]

I know nothing about aerodynamics, but our car does look very nice (again, that might mean nothing).

I'm still a bit worried about Pat Fry and his "we have catching up to do" comments. As always I'll be reserving judgement until after the race in Melbourne.

Beauty sometimes have a thing or two to do with aerodynamic efficiency. The step nose for example is ugly to the eye, even worse tho the aerodynamic. The tall rear wing is uglier than the old lower rear wing, and is also less efficient.

[Nick Singer]

Ha Ha...
What if McLaren comes and ask Ferrari for the engines... Should the horse agree???

I cannot believe McLaren would EVER come to Ferrari for engines! Not while "Sir" Ron "Badloser" Dennis still has a pulse!

[dfunk257]

As long as we have updates in mind 4 the near future (coming months), then im happy. We need to keep up with the level of our competitiors in this department, unlike the last 2 years.

[EL_NANDO]

Beauty sometimes have a thing or two to do with aerodynamic efficiency. The step nose for example is ugly to the eye, even worse tho the aerodynamic. The tall rear wing is uglier than the old lower rear wing, and is also less efficient.

I hope you're right. At least it looks like fundamentally our car is a clean design, and unlike last year most technical experts can't find any glaring flaws in our aero package, unlike the famous acer duct of last year!

[number 13]

It looks amazing! http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2013-02-05/racepictures_1360058434.52.jpg

[anakin]

surprise surprise.. its lotus on top. only its first few laps

[Jas]

Their are some elements on the car where it seems that they have taken a more simpler route than last year, for example on the floor at the rear, can we remember the tiny 3 little holes but were considered to be one rofile unlike that of red bulls...this is not here! secondly at the middle of the car the white santander curved elements had a jagged element...this seems not to be here! maybe they are just trying to get a solid platform to start! forza ferrari!

[Hornet]

May I ask where are you guys getting all the high quality picture from?
I just want to take a look at other team's car as well, see if they brought anything new. :-G

[jgdswaran]

May I ask where are you guys getting all the high quality picture from?
I just want to take a look at other team's car as well, see if they brought anything new. :-G

Go to:- http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=12

[khizerk]

The monkey seat is back, maybe i'm mistaking but is that a mini double diffuser?
Very interesting elements on the diffuser.

Yes its back. To me it seems that the reason Ferrari is going for a different cooling solution and making the rear super compact is to maximize air flow to the monkey seat and top of the diffuser. Its a trade off though because I think this would generate more drag on both the back end and the side pods. Though of course Ferrari must already be balancing the equations.

[bluesilhouettes]

Ha Ha...
What if McLaren comes and ask Ferrari for the engines... Should the horse agree???

I wondered that sometimes. :lol McLaren-Ferrari racing team :clap

[Hornet]

Go to:- http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=12

Thanks :thumb

[FerrariFanBoii]

Do we know who Force Indias 2nd driver is yet?

[jgdswaran]

Do we know who Force Indias 2nd driver is yet?

No

[tutax]

I would be much happier if the cars would experience problems during tests rather than during the season. As long as there is enough time to get data for aero and setups

[fratelliferrari]

Force India will not reveal their second driver during this testing week. But Friday Jules Bianchi will test for Force India so hopefully this is an indication he will get the seat this year. Go Jules!

[Crabbia]

BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson in Jerez

"I've had my first look in the flesh at the new Ferrari this morning and I have to say it does look like quite a nice car. It's very tidy, with lots of good-looking stuff on it. And good impressions of the McLaren continue, too. Some bits were missing at the launch last week, such as the turning vanes under the car; they've all been added now and all look effective. Those are the two cars that stand out for me at the moment. With the Red Bull, I have to say it's hard to tell any differences between it and last year's car at the moment, apart from the step on the nose and a little duct they have running through it from bottom to top. I'm not seeing a lot of stuff that looks like a big step forward, but I am on the Ferrari and the McLaren. I am told, though, there is a big rear bodywork update coming for the final test - but I haven't had that confirmed yet."

If gary anderson is saying the f138 looks like "quite a nice car" to me that is the most promising thing. normally whenever he gets a chance he slates the crap out of ferrari. to me this is the most promising news ive heard all day,

[cokata]

If gary anderson is saying the f138 looks like "quite a nice car" to me that is the most promising thing. normally whenever he gets a chance he slates the crap out of ferrari. to me this is the most promising news ive heard all day,

in general english speaking countrys can't stand Italy

[Massimo]

Yes its back. To me it seems that the reason Ferrari is going for a different cooling solution and making the rear super compact is to maximize air flow to the monkey seat and top of the diffuser. Its a trade off though because I think this would generate more drag on both the back end and the side pods. Though of course Ferrari must already be balancing the equations.

I was thinking that, you pay a price with the drag from the monkeyseat, and this year "stall" is the magic word.
But just saw some pictures, at first i thought it was a new diffuser, but it actually looks more like last years, and with the new DRS system they would have to redesign the diffuser also, so maybe it's a temporary thing, and as the new parts start to come, hopefully also the new diffuser, the monkey seat will go?

[jgdswaran]

McLaren is struggling with a fuel pump-related issue, we've been informed. The team has managed just three laps so far, and none of them flyers.

[jgdswaran]

1m20.547s for Ricciardo, the best we've seen so far at Jerez.

[diesel08]

Ricciardo is on hard tyres-timing is not relevant

[Gerhard Berger]

I know nothing about aerodynamics, but our car does look very nice (again, that might mean nothing).

I'm still a bit worried about Pat Fry and his "we have catching up to do" comments. As always I'll be reserving judgement until after the race in Melbourne.

We have alot of catching up to do with our windtunnel model.

Basically the windtunnel model is 3 months ahead of the launch car in terms of aerodynamic updates.

[Massimo]

We have alot of catching up to do with our windtunnel model.

Basically the windtunnel model is 3 months ahead of the launch car in terms of aerodynamic updates.

Don't know if it's three months, but givin the fact that it takes over 1000 man-hours to make a frontwing, the tunnel model should be ahead some time i think.

[anakin]

why the f138 is off the pace?
what tires have they been using? inters?
or the relevant times will show after lunch break?
kind of worried

[medeni73]

Relevant times will show after Q3 in Melbourne...

[MRRabbit]

how can u be worried after half a day of the first testing session, wow. going by that logic McLaren would be last in the championship by year end :-P

[fratelliferrari]

Massa back on track now. But we don't know exactly what the different teams are testing. I can remember years where we were on top on winter testing and coming to Australia we were off the pace. We have to wait till Australia were we stand against the other competitors.

[ferrari1.8t]

ScarbsF1 #F1 Toro Rosso planning switch to Renault engines for 2014 autosport.com/news/report.ph… via @autosportnews

[Nova]

Is there a live stream of testing anywhere?

[Super M]

how can u be worried after half a day of the first testing session, wow. going by that logic McLaren would be last in the championship by year end :-P


I so agree with you!!!.........People need to calm down by a few hundred degrees!!......sheees man....Its all about testing and nothing to do with times.........at least not right now!!.......:furious

[anialonso]

Is there a live stream of testing anywhere?

NO live videos..
but try this::
http://live.autosport.com/commentary.php/id/549
http://f1tests.info/2013.php?rev=on
http://www.msfree.gr/ms.php?id=29552

[diesel08]

why the f138 is off the pace?
what tires have they been using? inters?
or the relevant times will show after lunch break?
kind of worried

F138 is not off the pace, this days the teams work on reliability of car systems, pace times is not a concern. Where are RBR & Mclaren? Do you think they are slow?Cool dawn and calm.

[Nova]

Thank you..I would love to see live testing...no commentary, just the live sounds of F1 cars.
Makes me feel as if Im there.

[h3ro]

Let's not worry about the fortunes/misfortunes of the other teams. No points awarded for leading tests and you don't lose position for having technical issues during testing.

Hope we have a strong, reliable car that has pace when it matters. Good to have F1 back.

[anialonso]

Autosports:

And yes, that does mirror the current top three on the times, but how often in testing are those times deceptive? Remember the day last year when a visibly unpleasant-to-drive Ferrari set a morale boosting flyer.

They dont leave a single chance to hit back at Ferrari..
Hope we silence them..

[Cemz85]

mercedes wil not run today. poor hamilton lol

[Giambattista]

mercedes wil not run today. poor hamilton lol

It's Rosberg's day today...

[medeni73]

yes but now Hamilton must do the basic works tomorrow instead...

[Giambattista]

right, indeed poor Lewis, I'm really looking forward to hear the first comments of Massa, Fry and Domenicali after todays testing, too early to comment on the pace but few words about the new parts, their performance, exhaust, new engine unit would be much appreciated.

[SashAlex]

Hi guys! Been following the test on autosport, but there is not much if little info about what we're doing. 47 laps in the morning that seems OK. Hope all the checkings went well and the car could be reliable.

[anialonso]

BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson in Jerez

"It's early days here in Jerez, and I have been out on the track to have a look at the cars and how they're behaving. People are running lots of different fuel loads, and that can have a major effect on the handling of the car, but you can look at general characteristics. Like last year, the Lotus looks good. Romain Grosjean is able to keep the front tucked in nicely on the tricky exit of Turn Two, where the track falls away. If a driver misses his braking point, it can be hard in a tricky car to keep it on line, but the Lotus is going well. Mark Webber appeared to be running a lot of fuel in the Red Bull, which looked cumbersome. The Ferrari looked pretty good and vice-free. The car seemed well planted and Felipe Massa looked committed, which is always a good sign. And overall, I'd say the gap between the front of the grid and further back may well have narrowed.

[medeni73]

First observations are coming from the track, how cars look like out there...no mention of Ferrari yet....apart of Gary Anderson who has 50%-50% credibility with the rest of the world... :)

[speedmaster]

BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson in Jerez
"It's early days here in Jerez, and I have been out on the track to have a look at the cars and how they're behaving. People are running lots of different fuel loads, and that can have a major effect on the handling of the car, but you can look at general characteristics. Like last year, the Lotus looks good. Romain Grosjean is able to keep the front tucked in nicely on the tricky exit of Turn Two, where the track falls away. If a driver misses his braking point, it can be hard in a tricky car to keep it on line, but the Lotus is going well. Mark Webber appeared to be running a lot of fuel in the Red Bull, which looked cumbersome. The Ferrari looked pretty good and vice-free. The car seemed well planted and Felipe Massa looked committed, which is always a good sign. :thumb And overall, I'd say the gap between the front of the grid and further back may well have narrowed."

[Hornet]

Hi guys! Been following the test on autosport, but there is not much if little info about what we're doing. 47 laps in the morning that seems OK. Hope all the checkings went well and the car could be reliable.

Ferrari isn't testing anything new today... well, apart from the car that's new, but no newer parts yet, probably won't be any for this week. So I think this week for Ferrari, no news is good news. As long as we don't blow up or break down, we can do all the testing we need and prepare to develop the car next round.

[medeni73]

many sensors around sidepod-exhaust area...could meaning they test heat production and durability of area in wake of new exhaust/sidepod that is due probably in last test???

[Haris]

Massa hasn't been out for more than 2 hours now. Is everything ok?

edit: Now he's out. :D

[gjoko-mkd]

Why Massa isn`t on the track, does anybody now?

[medeni73]

Massa out
Everything is OK, they had to digest that pasta... :)

[Massimo]

Ferrari isn't testing anything new today... well, apart from the car that's new, but no newer parts yet, probably won't be any for this week. So I think this week for Ferrari, no news is good news. As long as we don't blow up or break down, we can do all the testing we need and prepare to develop the car next round.

From what i read, everybody is really impressed by the rear of the Ferrari, have to say it looks amazing, very tight and clean, the car looks very good in the corners, and to be honest, i think the best is still to come.
I'm expecting a new diffuser, and hope they can get the passive DRS to work.
I have a really good feeling about this car, my prediction? Ferrari will be in great shape in Melbourne.

Per Sempre Forza Ferrari!

[Hornet]

Why Massa isn`t on the track, does anybody now?
Lunch break? They need to eat :-P


From what i read, everybody is really impressed by the rear of the Ferrari, have to say it looks amazing, very tight and clean, the car looks very good in the corners, and to be honest, i think the best is still to come.
I'm expecting a new diffuser, and hope they can get the passive DRS to work.
I have a really good feeling about this car, my prediction? Ferrari will be in great shape in Melbourne.

Per Sempre Forza Ferrari!
That's really good news. If the car is already doing well right out of the box, future upgrades can focus on making it faster rather than trying to solve problems. :pray

[ferrari1.8t]

+1.675 off the pace at the end of day 1. :Hmm

[Meiga]

They dont leave a single chance to hit back at Ferrari..
Hope we silence them..

Maybe somebody should remain Autosport that the "visibly unpleasant-to-drive Ferrari" fought until the last race for one of the titles, and ended up being the runner up in both categories. Not ideal but far better than other 10 teams in the grid, if I am not mistaken ;-)

[ferrari4life]

From what i read, everybody is really impressed by the rear of the Ferrari, have to say it looks amazing, very tight and clean, the car looks very good in the corners, and to be honest, i think the best is still to come.
I'm expecting a new diffuser, and hope they can get the passive DRS to work.
I have a really good feeling about this car, my prediction? Ferrari will be in great shape in Melbourne.

Per Sempre Forza Ferrari!

curious as to what your predictions were at the start of 2012?

[number 13]

+1.675 off the pace at the end of day 1. :Hmm

Some people never seem to learn...These times don't mean a thing!

[FerrariFanBoii]

Everyone says that about Free Practice... And yet last year the person who usually topped FP got Pole and Won the race.. And we qualified around where are FP positions were.... Soooooo....

[ferrari4life]

Everyone says that about Free Practice... And yet last year the person who usually topped FP got Pole and Won the race.. And we qualified around where are FP positions were.... Soooooo....

well said.:lol

[Massimo]

curious as to what your predictions were at the start of 2012?

Well, the news coming from Jerez, last year was not the best, so my expectations were low, but i'm a positive person by nature, so every year i like to think Ferrari will take the title(s).
And 2 out of the last 3 year it took until the last race, to accept defeat.
Difference from 2012 is that the first signs are encouraging now.

[ferrari1.8t]

Some people never seem to learn...These times don't mean a thing!

I am not calling doom and gloom, however, times do mean something. They are not completely irrelevant as you make them out to be.

[Forzi]

Everyone says that about Free Practice... And yet last year the person who usually topped FP got Pole and Won the race.. And we qualified around where are FP positions were.... Soooooo....

This aint FP, not a race weekend, where we have to work on the setup. Car is also far from where it's gonna be at Australia. Numerious years have showed that preseason test times show not only nothing, but rather oftenly the opposite. The only way you could see how's everyone doing, is by being there and seeing how the car goes around the corners. So far, everyone who is there said nothing but good things about our car, it being planted well on the track. Last year we pulled 1st, 2nd place flyers here, but we heard talks about how it looked bad on the track and it turned out to be so.

[number 13]

I am not calling doom and gloom, however, times do mean something. They are not completely irrelevant as you make them out to be.

These times no they don't mean a thing.It's the first day of the tests and the team had a program to go through that neither you nor me know about.So i will say just wait and see till Q3 in Australia.

[Forzi]

tedkravitz Ted Kravitz 17s
Good news Ferrari fans.. Felipe says the car is a 'good balanced base' - a 'huge difference to last year' pic.twitter.com/5dPrOgwx

there ya go

[Massimo]

I am not calling doom and gloom, however, times do mean something. They are not completely irrelevant as you make them out to be.

Come on man, Felipe was doing short stints, installation laps, aero tests, collecting data, trying different parts, and you're comparing that against Jenson's low fuel, soft tyre, glory run?
Oh yeah, and McLaren lost half a days work.

[Meiga]

Practice times are relevant; but their relevance is different if we are talking FP1 on a Friday before a race or the first day of getting the cars out during the winter test!

It would have been better to see Massa up front, but let's wait till Friday before we start making any predictions. :-)

[Schumyboy83]

I think tomorrow Felipe will put his foot down more...

[PURE PASSION]

tedkravitz Ted Kravitz 17s
Good news Ferrari fans.. Felipe says the car is a 'good balanced base' - a 'huge difference to last year' pic.twitter.com/5dPrOgwx


That's enough for me!!!:thumb

[tifosi1993]

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[Forzi]

One more:
Adam Cooper @adamcooperf1

#F12 Crucially Ferrari is well ahead of where it was this time last year - "a completely different planet," said @Felipe1Massa

So far it sounds good.

[F1NAC]

jesus how many same quotes will you post today ? :D it was good today , looking forward for the next days

[Prancing Bear]

This aint FP, not a race weekend, where we have to work on the setup. Car is also far from where it's gonna be at Australia. Numerious years have showed that preseason test times show not only nothing, but rather oftenly the opposite. The only way you could see how's everyone doing, is by being there and seeing how the car goes around the corners. So far, everyone who is there said nothing but good things about our car, it being planted well on the track. Last year we pulled 1st, 2nd place flyers here, but we heard talks about how it looked bad on the track and it turned out to be so.

This is all that really needs to be said on this subject...:thumb

[Greig]

Everyone says that about Free Practice... And yet last year the person who usually topped FP got Pole and Won the race.. And we qualified around where are FP positions were.... Soooooo....

Not really and a race weekend is very very different to pre season testing, but if you want to draw conclusions from day 1 of testing then you can do so off course :-)

[SashAlex]

Allow me please to applause the guys that believe the car is some sort of a failure again or slow!

C'mon! Don't be funny.

As to the test, very glad to hear positive impressions about the car from different people. It's one thing when one person says smth., and a completely different one when you hear that from more.

I'll very calmly follow the rest of the tests as I'm hell sure they know very well what they're doing. So, to those that are worrying about the off-pace result from today, stay calm and Forza Ferrari!

[tifosi1993]

http://imageshack.us/a/img163/5909/0469543.jpg (http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0469543.jpg)http://imageshack.us/a/img843/3733/0469608.jpg (http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0469608.jpg)http://imageshack.us/a/img717/6125/0469618.jpg (http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0469618.jpg)http://imageshack.us/a/img834/2267/0469606.jpg (http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0469606.jpg)http://imageshack.us/a/img844/4886/0469607.jpg (http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0469607.jpg)

[Tony]

Generally I don't like to read much into the first day of testing, but the tone from the team and track observers seems to be much more positive than it was last year which is definitely a good sign....

Any truth to the rumours that the Ferrari was designed in Toyota's second, older, wind tunnel as the newer one was being used only by McLaren?

[Forzi]

Massa: 2013 Ferrari a different world compared to poor '12 car

Felipe Massa says Ferrari is on a 'different planet' compared to the difficult situation it found itself in during pre-season Formula 1 testing last year, after getting his first impressions of the new F138 at Jerez on Tuesday.

The Brazilian ended the day sixth on the timesheets, but was not too worried about the lap times, because most importantly Ferrari had banished the prospect of a repeat of 2012's opening test nightmare.

"I think if you compare to last year it is a completely different planet," said Massa, when asked by AUTOSPORT about how his first day's running with the new car compared to 12 months ago.

"Last year I remember we were struggling a lot to drive the car. It was tricky to keep the car on the track, so this year the base on the car is completely different to last year.

"The car is much more balanced. I felt a good direction on the rear of the car as well, with traction. This is a track that is very difficult on the rear, degradation is very high. I would say that the difference to last year is huge."

Massa said early issues with the F138 have cropped up - like the need to improve cooling in the cockpit - but there were no alarm bells ringing about significant performance problems.

"I don't think it is a difficult thing to fix," he said. "I am not disappointed definitely.

"The 1m18.8s [lap time of Jenson Button] is an incredible time definitely, but the 1m19.7s [of second fastest Mark Webber] I don't think is.

"If you look at the first day, looking at how we ran, how we drove and the direction we had for the first day, I am not really disappointed.

"There is a lot to do, a lot to work on, a lot to develop on the car for the first race. That is clear. But I am not disappointed."

[OSS EL BOSS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTQB64fbFtE

[Jose Lorca]

BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson and I watched at various points around the track on Tuesday, and while it's impossible to see which car is going to be a winner just from observing, certain aspects of the cars' behaviour are instructive.

The Lotus looks nimble in the hands of Romain Grosjean, while the Red Bull of Mark Webber appeared to be running on a heavy fuel load in these early sessions, the car reacting more slowly on turn-in and acceleration than when light of fuel.

The Toro Rosso of Daniel Ricciardo looked promising in the slower corners, as the back of the car looks responsive to his inputs, while Paul di Resta was silky smooth and consistent in the Force India. The car appears to turn in well, it rides over kerbs and bumps with minimal deflection and he set a competitive time with absolutely no drama.

This circuit at Jerez is not typical of many current F1 tracks, and a car that is fast here may not necessarily be on the pace elsewhere, but it can still give clues.

We came across 1982 world champion Keke Rosberg - Nico's father - watching from one of the final corners, and he wasn't too impressed with the Ferrari of Felipe Massa, and thought that Pastor Maldonado was a bit ragged while pushing hard. That made Gary and me smile, as the Finn was well known for his hard-charging technique.

Maldonado's car is in fact the 2012 version with some updates, and Williams are the only team not to have unveiled their new car as yet. Perhaps this explains the Venezuelan's abandon - he may well feel a little less sense of responsibility than drivers who are out in the brand new cars, for which spare parts will be at a premium.

Lucky world champion bashing Ferrari. Old fool.

[Tifoso]

Some people never seem to learn...These times don't mean a thing!

They have for the last few years, at least with regards to our ultimate performance.

[Tifoso]

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My imagination, or does the car look more "stuck to the track" than last year? :Hmm

[CurdaNeta]

Circuit: Jerez circuit – 4.428 km
Driver: Felipe Massa
Car: Ferrari F138
Weather: air temperature 7/22 °C, track temperature 6/27 °C. Sunny.

http://www.ferrari.com/english/formula1/news/headlines/Pages/130205-jerez-test-session-debut-of-the-f138.aspx

Jerez Test Session - Debut of the F138

Maranello, 5 February - First day of testing in 2013 for Scuderia Ferrari, as the F138 made its debut with Felipe Massa at the wheel.

The entire day was given over almost entirely to acquiring data relating to the behaviour of the new car: Felipe completed a total of 64 laps, the quickest in a time of 1.20.536.

Testing continues at this circuit tomorrow, again with the Brazilian driving.

[Forzi]

My imagination, or does the car look more "stuck to the track" than last year? :Hmm

People at the track saying it is. Felipe said the back of the car felt good, which is probably the reason it looks great in the corners.

[OSS EL BOSS]

"The car is much more balanced. I felt a good direction on the rear of the car as well, with traction. This is a track that is very difficult on the rear, degradation is very high. I would say that the difference to last year is huge."

Thats a good sign, poor traction was the main weakness of the F2012.

[OSS EL BOSS]

My imagination, or does the car look more "stuck to the track" than last year? :Hmm

Yes it does but im looking to see how the car behaves at the exit os slow and nedium-speed corners, but Felipe said he felt an improvement with traction.
Seems like the new rear suspension is working well! :thumb

[Tifoso]

Yes it does but im looking to see how the car behaves at the exit os slow and nedium-speed corners, but Felipe said he felt an improvement with traction.
Seems like the new rear suspension is working well! :thumb


Thanks for the response, amico mio :wine

[Rob]

Looks as if F138 has got off on the right foot. All look sgood, nice to hear Felipe comfortable with her straight away the the rear is more planted than last years., All in all a good first day test (shakedown).

[Rob]

http://i50.tinypic.com/29xx3f4.jpg

[Rob]

love the lines and look of our new car :love:love
http://i48.tinypic.com/1zxb6o7.jpg

[qb_marukochan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-ZBWp6KoQs

i found on youtube, i cant see clearly wheter f138 or f2012,

it looked f18, white strip on bottom of the side. f2012 didnt have the white strip , am i wrong?

[Massimo]

http://i50.tinypic.com/29xx3f4.jpg

Hmm... i guess Mercedes' tyre warming issues are over.

[stefa]

Hmm... i guess Mercedes' tyre warming issues are over.

:rotfl good one. Now they will face another problem. Overheating! :-P

[fratelliferrari]

Hotwheels LOL :-G

[stefa]

Regarding first days of first preseason test. For me as long as Ferrari didn't suffer any problems during test it is OK. On top of it FM stated that this car is another planet compared to last years F2012. This is really good thing to read, that driver is really comfortable with the car. It is still long way till first race - 40 days, times on this test I am not looking or judging anything by them. Times will come to play on last test, probably last day of it. Till then let our boys work with new F138 and to fine tune it for season opener in Australia.

[OSS EL BOSS]

i found on youtube, i cant see clearly wheter f138 or f2012,

it looked f18, white strip on bottom of the side. f2012 didnt have the white strip , am i wrong?

Its clearly the F138.

[qb_marukochan]

warning, porn image below...

lol

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r101/kris_whitworth/racepictures_136007566581_zpsa40dcad1.jpg

[Hornet]

warning, porn image below...


That's the smallest rear section I've seen I think. Even the top section curved down into the small transmission section

[number 13]

Our rear is amazing..This car is stunning! :-E

[wisepie]

in general english speaking countrys can't stand Italy

Don't be ridiculous, we adore Italy and Ferrari, whatever gave you that idea? Only Macca and RB fans don't like anything Italian. So there.

[PURE PASSION]

warning, porn image below...

lol

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r101/kris_whitworth/racepictures_136007566581_zpsa40dcad1.jpg

i really don't care what anyone else say,this is the most interesting back end this year!!!

[Grillo]

i really don't care what anyone else say,this is the most interesting back end this year!!!
Agree. I like the rear of the car but the front looks so ugly... :-(

[SilverSpeed]

I'm happy, if Gary A. says the F138 looks well planted then that makes me smiles.

I remember he said the same thing in 2011 of the Red Bull. And we know the horror back then.

[wisepie]

So far, so good and the times are pretty academic at this stage. Felipe seems happy with the balance and that's a good start, plenty more to come, for sure!

[F1NAC]

can't wait to see this car in Barcelona , one of the most demanding aero track in calendar , and in Fernando's hands :)

[scuderiafan]

Agree. I like the rear of the car but the front looks so ugly... :-(

http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Felipe-Massa-Ferrari-Formel-1-Test-Jerez-5-Februar-2013-19-fotoshowImageNew-db1ea6c2-658869.jpg

Good day. Anderson gave me the most encouragement with his comments. he said the F2012 was all wrong, but really likes this car. Again, this might just be words but great to hear and also Felipe being happy was great. hope he continues his form.

IMO, on the track the F138 is best looking car on the grid. It's just :love and the new deeper red :love
Keke might be wrong, but it is good to keep feet on the ground.

Lets hope for more of this.


P.S. Guys, it is fine drawing conclusions from testing for the races, but nobody will draw any major conclusions on the times only. ESPECIALLY on the first day, when laps done is the main thing.
The first day of testing means nothing and using those times for making a pecking order is like using the opening credits of a film to judge how good it is.

McLaren went for it after not getting much running. They were fast, but it was a relatively low fuel run.

[Tifoso]

Hmm... i guess Mercedes' tyre warming issues are over.

LOL :rotfl

[tifosi1993]

http://imageshack.us/a/img13/9448/racepictures13600756658.jpg (http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2013-02-05/racepictures_1360075665.81.jpg)http://imageshack.us/a/img203/2487/racepictures13600756633.jpg (http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2013-02-05/racepictures_1360075663.36.jpg)http://imageshack.us/a/img692/2609/racepictures13600756661.jpg (http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2013-02-05/racepictures_1360075666.14.jpg)http://imageshack.us/a/img692/4451/racepictures13600756685.jpg (http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2013-02-05/racepictures_1360075668.52.jpg)http://imageshack.us/a/img534/169/racepictures13600787516.jpg (http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2013-02-05/racepictures_1360078751.69.jpg)

[Tifoso]

in general english speaking countrys can't stand Italy

That's simply not true. :-)

[FerrariFanBoii]

I'm not a fan of the new red on the F138, I mean sometimes you can't tell it's new, but in other shots you can, makes it interesting I guess.

But don't get me wrong, I think the F138 will be great, I wasn't saying it was terrible with my post earlier, I was merely stating about FP stuff and what people said, sorry If I sounded anti F138!

[fratelliferrari]

Can anyone tell me where I can find Hires pics of the F138?! I need a new background for my computer and the car is so beautiful to have as a background!

[FranksterGM]

That's simply not true. :-)

Try Aus
they are good little colonials.

[Grillo]

Any truth to the rumours that the Ferrari was designed in Toyota's second, older, wind tunnel as the newer one was being used only by McLaren?
Can that be possible?

Any news on the matter?

[Grillo]

Good day. Anderson gave me the most encouragement with his comments. he said the F2012 was all wrong, but really likes this car. Again, this might just be words but great to hear and also Felipe being happy was great. hope he continues his form.

IMO, on the track the F138 is best looking car on the grid. It's just :love and the new deeper red :love
Keke might be wrong, but it is good to keep feet on the ground.

Lets hope for more of this.


P.S. Guys, it is fine drawing conclusions from testing for the races, but nobody will draw any major conclusions on the times only. ESPECIALLY on the first day, when laps done is the main thing.
The first day of testing means nothing and using those times for making a pecking order is like using the opening credits of a film to judge how good it is.

McLaren went for it after not getting much running. They were fast, but it was a relatively low fuel run.

I agree it's nicer on track and the car's a very good looking on that picture but the front between the FW and the cockpit is so squared that I won't get used to it.

5109

Good news that Massa said it feels like night and day compared to the F2012. Times don't matter at all on 1st day testing but feeling is more important. Hopefully we can get positive conclusions about times sheet in a couple of weeks at Barcelona.

[scuderiafan]

Generally I don't like to read much into the first day of testing, but the tone from the team and track observers seems to be much more positive than it was last year which is definitely a good sign....

Any truth to the rumours that the Ferrari was designed in Toyota's second, older, wind tunnel as the newer one was being used only by McLaren?

Its true, i think. But there is no difference between them despite their age.
I guess McLaren got there first and first come first serve.

[Rob]

Its true, i think. But there is no difference between them despite their age.
I guess McLaren got there first and first come first serve.

Could be wrong, but i think Mclaren pay for the right. As i said before about the 2nd tunnel we use, there is nothing wrong with it. Just take look at the Toyota TS030, that was quick and had good gave Audi run for their money at D/F tracks and beat them.

[Forzi]

Was worried the car woudn't look as good on track with the bulky nose, but it looks brilliant (removed the pole):
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr68/cekalas/013_zps18125317.jpg
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr68/cekalas/racepictures_1360063401_zpsa70d9fdc.jpg

[Tony]

Its true, i think. But there is no difference between them despite their age.
I guess McLaren got there first and first come first serve.

Hopefully the 1st tunnel doesn't yield better results or Ferrari may constantly be one step behind McLaren lol... should be an interesting season!

[justjesper]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5962/jerezmassaf138box.jpg

Thanks for sharing.

I was wondering who Ferrari hired to design the clothes. :lol Not the best design. All the Team members now looks like they need to loose 20 pounds.

[Alonsomaniac]

Interesting day, and reading Felipes comments on the car makes it a satisfying day too.
I feel happy with this car, it looks like the boys have finally a car again they really play the game with.

[Tifoso]

Interesting day, and reading Felipes comments on the car makes it a satisfying day too.
I feel happy with this car, it looks like the boys have finally a car again they really play the game with.
I sure hope so. Alonso worked magic with F2012. Imagine what he could do with a truly good car. :love

[type056]

Massa described Button's pace-setting lap as "an incredible time" but indicated he felt he could have comfortably matched anyone else's laps if necessary.

What a enjoyable comment.

[Tifoso]

Massa described Button's pace-setting lap as "an incredible time" but indicated he felt he could have comfortably matched anyone else's laps if necessary.

What a enjoyable comment.

Yup. Meaning with a little strain he could beat 'em. :-)

[Massimo]

Massa described Button's pace-setting lap as "an incredible time" but indicated he felt he could have comfortably matched anyone else's laps if necessary.

What a enjoyable comment.

Yeah, but it's all useless, according to some, we're 1.6 sec. slower and doomed, well if "our"1.6 sec. means we have no chance, than Red Bull is a second slower, and that great Sauber is almost 2 sec. off the pace, so congratulations to McLaren!

«sarcasm modus off»

[OSS EL BOSS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECmyrFjsyXY

[bluesilhouettes]

ALL’S WELL THAT BEGINS WELL. and
All's Well That Ends Well. :-s

[OSS EL BOSS]

Grosjean going off track:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3iSlMdWlqw

[Tifoso]

Grosjean going off track:



Big John off track? That never happens. :Hmm

[OSS EL BOSS]

Big John off track? That never happens. :Hmm

I think he was only testing how the car runs on sand :-D

[Tony]

First chance to see some pics of the car since the links are blocked at work and wow, that car is beautiful.... well.... except for the nose lol....

[OSS EL BOSS]

F138:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z3xCPvAYtc

RB9:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj2fJ0D8_u8

[bluesilhouettes]

these 2 cars look similar.

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17452.jpg

[Hornet]

Hopefully the 1st tunnel doesn't yield better results or Ferrari may constantly be one step behind McLaren lol... should be an interesting season!
I wouldn't be too worried about that.
Accurate tool always helps, but they aren't going to design themself. At the moment, it seems Ferrari is taking the lead in coming up with new design. Red Bull hasn't shown anything new this year, while McLaren's new is Ferrari's last year idea :-G

[Sha1]

This car is a beast. That is one tight rear end.

[Katu]

First chance to see some pics of the car since the links are blocked at work and wow, that car is beautiful.... well.... except for the nose lol....

you like it less than last year's?

[tifosi1993]

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1327/53320583.jpg

(from f1technical.net (http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=14597&start=255))

[Kingdom Hearts]

I'm really happy with the initial impressions about the car, can't wait to see it evolve in the coming weeks!.

[anialonso]

Great Job By Ferrari for Day One..
Hope now we continue to gain knowedge and start extracting performance..
:clap:clap

[Rishu]

Felipe Massa says Ferrari is on a 'different planet' compared to the difficult situation it found itself in during pre-season Formula 1 testing last year


If Alonso manages to stay on the same planet as last year, he could be menacing :-)

[bkircher]

Its interesting after watching those videos from a few posts above, that the red bull and lotus both have very distinctive off throttle engine manipulation sounds going on, where as ours sounds clean as a whistle.

[DJTaurus]

Also impressive rear from red fools

http://cdn-1.motorsport.com/static/img/mgl/1500000/1500000/1508000/1508900/1508951/s1_1.jpg

[Hornet]

Red Bull too looks like they've squeeze their rear section

[killer]

Red Bull too looks like they've squeeze their rear section

Lunch lady fired soon after.

:lou

[medeni73]

Jerez Day 2

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ferr-mass-jere-2013-1.jpg

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ferr-mass-jere-2013-2.jpg

[tifosi1993]

http://imageshack.us/a/img819/7403/ferrmassjere20131.jpg (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ferr-mass-jere-2013-1.jpg)

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5544/ferrmassjere20132.jpg (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ferr-mass-jere-2013-2.jpg)

[NasI]

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1327/53320583.jpg

(from f1technical.net (http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=14597&start=255))

Man what they have done there!

[Rosso Corsa]

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1327/53320583.jpg

(from f1technical.net (http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=14597&start=255))

So, somewhere in there is a 2.4L V8 engine, a starter motor, a clutch, a fuel cell, oil tank, KERS unit and batteries, exhausts, radiators, pumps, coolant reservoirs, filters, piping, cables, suspension units, sensors, crash structure, chassis, rigidity beams, and no doubt many things I've missed. 1 question. What the hell?

[stefa]

Does anyone have picture similar to above one from F2012? Just for the sake of comparativeness.
Thank you

[number 13]

Does anyone have picture similar to above one from F2012? Just for the sake of comparativeness.
Thank you

That's the best i could find in comparison with the picture above.

http://i48.tinypic.com/x4nodi.jpg

[stefa]

That's the best i could fine in comparison with the picture above.

http://i48.tinypic.com/x4nodi.jpg

Thank you. Not so narrow and slim like on F138.

[alex1s]

What I don't understand is why our testing program is different than everybody else's who are posting fast times.?
I am not panicking, I just would like to also see fast times while our team does all those tests you talk about.

Come on, 10 laps and our best time is 1:39

[anialonso]

What I don't understand is why our testing program is different than everybody else's who are posting fast times.?
I am not panicking, I just would like to also see fast times while our team does all those tests you talk about.

Come on, 10 laps and our best time is 1:39

Every team has its own programme to carry out..It seems Ferrari are doing some work which holds Massa in the garage..
When they feel that they should push for some time,they will certainly do so..

[Schumyboy83]

Not much running, Any problems???

[medeni73]

meanwhile Mercs keeps us all entertained, Hamilton crashed...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/MG_5656-886x590.jpg

[Hermann]

Premiere for Hamilton: first wrecked car.

http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1360144333.jpg

[Hornet]

What I don't understand is why our testing program is different than everybody else's who are posting fast times.?
I am not panicking, I just would like to also see fast times while our team does all those tests you talk about.

Come on, 10 laps and our best time is 1:39

Massa had an aero rake attached to the back of the sidepod as we can see in the pictures posted here earlier. It shows that Ferrari is gathering aero data, maybe that's the program today, to gather aero data. To gather aero data, its done at slow constant speed hence the lap time Massa set being 20 seconds slower. It shows that those lap are use for aero work only.

[PURE PASSION]

What I don't understand is why our testing program is different than everybody else's who are posting fast times.?
I am not panicking, I just would like to also see fast times while our team does all those tests you talk about.

Come on, 10 laps and our best time is 1:39
Even if we are last I don't care at all!!!all I want is P1 on the first ( and the rest) gp!!
Don't forget 2011, we where the fastest together with Rb and then what happen??

[Massimo]

How much points for P1 today? oh wait.....:Hmm

[fronaldo]

massa finally out

[alex1s]

How much points for P1 today? oh wait.....:Hmm

You guys must admit. There are is two ways in reading the tests. one is the way Massimo is reading them and the other is the way I read them.
Hornet have you wondered why the other teams aren't doing aero tests? is it maybe because they are okay with their aero package and we are not?
We have been doing the same program yesterday have we not?

I am just a worried Ferrari Fan who is desperate to win the Red Bulls and win the championship. 5 years is enough of a wait.

[diesel08]

It seems that Mclaren is quick. F138 hide performance and have their own programme. Will see in Barcelona.

[anialonso]

Lotus looks damn quick....!!!!!!!!!!
i think we will see some fast times from Ferrari tomorrow..
lets also not forget the fact that the launch model is 3 months older than the wind-tunel model so we might have to wait till the last test to see the actual performance of our beast..

[Grinsomx]

2nd day of pre-season testing and we have lost both titles ? when did that happen?

[Hornet]

You guys must admit. There are is two ways in reading the tests. one is the way Massimo is reading them and the other is the way I read them.
Hornet have you wondered why the other teams aren't doing aero tests? is it maybe because they are okay with their aero package and we are not?
We have been doing the same program yesterday have we not?

I am just a worried Ferrari Fan who is desperate to win the Red Bulls and win the championship. 5 years is enough of a wait.

From what I can recall, yesterday Red Bull used their aero rake to gather data, from what we can see from the pictures, while Ferrari didn't. We don't know what Ferrari tested yesterday. Massa did comment on the tires degraded, so maybe Ferrari was testing the tires yesterday.

The thing is, everyone have a different program. For example, Red Bull program may be day 1-aero work for front wing, day 2-tire work, day-3 balance and setup... while Ferrari may be doing day-1 tire testing, day-2 aero work, day-3 setup. It doesn't make any difference who did what.

[EL_NANDO]

Only took 15 laps for the first "Ramilton special" of the season :clap

[medeni73]

only thing that might be worrying is that overheating problem...I hope they are sorting it out at the moment...

[stefa]

Lotus looks damn quick....!!!!!!!!!!
i think we will see some fast times from Ferrari tomorrow..
lets also not forget the fact that the launch model is 3 months older than the wind-tunel model so we might have to wait till the last test to see the actual performance of our beast..

I didn't get this between launch model and wind tunnel model. Can someone explain that to me?

Thank you

[Super M]

2nd day of pre-season testing and we have lost both titles ? when did that happen?


Yip......We now want to win the title for the slowest car in practise......At least its a title never the less.......:thanks

[radosav]

2nd day of pre-season testing and we have lost both titles ? when did that happen?

Yesterday!

[fratelliferrari]

It's always nice to see Hamilton in a wrecked car :-P

[medeni73]

I didn't get this between launch model and wind tunnel model. Can someone explain that to me?

Thank you
Actual car is 3 months older than a car on paper (in tunnel), meaning all updated and changed bits and pieces in last 3 months are not yet "attached" to actual car on track...

[Jacquesvw]

So, somewhere in there is a 2.4L V8 engine, a starter motor, a clutch, a fuel cell, oil tank, KERS unit and batteries, exhausts, radiators, pumps, coolant reservoirs, filters, piping, cables, suspension units, sensors, crash structure, chassis, rigidity beams, and no doubt many things I've missed. 1 question. What the hell?

No, there's no starter motor in there.

[medeni73]

Massa out, in full testing speed, meaning 30 seconds off the best time :)
It is very important to find out how will Ferrari comment on this day that is obviously meant for aerodynamical testing, meaning correlation thingie...If they're satisfied thats a good thing then :)

[radosav]

I didn't get this between launch model and wind tunnel model. Can someone explain that to me?

Thank you

Fry said that launch car is behind the car they have right now in wind-tunnel .It takes time to produce updates! They will be tested during last practise session in Barcelona. That's how I understand it!

[stefa]

Actual car is 3 months older than a car on paper (in tunnel), meaning all updated and changed bits and pieces in last 3 months are not yet "attached" to actual car on track...

So, meaning this F138 is like a interim car until they put all new bits and peaces for, shall we call it F138b?

[medeni73]

well it better NOT be an interim car cos that would mean whole design concept is faulty, but yes many thins will change in FW, RW, exhaust and sidepod area...

[Hermann]

Another season of déjà vu has only just begun. 'Its only testing', 'different programme', B-car'....:lol

[Dino]

Massa out, in full testing speed, meaning 30 seconds off the best time :)
It is very important to find out how will Ferrari comment on this day that is obviously meant for aerodynamical testing, meaning correlation thingie...If they're satisfied thats a good thing then :)

10:27 Nico Hulkenberg and Felipe Massa are the only two men currently out on track. The Ferrari man is on full test mode, coming down the straight at half chat. Unsurprisingly his best is some 20s off the outright pace.

It is so obvious that Ferrari are testing different areas on the car at constant speeds and most probably the data is going directly to the Wind tunnel and Maranello.;-)THIS IS NOT OUR REAL RACE CAR.

[medeni73]

then come in 36 days 14 hours and 47 minutes again to forum and you will be on a right track then :)

[F2002]

It's not an interim car, and there is no b-spec.

It simply means that there is already 3 months' worth of work being evaluated in the wind tunnel. How long will this effectively take to be evaluated and fitted on the car we don't know, but we certainly cannot complain as it is clear that they are very actively developing this car already, and know where they want to go with it.

The good news is that there won't be any surprises between the results achieved in the wind tunnel and reality (Cologne does not have any correlation problems from what we know), so let's leave the technical guys to work in peace, whilst the drivers start to provide valuable data about the new car.

[Super M]

I'm wondering to myself if there's a chance we can start A new thread and call it " ALL NEGATIVE COMMENTS FOR OUR F138, POST HERE!! "

This is getting increasingly frustrating to read what i term as "DRIVEL".......can some of you guys keep calm and let FERRARI do what is best.....and not chirp insignificant and meaningless assumptions that our car is already a failure!!!......Sheees........you could swear we have Ferrari engineers on here!.............:ouch:furious

[alex1s]

okay okay its just testing, got it.

I just want our testing to be faster :thumb

[gvera]

Fry said that launch car is behind the car they have right now in wind-tunnel .It takes time to produce updates! They will be tested during last practise session in Barcelona. That's how I understand it!

But that's true for all the other teams too, I don't think Newey just designed the RB as launched and went fishing afterwards.
All the cars will be updated before Melbourne, it's naive to beleive that Ferrari's update WILL be bigger than the others, specially RB and Macca.
It can be and I hope it will be but I wan't to see it see before beleiveing.

[Massimo]

From what I can recall, yesterday Red Bull used their aero rake to gather data, from what we can see from the pictures, while Ferrari didn't. We don't know what Ferrari tested yesterday. Massa did comment on the tires degraded, so maybe Ferrari was testing the tires yesterday.

The thing is, everyone have a different program. For example, Red Bull program may be day 1-aero work for front wing, day 2-tire work, day-3 balance and setup... while Ferrari may be doing day-1 tire testing, day-2 aero work, day-3 setup. It doesn't make any difference who did what.

11:30 - La Ferrari sta lavorando sulla posizione degli scarichi. Questo spiegherebbe anche il lungo intervento ai box. Continuano ancora i test a velocità costante per la Ferrari per la comparazione dei dati
(Italian media in Jerez).

Translation:"Ferrari is trying different exhaust positions, this explains the long stop at the box. And continue with tests at constant speed for data comparison.