Indian GP 2013 : Qualifying Thread

[Katu]

Let's go then

[Katu]

funny to see how easy Fernando looks, not like he has to jump in car and do some fast laps soon

[fratelliferrari]

Forza Ferrari :ferrarifl

[fratelliferrari]

funny to see how easy Fernando looks, not like he has to jump in car and do some fast laps soon

Yes indeed but probably also because there isn't much pressure on him anymore sadly :-s

[tifosi1993]

:ferrarifl

[stefa]

FA out on YELLOW

[fratelliferrari]

FA out on YELLOW

What's the reason to do that?

[Greig]

Good decision by Ferrari.

[stefa]

and MW is also on YELLOW

[stefa]

SV on WHITE

[stefa]

SV is just 0,009 slower than FA on WHITE tires

[gjoko-mkd]

Why we(Alonso) are on the soft tyres?Problem with the medium or something else?

[Greig]

Why we(Alonso) are on the soft tyres?Problem with the medium or something else?

Soft is hopeless for the race, so no point saving them. Start the race on the medium.

[fratelliferrari]

SV is just 0,009 slower than FA on WHITE tires

Yes I saw that too, Ouch :-s

[fratelliferrari]

Soft is hopeless for the race, so no point saving them. Start the race on the medium.

Yes, but why didn't they do the same with Felipe?

[stefa]

Soft it hopeless for the race, so no point saving them.

They'll last for just 5 laps... So as you said no point for saving them. Even just after one lap destroying of tires has begun.

[stefa]

Yes, but why didn't they do the same with Felipe?

Maybe just to compare laps...

[stefa]

What a mistake from Lotus! RG out in Q1!

[rico]

Is there a link guys?

[tifosi1993]

Top to bottom separated by only 2.5 seconds. (top 16 by 6 tenths) :-E

[fratelliferrari]

What a mistake from Lotus! RG out in Q1!

Yes indeed very painful for him. He was driving very good the last couple of races so he will be very mad.

[fratelliferrari]

Is there a link guys?

Here you go rico http://www.viponlinesports.eu/motorsports/159693/1/f1-grand-prix-airtel-indian-grand-prix,noida---qualifying-live-stream-online.html

[Katu]

get ready to see some start action then, RG and backmarkers.. sometimes i still hope old crashjean visits us again

[tifosi1993]

What a mistake from Lotus! RG out in Q1!

Result of overconfidence.

[Rob]

Problem on Fernandos car?

[stefa]

Yes indeed very painful for him. He was driving very good the last couple of races so he will be very mad.

If I would be him I would be furious!
I wonder if driver has something to say when it comes to tactic. How come he didn't said to the team, hey guys I'll be out if we don't go out again?

[rico]

Here you go rico http://www.viponlinesports.eu/motorsports/159693/1/f1-grand-prix-airtel-indian-grand-prix,noida---qualifying-live-stream-online.html
thank you very much :-)

[Katu]

god, grosjean looks almost thinner than i do...

[Rishu]

What's up with Alonso's garage? Everybody look concerned.

[Kyss4k]

Look at Jules! Wonderful lap.

[Rob]

Scuderia Ferrari ‏@InsideFerrari 43s
#INDGP Some issues on the radio system on ALO's car - Qualche problema sul sistema radio sulla vettura di ALO

[stefa]

Problem on Fernandos car?

Problem with the radio in his car

[fratelliferrari]

Problem on Fernandos car?

Fernando looked very angry and he was speaking very loud as well! Anyone knows what the problem was?

[Kyss4k]

If I would be him I would be furious!
I wonder if driver has something to say when it comes to tactic. How come he didn't said to the team, hey guys I'll be out if we don't go out again?

Of course he has.

[fratelliferrari]

Problem with the radio in his car

Thank you, now I know what was going on there :-D

[tifosi1993]

What's up with Alonso's garage? Everybody look concerned.

Nothing serious. Some radio system issues.

[stefa]

Of course he has.

So... It was also partly his mistake

[tifosi1993]

Alonso 1.25:546 on used softs.

[FerrariFanBoii]

He can't hear the beep when he has to change gear. That's what the issue is, but he's a pro driver and doesn't need that beep!!

[gjoko-mkd]

Are you sure that tyres are used?

[Katu]

Look at Jules! Wonderful lap.

he is talented guy

[stefa]

FA lap was pretty good one!

[stefa]

Was it on new or used tires?

[tifosi1993]

Alonso 1:24.885 on new soft.

[stefa]

Alonso 1:24.885 on new soft.

Last part of your sentence explains it all. Thank you :-)

[Kyss4k]

he is talented guy

Sure is. I am so looking forward to see what he can achieve in the future.

[fratelliferrari]

Sure is. I am so looking forward to see what he can achieve in the future.

Me too would really like to see him at Ferrari in the future, as a product of the Ferrari Academy :-D

[radosav]

Lot of cars driving off track with all four wheels!

[stefa]

Air is polluted...

[tifosi1993]

Scuderia Ferrari ‏@InsideFerrari (https://twitter.com/InsideFerrari)

#INDGP Tyre choice now will be very important for race strategy

[stefa]

MW on WHITE

[stefa]

FA also!

[stefa]

SV on YELLOW

[Rishu]

Alonso's times on softs weren't bad..

[bonzo]

Alonso starting on harder tires tomorrow?

[Kyss4k]

They are ridicuous at Sky... They are making it look like Alonso was racing only in time when the current point system existed...

[stefa]

There are couple of corners where all drivers are with all 4 wheels off the track!

[fratelliferrari]

Felipe only one run I guess?

[F2002]

Alonso starting on harder tires tomorrow?

Yes, good move me thinks.

[stefa]

MW again on WHITE ones

[fratelliferrari]

Felipe P5, but on which tire?

[Kyss4k]

Alonso could have started 2nd on softs... Now he is stuck in 8th. What are they smoking in his garage?

[stefa]

Yes, good move me thinks.

Don't think that is good! Softs last just couple of laps so it is better to use them at the begging of the race, not later, when everyone else will be on HARD and that will be Canada all over again for us!

[wacc]

Fernandos second run was a waste of tires.

[tifosi1993]

Alonso P8 (prime tyres), Massa P5 (option tyres)

[stefa]

Alonso could have started 2nd on softs... Now he is stuck in 8th. What are they smoking in his garage?

As Ferrari is helping Mercedes to overtake them in CWC standings?!?!?!?

[F2002]

If there is a difference of one second between white and yellow, Alonso is effectively third.

[FerrariFanBoii]

Vettel went off the track 3 times?! All 4 tyres off the track, this is a joke.

[Kyss4k]

This is in no way a good strategy. Webber is on the same tyre and he is 4th, se Alonso is not even the best of the ones starting on mediums.

[rico]

Alonso could have started 2nd on softs... Now he is stuck in 8th. What are they smoking in his garage?

That's what I was thinking. If he had impoved by a tenth from his q2 lap he would be second. :Hmm

[wacc]

Alonso could have started 2nd on softs... Now he is stuck in 8th. What are they smoking in his garage?

They havent been closer to first row for a long time, so they changed to other strategy. :-P

[F2002]

Alonso could have started 2nd on softs... Now he is stuck in 8th. What are they smoking in his garage?

Third, behind Webber (on soft)

[stefa]

Vettel went off the track 3 times?! All 4 tyres off the track, this is a joke.

FA and majority of others are doing it also!

[F2002]

Don't think that is good! Softs last just couple of laps so it is better to use them at the begging of the race, not later, when everyone else will be on HARD and that will be Canada all over again for us!

We are traditionally better on long runs, might as well try.

There is nothing to lose.

[FerrariFanBoii]

FA and majority of others are doing it also!

NO ONE, should be allowed to do it.

[stefa]

Strange tactic by Ferrari, and I don't see how it could pay back

[Hornet]

A very strange strategy considering Alonso's pace on the soft in Q2.

[F2002]

Fernandos second run was a waste of tires.

True.

[stefa]

NO ONE, should be allowed to do it.

Off course...

[Kyss4k]

If there is a difference of one second between white and yellow, Alonso is effectively third.

He would have been 2nd. All it would take would be to improve by 0.014s from his Q2 lap... Great job guys, you really are the masterminds.

[Rishu]

Fernando could have started row 2 on softs. I am not sure about this strategy. We seem to pit more or less same time as front runners whenever we have tried this strategy.

[Ste]

What is it with Alonso and Q3. Never improves on his first lap.

Looking great in Q2 on the softs, quicker than Webber who's using all the run off as extra race track and then gets nowhere in Q3. Webber 8 tenths ahead on the same tyres - hard to believe.

[rico]

Fernando could have started row 2 on softs. I am not sure about this strategy. We seem to pit more or less same time as front runners whenever we have tried this strategy.

Practically he could be in row 1 behind vettel on softs. We 'll see tomorrow how it unfolds but I think we took the wrong strategy. Fernando could challenge vettel in the first corner with a good start.

[FerrariFanBoii]

What the hell... You cut a corner, you're blatantly gaining an advantage?! You're not even attempting the corner, you just go over it... Something seriously needs to be done.

[radosav]

He would have been 2nd. All it would take would be to improve by 0.014s from his Q2 lap... Great job guys, you really are the masterminds.

Maybe Red Bull can afford to use Soft in first stint ,but we can't !

[bonzo]

Seb will build at least 10sec lead before changing tires tomorrow. Webber will cover Alonso so that he has no chance to win and Seb will be the WDC easy.

[Kyss4k]

Maybe Red Bull can afford to use Soft in first stint ,but we can't !

We were way way better on softs (didn't punnish them so much) then them. This doesn't make any sense. They just ***** it up badly. Once again.

[mark p]

Should go for position they are racing merc and looked faster in a straight fight so why do opposite strategy you only risk messing it up. i can understand if merc were quicker but they were not. in the past we have had similar issuesthat soft tyre will not work and come the race the alternate strategy does not work look at vettel in china. shame but will see tommorrow.

[F2008]

Nothing wrong with trying a different strategy at this stage, but they should commit to it and not make a 2nd run.

[bonzo]

Practically he could be in row 1 behind vettel on softs. We 'll see tomorrow how it unfolds but I think we took the wrong strategy. Fernando could challenge vettel in the first corner with a good start.

So what after the first corner?

[Ste]

Agree that this cutting the track thing is ridiculous. Even Alonso has started doing it slightly now but Webber and Rosberg and taking the .

How on earth does Charlie Whiting think you don't gain an advantage? It's utter rubbish. Webber was all four wheels off the circuit four times alone in the middle sector at one stage and did the fastest middle sector of all.

[F2002]

Strange tactic by Ferrari, and I don't see how it could pay back

The times in FP3 looked reasonable for Fernando on the softs, whilst Vettel destroyed his after 3 laps.

Hopefully the boys in the garage crunched the numbers well and know that, with a good start, Alonso can plan a good race. Don't forget that he can always switch to yellow after the first stint.

At least we have a question mark to look forward to in the morning, unlike the last few races, where I struggled to wake up in the morning to watch them.

[Kyss4k]

Should go for position they are racing merc and looked faster in a straight fight so why do opposite strategy you only risk messing it up. i can understand if merc were quicker but they were not. in the past we have had similar issuesthat soft tyre will not work and come the race the alternate strategy does not work look at vettel in china. shame but will see tommorrow.

Yep. We had the best qualifying speed since... I don't even know since when and they decide to do this.

[Kingdom Hearts]

I like that the team has the balls to go with different strategies. Let's hope it goes good, but I guess it could go wrong for one of our drivers.

[hrc5555]

I think the strategy is good. Remember guys, our target is Mercedes and Lotus!
Anyone knows top speed of first 10??

[Axelsson]

F1PitRadio ‏@F1PitRadio

So, Lewis, just to confirm, it was a RedBull in the way, it was Vettel, not Webber?" Lewis, "Yeah, it was him" Re:"Ok, we'll have a look"

[FerrariFanBoii]

Agree that this cutting the track thing is ridiculous. Even Alonso has started doing it slightly now but Webber and Rosberg and taking the .

How on earth does Charlie Whiting think you don't gain an advantage? It's utter rubbish. Webber was all four wheels off the circuit four times alone in the middle sector at one stage and did the fastest middle sector of all.

It's madness, you don't have to slow down fully for the corner... You just go over it, at a faster speed than you would be, what's the point in corners eh? If drivers don't even have to do them

[Rob]

Agree that this cutting the track thing is ridiculous. Even Alonso has started doing it slightly now but Webber and Rosberg and taking the .

How on earth does Charlie Whiting think you don't gain an advantage? It's utter rubbish. Webber was all four wheels off the circuit four times alone in the middle sector at one stage and did the fastest middle sector of all.

Its a joke, if there was barriers or grass there they wouldnt do it. Also, what is getting my back up is, FIA now helps run the WEC, and rules. Yet in Spa, Silverstone this year drivers AND teams were being cautioned and i think 1 team got a penalty for running all 4 wheels of the track.

[yz2006]

i think we aim for victorty this weekend - it may sound a like a joke, but our race pace is not too bad compared to bulls and we all know that Vettel will come in early in the first stint and potentially got held up by the traffic (car beyond 10 places probably will favor starting on prime). Is Vettel able to earn a gap (15-20 secs) before the first stint? if we know our race pace is not bad, we can afford taking a 4th row because overtaking is relatively easier on this track. if we try a similar strategy to Vettel, the maximun we can get is the podium finish. finger crossed for another epic race tomorrow

[Italian Spirit]

:-E Annus horribilis
...........or
Annus ridiculum? :oops

[FerrariFanBoii]

Its a joke, if there was barriers or grass there they wouldnt do it. Also, what is getting my back up is, FIA now helps run the WEC, and rules. Yet in Spa, Silverstone this year drivers AND teams were being cautioned and i think 1 team got a penalty for running all 4 wheels of the track.

You get an advantage if you do it In the race, and a penalty... So why should you be allowed to do it in Quali?! It's so annoying!

[radosav]

We were way way better on softs (didn't punnish them so much) then them. This doesn't make any sense. They just ***** it up badly. Once again.

But red bull is better on medium tyres, if we don't use soft tyres for max possible laps we are on the limit with medium tyres too!

[ManFromMilan]

I think the harder tyre first is an awesome strategy by Ferrari. Who knows behind who the Merc will stay after their first pitstop, who knows how quick after the start of the GP their first stop is going to be?

Considering everything, Mark and Fernando probably have the better chance to leapfrog those in front of them in the race.

Just a shame that Tilke is not smart enough to design his tracks so that racing will actually happen on the track.

[wacc]

Fernando can not beat Vettel even with this strategy. I am sure fans would rather see him taking P2 and team memebers would want to see that too.
They are taking strange decision at strange moments.

[yz2006]

this strategy is a make or break (considering the risk of starting at 8th place when we are into first corner).

[yz2006]

at least, it offers a chance..no matter how slim it is

[Rob]

I think the harder tyre first is an awesome strategy by Ferrari. Who knows behind who the Merc will stay after their first pitstop, who knows how quick after the start of the GP their first stop is going to be?

Considering everything, Mark and Fernando probably have the better chance to leapfrog those in front of them in the race.

Just a shame that Tilke is not smart enough to design his tracks so that racing will actually happen on the track.

:thumb on the Tilke tracks.

We do stand good chance with Fernando, good strategy call. But we saw split tyre startegy in Barcelona, and people who started on softs were the runs rewarded in the race. Lets hope that doesnt apply tomorrow. Felipe could/can get good start, and hope he can get up with Mercs and hope Vettel and spoil them for few laps.

[Greig]

We were way way better on softs (didn't punnish them so much) then them. This doesn't make any sense. They just ***** it up badly. Once again.

We run the race to our best, not what Red Bull do. I have no idea how you can decide it is wrong considering how little data and info you actually have compared to the team?

[tifosi1993]

IMHO this is a good strategy. Almost everyone outside top10 will start with mediums tomorrow, so you'd get into heavy traffic pretty soon. Without any first corner/lap incident and with a good start (which both Ferraries usually does), he is in a decent place to fight for podium.

[Greig]

Fernando can not beat Vettel even with this strategy. I am sure fans would rather see him taking P2 and team memebers would want to see that too.
They are taking strange decision at strange moments.

He could not beat Vettel with any strategy, what's the point in starting P2 to fall down? You think Alonso has not taken this decision with his engineers?

[ManFromMilan]

We run the race to our best, not what Red Bull do. I have no idea how you can decide it is wrong considering how little data and info you actually have compared to the team?



So true.

Mark is known to sometimes drive the life early out of his tyres in a race. That could give Fernando the chance to pass if the Ferrari is holding up better.

We only have to wait and see tomorrow

[hrc5555]

Anyone knows top speed of first 10?

[tifosi1993]

Anyone knows top speed of first 10?

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1393/snhq.jpg

[hrc5555]

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1393/snhq.jpg

This is not good!
Alonso must take Hulkenberg at start...

[wacc]

He could not beat Vettel with any strategy, what's the point in starting P2 to fall down? You think Alonso has not taken this decision with his engineers?

How would he fall down? Why? He was the best of the rest this time, which has not been the case for some long time. He had very good chance to beat Mercs and Lotus on the same strategy. Starting from first row could motivate the team.
Hope, they can make a strong race with this strategy tomorrow.

[Kyss4k]

We run the race to our best, not what Red Bull do. I have no idea how you can decide it is wrong considering how little data and info you actually have compared to the team?

Simple logic. We could have started 2nd! Easily. Now we are stuck almost in midfield. If we were 1st on mediums, it would be kinda ok, but we are not. So while Alonso could lead the race after turn 1 or after the first long straight thanks to his magnificent starts and to try to keep Seb behind with our better tyre management, we won't see any of that and we will not have even a chance to get to the 1st place, because Webber is 4 places ahead of us, so there is a really little chance to jump him. Ugh, long sentece.

[Kyss4k]

He could not beat Vettel with any strategy, what's the point in starting P2 to fall down? You think Alonso has not taken this decision with his engineers?

Fall down? Thanks to who? Mercedes? It looks we are faster. Lotus? The faster one is at 17.

[Senna4Ever]

Starting from first row could motivate the team.


Motivate exactly for what? Being 0.7 behind Vettel and only 0.2 in front of Webber who is on the harder tire?
The best motivation is to have a good result in the end and be on the podium ...

I do really think that they had very good reason for going that way ...

Maybe it is the best opportunity for bringing Felipe on the podium if strategy for Alonso fails ... so let see it as chance for Felipe also ...

[hrc5555]

Simple logic. We could have started 2nd! Easily. Now we are stuck almost in midfield. If we were 1st on mediums, it would be kinda ok, but we are not. So while Alonso could lead the race after turn 1 or after the first long straight thanks to his magnificent starts and to try to keep Seb behind with our better tyre management, we won't see any of that and we will not have even a chance to get to the 1st place, because Webber is 4 places ahead of us, so there is a really little chance to jump him. Ugh, long sentece.

We are not racing Vettel, but rosberg, hamilton and raikkonen. This is good strategy!

[Kyss4k]

We are not racing Vettel, but rosberg, hamilton and raikkonen. This is good strategy!

We are not. But the higher you can end up, the better even in the Merc fight. And Starting from the front row with a possibility of leading the race doesn't seem so bad for a start.

[radosav]

When is race tomorrow ? I am in Croatia, between Serbia and Italy, and tonight we are going to winter time switch, so i have no clue when will race start ! I will try to follow MotoGP race too, if get the time right!

[hrc5555]

When is race tomorrow ? I am in Croatia, between Serbia and Italy, and tonight we are going to winter time switch, so i have no clue when will race start ! I will try to follow MotoGP race too, if get the time right!

Utrka počinje sutra u 10:30h. :-)

[radosav]

Utrka počinje sutra u 10:30h. :-)

OK!

[Alessandra]

Couldn't watch.
Can somone please tell me what tyres KR, Hulk, Perez, Button & Ricciado are starting on.

[redsteph]

Kimi is on soft. Jenson is on hard. can't remember the rest but top 3 are soft Webber is hard. massa soft Alonso hard

[Alessandra]

Kimi is on soft. Jenson is on hard. can't remember the rest but top 3 are soft Webber is hard. massa soft Alonso hard


Thanks:-)

[Gerhard Berger]

Would have made more sense to put Massa on the mediums and Alonso on the softs. We would then be P2/3 and P8.

Anyway we saw in China with Vettel and Germany with Alonso that this kind of strategy does not really give much of an advantage.

[Alessandra]

Vettel’s qualifying time was outrageous – on softs.
Apart from Webber, who also has the fastest car, Fernando is second of all the drivers on mediums. This doesn’t strike me, in theory, as being a catastrophy.
Of those between SV and FA, no-one is going to give Vettel any quarter. A slowish start from him and he could be swamped. Rosberg may be mindful of his team responsibility but few others :-D
Sadly, I think the chance of SV celebrating his 4th WDC in India is a strong possibility but perhaps, with this grid line-up, not the inevitability we might have dreaded.:pray

[ManFromMilan]

If these soft are going to be horrible, then it definitely will be in Alonso's advantage and also Mark Webbers. Vettel will always go for the glory of pole position and no matter what strategy he chooses i believe, if his car don't break down or he is not taken out of the race by an accident, he will easily win.

So the best possible outcome to achieve which is second in this race is to start on the prime and build the advantage when the rest have to pit early.

As always hindsight is 20/20, but with the track and the tyres as they are now i feel very confident this strategy will pay off at the end.

[Rob]

Vettel’s qualifying time was outrageous – on softs.
Apart from Webber, who also has the fastest car, Fernando is second of all the drivers on mediums. This doesn’t strike me, in theory, as being a catastrophy.
Of those between SV and FA, no-one is going to give Vettel any quarter. A slowish start from him and he could be swamped. Rosberg may be mindful of his team responsibility but few others :-D
Sadly, I think the chance of SV celebrating his 4th WDC in India is a strong possibility but perhaps, with this grid line-up, not the inevitability we might have dreaded.:pray

Reckon he will win tomorrow, but thought if he like all the statistics we would want win his 4th and last in Abu Dull-bi where he won his first.

[Greig]

Would have made more sense to put Massa on the mediums and Alonso on the softs. We would then be P2/3 and P8.

Anyway we saw in China with Vettel and Germany with Alonso that this kind of strategy does not really give much of an advantage.

What difference does it make who went on the mediums? WCC points is all we are looking at.

But we shall see what strategy is the best tomorrow, I imagine the team think Alonso is on the best strategy.

[Gerhard Berger]

What difference does it make who went on the mediums? WCC points is all we are looking at.

But we shall see what strategy is the best tomorrow, I imagine the team think Alonso is on the best strategy.

Well if Massa was on the mediums he would have only lost 3 places of places compared to where he was on the softs (P8 instead of P5). Alonso on the mediums lost about 5 or 6 places from where he was expected to qualify on the softs (assuming he would have been P2/3 on the softs). Basically putting Alonso on that strategy is more of a risk because he had so many grid places to lose.

I'm sure the team think Alonso's strategy is the better one. I read that they wanted Massa to use the same strategy but he refused. We will see tomorrow.

[Greig]

Alonso would probably be 5th on the softs IMO anyway.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Alonso would probably be 5th on the softs IMO anyway.

People think P2/3 was possible because his Q2 time was good enough for that, plus the track improving from Q2 to Q3.


I agree with doing something different, and probably Fernando is our best man to make it work but P8, dirty side, with fast cars ahead..... let's hope the soft tyres die after 3 laps and he can pass many people early in the race, sadly that will be bad for Felipe, I guess we can't win with both drivers yesterday.

[Rishu]

There is a hilarious video posted by Fernando on Twitter, doing sit ups with de la Rosa & Gene on top of him

[Kyss4k]

Alonso would probably be 5th on the softs IMO anyway.

2nd

[Hornet]

People think P2/3 was possible because his Q2 time was good enough for that, plus the track improving from Q2 to Q3.


I agree with doing something different, and probably Fernando is our best man to make it work but P8, dirty side, with fast cars ahead..... let's hope the soft tyres die after 3 laps and he can pass many people early in the race, sadly that will be bad for Felipe, I guess we can't win with both drivers yesterday.
Well whatever the situation is with the soft tires, it will be the same for Massa and the front runners, so he isn't going to lose out either way. Massa's approach will be the normal direct fight with the front runners irrespective of the tires situation, while Alonso's approach will be through strategy which depends on the tires.

[Greig]

2nd

If you say so, ok he would have been 2nd without a doubt.....

[wacc]

Alonso would probably be 5th on the softs IMO anyway.

Would be 5th only if he went 0.162 seconds slower than in Q2.

[Alessandra]

There is a hilarious video posted by Fernando on Twitter, doing sit ups with de la Rosa & Gene on top of him

Why do some of us waste so much time worrying about the happiness and well-being of favourite drivers when they're just a bunch of big kids!!:-D

[Greig]

Would be 5th only if he went 0.162 seconds slower than in Q2.

Which is possible yes. But why give up the race for a chance at 2nd on the grid? No points on Saturday.

[wacc]

They [edit: would] give up a second place in the race for a chance at 2nd on the grid in my opinion.
I hope I am wrong and Fernando can make one stop less than Vettel and challenge him for the win.

[wisepie]

I can quite understand Ferrari's strategy today, but FA didn't improve on his last lap whereas FM did, OK so the tyres made the difference but I'm sure the team knew what they were doing. It'll all come out in the wash when the lights go out, so no point trying to pre-empt what will happen. It's all there to play for, as long as someone gets the better of Vettel early on.

[Greig]

They [edit: would] give up a second place in the race for a chance at 2nd on the grid in my opinion.
I hope I am wrong and Fernando can make one stop less than Vettel and challenge him for the win.

We have no pace to challenge for the win. We are racing Merc and Lotus, and all 3 of them will need to pit about lap 5 and come out in heavy traffic while Alonso can run his own pace.

[tifosi1993]

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[Tifoso]

We have no pace to challenge for the win. We are racing Merc and Lotus, and all 3 of them will need to pit about lap 5 and come out in heavy traffic while Alonso can run his own pace.

Agreed. :thumb

[stefa]

We have no pace to challenge for the win. We are racing Merc and Lotus, and all 3 of them will need to pit about lap 5 and come out in heavy traffic while Alonso can run his own pace.

Yes the is the idea behind FA strategy. Questions are:

- How many (if any) driver(s) he will overtake at the start
- How much time he will loose behind drivers in front with YELLOW tires
- An finally when all YELLOW tires drivers make their pit stops, in what conditions will FA tires be?

[Greig]

Yes the is the idea behind FA strategy. Questions are:

- How many (if any) driver(s) he will overtake at the start
- How much time he will loose behind drivers in front with YELLOW tires
- An finally when all YELLOW tires drivers make their pit stops, in what conditions will FA tires be?

Since only Webber ahead is on the same tyres, it's not a disaster to not make any places at the start, with the harder tyre then the start will be harder to overtake those on softer.

I doubt he will lose any time since they will be 1 second quicker due to being on softer tyres. When they stop Alonso has mediums that are very long lasting. If they have to pit around lap 5 as predicted they are going to come out in the midfield traffic with most on the same medium tyre. When we have to go so the soft the race will be much more spread out.

[wacc]

We have no pace to challenge for the win. We are racing Merc and Lotus, and all 3 of them will need to pit about lap 5 and come out in heavy traffic while Alonso can run his own pace.

Fernando was faster than them or at least at their level in Q. So why he needs that different strategy? As I said, I hope his strategy turns out to be strong otherwise they just robbed themselves of possible the best starting position since long time.

[Greig]

Fernando was faster than them or at least at their level in Q. So why he needs that different strategy? As I said, I hope his strategy turns out to be strong otherwise they just robbed themselves of possible the best starting position since long time.

I don't know if you watched a different qual to me? Alonso is on our best strategy.

[wacc]

It seemed, that Ferrari had the pace to beat them on the same strategy this week.

[Greig]

Massa is 5th on the same strategy as Seb, Webber is 4th on the same strategy as Alonso, so that is 3 places behind on the same strategy for both our drivers so I am not sure why that does not tell you we were not on their pace today?

Why is Alonso not ahead of Webber on the same tyre?

[stefa]

It seemed, that Ferrari had the pace to beat them on the same strategy this week.

No it doesn't seams at all. We are way of their league!

[stefa]

Since only Webber ahead is on the same tyres, it's not a disaster to not make any places at the start, with the harder tyre then the start will be harder to overtake those on softer.

I doubt he will lose any time since they will be 1 second quicker due to being on softer tyres. When they stop Alonso has mediums that are very long lasting. If they have to pit around lap 5 as predicted they are going to come out in the midfield traffic with most on the same medium tyre. When we have to go so the soft the race will be much more spread out.

Yes. But FA first stint has to last long and tires have to last long to. Hopefully it will

[Greig]

Yes. But FA first stint has to last long and tires have to last long to. Hopefully it will

The mediums are long lasting and have no issues? Others have to use them as well, we will use the softer on less fuel and a more rubbered in track.

[wacc]

Massa is 5th on the same strategy as Seb, Webber is 4th on the same strategy as Alonso, so that is 3 places behind on the same strategy for both our drivers so I am not sure why that does not tell you we were not on their pace today?

Why is Alonso not ahead of Webber on the same tyre?

Why do you compare them to RedBull? We are racing Mercedes and Lotus. So I said, Fernando [edit: was] faster than them or at least at the same level and he could beat them on the same strategy. So why the need to go for different strategy...

[Rob]

Why do you compare them to RedBull? We are racing Mercedes and Lotus. So I said, Fernando were faster than them or at least at the same level and he could beat them on the same strategy. So why the need to go for different strategy...

A different strategy gives us a chance to run in free air when the guy on the soft tyres pit early, they will come out in some traffic. Gives us and rest on mediums chance to try and push and run out a gap. If we had started on the softs, how many people on here would be saying "should of start started onmediums as softs go off too quick"?

Its good call, makes for exciting race, especially towards the end.

[wacc]

I would rather beat them on the same strategy. Afterwards Mercs and Lotus would say Fernando beat them because of the strategy, not because he was quicker.

[Rob]

I would rather beat them on the same strategy. Afterwards Mercs and Lotus would say Fernando beat them because of the strategy, not because he was quicker.

But, we beat them. That is all that counts.

[Gerhard Berger]

A different strategy gives us a chance to run in free air when the guy on the soft tyres pit early, they will come out in some traffic. Gives us and rest on mediums chance to try and push and run out a gap. If we had started on the softs, how many people on here would be saying "should of start started onmediums as softs go off too quick"?

Its good call, makes for exciting race, especially towards the end.

Well in China we ran the softs in Q3 despite having the same situation of the softs degrading very quickly. The traffic was never a problem for Alonso in that race. He passed them all quite easily because of the tyre advantage he had.

We could easily drop a place at the start and drop behind one of the Mclarens which would ruin our strategy. We could also get stuck behind Hulkenberg in the first stint.

[Rob]

Well in China we ran the softs in Q3 despite having the same situation of the softs degrading very quickly. The traffic was never a problem for Alonso in that race. He passed them all quite easily because of the tyre advantage he had.

We could easily drop a place at the start and drop behind one of the Mclarens which would ruin our strategy. We could also get stuck behind Hulkenberg in the first stint.

Hulk is on softs, he may pull out small gap, plus wouldnt be surprised to see Fernando control his pace to keep as much life in the tyres for bit longer then push near stop. Its a gamble. Looking forward to it.

[wacc]

But, we beat them. That is all that counts.

Well, look at Vettel. It is not always only about winning but also about how you win.
Fans want to see Ferrari driver beating them (Mercedes, Lotus) in Q and in the race. Not taking different strategy to have a chance to beat them.

[shamim179]

Interesting strategy by the team to put Alonso on the mediums for the race. We have tried this before this year and didn't work. There's also an aggressive Perez just behind who will try to overtake at Alonso at all costs. That's the most concerning bit to me. The only way for this strategy to work is if Alonso goes easy on the tyres on the 1st stint but this may prove to be tricky as he has to keep a safe distance from Perez. Perez may even have something personal here against Alonso while rumours are circulating about a possible transfer to McLaren-Honda by Alonso with Perez being the replaced.

Having said that, there is every chance that Alonso will be P2 after all the front runners pit with only Webber ahead of him. The key thing is to manage your tyres which Alonso tends to be exceptional at.

Massa is in a good starting position. I have a feeling that he will be on attack mode. He's got a good chance of securing some useful points here. I don't want to see him involved in any incidents whatsoever in these last few races for us.

[Kyss4k]

If you say so, ok he would have been 2nd without a doubt.....

You don't need to be like that. Just look at the times. All Alonso had to do was to improve by massive 0.015s to be 2nd. Imposible?

[Greig]

You don't need to be like that. Just look at the times. All Alonso had to do was to improve by massive 0.015s to be 2nd. Imposible?

And we have seen in the past he has not improved in Q3 so while not impossible not a certainty as you seem to think. But if you know better than the team and Alonso then so be it :-) what lap should we pit Fernando on tomorrow based on all the info you have?

[Jas]

Alonso please please get rid of hulk ASAP! imperative that he does!

[Kyss4k]

And we have seen in the past he has not improved in Q3 so while not impossible not a certainty as you seem to think. But if you know better than the team and Alonso then so be it :-) what lap should we pit Fernando on tomorrow based on all the info you have?

I will believe he would improve, as everyone else did this time. :-)

[hrc5555]

I think there is no point of argue if it is better to start second on softs or eight on hards because, as Alonso said, it is a little difference between these two calls. Everything will depend (as Alonso said) how long will last soft tires for first stint. But I would choose to qualy on hards because that strategy is safer, or lets say with less risk.
First of all, with softs there is a big risk of get stuck in traffic after early first pit stop (which results with slower lap times and bigger tire degradation). And the second think is that the guys who are starting on softs will have to do more than 50 laps on two sets of hard tires (probably one used) if they want to have only two pit stops. It could be marginal for them. On the other hand, empty tank and soft tires for last stint should secure us easy two stop strategy.

P.S. It would be nice if Hamilton takes out Vettel in first corner! :lol

[R Ginart]

So Nando starts 8th 1.5 secs. behind pole on hards, I guess its another race we get to hope for the podium.

[Paulo Goncalves]

FM will throw bieber to debrees ar 1st corner.


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[Hornet]

Well, look at Vettel. It is not always only about winning but also about how you win.
Fans want to see Ferrari driver beating them (Mercedes, Lotus) in Q and in the race. Not taking different strategy to have a chance to beat them.

Well I guess when you have a car as fast as Red Bulls, you can have the luxury of choosing your winning style :-G Though the team certainly isn't fond of that either, always reminding him not to push for fastest lap when he doesn't need to.

It's a luxury we do not enjoy. We are struggling to win at all. When we have the speed like back in 2002-2004 then yeah, we can do funny stuff like both cars lining up to cross the finish line at the same time.

[scuderia_nano]

Felipe has reassured his fans that he wont Heed to Team orders.

Also Added that he decided his strategy for Q3 and The team had failed his in Previous races.


Big Lol to Rubens 2.0

[fratelliferrari]

Felipe has reassured his fans that he wont Heed to Team orders.

Also Added that he decided his strategy for Q3 and The team had failed his in Previous races.


Big Lol to Rubens 2.0

There is no need for team orders at this stage of the championship. Also they are on different strategies so it's not necessary. Indeed Felipe decided to choosd for a different strategy but that's not because of previous races but because of a single race with comparable tire degredation. If Felipe thinks this is the best strategy it is his right to choose like he did.

[blaney1977]

Is the podium a realistic target?

[scuderia_nano]

There is no need for team orders at this stage of the championship. Also they are on different strategies so it's not necessary. Indeed Felipe decided to choosd for a different strategy but that's not because of previous races but because of a single race with comparable tire degredation. If Felipe thinks this is the best strategy it is his right to choose like he did.

If thrz no need for Team orders.. Why is Ferrari giving it?
(last Race)

[Hornet]

Is the podium a realistic target?

Depends on how the strategy works out.


@andrewbensonf1 27m
Pirelli has asked Formula 1 teams to limit running on the tyres in Sunday's Indian Grand Prix on safety grounds

[Katu]

good god, maybe fia should limit the race on safety ground, because during freaking all season after changing tyres they still aren't safe. this just is more than hilarious