F14-T- Development & News

[Laferrari]

front wing look same.I don t expect much improvement because in 2 weeks there is nothing we can do to change a car who is 5th to be on the top.I think the car will be the same because appart from the brake change and wheel nuts there was no upgrade at barhain test

[f300v10]

Pretty sure the nose here is new, its more narrow and more curved. And its hard to be sure, but it looks like the wing flap may be different as well.

http://i.imgur.com/evInKSp.jpg

[PadGeT]

Not sure its an new nose, mate. Cascade elements lack the vertical strake in the middle.

[Winter]

Double diffusors, throttle mapping, what are we waiting for? Get Briatori to Ferrari immed.

:lol Some flexible aero parts, launch control and there is plenty of oil, why to save fuel? Rules are made to be Briatored!

[Laferrari]

Rumours on paddock say that after 3 or 4 races , ferrari will be focus for 2015...Next year they should focus earlier :-??
I am pretty sure it s the last time we will see this suspension and acer duc and some other stuff that no one in paddock have copied us.Allison will make the car...it s the only positive thinks that we have now

[zike]

Rumours on paddock say that after 3 or 4 races , ferrari will be focus for 2015...Next year they should focus earlier :-??
I am pretty sure it s the last time we will see this suspension and acer duc and some other stuff that no one in paddock have copied us.Allison will make the car...it s the only positive thinks that we have now

they will, this year car is an utter disgrace

[Laferrari]

i think this year can be one of the worst in ferrari history without a win or a podium :-??

[stefa]

Rumours on paddock say that after 3 or 4 races , ferrari will be focus for 2015...Next year they should focus earlier :-??
I am pretty sure it s the last time we will see this suspension and acer duc and some other stuff that no one in paddock have copied us.Allison will make the car...it s the only positive thinks that we have now

But that means, another wasted year....

[zike]

i think this year can be one of the worst in ferrari history without a win or a podium :-??

yup, and I think this is the last year for Fry

[PadGeT]

All these trepidation about F14 T isn't helping this thread. Every thread has the same undertone, its getting boring now.

[Laferrari]

All these trepidation about F14 T isn't helping this thread. Every thread has the same undertone, its getting boring now.

I understand you but we are waiting upgrade since the beginning of the second test in barhain so 2 months now.They promises us agressive developpement , even fernando said that the car is basicly the same since melbourne so it s difficult to be positive .But EVERYONE here wants ferrari to be on top as soon as possible.I hope i am wrong but everything is pointing that they are still in trouble to upgrade the car.

[FerrariF60]

i think this year can be one of the worst in ferrari history without a win or a podium :-??

kind of like Mclaren last year, RIGHT....they never saw the podium...>LOLOLOLOL

[Alesi1]

I understand you but we are waiting upgrade since the beginning of the second test in barhain so 2 months now.They promises us agressive developpement , even fernando said that the car is basicly the same since melbourne so it s difficult to be positive .But EVERYONE here wants ferrari to be on top as soon as possible.I hope i am wrong but everything is pointing that they are still in trouble to upgrade the car.


Force India has brought new rear wings, modified underbody and revised suspension.

We have brought Larger brake ducts.

We are too slow to bring updates. What is going on.

[Kiwi Nick]

Force India has brought new rear wings, modified underbody and revised suspension.

We have brought Larger brake ducts.

We are too slow to bring updates. What is going on.

You forgot the all important "blown front wheel nut!"

[Nero Horse]

kind of like Mclaren last year, RIGHT....they never saw the podium...>LOLOLOLOL

naaah, I don't think it's going to be that bad. There's still enough time to improve the situation.

[zike]

Force India has brought new rear wings, modified underbody and revised suspension.

We have brought Larger brake ducts.

We are too slow to bring updates. What is going on.

If Force India can bring more upgrades than us,something very strange is going on

[chris.gotfunk]

If Force India can bring more upgrades than us,something very strange is going on

I think most, if not all of the Mercedes powered teams will have body work upgrades. See the video below. It seems Mercedes has improved/revised their exhaust and decreased its' size which means the teams using those engines, will see improved aero at the back of the car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOKa_VvoIQ

[WS6TransAm01]

Force India has brought new rear wings, modified underbody and revised suspension.

We have brought Larger brake ducts.

We are too slow to bring updates. What is going on.

If our issue is lack of power produced by the engine or the electric motors, the changes we being will be under the skin and therefor not easily discernible through photographs.

[chris.gotfunk]

I have a question (which may be a stupid one), but has anyone mentioned or noted if Ferrari had a new chassis ready for Kimi since we had to cut our test short due to it being damaged?

[stefa]

kind of like Mclaren last year, RIGHT....they never saw the podium...>LOLOLOLOL

Not related to your post, but to your signature. You don't think it is a time to write something about 2015? :-)

[FerrariF60]

Not related to your post, but to your signature. You don't think it is a time to write something about 2015? :-)

LOL....yeah i thing you're right about that....every year i change it in hopes that THAT will be the year...so far Ferrari have proven me wrong...this year they have YET designed a below average car, therefore we won't be winning any championships AGAIN....so yes, maybe i should change that "Alonso will finally get his third WDC with ferarri in 2015".....LOL


SAD BUT TRUE!!!!!

[stefa]

LOL....yeah i thing you're right about that....every year i change it in hopes that THAT will be the year...so far Ferrari have proven me wrong...this year they have YET designed a below average car, therefore we won't be winning any championships AGAIN....so yes, maybe i should change that "Alonso will finally get his third WDC with ferarri in 2015".....LOL


SAD BUT TRUE!!!!!

Yes, another wasted year... So sad but true!

[Kiwi Nick]

I think most, if not all of the Mercedes powered teams will have body work upgrades. See the video below. It seems Mercedes has improved/revised their exhaust and decreased its' size which means the teams using those engines, will see improved aero at the back of the car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOKa_VvoIQ

This video would make you think that things are about to get worse. Not only will Mercedes be getting better, but so will Macca, Williams and Force India. This is what happens when a team can focus on evolving the car rather than trying to correct problems. Merc have a good package and are making it better. Ferrari have a bad package that they are trying to make good.

[WS6TransAm01]

I think most, if not all of the Mercedes powered teams will have body work upgrades. See the video below. It seems Mercedes has improved/revised their exhaust and decreased its' size which means the teams using those engines, will see improved aero at the back of the car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOKa_VvoIQ

How is it panning out to be a great season if its only two team mates fighting at the front? Unless they start taking each other out that is... Its boring as hell

[Lebaronrouge]

If our issue is lack of power produced by the engine or the electric motors, the changes we being will be under the skin and therefor not easily discernible through photographs.
I'm totally agree, our main problem seem to be localized in the way the power of the engine is transmit and our avaibility to run the PU at it maximum all the time. So I hope the team is totally focused on this area.
And solving these problem could induces a bigger step forward than aero updates.

[PadGeT]

Good view of sidepod undercut.
http://i.imgur.com/lolHR2r.jpg

[Tifoso]

Good view of sidepod undercut.
http://i.imgur.com/lolHR2r.jpg

I get your sig!!!!! :-D

[PadGeT]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlaMxmRCAAApMeA.jpg:large

Compare this to RB8

http://i.imgur.com/rWd1pya.jpg

IIRC, the benefit of air intake in break duct is primarily for cooling purpose.Red Bull did the same thing back in 2012 wid their RB8. They infact added holes on the wheelrim itself, which is kind of a better solution in fact. It kept alot of dirty air from the tyre wake outboard of the car. However it did a secondary aero benefit. It channeled the air stream coming from the wheel hub under the floor of the car, where its most beneficial as was seen from the circular vanes that they introduced on the edge of their floor. But later FIA made them seal those holes up, as they were doing aero benefit apart from its primary cooling purpose.
So it leads to question why Ferrari are dabbling with this system if they are inndeed trying to gain aero benfit from it.

[PadGeT]

I get your sig!!!!! :-D

eh??

[mark p]

Just throwing an idea out there. When a car looks good at all angles it normally goes very well. This years Ferrari looks good apart from back of sidepods with those outlets. They seem to add alot of bulk. The 1st iteration of sidepod on the launch car looked alot sleeker to my eye. Does anyone think the updated bulkier ones are not for aero advantage but for cooling but to the the detriment of aero?

[JacKy]

We definetly changed gear ratio.

In bahrain we can up to 320 km/s on 7th gear. Now alonso shifting up to 8th gear after 285 km/s.

Here screenshots.

http://i.imgur.com/X0IVvoo.jpg


Also here :

Alonso vs Rosberg Start-Finish Lane Speed comparison - Both car using DRS. ( Look at Speed and Gear omg:(( )

http://i.imgur.com/P0NNt4B.jpg

[PadGeT]

How can we change gear ratio, if we already did once in Bahrain??

[PadGeT]

http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0574552.jpg
http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0574553.jpg
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http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0574573.jpg
http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0574625.jpg
http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0574604.jpg

FLow -vis on RW

http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0574585.jpg
http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-China-Shanghai-18-April-2014-fotoshowBigImage-f13e525f-772409.jpg
http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-China-Shanghai-18-April-2014-fotoshowBigImage-6924e6e4-772462.jpg
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-China-Shanghai-18-April-2014-fotoshowBigImage-8895fe37-772463.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/N6wEe2q.jpg

[tifosi1993]

UBS Chinese Grand Prix, Shanghai International Circuit, China (18/04/2014)

http://i.imgur.com/LbXHNV1l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/LbXHNV1.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/y6JT6pSl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/y6JT6pS.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/crvgkhGl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/crvgkhG.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/cr8zES1l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/cr8zES1.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/fhG3cnWl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/fhG3cnW.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/cnjBesYl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/cnjBesY.jpg)
http://i.imgur.com/zZWn8vGl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/zZWn8vG.jpg)

via Sutton

[Nand0Nand0]

Tires in this shot look yucky. Hope that was near to the 20th lap.

http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0574573.jpg

[JacKy]

How can we change gear ratio, if we already did once in Bahrain??

I don't think we did in bahrain. We have been use same gear ratio till this race.

[PadGeT]

I don't think we did in bahrain. We have been use same gear ratio till this race.

:oops
my bad
Anywayz, car looks gewd. :-D

[Kyss4k]

Maldonado is on fire today :rotfl

[PadGeT]

Why post this here ?? :Hmm

[mark p]

Interesting sidepods are back to launch versions. Looks alot cleaner and car is looking much better. Is this a sign other issues inside the car have improved to allow the change back to this cleaner exterior. I know Friday times can be misleading but hard to ignore the consistent good times by Alonso. All season the Friday race runs have given a better indication so eager to see these.

[abbottcostello]

Interesting sidepods are back to launch versions. Looks alot cleaner and car is looking much better. Is this a sign other issues inside the car have improved to allow the change back to this cleaner exterior. I know Friday times can be misleading but hard to ignore the consistent good times by Alonso. All season the Friday race runs have given a better indication so eager to see these.
The launch version is the preferred, the larger package was/is for circuits with a high cooling demand, at least that's what I remember from pre season testing.
They should just stick with the tighter design & cut holes if need be (a la Red Bull) as it is better aero wise!

[mark p]

The launch version is the preferred, the larger package was/is for circuits with a high cooling demand, at least that's what I remember from pre season testing.
They should just stick with the tighter design & cut holes if need be (a la Red Bull) as it is better aero wise!

I thought this but Australia was not hot? Could it have been overheating electric cables as in those pictures in 1st test and it has taken until now to get upgraded cables that can take the heat? The old sidepods were a stop gap until can use originals due to this? This may enable Ferrari to get more power more often from ers and take advantage of better mapping?

Of course we cannot know but does this sound plausible?

[tifosi1993]

UBS Chinese Grand Prix, Shanghai International Circuit, China (18/04/2014)

http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1418ap270.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1418ap272.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1418ap227.jpg

Edit:

http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1418ap551.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1418ap550.jpg
http://f1grandprix.motorionline.com/download/foto2014/GP_CINA/VENERDI/f1-gp-cina-2014-venerdi-b-00113.jpg

via Sutton & f1grandprix.net

[Laferrari]

How is possible to be that fast?

[Majki2111]

Mercedes hiding the pace.

[PadGeT]

Power unit usage as of FP1 today :
http://i.imgur.com/p8hAtFh.png

[wacc]

How is possible to be that fast?

:rotfl

[Muhammad Ansib]

I can see a new rear wing and a few changes to the sidepods, aswell as a few updates to the brake ducts But I still can see any updates on front wing. during FP2 they changed the FW but I cant see any difference between the old and new one?

[zike]

Power unit usage as of FP1 today :
http://i.imgur.com/p8hAtFh.png

What does this mean?

[windwaves]

If our issue is lack of power produced by the engine or the electric motors, the changes we being will be under the skin and therefor not easily discernible through photographs.

I mean, how many times do you need to hear it ?

The problems are not just the PU. This car has fundamental issues across the board, at all levels. The PU might not even be the most important.

[Gould]

ICE is Internal Combustion Engine
TC is turbo/compressor
MGU-K is Motor Generator Unit Kinetic
MGU-H is the same but Heat (attached to the TC axle)
ES is Energy Store


The other I don't know sorry

[f300v10]

ICE is Internal Combustion Engine
TC is turbo/compressor
MGU-K is Motor Generator Unit Kinetic
MGU-H is the same but Heat (attached to the TC axle)
ES is Energy Store


The other I don't know sorry

I believe CE is control electronics.

[Muhammad Ansib]

More Top-Speed could be due to the more Powerful DRS Effect which we have tried to achieve with the new wing?

[gjoko-mkd]

I can see a new rear wing and a few changes to the sidepods, aswell as a few updates to the brake ducts But I still can see any updates on front wing. during FP2 they changed the FW but I cant see any difference between the old and new one?


What parts of the rear wing are new? I can`t see any new signs

[Silent Bob]

More Top-Speed could be due to the more Powerful DRS Effect which we have tried to achieve with the new wing?

Could be more power from PU or better aero and less drag. Maybe new engine cover and rear wing allow higher top speeds.

[Silent Bob]

If our speed is down to the PU being better, then I'd expect to see Sauber and Marrussia gaining some time as well. If it's all aero then they won't benefit.

[Muhammad Ansib]

What parts of the rear wing are new? I can`t see any new signs

Well Ted was saying that ferrari has new brake ducts, rear wing(with more powerful DRS effect) and when there were 20 approx mins left in FP2 Alonso came in and the team changed his front wing and Ted said that Ferrari have reverted back to the old wing(front) for back to back comparisons.

[Muhammad Ansib]

If our speed is down to the PU being better, then I'd expect to see Sauber and Marrussia gaining some time as well. If it's all aero then they won't benefit.

Oh good then. finally we are making some progress thankfully.

[Dino]

We definetly changed gear ratio.

In bahrain we can up to 320 km/s on 7th gear. Now alonso shifting up to 8th gear after 285 km/s.

Here screenshots.

http://i.imgur.com/X0IVvoo.jpg


Also here :

Alonso vs Rosberg Start-Finish Lane Speed comparison - Both car using DRS. ( Look at Speed and Gear omg:(( )

http://i.imgur.com/P0NNt4B.jpg

You are getting mixed up but it is not your fault.
Alonso was using 8th.gear in Bahrain but the 8 did not light up in the lower left corner.You can hear the change and also notice the drop in revs in this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yamJFwut5Hk

Changes to 8th.gear at 20sec./58sec./1'21sec.

[SilverSpeed]

Could also have to do with camber settings and DF level guys...

[Kyss4k]

Why post this here ?? :Hmm

Wrong tab... Too many tabs open :-s

[GrndLkNatv]

The difference here has to be the ERS.


We definetly changed gear ratio.

In bahrain we can up to 320 km/s on 7th gear. Now alonso shifting up to 8th gear after 285 km/s.

Here screenshots.

http://i.imgur.com/X0IVvoo.jpg


Also here :

Alonso vs Rosberg Start-Finish Lane Speed comparison - Both car using DRS. ( Look at Speed and Gear omg:(( )

http://i.imgur.com/P0NNt4B.jpg

[GrndLkNatv]

Yesterday was Andrea's Birthday!!

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[pavenc]

Friday 18 April at 17:35 : Apr.18 (GMM) Mercedes' rivals look closer to the pace this weekend in China.

Back-to-back winner Lewis Hamilton was the fastest overall in Shanghai practice, but Ferrari's Fernando Alonso was only a tenth behind.

On Friday morning, the Spaniard was even fastest of all.

Germany's Auto Motor und Sport wondered if the red car was putting in "show rounds" to ease the pressure on the new dark glasses-wearing boss, Marco Mattiacci.

But the Italian team does appear to have taken a clear step forward since Bahrain, with correspondent Michael Schmidt revealing Ferrari is using not only a new rear wing in China, but also an engine upgrade and new Shell fuel.

"The competition has moved closer to us," confirmed Mercedes' Paddy Lowe.

Closer, but not quite close enough, as confirmed by Red Bull's Christian Horner. "We are closer," he agreed, "but we can not challenge them on a dry track.

"In the rain, we have a chance."

If it does stay dry, the main event at the front of the field could be yet another ding-dong battle between Hamilton and his fiesty teammate, Nico Rosberg.

The German is desperate to prevent Hamilton from gaining the psychological "edge", as referred to by the Briton and 2008 world champion on Thursday.

Once friends, the pressure of their seemingly inevitable battle for the 2014 title is beginning to tell.

Asked if he had "any contact" - a phone call, an email, a text message - with Hamilton since finishing second to his teammate in Bahrain two weeks ago, Rosberg insisted: "No, nothing."

During their wheel-to-wheel battle, Rosberg had radioed the pits, describing Hamilton's driving as "not on".

Rosberg played that down on Thursday but admitted the pair would need to get together for a clear-the-air session.

On Friday, Rosberg said: "Yes, we sat down and went through everything. It's all behind us and flat-out ahead."

But when asked about that debrief, Hamilton shook his head and answered "No" when asked if it had taken place.

Rosberg confirmed that the rivalry is becoming "tense", and team boss Lowe said he will work hard to keep it in check as the races roll on in 2014.

"We've already seen signs (of the tension)," he told the Guardian, "because they've got a winning car and they both want to win. I think it will require careful management through the year."

[bluesilhouettes]

We definetly changed gear ratio.

In bahrain we can up to 320 km/s on 7th gear. Now alonso shifting up to 8th gear after 285 km/s.

Here screenshots.

http://i.imgur.com/X0IVvoo.jpg


Also here :

Alonso vs Rosberg Start-Finish Lane Speed comparison - Both car using DRS. ( Look at Speed and Gear omg:(( )

http://i.imgur.com/P0NNt4B.jpg

Maybe censored information from telemetry. I guess.

[PadGeT]

Could also have to do with camber settings and DF level guys...


http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0575050.jpg

Indeed, they are trying to push along that line. Here, in this pic.. a lot of negative camber on front wheels.
Maybe, its to do with reduced Fw width this year, can't be sure.

Teams monitor the tyre degradation, ride height with angle slip sensor, such as this : http://www.f1technical.net/images/glossary/correvit.jpg

[PadGeT]

http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-China-Shanghai-19-April-2014-fotoshowImage-94911035-772571.jpg
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-China-Shanghai-19-April-2014-fotoshowImage-812e17a6-772572.jpg
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http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-China-Shanghai-19-April-2014-fotoshowImage-6b2e7dbb-772627.jpg

[PadGeT]

Ferrari ran a high rake setup on Alonso's car during Quali (expected due to wet cond.) & FP1.http://f1tcdn.net/images/news/2014/alonso_2.jpg
In Quali during upshifts there was a lot of wheelspin on both front and rear causing traction problems.

Rake Comparison

http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0575138.jpg
http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0575145.jpg
http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0575144.jpg

Mercs run visibly lower rake than Ferrari, RB.

[Muhammad Ansib]

Ferrari ran a high rake setup on Alonso's car during Quali (expected due to wet cond.) & FP1.http://f1tcdn.net/images/news/2014/alonso_2.jpg
In Quali during upshifts there was a lot of wheelspin on both front and rear causing traction problems.

Rake Comparison

http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0575138.jpg
http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0575145.jpg
http://images.adrivo.com/images/950/q_80/sw_adrivo/se_sutton/0575144.jpg

Mercs run visibly lower rake than Ferrari, RB.

Our Sidepod shape is very weird and different from others; But its good to the amount of rake we are running. But Why is mercedes is not running that much rake? and still be ahead of the rest..I wonder

[PadGeT]

Our Sidepod shape is very weird and different from others

Ferrari & Rb's sidepod feature sidepod overcuts predominantly, Mercs traditional undercut although it does bulge at the bottom slightly.
Remember RB6 , the car that gives Tombazis nightmare :lol http://www.grand-prix-photography.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/DPP_121.jpg
Compare it with F14 T
http://thef1poet.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/jerez-f14t1.jpg
:-D :-D :-D

But Why is mercedes is not running that much rake? and still be ahead of the rest..I wonder
Mercs may not have the D/F levels of RB and Ferrari, but the car is the most developed and has the best balance in low speed corners.

[Alesi1]

The front of our car just looks weird. Why not just copy RBR and make it cleaner and get a little more air under the nose

[PadGeT]

The front of our car just looks weird. Why not just copy RBR and make it cleaner and get a little more air under the nose
Cause the nose height has maximum limit in regs this year. :doh
The amount of air under the nose seems to be first thing everyone is interested about. I wonder why?

[windwaves]

until we get rid of our hideous nose… no hope !!!

oh well, I finally said it….anyway, half joking, but I am sure MM will change that and also finally, omg finally, to push-rod. Wait & see.

[PadGeT]

until we get rid of our hideous nose… no hope !!!

oh well, I finally said it….anyway, half joking, but I am sure MM will change that and also finally, omg finally, to push-rod. Wait & see.

Can u explain where exactly our nose design is lacking?

[PadGeT]

Waiting for a reply man, hurry up.

[Muhammad Ansib]

Ferrari & Rb's sidepod feature sidepod overcuts predominantly, Mercs traditional undercut although it does bulge at the bottom slightly.
Remember RB6 , the car that gives Tombazis nightmare :lol http://www.grand-prix-photography.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/DPP_121.jpg
Compare it with F14 T
http://thef1poet.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/jerez-f14t1.jpg
:-D :-D :-D

Mercs may not have the D/F levels of RB and Ferrari, but the car is the most developed and has the best balance in low speed corners.

Thanks alot mate for the best comparsion and rationalising our sidepod philosophy, otherwise I was thinking that our design wasnt that good, If Mr.Adrain Newey has passed this design than for sure they work and I pray that we sort out our MGU H problems. That has warmed the cockles of my heart! Kudos mate..FORZA FERRARI

[Greig]

until we get rid of our hideous nose… no hope !!!

oh well, I finally said it….anyway, half joking, but I am sure MM will change that and also finally, omg finally, to push-rod. Wait & see.

So MM is a aero guy as well as a suspension expert? Very good then he can design us a B chassis pretty soon and we will obviously win with ease.

[SinanOzerS]

So MM is a aero guy as well as a suspension expert? Very good then he can design us a B chassis pretty soon and we will obviously win with ease.

Hahahaha, you and your jokes again.

[Hornet]

So MM is a aero guy as well as a suspension expert? Very good then he can design us a B chassis pretty soon and we will obviously win with ease.

Hopefully he's a engine guy as well so he can build Ferrari a new engine :-D

[Alonso14]

The car looked very good today, aerodynamically and traction-wise. We were strong in S1 and S2 but were losing quite a bit at the big straight.

I feel Barcelona could be by far our strongest race yet.

[zike]

we are at 80% power wise, right?

[Gould]

In Quali during upshifts there was a lot of wheelspin on both front and rear causing traction problems.


How can we have front wheelspin that causes traction problems? The car is still rear wheel drive.

[PadGeT]

How can we have front wheelspin that causes traction problems? The car is still rear wheel drive.

The problem occures during upshift, so problem with clutch control systems?? :Hmm
If the front tyre is cold, there maybe differential velocity of spinning in front and rear(more), causing the front to slip.

[Gould]

The problem occures during upshift, so problem with clutch control systems?? :Hmm
If the front tyre is cold, there maybe differential velocity of spinning in front and rear(more), causing the front to slip.

I doubt it. The front wheels are not driven. Any delta in wheel speed between front and rear is due to rear torque application. Front wheel speed is monitored and checked with pitot readings, giving the airspeed/front wheel speed ratio.

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

Keep hearing rumours of big upgrades for Barcelona? Any truth to this?:Hmm

[zike]

Keep hearing rumours of big upgrades for Barcelona? Any truth to this?:Hmm

Give us the link, plss :-D.....upgrades,upgrades :-D:-D

[Bertie]

Keep hearing rumours of big upgrades for Barcelona? Any truth to this?:Hmm

It is normally routine for all teams to bring lots of upgrades to barcelona as it is a long break and closer to the factory. Hope ours are the best! Think the track won't be too bad for us. If we can get a bit more performance and a bit of luck then we have small WDC chance.

As well as power/power delivery improvements I would like to see a new front wing.

[PadGeT]

Ok. At the start, the engine bogs downs when driver shifts to 2nd, then we see the fronts slip, even if the rear has traction the fronts have wheelspin. Why does it occur then? I remember plenty of times DC mentioning those wheelspin causing poor getaway.

[Laferrari]

Ok. At the start, the engine bogs downs when driver shifts to 2nd, then we see the fronts slip, even if the rear has traction the fronts have wheelspin. Why does it occur then? I remember plenty of times DC mentioning those wheelspin causing poor getaway.

Rai say that we will have a complete new car in barcelona :-E.
Power engine 100%
this track suit us more than redbull because it s a front demanding not rear where redbull excel(traction and slow corner)
If the improving is big we can compete with mercedes.I think we are 0.6 at 1 sec behind them.Our engine will give us more boost if we can improve his driveability and power delivery.
See a Ferrari on the podium is a great feeling ...but man ferrari need to give fernando a great car, this man is a legend .He is on the same level as Fangio, Senna,schumacher.We will remind him as a pure racer

[Gould]

Ok. At the start, the engine bogs downs when driver shifts to 2nd, then we see the fronts slip, even if the rear has traction the fronts have wheelspin. Why does it occur then? I remember plenty of times DC mentioning those wheelspin causing poor getaway.

The front wheels are not driven. They have no power. You can't have front wheel spin, I'm sorry. Either you lost something in translation or your understanding of torque delivery is lacking but the front wheels on an F1 car are simply along for the ride.

[Gould]

Rai say that we will have a complete new car in barcelona :-E.
Power engine 100%


I hope you're right. We need more power Scotty!

[PadGeT]

The front wheels are not driven. They have no power. You can't have front wheel spin, I'm sorry. Either you lost something in translation or your understanding of torque delivery is lacking but the front wheels on an F1 car are simply along for the ride.

You didn't answer my question? Power is given to rear wheels, i agree. That doesn't mean fronts can have wheelspin, now does it? If the front looses contact with the tarmac, with increased wt distribution near the rear, wont there be slippage ,wont it deter the front drive. My understanding is a bit vague here. But iirc, if the front doesn't aid the rear, wont there be locking due to differential in wheel spin & friction, thereby compromising the grip the front is getting in forward motion?

Aah now i get it , my understanding of wheelspin is flawed. Thanks for giving me the pain to look it up. :thumb

[Gould]

Aah now i get it , my understanding of wheelspin is flawed. Thanks for giving me the pain to look it up. :thumb

No worries mate, these cars are complicated!! :thumb

[PadGeT]

Yeah, they are. But the more you learn about them, the more fun you get!

[Rob]

Ferrari & Rb's sidepod feature sidepod overcuts predominantly, Mercs traditional undercut although it does bulge at the bottom slightly.
Remember RB6 , the car that gives Tombazis nightmare :lol http://www.grand-prix-photography.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/DPP_121.jpg
Compare it with F14 T
http://thef1poet.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/jerez-f14t1.jpg
:-D :-D :-D

Mercs may not have the D/F levels of RB and Ferrari, but the car is the most developed and has the best balance in low speed corners.

Rake will help give you small amounts of rear D/F. Merc not running with alot of rake, means they are comfortable with the amount they produce, and dont need the rake.

[PadGeT]

Thanks alot mate for the best comparsion and rationalising our sidepod philosophy, otherwise I was thinking that our design wasnt that good, If Mr.Adrain Newey has passed this design than for sure they work and I pray that we sort out our MGU H problems. That has warmed the cockles of my heart! Kudos mate..FORZA FERRARI

I haven't explained anything, actually. If you want to undertsand sidepod philosohy aerowise, you have to know about principles of airflow round obstructions, airfoils, Coanda principle etc. Good luck looking them up. :-D

[PadGeT]

Rake will help give you small amounts of rear D/F. Merc not running with alot of rake, means they are comfortable with the amount they produce, and dont need the rake.
Agreed. Its all about proper balance between front and rear wt. distribution wise which depends where your low pressure zone is at the car. But, it does tell us that RB and Ferrari are carrying more front end downforce.

Also the efeect of rake is twofold. It also severly reduces the braking zones and aids coner entry speed.

[Paulpg87]

Rai say that we will have a complete new car in barcelona :-E.
Power engine 100%
this track suit us more than redbull because it s a front demanding not rear where redbull excel(traction and slow corner)
If the improving is big we can compete with mercedes.I think we are 0.6 at 1 sec behind them.Our engine will give us more boost if we can improve his driveability and power delivery.
See a Ferrari on the podium is a great feeling ...but man ferrari need to give fernando a great car, this man is a legend .He is on the same level as Fangio, Senna,schumacher.We will remind him as a pure racer

source? thanks

[wisepie]

The front of our car just looks weird. Why not just copy RBR and make it cleaner and get a little more air under the nose

Quite agree, the nose looks too high and the drop too severe, not smooth and aerodynamic and certainly not pretty. Guess it's the regs but it just looks dis-jointed.

[PadGeT]

Quite agree, the nose looks too high and the drop too severe, not smooth and aerodynamic and certainly not pretty. Guess it's the regs but it just looks dis-jointed.

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[Ed Harley]

KR says his gentle driving style does not produce enough heat in the tyres and when the tyres wear he drives even smoother and that produces heat even less.

It is my understanding that the teams warm up the wheels/tyres already with braking generated heat energy so why not control/limit wheel cooling a bit more to heat his tyres more.

[khizerk]

KR says his gentle driving style does not produce enough heat in the tyres and when the tyres wear he drives even smoother and that produces heat even less.

It is my understanding that the teams warm up the wheels/tyres already with braking generated heat energy so why not control/limit wheel cooling a bit more to heat his tyres more.

I thought worn tyres overheated more quickly :s

[PadGeT]

http://img4.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-China-Shanghai-19-April-2014-fotoshowBigImage-7a40da5a-772623.jpg
http://f1tcdn.net/images/development/2014/chn-mercedes-nose.jpg

See the change in Merc's new nose. The new one i a lot closer to ferrari's nose philosophy. Notice the mounting pylons makes much less curvature from down to up in the new one. It is done to reduce turbulence, also has bit more air intake volume. This gives potentialy a cleaner airflow under the nose and through to the guiding vanes.

[Ed Harley]

I thought worn tyres overheated more quickly :s
Not if you are trying to preserve them, I think.

[Dino]

KR says his gentle driving style does not produce enough heat in the tyres and when the tyres wear he drives even smoother and that produces heat even less.

It is my understanding that the teams warm up the wheels/tyres already with braking generated heat energy so why not control/limit wheel cooling a bit more to heat his tyres more.

That problem has always existed in all forms of racing,Go karts/MotoGp/Etc.
If this is really what is happening to Kimi the latest large front brake duct and air outlet at the wheel nut will hurt him even more.The current harder Pirelli rubber will surely not help.He might not have that problem when the temperatures start getting higher in the next races..:thumb

[windwaves]

So MM is a aero guy as well as a suspension expert? Very good then he can design us a B chassis pretty soon and we will obviously win with ease.

dude, you need to take a step back and relax. SD is gone, and us fans are real happy about it, finally, and now we have hope and you should welcome and support the new guy who hopefully will take Ferrari back to where it belongs.

You are the only one here talking about "win with ease".
You are the only one here claiming MM is a "aero guy".
You are the only one here claiming he can "design a B chassis".

Have a great day :)

[PadGeT]

dude, you need to take a step back and relax. SD is gone, and us fans are real happy about it, finally, and now we have hope and you should welcome and support the new guy who hopefully will take Ferrari back to where it belongs.

You are the only one here talking about "win with ease".
You are the only one here claiming MM is a "aero guy".
You are the only one here claiming he can "design a B chassis".

Have a great day :)
No true fan should be happy about SD's news. Heck, even our drivers were shocked. You are delirious, my friend.

[windwaves]

No true fan should be happy about SD's news. Heck, even our drivers were shocked. You are delirious, my friend.

delirious ? well obviously you are too far removed from the realities of Ferrari F1. The team is beyond happy, they could not stand SD anymore as they all knew he was the one screwing up everything every day.


And it was clearly shown today with the first podium of the season.

Dudes, he is gone and gone for good. Give it up and welcome the new reality of Ferrari F1. Thx :)

[PadGeT]

You are clearly not in reality. Whatever Ferrari produced today, was due to Stefano and the decisions he took while at helm. Alonso, IIRC mentioned that Stefano has to be responsible for whatever the team does upto July. So, there you go. Also, if I may say, You add nothing to this thread.

[mark p]

Huge improvement going only by performance on the long straight. This and back to the sleeker sidepods. Good cahance it was cable material and thus heat of cables messing up the ers? Any other theories on this?

Someone mentioned Raikonen saying about large changes next race? I cannot find he has said this. Anyone? Or should this be put down to made up fantasy like the Byrne floor etc?

What were the weaknesses today to Merc. Was it all straighline or corners as well. Ferrari looked as stable as anyone today so balance improved.

[PadGeT]

What were the weaknesses today to Merc. Was it all straighline or corners as well. Ferrari looked as stable as anyone today so balance improved.

In straights, Mercs>>Ferrari>RB
In corner, RB> Ferrari>Mercs
My opinion ofcourse.

[windwaves]

You are clearly not in reality. Whatever Ferrari produced today, was due to Stefano and the decisions he took while at helm. Alonso, IIRC mentioned that Stefano has to be responsible for whatever the team does upto July. So, there you go. Also, if I may say, You add nothing to this thread.

You add nothing yourself my friend, you try hard though, I see, it is nice of you.

Sadly you are a bit confused. Today's result was emblematic of the team welcoming the new guy and celebrating the departure of SD. It is pure happiness across the board.

The car is and remains inferior. Mark my words. We will have to wait for MM to have an impact to be competitive again, at the top level I mean doh, which will take time.

[Cheeseman]

You add nothing yourself my friend, you try hard though, I see, it is nice of you.

Sadly you are a bit confused. Today's result was emblematic of the team welcoming the new guy and celebrating the departure of SD. It is pure happiness across the board.

The car is and remains inferior. Mark my words. We will have to wait for MM to have an impact to be competitive again, at the top level I mean doh, which will take time.

Funny how Alonso dedicates his podium to the guy they are all so glad to see the back off :roll

[PadGeT]

You add nothing yourself my friend, you try hard though, I see, it is nice of you..

Ofcourse I don't add anything thats worth your salt. You can be sure I don't intend to in future also.

[Kyss4k]

In straights, Mercs >> Ferrari > RB
In corner, RB > Mercs >= Ferrari

Fixed it for you

[Majki2111]

In straights, Mercs>>Ferrari>RB
In corner, RB> Ferrari>Mercs
My opinion ofcourse.
I think Hulkenberg's option, too. He said, I think, during Malaysian GP, that Ferrari is very good in corners.

Fixed it for you
I don't think so when it is about cornering. I think F14T is better than Mercedes in cornering 'cause Hulkenberg said so.

[PadGeT]

Fixed it for you

:-!

[mark p]

Fixed it for you

This is what I was looking for. Corners are close between Merc and Ferrari but at least Ferrari seem to have jumped Renault on engine power and delivery appeared to improve this weekend?

Merc also had their new nose which was appeared the biggest visual change amongst the cars. Ferrari were 25 seconds off but last race was 35 seconds in around 15 laps so good improvement. If this relative performance increase continues it is a happy sign as I do not remember Ferrari closing a gap to the best team for a long time over many races.

Seems like further gains will be under the skin with visual changes quite small. I wonder if moving the cooling outlets closer to the spine of the car will be happening like RedBull as to my eyes it looks nicer which often means it works better but alas I am not a windtunnel. (Quote and insert joke here)

[windwaves]

Funny how Alonso dedicates his podium to the guy they are all so glad to see the back off :roll

but of course ! he is a descent man, in fact he's got lots of class. SD is the man he worked with for a number of years, why would he not do that ? It was the right and classy thing to do. That is what it means. It's got nothing to do with FA opinion of SD in terms of leader of Ferrari F1.

[Bertie]

You are clearly not in reality. Whatever Ferrari produced today, was due to Stefano and the decisions he took while at helm. Alonso, IIRC mentioned that Stefano has to be responsible for whatever the team does upto July. So, there you go. Also, if I may say, You add nothing to this thread.

Just to add to your post in agreement. The podium was dedicated to Stefano.

Damn already pointed out. I should of been more patient.

[Kyss4k]

I think Hulkenberg's option, too. He said, I think, during Malaysian GP, that Ferrari is very good in corners.

I don't think so when it is about cornering. I think F14T is better than Mercedes in cornering 'cause Hulkenberg said so.

It is not. Just look at the onboards. Merc is so smooth. More than Ferrari. Even observations of Brundle in high speed turns this weekend leads to that conclusion. We have the 3rd best aero as of now.

[Kyss4k]

:-!

?

[PadGeT]

It is not. Just look at the onboards. Merc is so smooth. More than Ferrari. Even observations of Brundle in high speed turns this weekend leads to that conclusion. We have the 3rd best aero as of now.
Brundle, Ohhhh Brundle!!!! :lol By da way, my comment didnt need to be fixed. Its your opinion and you are trying to force me to agree with yours.

[mark p]

It is not. Just look at the onboards. Merc is so smooth. More than Ferrari. Even observations of Brundle in high speed turns this weekend leads to that conclusion. We have the 3rd best aero as of now.

If so do you believe this to be all aero, all engine mapping or equal amount of both?

[Cheeseman]

but of course ! he is a descent man, in fact he's got lots of class. SD is the man he worked with for a number of years, why would he not do that ? It was the right and classy thing to do. That is what it means. It's got nothing to do with FA opinion of SD in terms of leader of Ferrari F1.

What is Fernando's opinion on Stefano as team leader then?

[Ophidian786]

I don’t think we should get carried away with this result, though it is a huge relief.

Our raw speed is still well down on Mercedes and RB - as demonstrated in qualifying (even if it was raining, 1.7 seconds is really not good).

Despite this, sounds defeatist, but if we can challenge for 3rd all year, I will be happy.

[mark p]

I don’t think we should get carried away with this result, though it is a huge relief.

Our raw speed is still well down on Mercedes and RB - as demonstrated in qualifying (even if it was raining, 1.7 seconds is really not good).

Despite this, sounds defeatist, but if we can challenge for 3rd all year, I will be happy.

The gap was over 2 seconds a lap last race today around 1 second to Merc and about level with RedBull. Although circuit characteristics count for some of this the start was the best so far, top speed was such RedBull could not get by with drs, Ferrari appeared to gain at least half a second maybe more on RedBull and Merc with mainly non visible upgrades. Maybe more to come next race. As things stand though without a long straight ie at Monaco RedBull are still 2nd fastest but what a turnaround with easily beating the lesser teams?

Just hope both cars can start to be up there as gap between Ferrari drivers was to large and no reports of issues with other car.

[Hornet]

That problem has always existed in all forms of racing,Go karts/MotoGp/Etc.
If this is really what is happening to Kimi the latest large front brake duct and air outlet at the wheel nut will hurt him even more.The current harder Pirelli rubber will surely not help.He might not have that problem when the temperatures start getting higher in the next races..:thumb

The larger duct is to channel air out the wheelnut to help with the tire wake. The only cooling present in the wheel is brake cooling, and you cannot mess around with brake cooling as brake temperature is as critical too.

Not that it have that significant influence on the tire temp anyway. The team cannot simply reduce brake cooling in hopes of increasing tire temp

[Ed Harley]

It is a question of how much brake generated heat is "stored" in the wheel thus warming up the tyre. All teams today should do this somehow but here's a glimpse of Mercedes idea:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/09/revealed-the-secret-behind-mercedes-getting-on-top-of-tyre-issues/

[Kingdom Hearts]

I don’t think we should get carried away with this result, though it is a huge relief.

Our raw speed is still well down on Mercedes and RB - as demonstrated in qualifying (even if it was raining, 1.7 seconds is really not good).

Despite this, sounds defeatist, but if we can challenge for 3rd all year, I will be happy.


I agree with you, people is already reading too much into this race. This happen in the past too, a good race and everyone is already dreamy. We are behind RB and we need a massive upgrade for Barcelona and to be honest I think RB or even Mercedes will have a better chance to make that big step before us. At least let's hope that from Barcelona we are the 3rd best time for the rest of the season and we an work our way up from there.

[Hornet]

It is a question of how much brake generated heat is "stored" in the wheel thus warming up the tyre. All teams today should do this somehow but here's a glimpse of Mercedes idea:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/09/revealed-the-secret-behind-mercedes-getting-on-top-of-tyre-issues/

Ferrari have done something similar by using a black band to absorb heat this year, perhaps not as aggressive as that heatsink design, but could be due to weight issues this year.

Anyway, we certainly cannot reduce cooling in an attempt to keep more heat as the brakes have very narrow operating temperature as well and they cannot be allow to exceed it's operating range. Hence we sometimes hear drivers being told to cool their brakes during races and this affects lap time when they have to do so, so it's counter productive.

http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-Malaysia-26-Maerz-2014-fotoshowBigImage-2baefef6-766812.jpg

[Hombre B]

According to the RAI (Italian chain), Ferrari will almost Version B car in Spain and the PU will work 100%.

[abbottcostello]

but of course ! he is a descent man, in fact he's got lots of class. SD is the man he worked with for a number of years, why would he not do that ? It was the right and classy thing to do. That is what it means. It's got nothing to do with FA opinion of SD in terms of leader of Ferrari F1.
Just so I understand, the car's improvement that appears to have narrowed our performance gap to the merc, RB, Williams & FI teams is due to the change in Ferrari's TP? How did this happen, MM came in & told them to use the parts on the car the SD had not been allowing them to change? Or maybe he implemented all the ideas they have been putting in the "suggestion box" for the last 6 months that SD was purposely ignoring?
To be sure, even if there is some attitude change in the team, where everybody is happier, how exactly would that translate into more power, better handling or increased aero efficiency in 4 days time. Or maybe he just asked them to give the effort another 20% more than the measly 100% they were doing for SD?

[Ed Harley]

I probably sound like a broken record but you do not necessarily jeopardize brake cooling efficiency if you increase the heat energy storage capacity of the wheel. But I do believe the team does know all this already much better than rest of us and are looking at different solutions if needed.

[Kyss4k]

Brundle, Ohhhh Brundle!!!! :lol By da way, my comment didnt need to be fixed. Its your opinion and you are trying to force me to agree with yours.

I'm not forcing you to anythong mate. Be cool.

[killer]

According to the RAI (Italian chain), Ferrari will almost Version B car in Spain and the PU will work 100%.

May we have a link, please?

[Kyss4k]

If so do you believe this to be all aero, all engine mapping or equal amount of both?

Well Merc is obviously ahead with the engine. Not only the power, but the power delivery as well and that improves driveability. That's why they have great traction out of slow corners probably. But it won't help you in high speed turns, thats where aero comes. And as they look smoother, with less corrections, they have bigger downforce than us. Not by as huge margin as they are better in the engine department though.

[Gould]

According to the RAI (Italian chain), Ferrari will almost Version B car in Spain and the PU will work 100%.

I hope you're right but I find it hard to believe. If we have been running the PU at 80% on purpose we may have lost the WDC because of it, by being too conservative. If we have been running it at 80% because we couldn't extract the last 20% then why all of a sudden are we able to?

[zike]

I hope you're right but I find it hard to believe. If we have been running the PU at 80% on purpose we may have lost the WDC because of it, by being too conservative. If we have been running it at 80% because we couldn't extract the last 20% then why all of a sudden are we able to?

Maybe we solved the problem in 2 months since testing

[Muhammad Ansib]

I read somewhere that Ferrari probably doing a bit of testing in the weeks before the next race. Any idea if its true?

[Paulpg87]

According to the RAI (Italian chain), Ferrari will almost Version B car in Spain and the PU will work 100%.

Yes, i heard it too in televesion (RAI is national tv, Radio Televisione Italiana) they said we will almost have a version B of the car and a power up for PU. Moreover, during the race, Ivan Capelli said that also RBR will have a version B of the car and massive upgrades are rumored for them. he said that RBR will be so revised that they are crash testing again the car with all the new parts and FIA has a lot of work to do with them.

[zike]

I read somewhere that Ferrari probably doing a bit of testing in the weeks before the next race. Any idea if its true?

As far as I know, second in season testing sesion is after the race

[SilverSpeed]

There simply is no B spec version planned Jezus...

[Gould]

Yes who keep quotin Rai saying that we are bringing a B-spec car to Barcelona in 3 weeks? Where are these sources?

[zike]

Yes who keep quotin Rai saying that we are bringing a B-spec car to Barcelona in 3 weeks? Where are these sources?

the B spec rumor has started at Malaysian GP, so if the rumor is truth they had plenty of time to make all of the parts

[Paulpg87]

Yes who keep quotin Rai saying that we are bringing a B-spec car to Barcelona in 3 weeks? Where are these sources?

Ivan Capelli during the race and the paddock interview post race. I don't know if it has been written somewhere in an article, i don't think so, i was watching the race and they said what i've written few post ago.

However not fully reliable at RAI

Note: rai stays for television is not raikkonen

[zike]

But I think that this season, if we can not win, should be used as a test ground, trying to make the car better and better race after race.......something like RB in 09

[sachin]

No believing in rumors,whether its B or C spec,whatever upgrades Ferrari bring,they should make us real fast and not bring those upgrades that lead to embarrassment.

:pray

[zike]

Helmut marko says that much of the progress made by ferrari in china was due to a new shell fuel.

hahahahahahaha, yes Shell gave us rocket fuel :lol

[windwaves]

yes, that is confirmed somewhere else by Gian Carlo Minardi.

He believes continued improvements are expected from fuel research. This was actually very much discussed pre-season, that is, how Ferrari was counting on certain developments in the works at Shell.

And of course Helmut fails to mention that another big piece of the progress is a guy named Alonso.

But, yes, not much really otherwise in terms of the car development, yet.

[zike]

yes, that is confirmed somewhere else by Gian Carlo Minardi.

He believes continued improvements are expected from fuel research. This was actually very much discussed pre-season, that is, how Ferrari was counting on certain developments in the works at Shell.

And of course Helmut fails to mention that another big piece of the progress is a guy named Alonso.

But, yes, not much really otherwise in terms of the car development, yet.

cool, cant wait Barcelona :-D

[DIEK]

http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-China-Shanghai-19-April-2014-fotoshowBigImage-53dbea6a-772571.jpg


https://31.media.tumblr.com/bdb2fe04238886997723132553418622/tumblr_n48dzoeJUe1s9l8tco8_500.gif

[Rosso Corsa]

And of course Helmut fails to mention that another big piece of the progress is a guy named Alonso.


What progress did Fernando bring? I think you meant to say the progress that Stefano orchestrated, that allowed Fernando's sensational driving skills to count for more points :-)

[mrnl]

Racing in F1 is a team exercise so yesterday's result was due to management, engineers, suppliers, drivers and mechanics alike. Anyways, good effort. But no one stands still and Barcelona is crucial. Update will be significant as is expected but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a B spec as there's nothing fundamentally flawed in the "A spec".

[FerrariF60]

Racing in F1 is a team exercise so yesterday's result was due to management, engineers, suppliers, drivers and mechanics alike. Anyways, good effort. But no one stands still and Barcelona is crucial. Update will be significant as is expected but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a B spec as there's nothing fundamentally flawed in the "A spec".


exactly, the A spec car is just fine...it just needs to be a bit more fine tuned as well as getting more power from teh ERS so that finally we can run it at 100%

[RedPassion]

exactly, the A spec car is just fine...it just needs to be a bit more fine tuned as well as getting more power from teh ERS so that finally we can run it at 100%
Spot on!We have finally a very good car on the aerodynamical point of view,proof that the new wind tunnel and the new methologies work and that our technical direction is working fine, working only on the areas of the car that really bring performance avoiding wasting resources.

[Nero Horse]

If in Spain we could make a similar big step forward as we did in the 2012 season then we could definitely be on par with Merc, or perhaps even faster. And these 3 weeks should certainly be enough time to make such a big leap forward. Realistically I know that it's going to be very difficult to catch Merc, but after the nice improvement we made in China I don't think it's totally unrealistic to hope that we can catch or at least be very close to Merc in Spain. All the naysayers will of course say that it won't happen, but I'm still hoping and if the team keeps working really hard and brings good, efficient updates to Spain, then I honestly can't see any reason why we shouldn't be able to catch Merc. It's doable!

[windwaves]

What progress did Fernando bring? I think you meant to say the progress that Stefano orchestrated, that allowed Fernando's sensational driving skills to count for more points :-)

Absolutely not what I mean.

SD is the reason we lost titles that were for us to take.
FA is how Ferrari managed to save a bit of face in spite of repeated management failures and an inferior car.

The good nees is SD is finally history and FA is still with us, driving incredibly well as he can and as motivated as ever with new management.

[Majki2111]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbN_hsFx8Xo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NImumEW7QvI

[bonzo]

If in Spain we could make a similar big step forward as we did in the 2012 season then we could definitely be on par with Merc, or perhaps even faster. And these 3 weeks should certainly be enough time to make such a big leap forward. Realistically I know that it's going to be very difficult to catch Merc, but after the nice improvement we made in China I don't think it's totally unrealistic to hope that we can catch or at least be very close to Merc in Spain. All the naysayers will of course say that it won't happen, but I'm still hoping and if the team keeps working really hard and brings good, efficient updates to Spain, then I honestly can't see any reason why we shouldn't be able to catch Merc. It's doable!
Yes, of course, and especially if Merc start downgrading development:thumb

[Gould]

Helmut marko says

I'll start listening to that fool when hell freezes over LOL

[Nero Horse]

Yes, of course, and especially if Merc start downgrading development:thumb

Regardless of what Merc does, we can still catch them, all we need is to bring better updates than them, it's as simple as that. And getting our PU to work on full power would certainly help a lot as well.

[PadGeT]

http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Ferrari-Formel-1-GP-China-Shanghai-19-April-2014-fotoshowBigImage-53dbea6a-772571.jpg

The shape at which the duct exits out of the front axle baffles me. Its pointing towards the front wing. Is it because the shape of airflow is being determined by its position round the axle ?
I was under the false impression that FIA tried to clamp down when teams were using brake ducts and wheelnuts as aero devices. The thing that Red Bull RB8 was not allowed to do was put holes around the edge of the wheel nut , because then its becoming a movable aero device which is a big 'no no' in F1 at present. And the Williams thing was abandoned due to its effect on coanda at the back. A reasonable amt. of development has already been carried on by several teams keeping in mind that its going to benefit the outwash with the reduced FW width in 2014.
All in all, nice bit of aero upgrade by Ferrari. But i still don't get the design of the duct and it asymmetry. Again since the axle is moving, wont this still be another movable aero device?
I remember in F10, the wheelnut was doing some movable aero performance too. Here is a pic - https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQu0R7Fu_9D0QzEyQgdNtCnYasgixV-v4HHHlJ_cUhxR7_oeteF

https://31.media.tumblr.com/bdb2fe04238886997723132553418622/tumblr_n48dzoeJUe1s9l8tco8_500.gif
From the gif, it does look to me increasingly that the duct is moving. Can anyone confirm.

[mark p]

Well Merc is obviously ahead with the engine. Not only the power, but the power delivery as well and that improves driveability. That's why they have great traction out of slow corners probably. But it won't help you in high speed turns, thats where aero comes. And as they look smoother, with less corrections, they have bigger downforce than us. Not by as huge margin as they are better in the engine department though.

Sounds in line with my thoughts. Ferrari have said they need to catch up in a few areas so cannot be all pu. I had a guestimate 90 percent pu the rest other areas? (Not accurate but i hope you get where i am coming from.)

[DIEK]

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/917/1178.html

http://www.formula1.com/wi/full/ta_article/ta_article_1178.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/full/ta_article/ta_article_1178.jpg

Ferrari introduced a new front axle and brake duct assembly in Shanghai that bleeds airflow from the brake cooling duct through a duct in the centre of the axle. The idea is to direct this airflow through the axle so that it exits just behind the front tyre, into a low pressure area where the flow is coming away from the ground. When working correctly, this concept will make brake cooling much more efficient and will also reduce the overall drag of the car. However, it is by no means a new idea - Williams used it in 2013 and Red Bull currently run a similar system.



http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/0/1173.html

http://www.formula1.com/wi/full/ta_article/ta_article_1173.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/wi/full/ta_article/ta_article_1173.jpg

Locating the internal combustion engine on a 2014 Formula One car is akin to finding a needle in a hay stack, but beneath all those ducts and coolers there really is a 1600cc V6. This drawing highlights the key elements of the engine packaging and illustrates why maintaining these cars is so much more work than in previous seasons.
1: Where the exhaust's primary pipes meet up into the tail pipe.
2: The connection from the tail pipe to the turbo.
3: With the engine sitting so low in the chassis, Mercedes have included this raised stiffening rib between the front engine-to-chassis mounting and the interface between the engine and gearbox. This helps maximise torsional stiffness, something vitally important to an F1 car's performance, as the cornering loads from the front to rear axles are all fed through the chassis and engine.
4: One of the many coolers required to maintain the temperatures of the hydraulic oil, gearbox oil, engine oil, water, ERS battery pack and control unit and the intercooler for the forced induction system.
5: A small duct that connects to an exit hole in the top of the engine cover, to assist in cooling one of the many components beneath.
6: A further duct and cooler, probably the gearbox cooler based on its size.
7: The connection from the cold side of the turbo to the airbox itself, where the air pressurised by the turbo is fed into the engine.


http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/

[evo_spook]

Sounds in line with my thoughts. Ferrari have said they need to catch up in a few areas so cannot be all pu. I had a guestimate 90 percent pu the rest other areas? (Not accurate but i hope you get where i am coming from.)

When they mention 90 percent, its not in terms off power, I think some people misunderstand that, I think its more in terms of efficiency which as you say includes traction

[Bertie]

If we see the monkey seat reappear on the car it would suggest we have solved our power issues. I think we are sacrificing this piece to reduce drag, allowing us to be semi-ok on the long straights. The lack of monkey seat may be the reason for reduced traction as its primary role is to extract more air from the diffuser creating more downforce at low speeds and a more stable car. At the moment we can't afford to run a monket seat as we would be sitting ducks on the straights. If we can extract more PU performance we could run a monkey seat which would improve the traction and handling. Front wing changes could also yeild huge gains it seems our front wing lacks complexity and we have not updated it significantly for a while. Compared to other teams it seems less complex in my opinion it looks like we have had to comprimise downforce for drag in this area also as we have gone for a more slippery design. This could be to compensate for low rear downforce and to reduce drag generally or most likely both.

We probablly have a whole load of new parts to produce more downforce that we can't use because the drag penalty is too high for the PU deficiency. There is alot more potential in the car and and the key is sorting the PU, the snowball affect of this could bring seconds not tenths!

[Muhammad Ansib]

If we see the monkey seat reappear on the car it would suggest we have solved our power issues. I think we are sacrificing this piece to reduce drag, allowing us to be semi-ok on the long straights. The lack of monkey seat may be the reason for reduced traction as its primary role is to extract more air from the diffuser creating more downforce at low speeds and a more stable car. At the moment we can't afford to run a monket seat as we would be sitting ducks on the straights. If we can extract more PU performance we could run a monkey seat which would improve the traction and handling. Front wing changes could also yeild huge gains it seems our front wing lacks complexity and we have not updated it significantly for a while. Compared to other teams it seems less complex in my opinion it looks like we have had to comprimise downforce for drag in this area also as we have gone for a more slippery design. This could be to compensate for low rear downforce and to reduce drag generally or most likely both.

We probablly have a whole load of new parts to produce more downforce that we can't use because the drag penalty is too high for the PU deficiency. There is alot more potential in the car and and the key is sorting the PU, the snowball affect of this could bring seconds not tenths!

Spot on, Also I heard James Allison saying previously that the learning curve is very steep for these new F1 cars and gains are going to be huge IA hopefully..Also JamesAllen said that Mercedes might will IA (hopefully for us) face diminishing returns but its just a possiblity.

[PadGeT]

If we see the monkey seat reappear on the car it would suggest we have solved our power issues. I think we are sacrificing this piece to reduce drag, allowing us to be semi-ok on the long straights. The lack of monkey seat may be the reason for reduced traction as its primary role is to extract more air from the diffuser creating more downforce at low speeds and a more stable car. At the moment we can't afford to run a monket seat as we would be sitting ducks on the straights. If we can extract more PU performance we could run a monkey seat which would improve the traction and handling. Front wing changes could also yeild huge gains it seems our front wing lacks complexity and we have not updated it significantly for a while. Compared to other teams it seems less complex in my opinion it looks like we have had to comprimise downforce for drag in this area also as we have gone for a more slippery design. This could be to compensate for low rear downforce and to reduce drag generally or most likely both.

We probablly have a whole load of new parts to produce more downforce that we can't use because the drag penalty is too high for the PU deficiency. There is alot more potential in the car and and the key is sorting the PU, the snowball affect of this could bring seconds not tenths!

The monkey seat or the infamous "Y75 winglet" is not der as a cheap D/F generator, as you think. I think L/D ratio of it is way worse than to a beam wing for its low aspect ratio. So it can be safely be assumed its not there as source of d/f. Its more sophisticated than that, I believe.

http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Lewis-Hamilton-McLaren-Formel-1-Test-Barcelona-4-Maerz-2012-fotoshowImage-682db2d9-574988.jpg

Here, Maccas placed the device on the beam wing itself. The distances with main wing, beam wing and diffuser are all pretty similar. So your theory as acting as an extraction augmentor may be possible. I doubt they act as beam wing performance. Diffuser extraction might be minimal too, cause the less AoA diffusers ending plane have nowadays. Next we have the main wing. Its here I believe the device is most beneficial. The device's shape and AoA decides the way the flow at the bottom of main wing flap (low pressure) is energised and helps in reattatchment of any possible separation. The upwash would help the centre of main wing workin at higher AoA than might be possible for the relatively turbulent air behind.

http://thejudge13.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/picture-11-ferrari-f14-t-monkey-seat.png

The beam wing worked more efficiently as a diffuser extraction augmentor, imo. But with the removal of beam wing now, teams have to bolt it on the rear crash structure, which makes it have lower aspect ratio as you can in Ferrari's. case So if u see a rear monkey set, it means teams are trying to extract more performance out of their rear wing Since they have poor D/F extraction capabilities from their RW alone.
Red BUll's Monkey is a solution thats working the diffuser harder as it was the first one to be located below the exhaust positioning centre line. Haven't yet figured out its intricate working. Might be that with no end plate (better A/R), they are trying to let the tip vortices be rolled underneath to create more acclerating airflow under the diffuser.http://www.formula1.com/wi/full/ta_article/ta_article_1156.jpg

[abbottcostello]

Was wondering if it would be possible for Ferrari (& Renault for that matter) would be trying to change their Turbo/MGU-H configuration to get the benefits Mercedes are realizing?

According to Formula1 website technical section about the Mercedes PU "retro fitting a similar solution will be very difficult for the other power unit manufacturers." ( http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/917/1176.html ).

Not exactly what I was hoping to hear, hope Ferrari can prove that statement wrong! Even better if they had it copied by Barcelona. One can only hope!:pray

[mark p]

When they mention 90 percent, its not in terms off power, I think some people misunderstand that, I think its more in terms of efficiency which as you say includes traction

Appreciated. I meant the proportion of where the car needs to improve. I should not have quoted a percentage I meant the car will mainly improve on the pu and to a lesser extent the aero but it probably needs to improve in both.

[F1NAC]

Was wondering if it would be possible for Ferrari (& Renault for that matter) would be trying to change their Turbo/MGU-H configuration to get the benefits Mercedes are realizing?

According to Formula1 website technical section about the Mercedes PU "retro fitting a similar solution will be very difficult for the other power unit manufacturers." ( http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/917/1176.html ).

Not exactly what I was hoping to hear, hope Ferrari can prove that statement wrong! Even better if they had it copied by Barcelona. One can only hope!:pray

they can't do that, PU are frozen!!!

[abbottcostello]

they can't do that, PU are frozen!!!

Changes for reliability or safety are acceptable. I think even with my limited F1 knowledge, I could manage to make a case for increased reliability for "isolating the MGU-H & compressor side of turbo both from the exhaust side of the turbo. Also, not sure if those parts fall under the engine homologation yet.

[F1NAC]

Changes for reliability or safety are acceptable. I think even with my limited F1 knowledge, I could manage to make a case for increased reliability for "isolating the MGU-H & compressor side of turbo both from the exhaust side of the turbo. Also, not sure if those parts fall under the engine homologation yet.

MGU h MGU k TC, ICE are all under homologation because they are called Power Unit, it isn't only engine frozen engine is just a part of PU

[SinanOzerS]

http://www.f1times.co.uk/news/cache/images/ferrari-tech-blow.gif

[medeni73]

According to Autosprint (http://autosprint.corrieredellosport.it/2014/04/21/ferrari-red-bull-e-gia-guerra-di-sviluppi/14870/)
Ferrari will also introduce new nose (beeing already crash-tested) in Spain...

[zike]

According to Autosprint (http://autosprint.corrieredellosport.it/2014/04/21/ferrari-red-bull-e-gia-guerra-di-sviluppi/14870/)
Ferrari will also introduce new nose (beeing already crash-tested) in Spain...


I just hope that the new aero parts and the engine at 100% will bring us extramly close to Merc

[7mi]

I wish we could get rid of that ugly nose by Spain..

[SinanOzerS]

I wish we could get rid of that ugly nose by Spain..

I hope so.

[AfterLife]

I wish we could get rid of that ugly nose by Spain..

Mercedes and Ferrari have the most beautiful nose on the grid. Now if Ferrari are going to introduce a new nose i doubt it will be beautiful.

Edit: I guess that the nose will be the same with some lets say refinements.

[Nero Horse]

Mercedes and Ferrari have the most beautiful nose on the grid.

Totally agree with that. I don't understand at all why some people keep complaining about our nose. The car, including the nose, looks absolutely gorgeous and under these regulations it's the best possible solution for the nose design. It's a real blessing that we didn't choose to go with the ridiculous dildo nose design like some others did. I must say that I even like this low nose more than the high noses of previous years. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the way our car/car's nose looks.

[DIEK]

https://twitter.com/AMorteF/status/458517313307033600
(Vía f1technical) pic.twitter.com/Cr4dt1Qx6I (http://t.co/Cr4dt1Qx6I)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Blz7ESHIgAAcJS2.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Blz7ESHIgAAcJS2.jpg:large

[PadGeT]

Totally agree with that. I don't understand at all why some people keep complaining about our nose. The car, including the nose, looks absolutely gorgeous and under these regulations it's the best possible solution for the nose design. It's a real blessing that we didn't choose to go with the ridiculous dildo nose design like some others did. I must say that I even like this low nose more than the high noses of previous years. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the way our car/car's nose looks.
Because they dont know how to potray their anger towards Stefano? :roll

[tifosi1993]

Crash test will be happening this week.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31.0-8/1911297_426346640835123_6831138627897539875_o.jpg

[Majki2111]

I think taht is just from one user from f1technical...

[Majki2111]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGS_1zleGQU

[Hornet]

Crash test will be happening this week.


That looks really ugly, lol. Bad photoshop work I hope

[PadGeT]

Lol isnt that Mers nose solution ?

[Nero Horse]

Crash test will be happening this week.

Oh maaan, that's some bad CGI :lol

[tifosi1993]

That looks really ugly, lol. Bad photoshop work I hope

Its a random concept nose from f1news.it

[mrnl]

That nose is so not going make it on the car. I can understand why people are speculating as Mercedes have a similar BUT definitely not the same aero configuration. In any case, the nose is not a huge differentiating factor and its doing its job fine so wouldn't expect anything major there. While we're on it, the graphic representing the blown wheel nut is not correct either, it's sole purpose is to aid outwash and can't do what is shown on the picture ;)

Re. Barcelona, we all know that all teams bring major upgrades when the European leg of the season kicks in. Hopefully we can improve performance relatively to what other do. So think along the lines of wings and floor space around the sidepods, plus some internal optimisation and another software update.

[diesel08]

Italian card information with a totally transformed and Ferrari can be seen in Barcelona. The Italians are the Auto Sprint , according to information in Spain a new design will be available for orrkúppal that allegedly have also gone through the mandatory crash test. These innovations included the new leader of the wing, spoiler, new floor, and a modified rear wing will arrive. The Speedweek addition, the rear suspension according továbbfejelesztésén Maranello has been working well - is said to McLaren receiving more downforce producing wing profile can test. But do not stop engine room: although the development of resources have been frozen before the start of the tournament, having to increase the reliability of the FIA's permission can be changed according to the news of Renault after Ferrari also innovates - such as motor control as well....

[PadGeT]

wow, after Bahrain everyone seemed so desperate to see Ferrari stop for 2014 and work on 2015. what happened now?

[Rob]

Ferrari F14 T - blown wheel hubs20 April 2014
http://i57.tinypic.com/2rc3khw.jpg
Ferrari introduced a new front axle and brake duct assembly in Shanghai that bleeds airflow from the brake cooling duct through a duct in the centre of the axle. The idea is to direct this airflow through the axle so that it exits just behind the front tyre, into a low pressure area where the flow is coming away from the ground. When working correctly, this concept will make brake cooling much more efficient and will also reduce the overall drag of the car. However, it is by no means a new idea - Williams used it in 2013 and Red Bull currently run a similar system.

[mkable1370]

I just hope that the new aero parts and the engine at 100% will bring us extramly close to Merc


If Autosprint is to be believed, then Ferrari are already crash-testing a new nose and have also received FIA approval for PU modifications based on improving reliability.

A rough Bing translation of yesterday's Autosprint article:


The fourth round of the World Championship, the challenge of non-Mercedes, went to Ferrari. The Red Bull so far had been higher, but Alonso in Shanghai took a podium that the same men of Milton Keynes believed unattainable.

"If we had different strategies would not be easy to stand in front of Fernando – admits in fact Christian Horner – which had a much higher straightline speed".

Between the two teams is already aerodynamic challenge, in view of Barcelona. Adrian Newey was not in China, because preparing for RB10 innovations. And even Ferrari, finally, not sleeping. On F14T expects a revamped aerodynamics including a modified nose that is already facing a crash-test.
It must be considered that neither Ferrari nor Red Bull can change too many things on the engine, due to the "freezing" to projects in force since 28 February. But the two OEMs have sought and received by the Fia granted some interventions (as per rule) on the basis of reliability and performance. Renault has already changed the lubrication circuit of turbo, the tree of the Mgu-K and exhaust notes. Ferrari has also worked on the mappings.

The difference in speed on the straight view in Shanghai in favour of red (not in the race, but that depends on scie and DRS) is explained by a reduction in aerodynamic drag, due for example to changes on brakes and hubs took F14 T. Both the teams will work on this aspect in order to compensate for the shortcomings of their respective engines. At the moment the F14 T is favoured on the straights and the RB10 under traction, while the fast curves are both pretty good.

Alberto Antonini

[Stormsearcher]

I wish we could get rid of that ugly nose by Spain..

I think its a nice nose. It has a certain aggressiveness to it. :-)

[PadGeT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGS_1zleGQU
:clap
Gosh, there is some serious pace difference in corners between Maccas and Ferrari, I love it. Long may this continue. Hope Sam stays there in Macca and makes Prodromou inefficient like him. (wishful thinking I know!!)

[Majki2111]

I think Magnussen was on old tyres.

[PadGeT]

I think Magnussen was on old tyres.

Good point, I didn't consider that. :-P haven't yet watched the race.

[Winter]

I think Magnussen was on old tyres.

Yes, if I remember right, Lotus overtake Mangust right after that..

[Gould]

Its a random concept nose from f1news.it

Looks a lot like the Merc nose with the SF paintjob photoshopped onto it. Something we'll see on the F-14T?

[PadGeT]

While we're on it, the graphic representing the blown wheel nut is not correct either, it's sole purpose is to aid outwash and can't do what is shown on the picture ;)



The graphic shoes the outwash effect by the open ended wheel nut. I don't get what you saw incorrect in the graphic.

[LAROSA SpA]

100% photoshop look at the pylon connections, kerning not matching, asphalt between the nose and the wing, the twisted shape of the italian flag & the poor cut lines around the fw

[zike]

twin-tusked nose in Spain or Merc style nose?

[AfterLife]

twin-tusked nose in Spain or Merc style nose?

If the rumors were true, hopefully the second one.

[AfterLife]

If the Ferrari's new Shell fuel rumor was true, i wonder how RedBull have that info!?

[alonso888]

If the Ferrari's new Shell fuel rumor was true, i wonder how RedBull have that info!?

What rumors? :O

[gjoko-mkd]

That our pace in China was better that Bahrain thanks to new Shell fuel

[Gould]

It can't be all fuel. In Bahrain we sucked and in China we ruled. Although new fuel undoubtedly helped, the other aero/PU changes have been very good for us.

[Majki2111]

http://www.marca.com/2014/04/23/motor/formula1/1398241748.html
Ferrari is making changes to his car to get to catch up with the Mercedes. After the podium made ​​by Fernando Alonso for the 'Scuderia' in the GP of China , I follow the changes in the F14-T for the GP of Spain.
As reported by La Gazzetta dello Sport, the Italian team hopes to get closer to Mercedes start to the season after a somewhat complicated. Members of Ferrari are optimistic due to better performance of F14-T in China, and continued improvement Montmeló.
The improvements come taken by the same engineer that developed for the Chinese GP, James Allison, and would consist of different aspects as reported by the Italian newspaper.
In Shanghai, the F14-T won a high speed with a profile of the rear wing worked best in a straight line, especially with the DRS; and also improved the tensile load due to some new parts as front brake conduits.
Regarding the body, in Montmeló, the car incorporated a backward and high nose which should favor the aerodynamics and also lead an evolution in its engine, which would harmonize the relationship with electronics.
Also, tired of criticism for their poor performance Räikkönen at the start of the season, Ferrari will try that electronics is 'softer' for the Finn, trying to accommodate your F14-T restilo pilot.

[PadGeT]

twin-tusked nose in Spain or Merc style nose?

Neither.. eeewww!! :-D

[PadGeT]

http://www.marca.com/2014/04/23/motor/formula1/1398241748.html
Ferrari is making changes to his car to get to catch up with the Mercedes. After the podium made ​​by Fernando Alonso for the 'Scuderia' in the GP of China , I follow the changes in the F14-T for the GP of Spain.
As reported by La Gazzetta dello Sport, the Italian team hopes to get closer to Mercedes start to the season after a somewhat complicated. Members of Ferrari are optimistic due to better performance of F14-T in China, and continued improvement Montmeló.
The improvements come taken by the same engineer that developed for the Chinese GP, James Allison, and would consist of different aspects as reported by the Italian newspaper.
In Shanghai, the F14-T won a high speed with a profile of the rear wing worked best in a straight line, especially with the DRS; and also improved the tensile load due to some new parts as front brake conduits.
Regarding the body, in Montmeló, the car incorporated a backward and high nose which should favor the aerodynamics and also lead an evolution in its engine, which would harmonize the relationship with electronics.
Also, tired of criticism for their poor performance Räikkönen at the start of the season, Ferrari will try that electronics is 'softer' for the Finn, trying to accommodate your F14-T restilo pilot.

So, no nose change and a new CE for Kimi's car. :thumb
Also, Marko maybe right about fuel !

[Nova]

Thats what I like to hear, constant development. I dont understand what is meant by "a backward and high nose" though.

[PadGeT]

Thats what I like to hear, constant development. I dont understand what is meant by "a backward and high nose" though.

Mercs solution ?!?!?! ;-)

[sweeper1101]

IMO
"High rake", rear end would be higher and the central nose configuration will be changed to a higher profile to accommodate more air under the car.

[bondilad]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/more-changes-at-ferrari-after-domenicali-exit/

German-language Speed Week reports that Ferrari plans to debut a Mercedes-style short front nose at the Spanish Grand Prix next month.

The article also says that ferrari are insisting the suppliers to cut the waiting times for new parts.

[zike]

5844

This looks nice

[PadGeT]

It looks nice, but tell me how the air above gonna be spilled over and pushed down to underneath the front crash structure. IIrc , that was what Ferrari were trying to do with their nose design. None of the designs seem to take care, Also it isn't about how much air u channel to the diffuser, its also about cleaner flow.

[stefa]

5844

This looks nice

It looks nice, but nice isn't always the best (fastest) solution...

[Muhammad Ansib]

We may need a new nosecone and a massive improvement on the front wing development cuz Look at the Mecedes, Redbull or even McLaren's Front wing..they are just so much more evolved than ours, ours is the one carried forward from last year with different endplates.

[Muhammad Ansib]

It looks nice, but nice isn't always the best (fastest) solution...

and the car in the photo appears to have push rod front suspension.. or is it just me?

[PadGeT]

Gary Anderson explains the wheel hub blowing :

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2gso3yh.jpg
via Autosport

[SinanOzerS]

PitLaneTalk @pitlanetalk
"Ferrari have massive update for Spain: new nose, front wing, floor, rear wing, sidepods, engine cover and software gain of 10/15 HP. #F1 (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23F1&src=hash)"

[PadGeT]

PitLaneTalk @pitlanetalk
"Ferrari have massive update for Spain: new nose, front wing, floor, rear wing, sidepods, engine cover and software gain of 10/15 HP. #F1 (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23F1&src=hash)"

:-ZZ

[Stebandelareina]

I hope so, but to be honest, the "b" model 0.4 faster in Barcelona is something that use to be writen every year since 2009.
I don't think that we have such amount of parts to barcelona. Is almost imposible to check if everything works in the FP1-2, or if it works together, while you make the setup to qualy and race.
In China we introduce some small parts, that worked perfectly. Thats the way of work right now. The B model thing, huge, massive changes is from the past. The Fiorano era, when we test a lot and we can change the whole car in the middle of the season.

Or maybe our windtunel/simulator problems are really solved and we have some idea of the functionality of the package.

[ManFromMilan]

PitLaneTalk @pitlanetalk
"Ferrari have massive update for Spain: new nose, front wing, floor, rear wing, sidepods, engine cover and software gain of 10/15 HP. #F1 (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23F1&src=hash)"



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[Ophidian786]

I hope so, but to be honest, the "b" model 0.4 faster in Barcelona is something that use to be writen every year since 2009.
I don't think that we have such amount of parts to barcelona. Is almost imposible to check if everything works in the FP1-2, or if it works together, while you make the setup to qualy and race.
In China we introduce some small parts, that worked perfectly. Thats the way of work right now. The B model thing, huge, massive changes is from the past. The Fiorano era, when we test a lot and we can change the whole car in the middle of the season.

Or maybe our windtunel/simulator problems are really solved and we have some idea of the functionality of the package.

The new wind tunnel is fully operational and I recall reports later last year that Ferrari spent a lot of money on simulators and hired De La Rosa for the same.

I am hoping for the best, but fully aware that others will bring similar improvements - thus a minimalistic net gain.

[mrnl]

This season it's important to have regular mid to high range of updates for the European leg at least. Firstly, there is a lot more developmental scope than usual and secondly rivals are progressing fast as well. In that sense, small updates will not take you far,and yes, relatively speaking it would be less of a gain than in absolute terms as other teams don't stand still.

The good thing is that now as the correlation troubles are gone and we have managed to verify the first batch of updates on track, that facilitates a fast development rate. Ferrari has historically had such, apart from the past few years when the WT problems were present. So hopefully, that can keep up and things go according to plan I.e. The results on track match the optimism from simulation so far.

[Hornet]

While it's true that our competitors will bring upgrades as well, IF it is also true that our power unit has more potential to be unlocked, then maybe we'll be able to make bigger progress and catch up with Merc.

[mrnl]

True, that's always the aim. However, PU - wise, I think that some of the deficit may not be recovered during this season. I can't say for sure as I'm not an engine engineer myself, but there will definitely be some structural changes implemented for next year during the allowed free development time. But the same goes for all engine manufacturers, Mercedes included, and the difference in performance by the end of the year shouldn't be that significant, perhaps around 10 to 20 bhp.

[Nero Horse]

I hope so, but to be honest, the "b" model 0.4 faster in Barcelona is something that use to be writen every year since 2009.
I don't think that we have such amount of parts to barcelona. Is almost imposible to check if everything works in the FP1-2, or if it works together, while you make the setup to qualy and race.
In China we introduce some small parts, that worked perfectly. Thats the way of work right now. The B model thing, huge, massive changes is from the past. The Fiorano era, when we test a lot and we can change the whole car in the middle of the season.

Or maybe our windtunel/simulator problems are really solved and we have some idea of the functionality of the package.

At this point I would like to remind you of the 2012 season when we gained almost a full second in Spain with all the new updates. So it's not impossible at all to make big gains with the right set of updates.

[Stebandelareina]

I don't say that it's impossible, I say that it's dangeorus bring big packages without testing it first. Because, as it happends at the end of 2012 and 2013, if something doesn't works, other thing of the package are desestimated.

I think that is positive the hard work and the developing, but I think that is better be prudent and for the tifosis, keep the feets in the ground.

Of course, if we gain 0.4 in barcelona, it would be nice, but for me is better gain 0.2 in every race, with a good pace of developing, instead of big changes. But I asume that if the engineers do that is because they think that the package would work

Otherwise, before australia they said that we have a very agressive plan of developing. Maybe is just like Merc with their nose, and we didn't have time to start the championship with that configuration of nose, fw and floor

[Nero Horse]

Does anyone know, are we using FRIC and if we're not then is Merc still using it? :Hmm

[Kiwi Nick]

What is the current (post China) count on PU components used? Are we getting dangerously close to the point where penalties will begin to be assessed?

[stefa]

PitLaneTalk @pitlanetalk
"Ferrari have massive update for Spain: new nose, front wing, floor, rear wing, sidepods, engine cover and software gain of 10/15 HP. #F1 (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23F1&src=hash)"

I will not have high hopes until I see it and I see it works!

[diesel08]

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[Hornet]

What is the current (post China) count on PU components used? Are we getting dangerously close to the point where penalties will begin to be assessed?

The table posted a few pages back shows we are on our 2nd set for all of the components, except Kimi's CE (control electronics I think) is 3rd.

Most teams are on their 2nd ones according to that table, except a couple I think still on their 1st turbo compressor.

So I think we're safe.

[Nero Horse]

I will not have high hopes until I see it and I see it works!

Yes, same here. I mean yes of course it would be absolutely wonderful if all these big updates would be at Barcelona and giving us a huge boost, but unfortunately we have seen and heard such rumors before and they haven't always turned out to be true :roll ...so it's best to try to keep our feet on the ground and wait at least till the FP1 is over and then see what new updates we have on and where we are compared to the others.

[sachin]

We may need a new nosecone and a massive improvement on the front wing development cuz Look at the Mecedes, Redbull or even McLaren's Front wing..they are just so much more evolved than ours, ours is the one carried forward from last year with different endplates.

Yeah absolutely true,Mercs end plates look from a different era than ours.
But hope we do something about the PU,,and if rumors that Ferrari not running PU at full power are true,then it's a shame.
We need it at 100%:pray

[wacc]

We may need a new nosecone and a massive improvement on the front wing development cuz Look at the Mecedes, Redbull or even McLaren's Front wing..they are just so much more evolved than ours, ours is the one carried forward from last year with different endplates.

Why do you think that McLarens FW is better? It is not so long they had the simplest FW of all and it has not been anything special since then...
FW is evolution of last year but so is RedBull's or Mercedes'.

[Majki2111]

So where is Ferrari better than others? Less drag? Better engine cover or sidepods?

[stefa]

So where is Ferrari better than others? Less drag? Better engine cover or sidepods?

Judging on results from races so far this season, I don't see where Ferrari is better than others...?! :-)

[stefa]

Yes, same here. I mean yes of course it would be absolutely wonderful if all these big updates would be at Barcelona and giving us a huge boost, but unfortunately we have seen and heard such rumors before and they haven't always turned out to be true :roll ...so it's best to try to keep our feet on the ground and wait at least till the FP1 is over and then see what new updates we have on and where we are compared to the others.

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[Majki2111]

Judging on results from races so far this season, I don't see where Ferrari is better than others...?! :-)
NA looking from behaving on the car... :)

[Hornet]

Judging on results from races so far this season, I don't see where Ferrari is better than others...?! :-)

We can only guess what it is, but we surely have to have some advantages over most our rivals which allows us to perform better in certain tracks. We got completely beaten by all the Merc powered cars in Bahrain, but we did better in Sepang and China, this to me, shows that we have some strength that comes in to play at certain track. Could be aero downforce or something.

If we do not have anything better than others, we would have been miserable at all tracks.

[Gould]

I never thought I'd see a 2014 reg car look pretty but that looks awesome!!!


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This looks nice

[Muhammad Ansib]

Why do you think that McLarens FW is better? It is not so long they had the simplest FW of all and it has not been anything special since then...
FW is evolution of last year but so is RedBull's or Mercedes'.

McLaren's wing has differing Cascading elements than us. Redbull and Mercedes have launched 2 new variants at bahrain and China. we have none!

[abbottcostello]

Sounds like we have same wing from last year, cut 75mm off the ends, stuck on some 'simple' endplates & voila...

Things I read on different sites tell me another story. Here from 24-Jan-14: http://www.racecar-engineering.com/cars/ferrari-f14-t/

We finished as 'best of the rest' in China, with the pressure mounting in Maranello to cut the internal gridlock & bring more updates, I'm hopeful to see the car steadily improving.

I just hate the wait, but that is time for them to develop :lou, carry on Ferrari & give us a pleasant surprise for Catalunya!

[mark p]

Why do you think that McLarens FW is better? It is not so long they had the simplest FW of all and it has not been anything special since then...
FW is evolution of last year but so is RedBull's or Mercedes'.

Yeah. McLaren have huge issues at the front end. Their excuse last race was this at a front limited track. It may look nice but it does not work. They might as well attach pamela anderson in her prime to the nose pilons and use her as a front wing. Would look good but crap for car aero. Probably better than what they have got. To be good COPY NOTHING FROM MCLAREN if anything do the opposite.

[Winter]

We may need a new nosecone and a massive improvement on the front wing development cuz Look at the Mecedes, Redbull or even McLaren's Front wing..they are just so much more evolved than ours, ours is the one carried forward from last year with different endplates.

Front wing has to work with rest of the car too. Maybe our car doesn't need so complex front wing that Mercedes does.