2013 Abu Dhabi: Qualifying thread

[Forzi]

Let's get it on!

[Greig]

Let's go, lower temps might change things around with some luck :-)

[shamim179]

I'm hoping at least one of our drivers to make it to Q3. That would be some achievement considering our pace.

I don't think we were disguising our pace. That pace in fp3 is very indicative.

[Forzi]

Already 5C down to what we had in FP3.

[fratelliferrari]

Best of luck to our guys!

[Forzi]

Odd that many are going with the hards.

[SinanOzerS]

Fernando is absolutely fighting with the car.

[radosav]

We need to stay calm!

[Jas]

Odd in Q3...is this going to happen, its so bad its laughable!

[tifosi1993]

Already 5C down to what we had in FP3.

Which is a good news for us.

[Jas]

*out

[Greig]

So where is all the moaners from the practice thread now?

[Jas]

we do like to leave it late don't we...track evolution massive!

[fratelliferrari]

Pff my hands are sweating

[Jas]

So where is all the moaners from the practice thread now?

I think this week they have an excuse, we have been dismal to say the least!

[Ed Harley]

Twitchy perhaps but the speed is there. At least in the Q1.

[Greig]

I think this week they have an excuse, we have been dismal to say the least!

In sessions that are not relevant to qual and the race though.

[Jas]

sky analysing massa off track in final corner despite everyone else...great work sky...not!

[Aberracus]

So we have been sandbagging Greig?

Or we have been lucky with the temp and track grip improvement?

Anyway I take it, amazing!

[Jas]

very close times, last lap run will be very important!

[FerrariF60]

WE're still a long way's down compared to others...so i think P8, P9 is about all we can squeeze out in Q3 out of this MULE this weekend

[Kyss4k]

In sessions that are not relevant to qual and the race though.

Right, they are doing quali simulations, but it's not relevant at all... Only it always was. It could be Ferrari sandbagging for the first time this season, condition working for us, or just others not going flat out while we did. Let's wait and see, but it did look tragic in FP3 which mostly match whith what we see in quali.

[Greig]

So we have been sandbagging Greig?

Or we have been lucky with the temp and track grip improvement?

Anyway I take it, amazing!

Track temps were obviously going to drop for qual and the race since they are run at dusk, night. So not sure how it would be lucky?

[Greig]

Right, they are doing quali simulations, but it's not relevant at all... Only it always was. It could be Ferrari sandbagging for the first time this season, condition working for us, or just others not going flat out while we did. Let's wait and see, but it did look tragic in FP3 which mostly match whith what we see in quali.

Erm when you run FP3 in blazing sun, and qual in dusk/night you will find the temps very different meaning practice is not really all that relevant to the pace needed.

Conditions worked for us? did you not expect temps to drop when the sun goes away LOL.

[Rishu]

Just saw Q1 results, looked as if it was 2007 season.

[Forzi]

Track conditions changing, temperatures dropping and the surface is evolving. We might see some intresting things later on. Looks like it's helping us a bit.

[FerrariF60]

Right, they are doing quali simulations, but it's not relevant at all... Only it always was. It could be Ferrari sandbagging for the first time this season, condition working for us, or just others not going flat out while we did. Let's wait and see, but it did look tragic in FP3 which mostly match whith what we see in quali.

i think this is THE ANSWER

[Kyss4k]

Erm when you run FP3 in blazing sun, and qual in dusk/night you will find the temps very different meaning practice is not really all that relevant to the pace needed.

Conditions worked for us? did you not expect temps to drop when the sun goes away LOL.

Yes, but for all season the higher the temperature was, the better we were. I wouldn't expect it to change suddenly. If it did, it's surprising... at least for me.

[Forzi]

What's the hurry for everyone if the track is evolving so much? Old tires?

[Kyss4k]

What's the hurry for everyone if the track is evolving so much? Old tires?

Yep. First on old soft tyres, then one run on fresh.

[Jas]

Alonso very rarely improves his time from Q2 to Q3 (that's if we make Q3)

[Kyss4k]

Did you see that onboard? :-E That looked like a boat, not a car.

[Jas]

horrific hair pin cornering

[Kyss4k]

What do you think now Greig?

[Ed Harley]

Good to have at least one car in Q3.

[fratelliferrari]

Ouch this hurts :-( Well done to Felipe to get to Q3

[Greig]

What do you think now Greig?

I think 3 tenths behind Red Bull is pretty close, maybe you are happy though?

[Hermann]

Fernando out of Q3 :-E

[Jas]

Alonso going to kick out massa??? NOOOOO, I think I would rather be in alonsos position tbh! Greig I think we can moan now, nobody sand bags in practice these days

[FerrariF60]

like i said...this car is a MULE....WOW.....torro rosso an sauber....way better then us....I CONGRATULATE THEM....ferrari has FAILED

[rico]

:doh Dear God have mercy... I don't know if to laugh or cry

[Aberracus]

So it wasn't luck Greig

Let us moan man, the car is a Mule

[Greig]

Alonso going to kick out massa??? NOOOOO, I think I would rather be in alonsos position tbh! Greig I think we can moan now, nobody sand bags in practice these days

Moan if it makes you feel better LOL, won't change a thing.

[FFFerrari]

Yeah, that went well :-(

[Jas]

I think 3 tenths behind Red Bull is pretty close, maybe you are happy though?

Close is relative compared to your competitors, shocking performance by Ferrari!

[Greig]

So it wasn't luck Greig

Let us moan man, the car is a Mule

Cry if you want?

[Kyss4k]

I think 3 tenths behind Red Bull is pretty close, maybe you are happy though?

You started with those sarcastic comments in the first place. And if you think that this result is good, you are lying.

[Greig]

Close is relative compared to your competitors, shocking performance by Ferrari!

It's not really.

[FerrariF60]

Alonso going to kick out massa??? NOOOOO, I think I would rather be in alonsos position tbh! Greig I think we can moan now, nobody sand bags in practice these days

exactly...those days are over....if your NO GOOD in practice....it trully states you pace for teh weekend....clearly we weren't good in practice, so we FAILED in quali.....amen!!!

[Jas]

Doubt we will see massa go for a quick lap in Q3

[Aberracus]

11 is not that bad, maybe tyre strategy?

I mean is the best of the bad

[Mike996]

They are all cheats. RB, Mercedes, Lotus, Sauber. All cheats.

[Greig]

You started with those sarcastic comments in the first place. And if you think that this result is good, you are lying.

Who said it was a good result? You can shut off the tv and cry about it if you like though.

[Rishu]

Alonso has himself to blame. His first lap on fresh tyres was the key.

[Poltergeistes]

the car seems to have a mind of it's own.

tomorrow's race will be very difficult for us, our chances of scoring points will be if the rivals fails or if we do some great strategies, because the car is very hard to handle.

[Kyss4k]

And Greig, Vettel did his lap on used softs.

[Greig]

And Greig, Vettel did his lap on used softs.

So did Alonso.

[Jas]

It's not really.

you really don't get the point, if we were a 10th behind redbull but 5 cars between us that still is not good enough, I couldn't care if we were a second behind red bull but starting second! That's the point!

[Ed Harley]

They are all cheats. RB, Mercedes, Lotus, Sauber. All cheats.
They just do the job better right now.

[Aberracus]

Alonso has himself to blame. His first lap on fresh tyres was the key.

The car is a boat man.

[Rob]

And Greig, Vettel did his lap on used softs.

can afford to as they have the best car.

[Greig]

you really don't get the point, if we were a 10th behind redbull but 5 cars between us that still is not good enough, I couldn't care if we were a second behind red bull but starting second! That's the point!

If you have not got the point that we don't have a great car by now then I doubt you ever will.

[Kyss4k]

Who said it was a good result? You can shut off the tv and cry about it if you like though.

So saying we failed is not allowed here and I should go crying? Ridiculous. I hate how you attack everyone who has different opinion then you.

[Kyss4k]

can afford to as they have the best car.

Sure, but then saying we finnished only 3 tenths behind Bulls is not totally correct, they could go way faster on new set.

[SinanOzerS]

@Greig i absolutely can't understand what're you want to do.Are you the only person on this earth who thinks the best things about Ferrari ?

[Greig]

So saying we failed is not allowed here and I should go crying? Ridiculous. I hate how you attack everyone who has different opinion then you.

Who said it was not allowed? If you want to cry and whine and moan about Ferrari then feel free to do so, as you have done all season really. I would rather this fansite try and be a little bit supportive but maybe that is wrong.

I hate how you seem to enjoy us being off the pace just to attack me.

[Aberracus]

@Greig i absolutely can't understand what're you want to do.Are you the only person on this earth who thinks the best things about Ferrari ?

+1

[Rob]

Fernano made mistake into t7 took the best oit of the tyres and that was it. If hadnt would of been in top 10.

[Jas]

you said on the first page where are all the moaners now when we got a quick time....I have always said to have low expectations for quali! Im not the one whos getting the abuse....funny that

[Poltergeistes]

you really don't get the point, if we were a 10th behind redbull but 5 cars between us that still is not good enough, I couldn't care if we were a second behind red bull but starting second! That's the point!

sorry to get in the middle here, but i thought it was a known fact that we stopped working on the 2013 car since the season is lost anyway, i think ferrari wants the 2nd place in wcc but only with what they already have had for the past 5 or 6 races, to us that little extra money for 2nd or 3rd in wcc isn't going to make it or break the team, like it is for lotus for instance.

[Rishu]

The car is a boat man.

I wasn't expecting him on Pole but he missed out on Q3 because he made a mistake on that first lap with fresh tyres.

[Greig]

@Greig i absolutely can't understand what're you want to do.Are you the only person on this earth who thinks the best things about Ferrari ?

Are you surprised that we are off the pace of something? come on we have not been on the pace for over half the season, why still cry about it?

[Ed Harley]

Fernano made mistake into t7 took the best oit of the tyres and that was it. If hadnt would of been in top 10.
Yes.

[Greig]

you said on the first page where are all the moaners now when we got a quick time....I have always said to have low expectations for quali! Im not the one whos getting the abuse....funny that

Not sure what your point is? If I get abuse for supporting Ferrari then something is a bit wrong, funny that.

Stamping your feet won't change it.

[Rob]

Sure, but then saying we finnished only 3 tenths behind Bulls is not totally correct, they could go way faster on new set.

what have people been w anyting? we been behind in pace since tyres changed and our development hasnt been good. Its a track which needs traction. Where we been lacking. With all our problems lets be happy we make q3.

[Kyss4k]

Who said it was not allowed? If you want to cry and whine and moan about Ferrari then feel free to do so, as you have done all season really. I would rather this fansite try and be a little bit supportive but maybe that is wrong.

I hate how you seem to enjoy us being off the pace just to attack me.

Yea right, I enjoy it so much... You are the one who is attacking people here. You are the one who keep quoting people, who didn't even react to you, with sarcastic comment. It's not polite and on forum where any kind of hars word is censored, doing this seams highly inappropriate.

I am a fan, and I hate seeing us dropping down and down and down and I have no problem with saying out loud, that I am not ok with that. Being disappointed is part of being the fan you know?

[SinanOzerS]

Are you surprised that we are off the pace of something? come on we have not been on the pace for over half the season, why still cry about it?

No one is crying there,except you.

[Kyss4k]

what have people been w anyting? we been behind in pace since tyres changed and our development hasnt been good. Its a track which needs traction. Where we been lacking. With all our problems lets be happy we make q3.

We are the only top team which is dropping lower. Heck almost all of other teams stopped their development and still they are managing to get ahead of us. McLaren, Sauber, Force India, Torro Rosso. They all are way closer every race.

And sorry, I can't be happy about getting into Q3.

[Greig]

Yea right, I enjoy it so much... You are the one who is attacking people here. You are the one who keep quoting people, who didn't even react to you, with sarcastic comment. It's not polite and on forum where any kind of hars word is censored, doing this seams highly inappropriate.

I am a fan, and I hate seeing us dropping down and down and down and I have no problem with saying out loud, that I am not ok with that. Being disappointed is part of being the fan you know?

Where did I attack you precious? Who have I quoted?

Being realistic is also part of being a fan you know?

[Greig]

No one is crying there,except you.

Yeah I do cry a little when I see this fansite we created filled with whining little babies.

I suggest you join PF1, they will love you over there.

[Rob]

No one is crying there,except you.

come on lets not turn this into bickering and moaning like we have had since silverstone. Lets come together and support our team through this rough time.

[Rob]

We are the only top team which is dropping lower. Heck almost all of other teams stopped their development and still they are managing to get ahead of us. McLaren, Sauber, Force India, Torro Rosso. They all are way closer every race.

And sorry, I can't be happy about getting into Q3.

then being in q3 is not good enough no? look at button he behind us

[SinanOzerS]

Just look at BIEBER'S HEAD !

[Ed Harley]

Very unfortunate the yellow flag.

[Greig]

Well done Felipe, Alonso needs to pick up his qualifying. We seen the same last year in the last part of the season for some reason.

[Jas]

so close between massa and gro...unlucky! good job webber, hope they let them race and not get screwed over by strategy!

[Ed Harley]

Webber's lap was really good. Looked effortless and did not seem quick at all.

[Rishu]

Wonder which part on Webber's car would fail tomorrow, lol

[Kyss4k]

Where did I attack you precious? Who have I quoted?

Being realistic is also part of being a fan you know?

Ehm, what? Always when someone complain about our pace, you quote him with comment saying something like "cry some more" or "So where is all the moaners from the practice thread now?". It's hard to discuss in that kind of environment.

[Nova]

@Greig i absolutely can't understand what're you want to do.Are you the only person on this earth who thinks the best things about Ferrari ?

Nope..me too.

[FerrariF60]

so we're like a SECOND off pace with Massa's car....it's SAD that the torro rosso, sauber and lotus are quicker then us this weekend....i'm not even mentioning red bull or mercedes

[Greig]

Ehm, what? Always when someone complain about our pace, you quote him with comment saying something like "cry some more" or "So where is all the moaners from the practice thread now?". It's hard to discuss in that kind of environment.

Well you have been whining and crying most of the season, you seem to have enjoyed such a role on here.

[Hornet]

Good job by Massa, probably the max we can get today.

This track just isn't our track, with all the traction section.

2014 can't come soon enough

[Kyss4k]

Well done Felipe, Alonso needs to pick up his qualifying. We seen the same last year in the last part of the season for some reason.

Dissapointment maybe? There is nothing he could fight for now, when we (Ferrari I mean) didn't give our drivers the car they needed. Felipe has motivation and he is doing great, Alonso on the other hand...

[Larcxy27]

God this place is an absolute nightmare! I am very passionate about F1 and Ferrari but when it is evident that this track is not suiting our car then why lose the plot?! It is what it is.

Well done Mark. stunning lap, even if you're boss didn't seem overjoyed.......

[Larcxy27]

God this place is an absolute nightmare! I am very passionate about F1 and Ferrari but when it is evident that this track is not suiting our car then why lose the plot?! It is what it is.

Well done Mark. stunning lap, even if you're boss didn't seem overjoyed.......

[F2002]

Nothing has changed for us, really, we are where we have been for ages.

As more cars join the top ten pack (Mclaren and Sauber are having their say recently), the slightest mistake becomes even more costly.

[Module]

Dissapointment maybe? There is nothing he could fight for now, when we (Ferrari I mean) didn't give our drivers the car they needed. Felipe has motivation and he is doing great, Alonso on the other hand...

2nd WCC should feel important with such smal margins and it probably going down to last race

[Kyss4k]

Well you have been whining and crying most of the season, you seem to have enjoyed such a role on here.

Really? I was so ***** happy at the first part of the season. It was only after we lost everything we had concerning our speed I become less happy I guess. I won't celebrate totally wtong strategy calls, fail of development with money we have and so on for 4 years in a row. And most moaning I did was with discussions with you actually.

[fratelliferrari]

Well done Felipe! Also congratulations to Mark.

[F2008]

Grosjean takes P7 from Massa despite yellow flags?

[Kingdom Hearts]

Expected result, Felipe beats Fernando again.

[FA fan]

so we're like a SECOND off pace with Massa's car....it's SAD that the torro rosso, sauber and lotus are quicker then us this weekend....i'm not even mentioning red bull or mercedes

Well on this track it was more or less expected! We have been off pace since so many races,can't understand why soo many are disappointed,it was expected!! Glad atleast massa made it to q3.congrats to webber,just seeing vettels face after not getting pole,was worth it:-)

[Kyss4k]

2nd WCC should feel important with such smal margins and it probably going down to last race

That is not Alonso's fight. That is what team could want.

[Hornet]

Nothing has changed for us, really, we are where we have been for ages.

As more cars join the top ten pack (Mclaren and Sauber are having their say recently), the slightest mistake becomes even more costly.

I'm really impressed by what Sauber did, they genuinely improved a lot, and is currently faster than Ferrari at least on a 1 lap pace. Pretty amazing development program they have going on :Hmm

[Kyss4k]

And what heats me up the most is when I see people who are happy with us making it into Q3 or making it into points. We don't want to become an midfield team or do we? I hope the team is not fine with that.

EDIT. Sorry everyone... I should probably take a break. See ya sometime in the future.

[Aberracus]

Stay calm

[Lesky]

Well done Massa, well done webber :thumb

Alonso need to sort out his qualifying woes towards the end of every season.

[Ed Harley]

You do the best you can and try to do things right in order to do better next time. No reason throwing the towel in.

[XXX132]

Well you have been whining and crying most of the season, you seem to have enjoyed such a role on here.

:-!

[Forzi]

Good on Felipe, really upped his game since the news that he's leaving. Fernando needs to up his quali game. Can't seem to remember if he did these kind of mistakes last year, but can recall quite a few this season.

Still wondering about Lewis spin in S3. Many drivers went past him, while yellow flags were out, and got their fastest times in. Will we see penalties?

[F2008]

When Alonso makes a little mistake he's out of Q3, when Vettel does the same he misses pole by a fraction...

[stefa]

Is there a bottom of these hole that Ferrari is falling?

[Greig]

And what heats me up the most is when I see people who are happy with us making it into Q3 or making it into points. We don't want to become an midfield team or do we? I hope the team is not fine with that.

EDIT. Sorry everyone... I should probably take a break. See ya sometime in the future.

No we don't want to be, but if we are then so be it, will it make you support less? Ferrari is not all about winning for me. Ferrari have a long history of being mediocre amongst flashes of brilliance. If you can't support them during the bad times then that is your call.

[Mike996]

Well done Massa, well done webber :thumb

Alonso need to sort out his qualifying woes towards the end of every season.

Motivation? Or the lack thereof?

[F2002]

I'm really impressed by what Sauber did, they genuinely improved a lot, and is currently faster than Ferrari at least on a 1 lap pace. Pretty amazing development program they have going on :Hmm

Very true

[Forzi]

Is there a bottom of these hole that Ferrari is falling?

We got a saying here in Lithuania: Reached the bottom? Get the shovels out :-)

[Mike996]

I'm really impressed by what Sauber did, they genuinely improved a lot, and is currently faster than Ferrari at least on a 1 lap pace. Pretty amazing development program they have going on :Hmm

Any chance we can hire the Hulk yet?

[Kiwi Nick]

Now Alonso has the opportunity to show us that he can do what Grosjean did in India. Good luck!

[varun]

Not shocking but really this is saddening to see the sorry state of affairs,
we weren't so bad in India, we just dont have traction,Alonso better use a LaFerrari (maybe better)
But, 1 thing is clear,CHANGE IS NEEDED
Stefano has to go,Get some one better,
if we cant mount a challenge and win with ALONSO AND KIMI...then when will we?:roll

[Hornet]

Any chance we can hire the Hulk yet?

Ferrari could have gotten Hulk easily if we wanted him, he was and still is looking for a drive. But ultimately Kimi was the choice.

[stefa]

No we don't want to be, but if we are then so be it, will it make you support less? Ferrari is not all about winning for me. Ferrari have a long history of being mediocre amongst flashes of brilliance. If you can't support them during the bad times then that is your call.

I agree totally with you above statement. Especially this part: "Ferrari have a long history of being mediocre amongst flashes of brilliance."
For what I remember those mediocre periods tends to be long and hopeless...

[Kingdom Hearts]

Any chance we can hire the Hulk yet?

Why do you want to get rid of Kimi so soon? :Hmm

[hrc5555]

Anyone knows top speed?

[ManFromMilan]

Now Alonso has the opportunity to show us that he can do what Grosjean did in India. Good luck!



Let us just hope nobody takes his front wing or part thereof off at the start tomorrow.

[F2008]

Anyone knows top speed?

Pos No Driver Time of Day Speed
1 4 Felipe Massa 17:41:45 319.9
2 5 Jenson Button 17:07:49 318.0
3 6 Sergio Perez 17:18:44 318.0
4 17 Valtteri Bottas 17:10:18 317.8
5 11 Nico Hulkenberg 17:52:39 317.6
6 16 Pastor Maldonado 17:04:24 317.4
7 12 Esteban Gutierrez 17:07:44 317.1
8 19 Daniel Ricciardo 17:20:31 316.9
9 14 Paul di Resta 17:16:26 316.7
10 10 Lewis Hamilton 17:04:16 316.5
11 9 Nico Rosberg 17:11:47 316.3
12 2 Mark Webber 17:34:24 315.6
13 15 Adrian Sutil 17:18:15 315.4
14 3 Fernando Alonso 17:07:00 315.1
15 18 Jean-Eric Vergne 17:16:35 314.6
16 22 Jules Bianchi 17:20:01 312.5
17 21 Giedo van der Garde 17:16:28 311.5
18 1 Sebastian Vettel 18:00:16 311.2
19 20 Charles Pic 17:07:19 310.9
20 7 Kimi Räikkönen 17:07:53 309.5
21 8 Romain Grosjean 18:00:30 309.4
22 23 Max Chilton 17:19:10 304.9

[Forzi]

From Pedro:
The team blames the heat, rear tyres overheating. Fernando wants more top speed and less downforce for tomorrow, the whole race will be on traffic. Lower temperature will help later.

Guess we went for top speed. Should really help in race.

[hrc5555]

Massa could make Alonos life difficult tomorrow...

[hrc5555]

I wounder on which tires Alonso will start tomorrow! :-)

[Jas]

And what heats me up the most is when I see people who are happy with us making it into Q3 or making it into points. We don't want to become an midfield team or do we? I hope the team is not fine with that.

EDIT. Sorry everyone... I should probably take a break. See ya sometime in the future.

I call it the Pirelli development haha, but also a new exhaust system tbf!

[Jas]

Pos No Driver Time of Day Speed
1 4 Felipe Massa 17:41:45 319.9
2 5 Jenson Button 17:07:49 318.0
3 6 Sergio Perez 17:18:44 318.0
4 17 Valtteri Bottas 17:10:18 317.8
5 11 Nico Hulkenberg 17:52:39 317.6
6 16 Pastor Maldonado 17:04:24 317.4
7 12 Esteban Gutierrez 17:07:44 317.1
8 19 Daniel Ricciardo 17:20:31 316.9
9 14 Paul di Resta 17:16:26 316.7
10 10 Lewis Hamilton 17:04:16 316.5
11 9 Nico Rosberg 17:11:47 316.3
12 2 Mark Webber 17:34:24 315.6
13 15 Adrian Sutil 17:18:15 315.4
14 3 Fernando Alonso 17:07:00 315.1
15 18 Jean-Eric Vergne 17:16:35 314.6
16 22 Jules Bianchi 17:20:01 312.5
17 21 Giedo van der Garde 17:16:28 311.5
18 1 Sebastian Vettel 18:00:16 311.2
19 20 Charles Pic 17:07:19 310.9
20 7 Kimi Räikkönen 17:07:53 309.5
21 8 Romain Grosjean 18:00:30 309.4
22 23 Max Chilton 17:19:10 304.9

very good top speed by massa, quite a diff to Alonso, maybe the extra layer in the monkey seat! Our boys will need that top speed tomorrow!

[Nova]

I agree totally with you above statement. Especially this part: "Ferrari have a long history of being mediocre amongst flashes of brilliance."
For what I remember those mediocre periods tends to be long and hopeless...

But if you look at F1 in general, all of the teams go thru this. There are flashes of brilliance for all or most of them.

[Jas]

Fernando Alonso ‏@alo_oficial 1h
Still a tough weekend for us, but we have to think positive and use the extra new tires to attack in the race! Still confident!

[Greig]

Fernando Alonso ‏@alo_oficial 1h
Still a tough weekend for us, but we have to think positive and use the extra new tires to attack in the race! Still confident!

He better not read this forum then....

[F2002]

I wounder on which tires Alonso will start tomorrow! :-)

He said in one post-qualifying interview that he will start on the softer tyre, which makes sense considering that Ferrari's pace on the white tyre wasn't good in any of the sessions.

[F2002]

He better not read this forum then....

Ferrari fans are disgruntled everywhere, not only here, @Greig, save perhaps on the philosophy forums :-)

My biggest disappointment is a certain sense of apathy that seems to have pervaded the team, I watched FP3 this morning and the cars remained in the garage for almost half of the session, why wouldn't we be using this precious time to try new parts I keep asking?

[Greig]

Ferrari fans are disgruntled everywhere, not only here, @Greig, save perhaps on the philosophy forums :-)

My biggest disappointment is a certain sense of apathy that seems to have pervaded the team, I watched FP3 this morning and the cars remained in the garage for almost half of the session, why wouldn't we be using this precious time to try new parts I keep asking?

I am not bothered about anywhere else thanks :-)

[F2002]

I am not bothered about anywhere else thanks :-)

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, anyway only you know what "personality" you'd like this forum to have.

[hrc5555]

From what the driver were saying, tires seams to last longer than in India, so I wounder if Alonso is going to try one stop strategy!
I mean, he have a new set of soft and hard tires. :-)

[Senna4Ever]

Massa could make Alonos life difficult tomorrow...

First he should make sure not to damage his car in the first corner after start - then he might think about others ...
Mr. Alonso is working very hard to destroy his bonus on my side ... I'm that far that I think we should start with Hulkenberg and Kimi next year ...

[Umbria]

Thank goodness Ferrari is getting Kimi next year, Alonso is a great driver but way too moody. Kimi is a no nonsense driver who will go about the business of driving and not let is emotions rule him.

[Greig]

Thank goodness Ferrari is getting Kimi next year, Alonso is a great driver but way too moody. Kimi is a no nonsense driver who will go about the business of driving and not let is emotions rule him.

Hmmmm ok then.

[hrc5555]

First he should make sure not to damage his car in the first corner after start - then he might think about others ...
Mr. Alonso is working very hard to destroy his bonus on my side ... I'm that far that I think we should start with Hulkenberg and Kimi next year ...

It wasnt all his fault, Webber lost the rear when that hapend...

[Jas]

Thank goodness Ferrari is getting Kimi next year, Alonso is a great driver but way too moody. Kimi is a no nonsense driver who will go about the business of driving and not let is emotions rule him.

this is a joke...how is he moody, have you just seen his tweet...he is the one who keeps spirits upp, he is the one who keeps the team to have some motivation due to his brilliance fighting in a dog of a car! He is more than a driver...and im a massa fan!!

[Lucky Dodo]

Well yes, Fernando is team leader. Not the boss, but one who does motivate with more than driving.

[Paulo Goncalves]

Alonso doesn't deserve what is happening. I'm a fan of him of course. I will make my point at the end of Ferrari's poor season.


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[F2008]

First he should make sure not to damage his car in the first corner after start - then he might think about others ...
Mr. Alonso is working very hard to destroy his bonus on my side ... I'm that far that I think we should start with Hulkenberg and Kimi next year ...

What do you expect? That he goes into 'god mode' every single weekend?

[Silent Bob]

Wonder which part on Webber's car would fail tomorrow, lol


None. He's on a 4 stop strategy. 2nd stop he's scheduled for a stuck right rear wheel nut... 3rd stop front wing adjustment tool gets stuck and on 4th stop rear jack man falls asleep(if needed).

[fratelliferrari]

None. He's on a 4 stop strategy. 2nd stop he's scheduled for a stuck right rear wheel nut... 3rd stop front wing adjustment tool gets stuck and on 4th stop rear jack man falls asleep(if needed).

:lol No alternator or gearbox problem this weekend?

[Nick Singer]

Awful!

Ferrari best financed team yet third or fourth best car.

Perhaps ALO could drive the last two GPs in RAI's Lotus and score some good points….

Complete and utter shambles.

[Nick Singer]

I agree totally with you above statement. Especially this part: "Ferrari have a long history of being mediocre amongst flashes of brilliance."
For what I remember those mediocre periods tends to be long and hopeless...

With 'long' being the key word!

[Greig]

Kimi's car failed deflection test, Lotus called to stewards.

[Ed Harley]

"Paging Mr Valsecchi, paging Mr Valsecchi..."

[DIEK]

Jennie Gow ‏@JennieGow 6min (https://twitter.com/JennieGow/status/396670323665297408)
Rumours here that someone might be in trouble in the top 10….results not official yet so let's wait and see what happens

f1talks.pl ‏@f1talks 56s (https://twitter.com/f1talks/status/396672228596924416)
There were a lot of penalties this weekend in lower series for exceeding track limits so some changes on the grid are still possible.

f1talks.pl ‏@f1talks 25s (https://twitter.com/f1talks/status/396672750154444800)
Red Bull duo made their quick laps with all four wheels off the track... #F1 (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23F1&src=hash)

:lou:

[DIEK]

Kimi's car failed deflection test, Lotus called to stewards.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYFKVofIMAAAnmk.jpg

[Ed Harley]

So both red cars in Top 10 after all.

[stefa]

So both red cars in Top 10 after all.

From 11 to 10th... Wow!

[Ed Harley]

Hey, it's progress!

[Forzi]

Still nothing official. Grosjean had avoided a similar thing, let's see if it happens.

[radosav]

Can Fernando choose type of tyres?

[fratelliferrari]

Can Fernando choose type of tyres?

I think he can because he qualified in 11th.

[Hermann]

Bianca Leppert ‏@janci1612

Floor on Kimis car didn't manage the FIA check. Same like Grosjean in Hungary. Permane says damage caused of incident in corner 3 with 25g.

[wacc]

I guess it was not as bad at all. Let's find something positive - Fernando is starting from clean side. :ouch

From Ferrari.com:

The bare facts are that Fernando Alonso failed to get into the final part of qualifying for the very first time this season. But there’s a separation between one’s perception of that fact as a terrible showing and the reality, which is that the Spanish Ferrari man is eleventh on the grid, on the clean side of the track. In other words, it’s not as bad as the shock of seeing him giving interviews to the press while the final top ten shoot out was still going on.

[Ed Harley]

Whether the floor flexes because of damage or other reason it doesn't matter ie. qualifying result has been achieved with an "illegal" car -> he'll start from the back.

[fratelliferrari]

So Felipe 7th and Fernando 10th tomorrow

[Alessandra]

None. He's on a 4 stop strategy. 2nd stop he's scheduled for a stuck right rear wheel nut... 3rd stop front wing adjustment tool gets stuck and on 4th stop rear jack man falls asleep(if needed).

:-D

[Module]

Whether the floor flexes because of damage or other reason it doesn't matter ie. qualifying result has been achieved with an "illegal" car -> he'll start from the back.

Not true, if it's due to damage and they can prove it he will be Ok and they will be allowed to fix it in Parc Ferme

[Ed Harley]

We'll see.

[Hornet]

So Felipe 7th and Fernando 10th tomorrow

Hopefully, but I believe Lotus is presenting their case against it.

Lets hope they fail :-D

[fratelliferrari]

Hopefully, but I believe Lotus is presenting their case against it.

Lets hope they fail :-D

Yes indeed! When do we have confirmation what will be done with Kimi's car?

[stefa]

With 'long' being the key word!

and sometimes that LONG was really long.... Gap between two WDC one in 1979 and another one only to come at 2000.... Don't want that to repeat....

[Hornet]

Yes indeed! When do we have confirmation what will be done with Kimi's car?

No idea how long a decision will take. I usually just keep an eye on twitter, should hear it there first as soon as a decision is announced

[stefa]

No idea how long a decision will take. I usually just keep an eye on twitter, should hear it there first as soon as a decision is announced

That is a decision only for one Lotus (KR) car?

[Kristof_F40]

and sometimes that LONG was really long.... Gap between two WDC one in 1979 and another one only to come at 2000.... Don't want that to repeat....

To be clear it was 1999 not 2000, but the point remains the same, unfortunatly

[wisepie]

It's all very well hoping Kimi will get a penalty but they may yet do the same to Felipe for having all 4 wheels off the track in Q1 (or was it Q2). It's not going to make much difference if the Lotus performs as it did in India. Just pray that wherever our boys start, we don't have any contact and can reel some of the others in on our race pace, although with the lack of traction that's a big ask. We tifosi have been through these challenging times before, it's painful but we're still here and so are Ferrari. It's all cyclical for the top teams and we have to live with it. Forza!

[Hermann]

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1 1m

Looks like Kimi Raikkonen will be excluded from qualifying for the floor problem - which means he starts from the back of the grid

Andrew Benson ‏@andrewbensonf1 1m

Raikkonen excluded from qualifying, allowed to start from the back of the grid

[Ed Harley]

Best news I've heard all day. Bye Bye Kimi!
What else have you heard today?

[Hermann]

Even if i had heard that the UN has negotiated world peace with all the countries of the world, world famine had been solved and cancer cured, this news about Kimi would still top all that.

Kimifans will probably appear in front of the stewards office with big placards. And i hope Jo Bauer doesn't have a twitter.

[Ed Harley]

Even if i had heard that the UN had negotiated world peace with all the countries of the world, world famine had been solved and cancer cured, this news about Kimi would still top all that. :-)

Good for you, Sir.

As a former cancer patient I would put such a medical achievement on top of that list but that's just me.

[wacc]

Best news I've heard all day. Bye Bye Kimi!

Not the best news. The best one is that the qualy result was actually not as bad as it looked liked.

[DIEK]

Dirty side... :Hmm

[Ed Harley]

KR excluded from qualifying.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111084

[Winter]

Even if i had heard that the UN had negotiated world peace with all the countries of the world, world famine had been solved and cancer cured, this news about Kimi would still top all that. :-)

That sounds healthy. Good for you..
And what was mods opinion of trolling?

[Ed Harley]

Not true, if it's due to damage and they can prove it he will be Ok and they will be allowed to fix it in Parc Ferme
Että näin.

[Rob]

It's all very well hoping Kimi will get a penalty but they may yet do the same to Felipe for having all 4 wheels off the track in Q1 (or was it Q2). It's not going to make much difference if the Lotus performs as it did in India. Just pray that wherever our boys start, we don't have any contact and can reel some of the others in on our race pace, although with the lack of traction that's a big ask. We tifosi have been through these challenging times before, it's painful but we're still here and so are Ferrari. It's all cyclical for the top teams and we have to live with it. Forza!

Rosberg also had all 4 wheels over the line on final corner during Q2, and nothing was said. :roll

[Ed Harley]

So, manufacturer's points are



1
Red Bull/Renault
470


2
Mercedes
313


3
Ferrari
309


4
Lotus/Renault
285




Any realistic chance for Ferrari to get 2nd by end of season?

[wisepie]

Rosberg also had all 4 wheels over the line on final corner during Q2, and nothing was said. :roll
Ok Rob, let's hope that the end of it and even if Kimi is starting from the back, he can still be a threat! As is everyone else if we hope to regain 2nd in WCC.:Hmm

[Rob]

Ok Rob, let's hope that the end of it and even if Kimi is starting from the back, he can still be a threat! As is everyone else if we hope to regain 2nd in WCC.:Hmm

Lets hope we can mix it up tomorrow, the silly high temps didnt help us at all. As were overheating the tyres quickly. But, cooler race temps, good chances of overtaking all the way down too T7, fingers crossed keep out of trouble and gain afew and strong points for WCC, and 1 Merc DNF and Lotus :pray dita incrociate e permette di avere gara pulita.

[Alonsomaniac]

Oof....haven't been able to watch qualy, but this is sad. I mean sad because all those guys - drivers, mechanics etc. - are working as hard as they can, but the fact is that it is simply not possible anymore to make this car competitive.
Felipe is doing great, his motivation to show hwo good he really is makes him going faster than the car can.
Fernando, I don't know if it is the case but how difficult must it be to give more than you have time after time in these circumstances? Maybe Felipes motivation is beating Fernando's at the moment, I don't know.
What I do know that tomorrow we will see two drivers again who will do their maximum and more to score as high as possible.
If that means a 6th or 7th place, it doesn't matter anymore, we must cheer for them.
We are Ferrarifans and we cannot let our drivers and our team down.

[Jas]

massa clean side, heres hoping!

[Lucky Dodo]

I think dropping Kimi from quali is better for Felipe than Fernando. I am thinking of notorious Dirty Side of start up.

[Muhammad Ansib]

I just wanted to ask whether Fernando's promotion in Top 10 still means that he gets the choice to choose whichever Tyre he Likes?


FORZA FERRARI, FORZA FERNANDO ALONSO.

[Greig]

He is starting on softs he already said :-)

[Rob]

Just watching the GP2 race form today, looks like both sides of the grid got of the line pretty well.

[bonzo]

Did not watch the quali, not sure about therace tomorrow. Just checking the forum if Stefano has already submitted his resigniation. Seems not...Alas!

[stefa]

So, manufacturer's points are



1
Red Bull/Renault
470


2
Mercedes
313


3
Ferrari
309


4
Lotus/Renault
285




Any realistic chance for Ferrari to get 2nd by end of season?

Also there are chances for being 4th!

[stefa]

O
We are Ferrarifans and we cannot let our drivers and our team down.

I am for sure not letting them down, but their results are making me down!

[fratelliferrari]

Also there are chances for being 4th!

Come on stefa a little bit more optimistic :-D

[Muhammad Ansib]

He is starting on softs he already said :-)

Thanks. Much appreciated

[stefa]

Come on stefa a little bit more optimistic :-D

In (hard) times like these I tend to joke :-)

[Alonsomaniac]

I am for sure not letting them down, but their results are making me down!

That's something I can't deny....:lol

[theforce]

Ferrari aren't bringing in solid updates so the whole team is trying to maximize with what they've got and considering the race day results from previous weekends, I say its a pretty impressive effort.

Felipe seems to be concentrating more on qualifying and starting races from higher up the grid which means no more silly tangles with the back markers and this will surely help his future team owners in selecting him.

Regardless of where Fernando qualifies his race pace and relentless pass on race day alone is the joy of Sundays. And to top it off the media are desperately trying to create friction between him and Ferrari because Seb winning his 4th title in a row doesn't seem to be selling well.

[sagi58]

...Regardless of where Fernando qualifies his race pace and relentless pass on race day alone is the joy of Sundays...

:clap:ferrarifl:clap

[SilverSpeed]

Hey guys,

sorry but I'm looking for that picture of Webber with his failure list again in all the GP's of 2013.

Can't seem to find it, someone knows where it is?

[stefa]

Hey guys,

sorry but I'm looking for that picture of Webber with his failure list again in all the GP's of 2013.

Can't seem to find it, someone knows where it is?

If you meant on this one...

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/31735-Congratulations-Vettel/page3

[SilverSpeed]

Ah yes indeed Thanks!

[gjoko-mkd]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/1380185_177740505750749_1480757120_n.jpg

[Module]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/1380185_177740505750749_1480757120_n.jpg

The picture is funny...

Korea "oil leak"??? Sutil crashed into him
Frontwings were partly his responsibilities
Multi 21 was teamorder FOR him, not against, that Vettel disregarded

[Italian Spirit]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/1380185_177740505750749_1480757120_n.jpg

Ricciardo's future is written. :-(

[Italian Spirit]

The picture is funny...

Korea "oil leak"??? Sutil crashed into him
Frontwings were partly his responsibilities
Multi 21 was teamorder FOR him, not against, that Vettel disregarded

You find the picture "funny"?
Is it some sort of finnish humor?

[Module]

You find the picture "funny"?
Is it some sort of finnish humor?

In the sence that it has fails on purpose, trying to say that there were technical issues and webber being screwed in almost every race. Korea being the best example, oil leak = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR_K6sRI1xk

You could make a list for almost any driver like that with such flexible rules.

Edit. Marks problems aren't the thing I find funny but the reasoning behind the picture itself, sorry if it offended you

[wisepie]

Lets hope we can mix it up tomorrow, the silly high temps didnt help us at all. As were overheating the tyres quickly. But, cooler race temps, good chances of overtaking all the way down too T7, fingers crossed keep out of trouble and gain afew and strong points for WCC, and 1 Merc DNF and Lotus :pray dita incrociate e permette di avere gara pulita.

Hai tanta ragione, Rob, speriamo per tutto!:thumb