US GP 2013 - Qualifying Thread

[AfterLife]

After 20 minutes qualifying is going to begin and still no thread and forum is quiet :Hmm

Forza Ferrari!

[wacc]

Let's get both cars into Q3!

:ferrarifl

[ManFromMilan]

Come on Felipe and Fernando!

:ferrarifl

[AfterLife]

Sure :thumb

[Kristof_F40]

Not expecting much, last year, our qualy here was also not good, I don't think we can do better now, but yeah, let's see..

[tifosi1993]

Won't be too surprised if both Ferrari's could not make it into Q3.

But anyway, FORZA FERRARI!

:ferrarifl

[AfterLife]

I'm not sure but i think we compromise our straight line speed for more downforce in designing, but we are not good enough again, but likes of sauber have straight line speed advantage still. :Hmm

[AfterLife]

Won't be too surprised if both Ferrari's could not make it into Q3.

But anyway, FORZA FERRARI!

:ferrarifl

It will be easier than drinking a glass of water. We will see our both cars in Q3 :dance

[wacc]

Red Bulls are sooo confident. I would so love to see them stumble over sudden red light due to some accident moments before the end of Q1.

[wacc]

felipe on the verge of not making it into Q2 :-(

[Greig]

phew

[FerrariF60]

wow, that williams of BOtAS is flying

and they're not even having or running teh coanda exhaust anymore....they went back to the original exhaust they started at the beg. of year....:-E

[wacc]

Bottas @ Williams :clap
Felipe would probably like to sit in that car at the moment:-)

[Jas]

Looking good then haha...we are not making it into Q3 I don't think! lets save some money and bring the boys back to the factory!! massa I am sorry you have to race this car at Brazil!

[Katu]

it was painful to watch

[Hermann]

Bottas @ Williams :clap
Felipe would probably like to sit in that car at the moment:-)

Shhhh, you'll get your ear tweaked.

[Jas]

maybe we should get rid of the conoda exhaust as well...lets face it, we never mastered it, changing the configuration every 2 min

[Alonso14]

Great job, we got to Q2 :clap Thank god Maldonado and Sutil were held up :lol

[paneristi]

Looks like the the team has stayed too calm. Frustrating

[Massimo181]

maybe we should get rid of the conoda exhaust as well...lets face it, we never mastered it, changing the configuration every 2 min

Exactly my thoughts atleast Williams were honest and said that they did not understand it!! What do we do start throwing things that we still do not understand and go backwards! Embarrassing performance wonder what LDM thinks!!

[wacc]

Exactly my thoughts atleast Williams were honest and said that they did not understand it!! What do we do start throwing things that we still do not understand and go backwards! Embarrassing performance wonder what LDM thinks!!

Nothing, he is throwing his TV out of the window as we speak.

[Massimo181]

Bet Kimi can not wait to drive for us!! Maybe that is why Lotus are not naming their drivers yet incase Kimi changes his mind!!! LOL

[wacc]

Fernando on a good lap.

[Greig]

Damn you Alonso!!!!

[SinanOzerS]

Very good lap.

[FerrariF60]

WOW, alonso where did that lap time came from??

of course he's prolly gonna MESS it up come Q3 like he USUALLY does

[wacc]

Felipe is not going to make it.

EDIT> one more lap / not enough

[FerrariF60]

Damn you Alonso!!!!

just when ONE thinks teh ferrari STINKS....alonso pulls a good one....hopefully he'll keep it clean in Q3 as well

[Jas]

Such a big gap between massa and Alonso...its never been that big hmmm!

[Jas]

over 1.2 seconds...like having another car!

[SinanOzerS]

P15 from Massa.He's super fast again !

[Katu]

Bet Kimi can not wait to drive for us!! Maybe that is why Lotus are not naming their drivers yet incase Kimi changes his mind!!! LOL

let him change his mind then

[FerrariF60]

so with rosberg out, we may (or Alonso) my get a good grid position in Q3....:pray:pray

[Katu]

P15 from Massa.He's super fast again !

oh how dare you say that!

[Greig]

P15 from Massa.He's super fast again !

I just knew as soon as Massa did not beat Alonso in qual, then these type of comments would appear.

[FerrariF60]

P15 from Massa.He's super fast again !

good thing he's got that contract in his pocket with WILLIAMS....LOL

[Kristof_F40]

Strange conditions...

[FerrariF60]

let him change his mind then

yeah....i second that...let HIM change his mind...

[Jas]

Maldanado is an inconsiderate idiot...conspiracy theory...NO! Your just overarted and a rich man!

[fratelliferrari]

I want to cry :-( This is just not Felipe's weekend.

[Massimo181]

Well done Fernando

[wacc]

over 1.2 seconds...like having another car!

Look at Bottas and Maldonado - 1.5 seconds difference.

[gjoko-mkd]

What is problem with Massa? Probably disappointment with not extension contract with ferrari

[Katu]

Look at Bottas and Maldonado - 1.5 seconds difference.

conspiracy

[Alonso14]

over 1.2 seconds...like having another car!

It's always been like that when we have a tractor. Felipe struggles to adapt to bad cars, and god knows how many of those we have produced recently :lol

Maldonado blaming Williams for sabotaging his car. This man simply cannot take responsibility for his own short-comings.

[SinanOzerS]

Just think that if Maldonado won the single GP with FW34, what could Bottas achieve in that car ?

[Uzair Ahmed]

What is problem with Massa? Probably disappointment with not extension contract with ferrari

He is relaxed as he has contract in his pocket for next year

[fratelliferrari]

P15 from Massa.He's super fast again !

What about Fernando last race in Abu Dhabi. He wasn't in Q3 either?

[FFFerrari]

conspiracy

Indeed, Williams have been sandbagging whole season :rotfl

[Greig]

What about Fernando last race in Abu Dhabi. He wasn't in Q3 either?

It's easier just to bash at Massa even in his final 2 races, vultures never change ;-)

[SinanOzerS]

"ALO in #Q3 (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Q3&src=hash). One single lap for him on new Mediums."

[Jose Lorca]

Andrew Benson ‏@andrewbensonf1 4m
"That third place from Alonso in Q2, what a sensational performance - he is still in pain and not sleeping properly," says @TomClarksonF1

[wacc]

Not looking good.

[wacc]

Vettel :furious

[Greig]

6th, pretty much as usual in qual but we have been overtaken by everyone apparently....

[Alonso14]

Vettel :furious


Webber lost 0.2 (to his previous best lap) in the 3rd sector. So typical Mark there and Vettel is always there to pounce.

[FerrariFanBoii]

Whot.

[wacc]

Good job by Fernando.

Ferrari will now going to pay Sauber and Hulkenberg to break the seal on gearbox for Fernando getting to the clean side of the grid :-D

[Kristof_F40]

Good job from Fernando, unstable car and still getting the best out of it.. a shame of P5, but yeah..

[FerrariF60]

6th, pretty much as usual in qual but we have been overtaken by everyone apparently....

yes indeed, merc, lotus and sauber are defenately better then us...oh well at least ONE of the mercedes is way lower on grid position....although it kind of levels off as one of our cars TOO is way lower on grid postion

we may, JUST may keep 3rd in WCC...i dont' think there's hope for SECOND in WCC

[wacc]

6th, pretty much as usual in qual but we have been overtaken by everyone apparently....

lol, you feared both cars would not make it into Q2 a few moments before...

[FerrariF60]

Good job by Fernando.

Ferrari will now going to pay Sauber and Hulkenberg to break the seal on gearbox for Fernando getting to the clean side of the grid :-D

BIG LOL....wouldn't surprise me if FERRARI did that....

[Paulo Goncalves]

What a driver you are, Fernando. Thanks


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[ManFromMilan]

Great job Fernando!:clap

Hoping for a good race from there

[Greig]

lol, you feared both cars would not make it into Q2 a few moments before...

No I didn't, maybe you are upset we are not further behind?

[Hornet]

P6 is pretty good all things considered. It's no surprise that the Merc, Lotus and Sauber are ahead of us, they have been ahead at least in qualifying in recent races.

Lets see what we can do tomorrow.

[scuderia_nano]

Nothing personal but Felipe was shambolic. Fernando with all that pain and discomfort proves why he is not the driver who is off to Williams.
Is it motivation factor in Felipe's case too? God alone knows but this is just too bad for that 2nd place battle in WCC.

[wacc]

And what was that? Not relief?


phew

[Greig]

And what was that? Not relief?

I never feared it as you said?

[wacc]

I never feared it as you said?

OK, sorry then. ;-)

[Greig]

Nothing personal but Felipe was shambolic. Fernando with all that pain and discomfort proves why he is not the driver who is off to Williams.
Is it motivation factor in Felipe's case too? God alone knows but this is just too bad for that 2nd place battle in WCC.

LOL really Alonso outquals Massa for the 2nd time in 6 races is it? and here comes the hatred for Felipe.....

You seem to swing from attacking Alonso, to Stefano to Massa, to Kimi.

[Suzie]

Wow I sure am going to miss when people take their frustration at the car out on Felipe. As per usual, when Alonso outqualifies him, Felipe is crap. But when Felipe outqualifies Fernando, there are even more hissy fits and moans about how Fernando's going to get past.

What a relief to not have to put up with that kind of nonsense next year.

[wacc]

In the end this was better result than most of us had expected.
6th and 15th - Fernando better, Felipe a bit worse. Not expecting much for the race.

[Senna4Ever]

The gap to RBs is just annoying and frustrating. So there's a race in the race: in the front RBs and the behind them the race where all other participate ...
Really surprised about Bottas: not only the car was performing out of a sudden he also managed it to bring it down.
Also by Kov ... not much practise absolutely new car for him ... I think also new track for him? so not bad ...

Thank you Fernando for picking out the chestnut from the fire ...
once again I could kick some at Ferrari in the :furious all night long for not taking Hulk ... What a :furious
Sad that Felipe seems not finding the right setup ... but maybe Ferrari broke something again which would make him even more loyal to the team


What about Fernando last race in Abu Dhabi. He wasn't in Q3 either?

I know ... and I think you have been on this place what was going on here when that happened? Lack of motivation at Fernando ... bla bla bla ...

Interview with Marko:
Tanja Bauer from Sky Germany asked him if it isn't a shame that Hulk isn't getting a seat for 2014 as his results are very good in the Sauber ...
Markos answer: I don't care about other I just look to our own trainees ...
Bauer a little surprised about his rude answer saying: No ... I just wanted to know if it isn't a bit surprising that Hulk has problems getting a seat in general (not RB).
Marko: Again, I don't care about others ....

This man kindly ask to be in the same line which I want to kick :furious all night long ...

[scuderia_nano]

LOL really Alonso outquals Massa for the 2nd time in 6 races is it? and here comes the hatred for Felipe.....

You seem to swing from attacking Alonso, to Stefano to Massa, to Kimi.

My wish.

[FranksterGM]

Everyone start praying to the anti Renault alternator gods...

But seriously 6th is ok, race pace should be ok...ish, not redbull pace but podium at a stretch.

[Katu]

P6 is more than i hoped for, to be honest

[Alonsomaniac]

Wow I sure am going to miss when people take their frustration at the car out on Felipe. As per usual, when Alonso outqualifies him, Felipe is crap. But when Felipe outqualifies Fernando, there are even more hissy fits and moans about how Fernando's going to get past.

What a relief to not have to put up with that kind of nonsense next year.

For Felipe's fans, indeed.....those who bash Felipe this way should be ashamed of themselves :giveup
I for myself think this result (6th and 15th) is not normal. Something must have been wrong because this difference is way too big to be realistic. Either Felipe made a mistake or something was not okay on the car.

[Senna4Ever]

Wow I sure am going to miss when people take their frustration at the car out on Felipe. As per usual, when Alonso outqualifies him, Felipe is crap. But when Felipe outqualifies Fernando, there are even more hissy fits and moans about how Fernando's going to get past.

Love is blindness?
which discussion did we had last race where Fernando was behind Felipe only by a blink of the eye?
Fernando don't want to race, lost motivation, Felipe now so relaxed ... etc etc. ...

But we can see tomorrow what Felipe Baby can make of the situation ... now his team need to work out good strategy ... points possible also for Felipe ...

[ManFromMilan]

but maybe Ferrari broke something again which would make him even more loyal to the team








:rotfl

Well said.

Yeah Marko and the whole RB attitude is just another reason we really have to beat them next year. And i really mean beat them.

[Greig]

Love is blindness?
which discussion did we had last race where Fernando was behind Felipe only by a blink of the eye?
Fernando don't want to race, lost motivation, Felipe now so relaxed ... etc etc. ...

But we can see tomorrow what Felipe Baby can make of the situation ... now his team need to work out good strategy ... points possible also for Felipe ...

Well clearly you are the blinded one....go read the race threads when Massa was ahead.

[Suzie]

Sad that Felipe seems not finding the right setup ... but maybe Ferrari broke something again which would make him even more loyal to the team





Massive LOLZ.

[Senna4Ever]

Something must have been wrong because this difference is way too big to be realistic. Either Felipe made a mistake or something was not okay on the car.

On Sky I have only seen that he cancelled is last try ... drove directly into box ... and then they (Sky) have shown that he made a mistake in the first corner on his lap: breaking too hard --> off the line then ... but then they changed to another screen (commercial) ... so unfortunately not more to see as this doesn't explain the gap ... so must have been more ...

Hulk told that track changed from FP3 to Q1 which forced them to change the setup of his car.
Maybe Felipe suffered more as we know how hard is to know in which direction you must go in the setup with actual car ...

But tomorrow weather should be hotter than today: maybe that favours him as it might give more grip ... on TV they always tell the Felipe favours softer tires with much grip ... so when a bit warmer tomorrow more grip and therefore Felipe feels more confident? Hope so ...

[Senna4Ever]

Well clearly you are the blinded one....go read the race threads when Massa was ahead.

We are talking about the qualifing - or not?
The race is different one - or not?

But thank you ... appreciate your advises anyway ...

[Greig]

We are talking about the qualifing - or not?
The race is different one - or not?

But thank you ... appreciate your advises anyway ...

LOL really is this the best you could come up with?

Fernando does not want to race was discussed you said, so race is qualifying or which?

[stefa]

Two more races and this torture is going go to stop till March next year, when hopefully it is going to be better.

[bonzo]

A quali I wish I had not watched:-(

[bonzo]

Two more races and this torture is going go to stop till March next year, when hopefully it is going to be better.
Either better or "we have to stay calm", "our upgrades did not correlate with expectations", etc, etc

[stefa]

A quali I wish I had not watched:-(

I didn't!

[ManFromMilan]

A quali I wish I had not watched:-(



But probably a good fight tomorrow where Fernando kick LH's ***.

Don't think we should expect better than 5'th for the race, but who knows, maybe Fernando feels feisty!:-D

And those Red Bulls could still pack up and blow an alternator or two.

[AfterLife]

And those Red Bulls could still pack up and blow an alternator or two.

RedBull use McLaren Alternator instead of Renault, so no alternator problem anymore. :roll

[Rob]

RedBull use McLaren Alternator instead of Renault, so no alternator problem anymore. :roll

They were using Magnetti Marelli alternators.

[F430]

Nothing; just signed a new deal with Williams LOL
What is problem with Massa? Probably disappointment with not extension contract with ferrari

[stefa]

Nothing; just signed a new deal with Williams LOL

Good for him......

[vagos]

:-( this year started well but ended in a total RB dominance :-(

[gjoko-mkd]

of course that pictures are from different sections of the track,but that treated wheels from RB car means something
http://www.omnicorse.it/img/articoli/evidenza/32639_la_red_bull_con_i_cerchi_trattati_con_il_pol ysil_e....jpg
http://pic.armedcats.net/s/sc/schumacherm/2013/11/16/BZNnE8OCUAAfo4r.jpg-large.jpg
http://pic.armedcats.net/s/sc/schumacherm/2013/11/16/BZNnE8OCUAAfo4r.jpg-large.jpg
http://pic.armedcats.net/s/sc/schumacherm/2013/11/16/BZNnE8OCUAAfo4r.jpg-large.jpg

[diego_alunan]

looks like it will be tough to beat tbe bulls yeat again.. i just hope webber beats vettel and nando have a great start for a couple of places...

ps this is the 2nd year in a row im missing the COTA GP... im pledging next year i need to be there

[Hornet]

Interesting thermal images. Wonder why the inner part of their rim gets heated up :Hmm

[giodap]

Interesting thermal images. Wonder why the inner part of their rim gets heated up :Hmm

notice how vettels rim is heated up alot, hamiltons a little bit and alonsos not at all

[DIEK]

:-( this year started well but ended in a total RB dominance :-(

Change of tyres is the answer.

[Kingdom Hearts]

Interesting thermal images. Wonder why the inner part of their rim gets heated up :Hmm

The thermal cam is just for the show, it never shows an accurate representation of the heat. The team complained when it was showing the real thing.

[Module]

Interesting thermal images. Wonder why the inner part of their rim gets heated up :Hmm

If you look at the images some more you can see that when they come up to a corner the rim gets heated, and on a straight it is cooled down. I'll go out on a lim here but maybe they brake coming in to a corner?

On the images Alonso is on a straight, Hamilton is approaching a corner and Vettel is in a corner

[stefa]

My thought on this is that there is no conspiracy theory at all! It just heat up and that is! For sure that is not gaining them such advantage that they have on rest of the field.

[wisepie]

Great effort from FA with that dog of a car, as for Felipe it seems he aborted his attempt at a lap and only had one chance. As long as we get a clean start, Felipe can still come into play as long as he gets a reasonable strategy for once and isn't being told get out of Fernando's way. We can but hope.:pray

[ManFromMilan]

Interesting thermal images. Wonder why the inner part of their rim gets heated up :Hmm



Hopefully something that is going to fail:-D

[Dino]

Interesting thermal images. Wonder why the inner part of their rim gets heated up :Hmm

Vettel's front rims where already that hot befor the car was lowered to the ground in the Red Bull garage!!!!!!!!!:lou

[wisepie]

Vettel's front rims where already that hot befor the car was lowered to the ground in the Red Bull garage!!!!!!!!!:lou

I just don't get how RB can have the upper hand in every aspect of the car, whatever the circuit. It's also getting to the point where we have to accept Vettel's consummate ability as a driver, which I hate to admit. It's so damned depressing for everyone else, including the spectators and even more so for us Tifosi. In fact, it stinks.:furious

[hrc5555]

Anyone knows top speed?

[Hermann]

I just don't get how RB can have the upper hand in every aspect of the car, whatever the circuit. It's also getting to the point where we have to accept Vettel's consummate ability as a driver, which I hate to admit. It's so damned depressing for everyone else, including the spectators and even more so for us Tifosi. In fact, it stinks.:furious

We don't 'have to accept' anything, and i for sure don't, no matter how many title in a row they're winning. I have a finger too.

[FFFerrari]

We don't 'have to accept' anything, and i for sure don't, no matter how many title in a row they're winning. I have a finger too.

I bet it's not the index one! :rotfl

[Gerhard Berger]

We don't 'have to accept' anything, and i for sure don't, no matter how many title in a row they're winning. I have a finger too.

Agreed even yesterday he only beat Webber by a tenth, whereas the next best car was a second behind. Looking at the onboard of Vettel's lap, he messed up T1 and T11 - it was by no means a perfect lap, but of course he will get all the plaudits because he took the pole position.

[Gerhard Berger]

Anyone knows top speed?

It is 308kmh, similar to the Red Bulls. Nothing special. Hamilton is faster in the speed traps.

[stefa]

Great effort from FA with that dog of a car, as for Felipe it seems he aborted his attempt at a lap and only had one chance. As long as we get a clean start, Felipe can still come into play as long as he gets a reasonable strategy for once and isn't being told get out of Fernando's way. We can but hope.:pray

How do you think FM will be in position to be told by the team to get out of FA way?!?!?

[zike]

Agreed even yesterday he only beat Webber by a tenth, whereas the next best car was a second behind. Looking at the onboard of Vettel's lap, he messed up T1 and T11 - it was by no means a perfect lap, but of course he will get all the plaudits because he took the pole position.

I am hopping that one day he will have a bad car, and evryone will see how bad he is ;-)

[DIEK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcmbNBm_3yE

:lol

[wisepie]

How do you think FM will be in position to be told by the team to get out of FA way?!?!?

Wishful thinking on my part that Felipe might have had the chance to be in that position, stefa, but surely you understand what I mean in the sense that Massa's strategies have often ruined his race. As for my saying that Vettel must now be accepted as a very good driver, I begrudgingly believe that to be true despite wanting him to poke that finger where the sun don't shine.

[DIEK]

Agreed even yesterday he only beat Webber by a tenth, whereas the next best car was a second behind. Looking at the onboard of Vettel's lap, he messed up T1 and T11 - it was by no means a perfect lap, but of course he will get all the plaudits because he took the pole position.

http://i43.tinypic.com/35d5hkg.jpg

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/196fs3g8x2mnegif/ku-xlarge.gif

;-)

[stefa]

I am hopping that one day he will have a bad car, and evryone will see how bad he is ;-)

I don't have any hard evidence, but I don't think he is a bad driver. On the contrary I think he is a real good one....

[wacc]

I don't have any hard evidence, but I don't think he is a bad driver. On the contrary I think he is a real good one....

He is good, but by far not as much as his results. That's all.

[Jas]

An unusual question, but do u think vettel has been able to home is skills in a very good car and then when he gets a bad car he will be able to cope so his skills are hidden? weird question but im sure if you wernt the quickest, a quick car will allow you to develop to the level of the naturally talented...because when he does have a bad car im wondering if he will be shown out that's all! so relaxed for this race!

[stefa]

An unusual question, but do u think vettel has been able to home is skills in a very good car and then when he gets a bad car he will be able to cope so his skills are hidden? weird question but im sure if you wernt the quickest, a quick car will allow you to develop to the level of the naturally talented...because when he does have a bad car im wondering if he will be shown out that's all! so relaxed for this race!

I am not definding SV, so please do not Judas me.
Why people think is is bad driver after all. Didn't he drove Toro Rosso car prior to Red Bull? He won Monza 2008 in very difficult conditions. Same year last race, he was also good behind the wheel of week TR car again at very difficult track conditions...

[Greig]

I am not definding SV, so please do not Judas me.
Why people think is is bad driver after all. Didn't he drove Toro Rosso car prior to Red Bull? He won Monza 2008 in very difficult conditions. Same year last race, he was also good behind the wheel of week TR car again at very difficult track conditions...

Indeed, Seb is clearly a quality driver. We had much the same said about Alonso when he was at Renault on this forum. He was always downgraded and talked about as if it was all the car.