US GP 2013 - Race Thread

[Forzi]

One hour to go till the lights go out!

:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:pass:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[bonzo]

If we are going to lose 2nd in WCC, it's gona be today.

[Massimo181]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-pd-show/theater

Good stream

[Hornet]

Good day everyone
:wave

Would be great if we can get a podium today

[wisepie]

If we are going to lose 2nd in WCC, it's gona be today.

And with GRO and KOV in the Lotuses, it may be them who get even closer. But we're due some good fortune so everything's crossed. Avanti ragazzi!

[Massimo181]

Lets wait and see if Vettel's gearbox makes it to the end of the race!

[Kingdom Hearts]

Let's hope we have a nice day :ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[stefa]

Let's hope we have a nice day :ferrarifl:ferrarifl

With plenty of point harvest :-)

[vcs316]

Rosberg request's decreasing Front Wing flap angle "down point five"
Re:"Copy, Nico, down 2"

[FA fan]

Let's hope both our drivers have a good clean start and make up some positions,and get the maximum possible points,and hopefully a podium. :ferrarifl:pass:ferrarifl

[vcs316]

Lewis,"My brake pedal's quite soft and long"

"Copy that, Lewis, no more brake throttle overlap, just normal stops"

[vcs316]

Massa, "The KERS is not working, too much grippy"

Smedley,"Yeah, we saw that as well, we'll obviously have a look for the start once we're on the grid"

[Katu]

Heikki hasn't driven so fast car for ages now..

[DIEK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZSuHDNIAAAG2dR.jpg:large

[stefa]

Great :-(

[stefa]

Great :-(

Didn't said that for above picture (FIA), but for FM KERS problems :-)

[DIEK]

http://i.minus.com/j7GRlovRyLo9T.jpg

:-P

[tifosi1993]

FORZA FERRARI

:ferrarifl

[vcs316]

http://i.minus.com/j7GRlovRyLo9T.jpg

:-P

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/ratoca/ratoca1109/ratoca110900096/10519687-emoticon-with-glasses-futuristic.jpg

[Hornet]

:lol

[vcs316]

Rosberg,"I'm just not sure if coming in early is the thing to do with the temperature"


To Rosberg,"Generally agreed...I'll let you know around lap 15....important to look after the tyres"

[qb_marukochan]

from fp2 race pace, race should be fun. Alonso has more race pace than people infront of him, except red bull. we ll see :D

[Corey]

:thumb

[wacc]

Good luck to the team and both drivers.

:ferrarifl

[vcs316]

"Jenson, as you would expect, track temps is rising...should get well above 40°, so should work out"

[Katu]

good luck for our guys, let's hope for the best start possible!

[FFFerrari]

Good luck guys, lets get a podium!

:ferrarifl

[DIEK]

The onboard of Alonso shows a barely perfect lap in Q3...

[vcs316]

Lewis, "you guys are preparing the tyres differently, right?....don't be surprised if it's a 2 stop"

[fratelliferrari]

Forza Ferrari :ferrarifl

[vcs316]

Vettel to launch from Clutch map 8, reminded "no part throttle"

[fratelliferrari]

http://i.minus.com/j7GRlovRyLo9T.jpg

:-P

Great :-D

[m schumy]

Safety car

[Corey]

http://i.minus.com/j7GRlovRyLo9T.jpg

:-P

Perfect timeline picture for FB! :-D

[tifosi1993]

Safety car

[SinanOzerS]

Very strange.

[vcs316]

Safety Car deployed as SUT loses two wheels off his car. Driver is OK. Contact on back straight - looks like GUT was the other car.

[wacc]

Felipe once again overtook 2 cars on the backstraight :clap

[tifosi1993]

Great :-D

Indeed! :-D

[Katu]

and they renewed Sutil's contract...

[fratelliferrari]

Felipe once again overtook 2 cars on the backstraight :clap

Yes indeed great overtaking move :thumb

[FFFerrari]

Safety Car deployed as SUT loses two wheels off his car. Driver is OK. Contact on back straight - looks like GUT was the other car.

It was Maldonado.

[vcs316]

JB,"Whats the reason for the Safety Car?"
Re:"....Sutil is in the wall"

[vcs316]

To Lewis,"OK, let's just allow the calipers to cool a little"


Jev's brake caliper temps are "high" so told to cool the brakes

[Katu]

they are so 'fast' removing cars from track...

[fratelliferrari]

they are so 'fast' removing cars from track...

Yesterday was even more funny :lol

[vcs316]

To PdiR,"Very good if we could clear Bottas, very good for our strategy"

[Katu]

Yesterday was even more funny :lol

you mean the beached tractor, that was classic

[stefa]

What a boring race.....

[Katu]

williams again has sabotaged Maldonado's car... for sure

[vcs316]

Pastor,"There is some vibration in the car"
Re:"OK,Pastor, we're just checking the data"

[vcs316]

boring procession race...

[FerrariF60]

what a useless TRACK this is....BORINGGGGGG!!!:-ZZ

[fratelliferrari]

boring procession race...

I totally agree :-s

[vcs316]

Massa informed Alonso's gaining time on him in T4,5,6 by carrying 5th gear through the corner

[vcs316]

Even with DRS it is difficult to overtake...

[Massimo181]

very boring

[vcs316]

Even Ferrari agrees:


@InsideFerrari 52s
#GPUSA Nothing significative happens, it looks like a procession - Non succede nulla di significativo, sembra una processione.

[SinanOzerS]

What a move.

[vcs316]

ALO did a 1:46:4 last lap.. A full 1.7 sec slower than Perez

[stefa]

VB is driving almost the same pace as FA?!?!?!?

[vcs316]

Lewis reminded to protect the tyres
Lewis,"That's what I'm doing, man, let me focus" :lol

[stefa]

FM?!?!?!??!

[FFFerrari]

Fernando is dropping in lap times :Hmm

[vcs316]

VB is driving almost the same pace as FA?!?!?!?

I think there is no pace in the F138 this weekend...

[wacc]

Do not tell me McLaren has better race pace than Ferrari :-??

[Massimo181]

Maybe Alonso is saving tyres?

[FerrariF60]

ALO did a 1:46:4 last lap.. A full 1.7 sec slower than Perez

he's saving tires....LOLOLOLOL

that F138 is a true 100% MULE...even teh ********** mclaren of perez is faster then us...

i SO can't wait for this season to be over...ONE MORE RACE AFTER THIS....what a shitty season has been for the Scuderia

[paneristi]

looks like every team is getting faster but ferrari??

[vcs316]

Massa told to lift throttle "A tiny bit" on entry to T17 "just to save the tyres"

[vcs316]

Lewis,"I don't have the grip, man"
Re:"OK, message understood"

[Rob]

Think Pirelli should of bought the softs, this isnt looking good. To conservative. Not enough for the "show" as they were asked.

[Jas]

even the warmer temps are not helping us...from what I can remember last year their was a lot more overtaking...why Pirelli brought such hard tyre slipping around I will never know!

[Jas]

USA gunna be hating on us this year!

[vcs316]

"OK, Seabatian, going as far as we can is much more important than as fast as we can, so going for the distance, not the speed"

[Massimo181]

[QUOTE=FerrariF60;815855]he's saving tires....LOLOLOLOL Tyres - Tires?

[vcs316]

@InsideFerrari 3m

#GPUSA When you're in traffic the risk is to struggle with the tyres so it's better to have some space in front to make them last longer

[radosav]

We need to stay calm!

[F2003GA]

We need to stay calm!


:lol

[vcs316]

"Alright, Sebastian, your Torque pattern around the track is good, we like it"

[Kyss4k]

even the warmer temps are not helping us...from what I can remember last year their was a lot more overtaking...why Pirelli brought such hard tyre slipping around I will never know!

I'll tell you both why. Because people were ****** about the tyres going off too fast. See? No matter what they do, people are not satisfied.

Ok, I'm off again... bye.

[vcs316]

We need to stay calm!

oh, that will come after the race.. need to stay calm, analyze what went wrong, fight till the end etc etc

[VSI]

We need to stay calm!

Race so "calm", almost dozed off...:-ZZ

[Katu]

slow pitstops today

[radosav]

We don't like it!

[FFFerrari]

FM told to push hard before box.

[vcs316]

Perez reports the balance is as expected and "very low deg"


Perez reports,"very difficult to overtake"

[Massimo181]

Come on Fernando!!

[FFFerrari]

Felipe overtakes JB thanks to fast pitstop.

[F2003GA]

Thanks for your contribution vcs316 :-)

[vcs316]

"OK, Lewis, 2 tenths faster than Hulkenberg last lap, it's all starting to kick off now"

[vcs316]

"And Checo, could be racing cars at the exit, left hand toggle up"


"OK, Lewis, your pit window is open...we want to maximize this stint.."

[stefa]

Why Ferrari is not pitting FA?!??!

[vcs316]

Stella,"Now we try and close on Hulkenberg"

[SinanOzerS]

Why Ferrari is not pitting FA?!??!

Maybe we're trying non-stop strategy ? :lol

[vcs316]

Why Ferrari is not pitting FA?!??!

very low degraation on the tyres.. maybe we are doing a one stopper with ALO

[vcs316]

"OK, Checo, Gutierrez and Vergne are on 23 lap old tyres, if we can get ahead of them, we can get Alonso"

[vcs316]

Rocky,"All these guys in front have stopped already, so they're not going to be that slow"

[fratelliferrari]

That was close but luckily Alonso holds position

[stefa]

This was close :-)

[Katu]

great pitstop

[vcs316]

RIC's engine temps "Are increasing" so "we need to catch more clean air on the straights"

[stefa]

2.3 sec pit stop for MW?!?!?!?

[radosav]

Why Ferrari is not pitting FA?!??!

Everybody has pity on FA!

[SinanOzerS]

Classic Alonso move.

[tifosi1993]

YES

[vcs316]

Go Nando!!!

[Jas]

2.3 second stop...may be a record...that quick...red bull quick...they just quickkkkkk!

[Massimo181]

Come on Fernando!!

[Katu]

good move

[stefa]

Everybody has pity on FA!

:-) I see it :-)

[Rob]

make your mind up lewis lol

[bonzo]

With Rosberg into the points - bye, bye, P2 in WCC

[wacc]

Felipe one of the slowest cars on track.

[Katu]

With Rosberg into the points - bye, bye, P2 in WCC

because our other driver sits on P13 and probablyb won't move from there

[DIEK]

what a useless TRACK this is....BORINGGGGGG!!!:-ZZ


I totally agree :-s


boring procession race...

http://www.lolzgif.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/oops-fall-asleep.gif

[SinanOzerS]

Bottas !

[fratelliferrari]

Nice overtake by Bottas

[FA fan]

http://www.lolzgif.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/oops-fall-asleep.gif

:rotfl

[bonzo]

Felipe driving on cruise control? Feeling sleepy may be...

[bonzo]

Rob trying to wake Massa up

[paneristi]

he was requested to stay calm..

Felipe driving on cruise control? Feeling sleepy may be...

[SinanOzerS]

Felipe is in the pit.WHAT ?

[fratelliferrari]

Why does Felipe pit?

[wacc]

to be fair, he has TR 1s. before him.

[bonzo]

Vettel's will have more points than Ferrari total WCC by the end of this race!!!:-(

[tifosi1993]

Go Fernando

[FFFerrari]

Vettel's will have more points than Ferrari total WCC by the end of this race!!!:-(

Yeah, this reminds me of 2011.

[fratelliferrari]

Vettel's will have more points than Ferrari total WCC by the end of this race!!!:-(

Ouch that hurts :-(

[FFFerrari]

ALO pushing to catch HUL.

[DIEK]

Alo fly! :-)

[wacc]

Felilpe slower on mediums than Fernando on older hards

[VSI]

Alo fly! :-)

I believe Alo can fly...

[fratelliferrari]

Felilpe slower on mediums than Fernando on older hards

There has to be something with Felipe's car. I heard the commentator say Felipe had a KERS issue but Iam not sure if he's right

[stefa]

FM is slower than FA...?!?!?!?!?

[FFFerrari]

It's crucial for WCC for ALO to get up to 4th.

[SinanOzerS]

NANDO !!

[FFFerrari]

ALO passes HUL!

[fratelliferrari]

Well done Fernando

[stefa]

Thank God Ferrari is having FA

[tifosi1993]

ALONSO

[paneristi]

Go Fernando!

[bonzo]

Yeesss! Go catch hamster now

[wacc]

Fernando copied the Gutierez move on Hulk :clap

[Katu]

at least our one driver can pass other, with older tyres

[Massimo181]

Hamilton next

[fratelliferrari]

at least our one driver can pass other, with older tyres

You will be very happy that Felipe leaves, right :furious

[paneristi]

I think Nando to pass Lewis on lap 50

[Greig]

at least our one driver can pass other, with older tyres

Oh.

[Greig]

You will be very happy that Felipe leaves, right :furious

Don't worry Kimi will get the same treatment next year.....must be boring always having to have an enemy at Ferrari though....

[Massimo181]

Can we see Alonso please not DIR

[SinanOzerS]

at least our one driver can pass other, with older tyres

Ouch.

[Katu]

one driver is on P5, other in P15, difference 60 sec, honestly you can't have any excuses for that

[tifosi1993]

Dropping back from Hamilton.....

[paneristi]

FA losing pace to LH

[bonzo]

15points down from Merc in wcc, meaning 15 million dollars less in prize money:-(

[Massimo181]

Alonso's tyres gone!!

[Greig]

15points down from Merc in wcc, meaning 15 million dollars less in prize money:-(

Our special deal with Bernie will give us more anyway, not that we race to make money.

[stefa]

More and more I start to think that Ferrari has picked wrong Lotus driver......

[bonzo]

Our Accountant will have to revise the expected cash inflow from 2013 prize money. No doubt SD can accomodate this, he is a professional accountant. And LdM pockets are deep :-D

[Rob]

Our Accountant will have to revise the expected cash inflow from 2013 prize money. No doubt SD can accomodate this, he is a professional accountant. And LdM pockets are deep :-D

so far this year our profits are up, cannt remember how much but i did post it up in the enzo forum

[Greig]

Our Accountant will have to revise the expected cash inflow from 2013 prize money. No doubt SD can accomodate this, he is a professional accountant. And LdM pockets are deep :-D

LOL so funny. Our budget is not affected by price money but hahahaha

[stefa]

FA is not looking good :-(

[fratelliferrari]

I hope Fernando can hold P5

[paneristi]

Hod on Nando

[tifosi1993]

C'mon Fernando

[wacc]

Button who was behind Felipe for much of a time is now in the points.
Fernando :clap :clap :clap

[SinanOzerS]

Genius driving from Nando.

[fratelliferrari]

That was close

[Greig]

Button who was behind Felipe for much of a time is now in the points.
Fernando :clap :clap :clap

Button stopped once, but you know that right?

[Rob]

More and more I start to think that Ferrari has picked wrong Lotus driver......

wrong driver wrong team should been hulk

[Rob]

more donuts to get fans to like him more

[Hornet]

Great driving by Alonso to hang on to 5th.

[stefa]

wrong driver wrong team should been hulk

Arguably, but Hulk is also a good pick

[wacc]

Button stopped once, but you know that right?

So whos fault is it that Felipe could not have stayed in front of Button?

[FA fan]

wrong driver wrong team should been hulk

+1

[Massimo181]

Vettel get lost!!! I love you guys yukk yukk yukkk

[fratelliferrari]

more donuts to get fans to like him more

He has to do something and still it doesn't work :rotfl

[Greig]

So whos fault is it that Felipe could not have stayed in front of Button?

Fault? you can blame whoever makes you feel better.

[tifosi1993]

Another stellar drive from Nando, well done.

[Massimo181]

25k for doughnuts!!!

[Alonso14]

Fernando Alonso, you are the man.

Stefano, Tombazidis, aero team - you are not.

[tifosi1993]

wrong driver wrong team should been hulk

+2

[wacc]

Fault? you can blame whoever makes you feel better.

I only said, that Button finished 10th. What is wrong with that statement?
Btw tf Button was Fernando, a lot of people would now be saying Ferrari screwed Felipe because of Fernando.

[bonzo]

25k for doughnuts!!!

No chance, he parked the car ok

[Massimo181]

Fernando Alonso, you are the man.

Stefano, Tombazidis, aero team - you are not.

Well said laters see you all next week!! Forza Ferrari

[Greig]

Well said laters see you all next week!! Forza Ferrari

LOL spend all weekend moaning then sign of with Forza Ferrari.....

Brilliant

[FFFerrari]

Our special deal with Bernie will give us more anyway, not that we race to make money.

That is true. But I guess it's about pride and the numbers on the cars next year.

[FFFerrari]

Some silicone on the podium tonight.

[bonzo]

Vettel 372 points, Ferrari aggregate 333 points in wcc:clap:clap Well done Stefano! We are all staying CALM :furious

[Alessandra]

Fernando takes 2nd place in WDC, again. Well done Nando.:thumb
Great pitstop from Ferrari boys.:clap
But I have to say that wqsn't a great race; a procession for at least 2/3.

Lotus will be dellghted with Grosjean.

[Corey]

A-MUH-rican soil :lol

[wacc]

Mark left podium :-E

[radosav]

Only exciting thing about Vettels driving are those donuts !

[stefa]

What a boring race this was!

[stefa]

Good night you all!

[paneristi]

I wonder what Enzo's reaction up there in heaven. Don't think he's calm up there

Vettel 372 points, Ferrari aggregate 333 points in wcc:clap:clap Well done Stefano! We are all staying CALM :furious

[wacc]

It wasn't to be better than 4th today for Ferrari.
It will not be better next Sunday except Felipe will finish higher for sure.

[vagos]

Alonso 5th..... Looking forward for,next year and I do hope that something drastic will change..... FORZA ferrariiiiii

[Italian Spirit]

Another stellar drive from Nando, well done.

The only stellar drive I saw today was by Grosjean. :clap

[DIEK]

The only stellar drive I saw today was by Grosjean. :clap

How can you say that, seeing where is Massa. Alonso has saved Ferrari from ridicule, once again.

[bonzo]

Alonso 5th..... Looking forward for,next year and I do hope that something drastic will change..... FORZA ferrariiiiii

something drastic
Stefano Domenicali

[Suzie]

Alonso has saved Ferrari from ridicule, once again.

They are still getting ridiculed so apparently not.

[Rob]

They are still getting ridiculed so apparently not.

:clap

[ManFromMilan]

When will the pain stop!:-(

Great drive from Alonso, everything considered.

[Ealdfrith]

The only stellar drive I saw today was by Grosjean. :clap

I suggest you pay a visit to the optician as soon as possible, ALO drove a hell of a race and once again saved Ferrari's face.

Your dear Felipe is only 121 points behind Fernando and added no points for the constructors' championship. In the end we will have Alonso 2nd in WDC and Ferrari 3rd or 4th in the WCC. Not great, no.

[Suzie]

I suggest you pay a visit to the optician as soon as possible, ALO drove a hell of a race and once again saved Ferrari's face.

Your dear Felipe is only 121 points behind Fernando and added no points for the constructors' championship. In the end we will have Alonso 2nd in WDC and Ferrari 3rd or 4th in the WCC. Not great, no.

Who is this aimed at, please.

[Ealdfrith]

To Italian Spirit, sorry, forgot to quote... alredy fixed!

[Suzie]

This feels like the quietest TSN has ever been during and after a race :-??

[Alonsomaniac]

Boring race, well driven by Fernando, Romain and Lewis. That's about it.....
What worries me the most now, HOW ON EARTH will Ferrari be able to give Felipe a car good enough for a great goodbye race???:-??

[Alonsomaniac]

I suggest you pay a visit to the optician as soon as possible, ALO drove a hell of a race and once again saved Ferrari's face.

Your dear Felipe is only 121 points behind Fernando and added no points for the constructors' championship. In the end we will have Alonso 2nd in WDC and Ferrari 3rd or 4th in the WCC. Not great, no.


May I remind you that to almost every Ferrari fan Felipe Massa is indeed "dear Felipe" ?
Bashing him in only your second post here is not appreciated.:-!

[Umbria]

This season can't end fast enough for me, I'm so sick of finger boy! I just hope our guys build a fast & reliable car for next year, if so it is going to be a blast to watch Kimi and Fernando duke it out.

[ferrari4life]

the sad state of F1 could be symbolized by an American F1 fan that refused to turn the tv on to watch this stupid Formula Red Bull crap.

[Hornet]

This feels like the quietest TSN has ever been during and after a race :-??

Wonder how many people turned off their TV halfway through, or even watched at all after seeing the qualifying result. Sadly for the last few races, the appeal just isn't there with the title fight over, and what appears to be a common pattern where Vettel wins uncontested.

[Suzie]

Wonder how many people turned off their TV halfway through, or even watched at all after seeing the qualifying result. Sadly for the last few races, the appeal just isn't there with the title fight over, and what appears to be a common pattern where Vettel wins uncontested.

Vettel winning all the time doesn't bother me - as a Schumacher fan during his time at Ferrari it would be hypocritical of me to moan about the current RBR domination. It's the fact that drivers are being told NOT to push that is putting me off F1. Along with pay drivers getting plum seats, drivers being penalised for celebrating, classic tracks being dumped in favour of races in countries that don't have a solid fanbase.

We can moan all we like about Sebastian Vettel 'ruining' F1 - he is absolutely not the main problem it has.

[Giallo 550]

Between Vettel not being challenged and the commentators on NBC Sports gushing over how modest he has become, my country's Gran Prix was relegated to background noise. I am incredibly disappointed with the second half of this season.

[Suzie]

Sorry to go against the grain, but I don't think Vettel winning all the time is the fundamental problem F1 has.

[scuderia_nano]

What a boring race!
I hope we finish 4th in the constructors. That's hw well we have done and I'm sure next season is going to be like a season that Lotus is having this year.
I'm not so excited bout 2014. Its the 3rd season in 5 years that we haven't found out our problems with the car and "concentrated" on the upcoming season.
So, I'm half expecting a repeat.

[Nova]

Vettel winning all the time doesn't bother me - as a Schumacher fan during his time at Ferrari it would be hypocritical of me to moan about the current RBR domination. It's the fact that drivers are being told NOT to push that is putting me off F1. Along with pay drivers getting plum seats, drivers being penalised for celebrating, classic tracks being dumped in favour of races in countries that don't have a solid fanbase.

We can moan all we like about Sebastian Vettel 'ruining' F1 - he is absolutely not the main problem it has.

I have to agree..If I hear one more driver say that he has to save or conserve his tires, I'll turn the channel.
I remember the US GP years ago when young Vettel driving a BMW finished 8th in his 1st F1 race. I knew then he was going to be good.
Too bad its not a Ferrari. Now I see Hulk and Bottas as the good new guys.

Every time the fia changes rules to make more passing, or races more competitive, theres no passing...Instead of watching guys pass and dice, I have to see who will get out of the pits b4 the other guy. F1 needs something...

[Hornet]

Vettel winning all the time doesn't bother me - as a Schumacher fan during his time at Ferrari it would be hypocritical of me to moan about the current RBR domination. It's the fact that drivers are being told NOT to push that is putting me off F1. Along with pay drivers getting plum seats, drivers being penalised for celebrating, classic tracks being dumped in favour of races in countries that don't have a solid fanbase.

We can moan all we like about Sebastian Vettel 'ruining' F1 - he is absolutely not the main problem it has.
Yeah I agree that Vettel's dominance is not a problem in the sport. I just think that for the general viewers, people tend to get turned off by the lack of racing at the front, be it Vettel or anyone else. Seeing the same car pulling away at the front every week, it's just not fun to watch. Nothing wrong in terms of competition as they did a better job, but it's not something the general viewers enjoy watching.

So we can't blame Vettel for winning, but we also cannot blame the viewers for changing the channel to something more entertaining.

[Corey]

Some fans ultimately changes the channel, others (such as diehards) don't. The reason is simply the fact that surprises may happen despite how boring the race appears to be, Silverstone this year is an apt example. What I usually do on a boring race (like today's) is to take out my laptop or anything else that allows myself to multi task while keeping F1 on the TV at the same time, and only turn my eyes back to to full focus on the screen whenever there's the occasional drama such as crashes, Red Bull in trouble etc. Nowadays it is kind of impossible to sit through the entire race straight only looking at the screen and not having to look for any other form of entertainment

[Kingdom Hearts]

Great race by Fernando and the team, 2nd in the WDC with this car is a miracle. Massa?, lol, was his twin brother driving again?.

[Rishu]

Conservative Tyre choice + No refueling + 5th year with similar regulations = BORING race

Nothing to do with the track, I actually like the COTA

[Giallo 550]

Sorry to go against the grain, but I don't think Vettel winning all the time is the fundamental problem F1 has.

Oh, it's definitely not, but it doesn't help.

[pluto]

So another pathetic performance where we are fighting with saubers, who have overtaken us in car development. Just shameful, and they had a better car than us last year as well imo. Disaster. and still nobody is sacked.

[Bubbles]

So another pathetic performance where we are fighting with saubers, who have overtaken us in car development. Just shameful, and they had a better car than us last year as well imo. Disaster. and still nobody is sacked.

That may be true, but at least we're calm. I guess that's what happens when you put an accountant to run the Ferrari F1 team.

[stefa]

Can't wait till next weekend when all this misery is going to end. At least for this year...

[Hornet]

So another pathetic performance where we are fighting with saubers, who have overtaken us in car development. Just shameful, and they had a better car than us last year as well imo. Disaster. and still nobody is sacked.

That's because Ferrari stopped trying to run in this year's development race when it became apparent by the end of the European tour that the titles are practically in Red Bull's bag. So yeah, naturally other teams are going to overtake us.

As Martin Brundle said yesterday, by the end of next weekend, these will be all scrap metal. Sure Ferrari could beat Sauber by continue developing this year's car, but what's the point. Our season ended when we lost the title. Anything that happens after that doesn't mean much anymore.

If Ferrari could stop attending races and spend the time testing our 2014 car, I'm sure the team would do that. We can't of course, but the development guys back at the factory can, and that's what they have been doing.;-)

[F2002]

Can't wait till next weekend when all this misery is going to end. At least for this year...


That may be true, but at least we're calm. I guess that's what happens when you put an accountant to run the Ferrari F1 team.

"..we must grit our teeth all the way to the end in Brazil, trying our best to maximize the car’s potential, because I expect the team to react in Interlagos."

He actually said that in the official press release. He wants an "immediate reaction" now!

I really do hope that next year won't be another chapter from his book of encouraging phrases...

[wisepie]

Have to agree with Suzie and Hornet, this race was a joke if it was supposed to promote F1 in the US, compared to what they're used to with NASCAR, it just isn't racing in the true sense. Tyre choice was too conservative and the race became a procession very quickly with the odd good move to keep us awake. Fernando did all he could and Felipe for whatver reason just didn't/couldn't extract himself from the midfield and the final stop was the last straw. What a depressing and frustrating race for him and for us, Fernando just about held it together but we're now looking to Brazil and I fear that Felipe's last race with us may be a happy release for him. It sucks.:-s

[Sonic Feathers]

I suggest you pay a visit to the optician as soon as possible, ALO drove a hell of a race and once again saved Ferrari's face.

Your dear Felipe is only 121 points behind Fernando and added no points for the constructors' championship. In the end we will have Alonso 2nd in WDC and Ferrari 3rd or 4th in the WCC. Not great, no.

"Your dear Felipe.."? Oh you misstated surely, you mean Ferraris' dear Felipe... till after Brazil. Yup, what about him? Read the words of Luca, Stefano, Pat, Fernando & the tech team about what they think of him before saying more. They know the reason for the point deficit better than anyone, including you. So hold your jeers.

Here's what Fernando said of the race (edited)...
"Finishing in the top five today is a very positive result when you consider how difficult this weekend has been.... In the first part of the race, we weren't quick and we decided to save the tyres and then attack round the pit stop... but even if our situation compared to Mercedes has improved, we were unable to beat them. I am very proud of this second place in the drivers’ Championship, it’s a small reward for me, the same as being first of the “mortals” behind Red Bull ... We really must improve there, because our goal is still to finish second in the constructor’s championship”

This comes from a man who is peerless among us mere supporters, he is our lead Ferrari driver, a man more than worthy of his status. Note, he does not knock his team or team mate after a less than stellar weekends result. What makes you think that you can throw your panties on this stage & then douche the rest of our Scuderia Ferrari? The entire team makes Ferrari & that is who Tifosi support here, 1st, then our preferred driver with a lot of respect for Ferraris' choice of the other driver.
Follow the lead of other Alonso (mainly) supporters like e.g. Alonsomaniac, he still shows respect to Massa & Ferraris choice of him being a Ferrari driver until after Brazil. Alonsomaniac is true Tifosi who ... is a loyal supporter of his driver & mimics his heros' attitude, of supporting Ferrari firstly! Respekt!

Again... without being privy to all that goes on in the car on track & the factory and you think, we (Ferrari), are only worthy of 3rd or 4th. Keep your pessimism to yourself. If Fernando believes 2nd is possible in this Ferrari (i.e. the 2nd best car on the grid !) ... as a Tifosi & supporter of Ferraris' choices, I support our drivers belief. All supporters of SF are very passionate. This forum is for them. Get with the theme of this forum & show respect to all of Enzos' legacy, one of the best brands in the world - Ferrari, as a team.

[Sonic Feathers]

Have to agree with Suzie and Hornet, this race was a joke if it was supposed to promote F1 in the US, compared to what they're used to with NASCAR, it just isn't racing in the true sense. Tyre choice was too conservative and the race became a procession very quickly with the odd good move to keep us awake. Fernando did all he could and Felipe for whatver reason just didn't/couldn't extract himself from the midfield and the final stop was the last straw. What a depressing and frustrating race for him and for us, Fernando just about held it together but we're now looking to Brazil and I fear that Felipe's last race with us may be a happy release for him. It sucks.:-s

+1

[Greig]

Was a terrible race even by modern F1 standards, when 1 stop is the optimum strategy then it's always going to be a snore.

[F2002]

The biggest paradox in modern Formula One is that everybody has the same tyres, but then they are allowed a certain degree of freedom with regards to aerodynamics, engine mapping, etc.

And the biggest paradox in modern Formula One circuits is that they have the longest straights, but still nobody is able to overtake.

[F2008]

And the biggest paradox in modern Formula One circuits is that they have the longest straights, but still nobody is able to overtake.

I think the corners that lead on to the straights are too slow. In Abu Dhabi it's the same.

[FA fan]

Was a terrible race even by modern F1 standards, when 1 stop is the optimum strategy then it's always going to be a snore.

Well I think pirelli are arm twisting the FIA by telling them if they dont give them updated cars to test the tyres,then their going to be ultra conservative in 2014! so let's hope it's not all 1 stop races!

[Ealdfrith]

May I remind you that to almost every Ferrari fan Felipe Massa is indeed "dear Felipe" ?
Bashing him in only your second post here is not appreciated.:-!

I appreciated Felipe a lot until he said that he was racing only for himself and suddenly became capable of racing Fernando and Fernando alone, once ALO got past him he just diluted... and this will cost Ferrari dear in the WCC.

[chandran2313]

:thumb

[chandran2313]

I appreciated Felipe a lot until he said that he was racing only for himself and suddenly became capable of racing Fernando and Fernando alone, once ALO got past him he just diluted... and this will cost Ferrari dear in the WCC.

[chandran2313]

I appreciated Felipe a lot until he said that he was racing only for himself and suddenly became capable of racing Fernando and Fernando alone, once ALO got past him he just diluted... and this will cost Ferrari dear in the WCC.

:thumb:thumb:thumb ,,,,Couldn't agree more....

[Ealdfrith]

... blah blah blah ...

Apart from crashing twice this season, disobeying team orders and being unable to do even half as good as the other Ferrari driver has done this year... kindly explain why I should feel other than derision for Felipe.

If the Scuderia is above all, we have to demand the most from the drivers. If this season we had had two Massas in the cars, we'd be fighting with Force India or Sauber for the WCC.

Felipe is a nice guy, no doubt, but he reached his "best before" date long ago.

[Greig]

Apart from crashing twice this season, disobey team orders and be unable to do even half as good as the other Ferrari driver has done this year... kindly explain why I should feel other than derision for Felipe.

If the Scuderia is above all, we have to demand the most from the drivers. If this season we had had two Massas in the cars, we'd fighting with Force India or Sauber.

Felipe is a nice guy, no doubt, but he reached his "best before" date long ago.

So you joined up, to slag Massa when he is leaving in one more race? Awesome.

[Ealdfrith]

So you joined up, to slag Massa when he is leaving in one more race? Awesome.

Felipe's last race with Ferrari should have come a long time ago.

It never ceases to amaze me how anyone can defend Massa in the last couple of years, Ferrari's brass included.

[Greig]

Felipe's last race with Ferrari should have come a long time ago.

It never ceases to amaze me how anyone can defend Massa in the last couple of years, Ferrari's brass included.

I wish we attracted more members like you here.

[varun]

This season can't end fast enough for me, I'm so sick of finger boy! I just hope our guys build a fast & reliable car for next year, if so it is going to be a blast to watch Kimi and Fernando duke it out.

We all here wish the same ...
but the only problem is we are basically just wishing for a fast car for the past ...what? abt 4 or 6 years?
When will we actually get a blindingly fast car...:roll:Hmm

[Ken]

Dear Ealdfrith,

I am a amazed that you are an F1 fan at all, your simplistic attitude totally ignores the complexity of this sport.

Before making such bold statements have you assessed the results properly ?

Were the 2 crashes you mention totaly down to Felipe's driving ?

How many times this year has Felipe's races been ruined by having to run the "Alternative" strategy or just bad strategy calls.

How good would your motivation be if you were told that no matter well your race was going you would have to give your place up to a No1 driver.

You have a short memory with regard to the good races he has had this year despite the above.

THis years car has been a dog with little successful developement achieved through out the year and appears to be very difficult to set up during practice.

Yes Fernando is an exceptional driver and very glad he is in our team, next year we pin our hopes on Kimi lets see what he offers in comparison with Felipe in terms of loyalty and performance. ( I hear the Ice cream machine has been banned for next year ;-) )

Take care my friend we are Ferrari fans and I for one will defend to the death any of our team who have given good service to the Marque.

[pluto]

Was a terrible race even by modern F1 standards, when 1 stop is the optimum strategy then it's always going to be a snore.

the problem is not 1 stop strategy. Its the dominance of 1 team. If there was close racing for the lead, then zero stop races would be exciting.

[Meiga]

I appreciated Felipe a lot until he said that he was racing only for himself and suddenly became capable of racing Fernando and Fernando alone, once ALO got past him he just diluted... and this will cost Ferrari dear in the WCC.

You are not the first person that I have seen making the point that Massa tries harder versus Alonso than versus other drivers; in some occasions even I have wondered the same.

But even if that were the case, let's remember one thing: Alonso is, in the eyes of his fellow drivers, the one that sets the standard in the current grid. From what I can remember, every single driver who has been asked about it has said that a head-to-head with Alonso represents an extra challenge and an extra motivation. Also because, being known as a fair driver on track, they feel safer trying hard than if they were facing, say, Maldonado. Why would Massa be different in that?

Furthermore, I know from a former fellow forumer in some other board, who was a Brazilian journalist, that the pressure Massa has been under since Alonso joined the team has been quite extreme, in some cases way beyond the line (for example after Germany 2010). Massa and Alonso had their arguments before they became teammates (Germany 2007), but I am sure that first it wasn't as serious as journalistst tried to present it and second they did their best to recover their relationship afterwards; but from what this Brazilian guy explained to me, at home (I mean Brazil, not Massa's family) they made it as difficult as possible for Massa, in the sense that they kept on repeating that he should avoid becoming Alonso's journeyman and would jump at any perceived hint that such was the case.

And finally, let's be honest: every time that Alonso and Massa come close on track, the eyes of the F1 world (and not just Brazil) is on them and not precisely looking on them with kindness...

I for one don't blame Massa for trying hard against Alonso; I don't think that such attitude has caused Ferrari any major problems on the WCC (sadly the team is now behind Merc and Lotus, and that shows); and I don't think that Massa gives up and dilutes once Alonso gets past him, only that the cameras suddenly lose interest in him.

As many have said here, Massa has proved his loyalty to Ferrari well beyond doubt. If Alonso or the team were fighting for WDC or WCC you can bet he would be playing ball; but that is not the case, so let him be.

[fratelliferrari]

Apart from crashing twice this season, disobeying team orders and being unable to do even half as good as the other Ferrari driver has done this year... kindly explain why I should feel other than derision for Felipe.

If the Scuderia is above all, we have to demand the most from the drivers. If this season we had had two Massas in the cars, we'd be fighting with Force India or Sauber for the WCC.

Felipe is a nice guy, no doubt, but he reached his "best before" date long ago.

You are a complete joke :furious Just signing up to bash on Felipe after all he has done for the Scuderia? Well done :-!

[F2002]

I think the corners that lead on to the straights are too slow. In Abu Dhabi it's the same.

Exactly.