Italian press manipulation against Alonso [Archive] - TheScuderia.net

wisepie

22nd November 2013, 18:04

Didn't Alonso say in English that he's happy to be second in the WDC since Ferrari did not have the second fastest car? To me, this kind of implies that he got to second over and above what the car could deliver (I understand the title of the article sensationalizes this, but is it really that far off from what Alonso was trying to say)....

*For the record, I agree that Alonso came in second despite the performance of the car, I just don't see why the title is a problem when that's what Alonso seemed to have meant with his statement...
I reckon that's exactly what he said and what he meant, just the Italian media have made a headline out of SOME of it! How unusual....not.

AfterLife

22nd November 2013, 18:33

gazzetta.it has an article about this one and nothing unusual about it.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Sport-Motori/Formula1/21-11-2013/ferrari-alonso-f1-brasile-201619926433.shtml

It is some usual statement from a driver point of view. Not to mention a driver that in most of people opinion is the best :lou

AfterLife

22nd November 2013, 18:47

I hope Mr. Di Montezemolo is not going to state some nonsense about this one. The more he talks about Ferrari prestige and importance of Ferrari the more he looks cheap and illogical.

Rob

22nd November 2013, 19:29

This says it all really...

BEAUTIFUL MOMENTS - Spanish Ferrari arithmetically second in the World Championship, and is the third time in four years with the Horse, tried to once again see the glass half full: "We started with the ambition of the title - he said - I meeting place second in the standings and I'm proud, because I got the result without being able to have the second fastest car. " A season with sometimes beautiful moments: "I've lived a beautiful day in Barcelona, winning in front of my fans, yes."

http://www.gazzetta.it/Sport-Motori/Formula1/21-11-2013/ferrari-alonso-f1-brasile-201619926433.shtml

Tifoso

22nd November 2013, 20:24

Didn't Alonso say in English that he's happy to be second in the WDC since Ferrari did not have the second fastest car? To me, this kind of implies that he got to second over and above what the car could deliver (I understand the title of the article sensationalizes this, but is it really that far off from what Alonso was trying to say)....

*For the record, I agree that Alonso came in second despite the performance of the car, I just don't see why the title is a problem when that's what Alonso seemed to have meant with his statement...

Quote.

We are lucky to have the greatest driver on the grid. Now the team needs to give him a car that is, at the very least, close to the top.

Petronius

22nd November 2013, 21:47

I hope Mr. Di Montezemolo is not going to state some nonsense about this one. The more he talks about Ferrari prestige and importance of Ferrari the more he looks cheap and illogical.

Luca is the last guard in Ferrari operation between fans, team and owners...and off course all the interest groups around. Prime task is the Brand. No individual, nor ego is bigger than the objective. This is what Luca said.

Car might have been difficult and hard to manage, but still that is not the prime point here. You win and you loose together, is the message.

Four years off hard work, astonishing actions and memorable moments, but final price has been lacking. Something had to be done from team perspective...decision had a difficult task...how communicate what will come... to Alonso. In Hungary it was released and Alonso didn't take it to well. That is natural. Lead driver in the most desireable team off all time, who would want to give up that?

After that relation was changed...and we are still on that journey.

This is what I see and saw, as a Kimi supporter.I understand if You have a different view. However, we have common goal. We want Ferrari to win. I think, this is what Luca was achieving. He is entitled to that, because it is the brand.

Alonsomaniac

22nd November 2013, 23:43

Luca is the last guard in Ferrari operation between fans, team and owners...and off course all the interest groups around. Prime task is the Brand. No individual, nor ego is bigger than the objective. This is what Luca said.

Car might have been difficult and hard to manage, but still that is not the prime point here. You win and you loose together, is the message.

Four years off hard work, astonishing actions and memorable moments, but final price has been lacking. Something had to be done from team perspective...decision had a difficult task...how communicate what will come... to Alonso. In Hungary it was released and Alonso didn't take it to well. That is natural. Lead driver in the most desireable team off all time, who would want to give up that?

After that relation was changed...and we are still on that journey.

This is what I see and saw, as a Kimi supporter.I understand if You have a different view. However, we have common goal. We want Ferrari to win. I think, this is what Luca was achieving. He is entitled to that, because it is the brand.

You say Fernando did not take it too well. May I remind you (maybe you missed that) that Alonso was one of the people that was in favor of Kimi coming to Ferrari if Felipe had to go long before a decision was made?
So yes, we have a different view. The relation between Fernando and the team is okay, don't worry.
Alonso is only the number one driver at Ferrari because he is the best driver on the grid.
I know Kimi is a fantastic driver in a great car, like Vettel is. If the car suits Kimi, he is as fast as anybody. Fernando however has the talent to get the absolute maximum out of any car, good or bad.
So I expect Kimi to to be the fastest at some days , but I expect Fernando to beat Kimi overall.
The most important is that they win in a Ferrari though.

ManFromMilan

23rd November 2013, 01:45

You say Fernando did not take it too well. May I remind you (maybe you missed that) that Alonso was one of the people that was in favor of Kimi coming to Ferrari if Felipe had to go long before a decision was made?
So yes, we have a different view. The relation between Fernando and the team is okay, don't worry.
Alonso is only the number one driver at Ferrari because he is the best driver on the grid.
I know Kimi is a fantastic driver in a great car, like Vettel is. If the car suits Kimi, he is as fast as anybody. Fernando however has the talent to get the absolute maximum out of any car, good or bad.
So I expect Kimi to to be the fastest at some days , but I expect Fernando to beat Kimi overall.
The most important is that they win in a Ferrari though.

+1
:thumb

sreenivaschinne

23rd November 2013, 09:34

This tweet says it all:

Fernando Alonso ‏@alo_oficial "Da quando il team ha deciso che le interviste erano solo in inglese, sembra che i media non inglesi hanno problemi di traduzione! Hehehe!"

Ever since the team decided that our interviews should be given only in English, the non-English-speaking media has been having translation difficulties!

(Hopefully this translation is OK :lol)

O MY GOD!!!!!!!! I think that media person completely forgot what fernando said in 2012 after losing the WDC title on podium, he said that he is proud of his team!!!!!!!!
that answer to prost question was the best answer completely in supportive of ferrari.......... wonder what that paper wanted to say???????????

DIEK

23rd November 2013, 10:50

In Italy are fans of Ferrari, not of Alonso...attack him it's a way of excusing the poor performance of the team and I think they are wrong, Alonso has saved them all these years.

Petronius

23rd November 2013, 11:09

blaa,blaa.... Alonso is only the number one driver at Ferrari because he is the best driver on the grid.
blaa,blaaa...The most important is that they win in a Ferrari though.

I understand Your response, but I don´t agree. Check out statement done by Luca previously.

http://grandprix247.com/2013/11/21/montezemolo-frowns-at-idea-of-number-1-and-number-2-drivers/

Best driver on grid presently is Vettel. Next Year it remains to be seen, who has upper hand at Ferrari, and secondly, is that enough to be best on grid. My prediction is, latest Ferrari wdc Kimi will take it after gaining lead driver position in the Ferrari team.

Last sentence in Your post is right on spot.

Rishu

23rd November 2013, 12:04

My prediction is, latest Ferrari driver paid to leave will have a tough time in case 2014 car is not easy to drive.

Hornet

23rd November 2013, 12:09

Alonso and Vettel are one of those greats the sport discover every few generations. Schumi was one such greats, and Alonso was the next. I do believe Vettel will be the next after Alonso. Right now, Alonso is regarded by many (who have no investment in Ferrari mind you, people who are our competitors) as the most complete driver right now because of his skills and experience, he knows when to push and when to hold back. It shows on track how Alonso is different from the rest, you can ignore it as much as you want but it doesn't change things.

But still, if it makes one feel better to drag Alonso down to the level of their favorite driver, by all means. :-)

Hermann

23rd November 2013, 12:15

I understand Your response, but I don´t agree. Check out statement done by Luca previously.

http://grandprix247.com/2013/11/21/montezemolo-frowns-at-idea-of-number-1-and-number-2-drivers/

Best driver on grid presently is Vettel. Next Year it remains to be seen, who has upper hand at Ferrari, and secondly, is that enough to be best on grid. My prediction is, latest Ferrari wdc Kimi will take it after gaining lead driver position in the Ferrari team.

Last sentence in Your post is right on spot.

Your predictions seem a bit....biased :rotfl

tifosi1993

23rd November 2013, 12:37

My prediction is, latest Ferrari wdc Kimi will take it after gaining lead driver position in the Ferrari team.

Don't think a one hit wonder will be that much trouble for a double world champion.

FFFerrari

23rd November 2013, 12:40

Petronius

23rd November 2013, 17:53

Don't think a one hit wonder will be that much trouble for a double world champion.

Relax. Kimi is Ferrari wdc and Fernando is not, so what on earth are You talking about?

Hornet

23rd November 2013, 17:59

Relax. Kimi is Ferrari wdc and Fernando is not, so what on earth are You talking about?

That good old last Ferrari WDC. If you think what happened 7 years ago matters more than what we saw on track today, I don't think there's any other way to explain it to you.

Besides, if that's how you want to play it, Massa was the WDC for awhile in 2008, and he took that spot on merit of his own by placing the car ahead of everyone else, not luck. So maybe Ferrari should keep Massa instead if that's the argument we're going to use.

tifosi1993

23rd November 2013, 18:12

Kimi is Ferrari wdc and Fernando is not

Still a one hit wonder.

wisepie

23rd November 2013, 18:26

This forum will become a warzone during next season, mark my words. And no matter what happens in the actual races. I don't personally care who is the driver as long as Ferrari is winning, but I do have my personal preferences.

Regarding the topic, this is nothing new of Italian Press.

I can see that happening too, it's already getting a bit nasty. Above all we want to win, whoever the driver, and we should remember that's the goal, not be bickering about drivers. And anyway, I'll be supporting one Williams too, and the Italian press have always been ready to criticise team and drivers alike, in my experience they have always supported Alonso over Massa , as have most Italians I've spoken to, but only because he was seen as the team's main chance. I think we'll find that Felipe has gained more true affection, though, and that's why I'm not looking forward to TSN becoming a battleground in the future.

Petronius

23rd November 2013, 19:12

That good old last Ferrari WDC. If you think what happened 7 years ago matters more than what we saw on track today, I don't think there's any other way to explain it to you.

Besides, if that's how you want to play it, Massa was the WDC for awhile in 2008, and he took that spot on merit of his own by placing the car ahead of everyone else, not luck. So maybe Ferrari should keep Massa instead if that's the argument we're going to use.

Try to keep to facts, please. Go to Maranello and visit Ferrari Museum and take a look on Wall off fame. If You find picture off Massa or Alonso there, please inform me:).

Who Ferrari signes is not in my hands, that is up to much more wiser persons in the organization. I think they take all possible variables in consideration. Now they want Ferrari to get back on winning track. Thats why Kimi returns.

tifosi1993

23rd November 2013, 19:17

Petronius

23rd November 2013, 19:19

Still a one hit wonder.

One hit wonder is quite much more than zero hit wonder:).

Petronius

23rd November 2013, 19:23

Yup, he will be a perfect no. 2

Don't be to cruel with Fernando, he have had a lot of problems lately. After all, he is second best.

tifosi1993

23rd November 2013, 19:23

One hit wonder is quite much more than zero hit wonder:).

Zero hit wonder? who? a double world champion? :rotfl

Alonsomaniac

23rd November 2013, 19:24

Try to keep to facts, please. Go to Maranello and visit Ferrari Museum and take a look on Wall off fame. If You find picture off Massa or Alonso there, please inform me:).

Who Ferrari signes is not in my hands, that is up to much more wiser persons in the organization. I think they take all possible variables in consideration. Now they want Ferrari to get back on winning track. Thats why Kimi returns.

According to Ferrari herself Kimi returns because they think he will be more consistent than Massa in bringing points for the WCC. That is the single reason, the WCC.
Ferrari has been very open about that.

Like a lot of Kimifans, you keep referring to the the lucky championship of 7 years ago. That was then. In 2008 Felipe showed a lot more although he lost the title only seconds after winning it.
We Ferrarifans all hope Kimi will do well, some of us are a little afraid of his motivationproblems that seem to occur every now and then, but we really are not against him.
Objectively seen though, we all know that although Kimi is a great driver at given times , he is no Fernando Alonso.

tifosi1993

23rd November 2013, 19:30

Don't be to cruel with Fernando, he have had a lot of problems lately. After all, he is second best.

Cruel with Fernando? Why? at least no body is telling him to "Get out of the way" :lol

Alonsomaniac

23rd November 2013, 19:34

Yup, he will be a perfect no. 2

I think so too. He doesn't seem to have a problem with that either, some years ago he was a perfect nr 2 to Felipe already.:-D

tifosi1993

23rd November 2013, 19:35

According to Ferrari herself Kimi returns because they think he will be more consistent than Massa in bringing points for the WCC. That is the single reason, the WCC.
Ferrari has been very open about that.

Like a lot of Kimifans, you keep referring to the the lucky championship of 7 years ago. That was then. In 2008 Felipe showed a lot more although he lost the title only seconds after winning it.
We Ferrarifans all hope Kimi will do well, some of us are a little afraid of his motivationproblems that seem to occur every now and then, but we really are not against him.
Objectively seen though, we all know that although Kimi is a great driver at given times , he is no Fernando Alonso.

Don't waste your time with them bro. You already know what will happen the next years don't you?

Some lonely voice stating "he was never the same after his back injury" one way or another. Again. ;-)

Alonsomaniac

23rd November 2013, 19:45

Don't waste your time with them bro. You already know what will happen the next years don't you?

Some lonely voice stating "he was never the same after his back injury" one way or another. Again. ;-)

Oops...that's not what we need....but I was already thinking, as Kimi was nr2 to Felipe and Felipe was nr2 to Fernando.....then Kimi can never be nr2 next year :-??.....only nr3...?
But, if Fernando is first driver and Kimi third....what will happen then in 2015 if Fernando wins the championship in 2014?:Hmm

Will Ferrari then in 2015 start with carnumbers 1 and 3 ?:-E

That would be a rather unique situation.....and who will get the nr2 car then?

Questions, questions.....my poor head...:-(

Greig

23rd November 2013, 19:53

Not sure why this thread has turned into a Alonso v Kimi one, but it would be nice if it did not continue.

Alonsomaniac

23rd November 2013, 20:03

Not sure why this thread has turned into a Alonso v Kimi one, but it would be nice if it did not continue.

I wasn't sure too, and as it's rather unnecessary I started to joke about it....you did'nt think I was serious in my last post I hope...:lol

Petronius

23rd November 2013, 20:14

According to Ferrari herself Kimi returns because they think he will be more consistent than Massa in bringing points for the WCC. That is the single reason, the WCC.
Ferrari has been very open about that.

Like a lot of Kimifans, you keep referring to the the lucky championship of 7 years ago. That was then. In 2008 Felipe showed a lot more although he lost the title only seconds after winning it.
We Ferrarifans all hope Kimi will do well, some of us are a little afraid of his motivationproblems that seem to occur every now and then, but we really are not against him.
Objectively seen though, we all know that although Kimi is a great driver at given times , he is no Fernando Alonso.

Like a lot of Alonsofans, you keep referring to lucky championships 8 years ago. That was then. We Ferrarifans do hope Alonso do well, some of us are afraid of his motivationproblems that seem to occur now and then, especially lately, but we are not against him. Objecitively seen though, we all know that allthough Alonso is not a Ferrari wdc he is good at given times, but he is not Kimi Raikkonen. Happy?

Suzie

23rd November 2013, 21:52

Perhaps everyone could just drop the Kimi/Fernando debate. Yes? Good.

diesel08

24th November 2013, 08:39

Relax. Kimi is Ferrari wdc and Fernando is not, so what on earth are You talking about?

Kimi has in 2007 a supercar. Alonso have not. Alonso is a warrior in any condition. Kimi is not. Ontopic, Fernando reply to Luca...yes, he did 8 in rating but in the not 2 best car he finish in P2. Where is Raikkonen? In a Lotus car?

diesel08

24th November 2013, 08:41

Yup, he will be a perfect no. 2

:clap

diesel08

24th November 2013, 08:43

I believe Hulk is now better than Raikonen, the finn move is not the best choice for the Scuderia.

Hornet

24th November 2013, 09:06

I believe Hulk is now better than Raikonen, the finn move is not the best choice for the Scuderia.
There probably need to be a change in the team philosophy before we invest in drivers like Hulkenberg or Perez. I think we're one of the very few team left who refuse to invest in upcoming young drivers. Our competitors like McLaren and Red Bull have adopted this approach.

Personally I would love to see a change in the future where Ferrari start investing in young drivers. It can be rewarding if we pick the right talent, the way Benetton did with Schumi, or Red Bull did with Vettel.

diesel08

24th November 2013, 09:26

There probably need to be a change in the team philosophy before we invest in drivers like Hulkenberg or Perez. I think we're one of the very few team left who refuse to invest in upcoming young drivers. Our competitors like McLaren and Red Bull have adopted this approach.

Personally I would love to see a change in the future where Ferrari start investing in young drivers. It can be rewarding if we pick the right talent, the way Benetton did with Schumi, or Red Bull did with Vettel.

I am a suporter of Fernando but I will be also e big fan of Nico Hulkenberg if he become a ferrari driver. Yes, Ferrari want WDD in 2014, probably they change present driver line with Vettel and Nico in 2016. Rumours says that Nico sign a precontract with Ferrari for 2015.

fratelliferrari

24th November 2013, 09:28

I am a suporter of Fernando but I will be also e big fan of Nico Hulkenberg if he become a ferrari driver. Yes, Ferrari want WDD in 2014, probably they change present driver line with Vettel and Nico in 2016. Rumours says that Nico sign a precontract with Ferrari for 2015.

diesel08, about that rumour of Nico. Who is Nico going to replace in 2015 at Ferrari? Both Fernando and Kimi have a contract for 2015, so who do you think he will replace?

diesel08

24th November 2013, 09:53

diesel08, about that rumour of Nico. Who is Nico going to replace in 2015 at Ferrari? Both Fernando and Kimi have a contract for 2015, so who do you think he will replace?

Alonso, if he move to Mclaren in 2015.

Senna4Ever

24th November 2013, 09:54

probably they change present driver line with Vettel and Nico ...
every day I light on 2 candles for praying: one not coming and the other welcome ....

dear almighty, don't proof my love to Ferrari once again ... 4 RB dominated years was already enough ... and therefore I would also cancel my wish for the Lego Knights Castle this christmas too if you want me to bring you a gift ...

wisepie

24th November 2013, 10:06

The thought of an all-German driver line-up for Ferrari is not what I would want to see, however good they may be. Please let's concentrate on what we've now got in a positive way and I agree that Ferrari must start to bring in younger promising talent from the Driver Academy and get them up to speed before Fernando and Kimi hang up their Ferrari helmets. Then we might get a promising Latin in the red cars.:Hmm

FFFerrari

24th November 2013, 10:24

Honestly, I think we might see Vettel-Bianchi pairing for 2017. All german lineup, not very likely but never say never.

Pekka

24th November 2013, 11:04

Come on folks. Ferrari has an intriquing and also a very formidable team next year with Fernando and Kimi. It's only the fans here that are creating the friction between them. And I think I know the reason for it.. It will be nip & tuck between them next year and the driver fans are already biting their fingernails :-)

Kingdom Hearts

24th November 2013, 13:05

It's only the fans here that are creating the friction between them.

And that should not be allowed here, go to autosport to talk , that place is also a land of freedom to bash Alonso, and that's a plus for some people. Not directed to you Pekka, just a general comment.

diesel08

24th November 2013, 13:43

Nova

24th November 2013, 14:35

Myself Id hate to see Nando leave..I mean, do you want to fight against this guy?
No way. It stinks that there are rumors like this, but as the journo's get more ridiculous,
it still spreads/spins any story. And after the final race, they wont have anything to do.
They should all go back to Hollywood. Cept for the really good ones.

Meiga

24th November 2013, 18:20

Like a lot of Alonsofans, you keep referring to lucky championships 8 years ago. That was then. We Ferrarifans do hope Alonso do well, some of us are afraid of his motivationproblems that seem to occur now and then, especially lately, but we are not against him. Objecitively seen though, we all know that allthough Alonso is not a Ferrari wdc he is good at given times, but he is not Kimi Raikkonen. Happy?

Interesting self definition, somehow I am not sure it is accurate, though.

Hermann

24th November 2013, 18:23

Interesting self definition, somehow I am not sure it is accurate, though.

Typo.

:lol

EL_NANDO

25th November 2013, 03:37

Honestly, I think we might see Vettel-Bianchi pairing for 2017. All german lineup, not very likely but never say never.

Is Bianchi planning a nationality transplant?

FFFerrari

25th November 2013, 04:31

Is Bianchi planning a nationality transplant?

Haha. No.

I was commenting on a more possible pairing and commenting about the possibility of Vettel-Hulk pairing and why it is very unlikely. Nice way to take things out of context.

eddie

25th November 2013, 07:53

As usual, press took the context and reworded it to make it seem like Alonso is giving himself much more praise. It always sells more when they write about Ferrari. Who cares what goes in Caterham...

Petronius

25th November 2013, 14:27

Interesting self definition, somehow I am not sure it is accurate, though.

This was almost a copy&paste of nickname Anonsomaniacs bias previous post. I just changed name Kimi to Alonso in my response to Alonsomaniac and added the fact Kimi is still latest Ferrari wdc.

If I understand Your post correctly, you say I am a Ferrari supporter, if I share Your view on driver talent Alonso has. Is that Your point? Well let me tell You something. I think Ferrari is the team I respect and admire most off all out there. What comes to driver preference mine is different from Yours, but that has directly nothing to do with with my view off the team. Happy?

Meiga

25th November 2013, 15:54

This was almost a copy&paste of nickname Anonsomaniacs bias previous post. I just changed name Kimi to Alonso in my response to Alonsomaniac and added the fact Kimi is still latest Ferrari wdc.

If I understand Your post correctly, you say I am a Ferrari supporter, if I share Your view on driver talent Alonso has. Is that Your point? Well let me tell You something. I think Ferrari is the team I respect and admire most off all out there. What comes to driver preference mine is different from Yours, but that has directly nothing to do with with my view off the team. Happy?

Alonsomaniac is a Netherlands-based forum member which joined this forum by mid 2009; when he says "we Ferrarifans" I tend to give that self-definition more credit than when I see somebody with your specific forum profile making the same claim. Hence my doubts about its accuracy in your case. That, and the fact that you seem to be very keen on attacking one of the team drivers.

As for you being a Ferrari supporter if you share my view on driver talents, you should know, like everybody else in this forum does, that I have always acknowledged that despite deeply respecting the red team I am not a tifosa, but a die-hard Renault supporter (the old Renault, not this Genii invention). I have always felt very welcomed here by all the tifosi, and of course over the last years we have shared the same interests; still, I would would consider it disrespectful towards true tifosi to pose as one of them.

Petronius

25th November 2013, 21:10

Alonsomaniac is a Netherlands-based forum member which joined this forum by mid 2009; when he says "we Ferrarifans" I tend to give that self-definition more credit than when I see somebody with your specific forum profile making the same claim. Hence my doubts about its accuracy in your case. That, and the fact that you seem to be very keen on attacking one of the team drivers.

As for you being a Ferrari supporter if you share my view on driver talents, you should know, like everybody else in this forum does, that I have always acknowledged that despite deeply respecting the red team I am not a tifosa, but a die-hard Renault supporter (the old Renault, not this Genii invention). I have always felt very welcomed here by all the tifosi, and of course over the last years we have shared the same interests; still, I would would consider it disrespectful towards true tifosi to pose as one of them.

Die hard Renault supporter...the old one. Yuo mean the one Alonso was driving under Briatore management...and Alonsomaniac joining this Forum mid 2009...timing fits perfectly Alonso announcement to Ferrari. So what You are telling me is that both of You are hard core Alonso fans. Tell You something. I think Alonso is excellent driver and done a very good job at Ferrari and Renault. Still it is not equal issue to be Alonso supporter and Ferrari supporter, because there is difference between a team and individual driver. Drivers come and go...same thing goes for supporters...only team remains.

I believe I have exactly the same right as You, Alonsomaniac or anybody else around here to call myself a Ferrarifan with a red cap on my head if I like. Big difference between You and me is driver preference. I happen to think Alonso is excellent, almost as good as my preference, that is Kimi. Don´t get up set, because it is my opinion...and You are naturally entitled to Yours.

One thing is bothering me on this forum. When I joined a while ago, I read the forum rules and did accept those. Here inside the forum there seems to be some posters, thinking they can dictate content and judge other posters opinions, especially new comers. I would like to point out, this is a official Ferrari F1 site...or did I miss something?

All the picking, down grading and insulting of Kimi here, have up set me and I must really say, I cannot believe it is opinion of true Ferrari fans, but disorientated and frustrated Alonso fans.

fratelliferrari

25th November 2013, 21:15

TSN is not an official Ferrari site if Iam right

Meiga

25th November 2013, 21:27

Die hard Renault supporter...the old one. Yuo mean the one Alonso was driving under Briatore management...and Alonsomaniac joining this Forum mid 2009...timing fits perfectly Alonso announcement to Ferrari. So what You are telling me is that both of You are hard core Alonso fans. Tell You something. I think Alonso is excellent driver and done a very good job at Ferrari and Renault. Still it is not equal issue to be Alonso supporter and Ferrari supporter, because there is difference between a team and individual driver. Drivers come and go...same thing goes for supporters...only team remains.

I believe I have exactly the same right as You, Alonsomaniac or anybody else around here to call myself a Ferrarifan with a red cap on my head if I like. Big difference between You and me is driver preference. I happen to think Alonso is excellent, almost as good as my preference, that is Kimi. Don´t get up set, because it is my opinion...and You are naturally entitled to Yours.

One thing is bothering me on this forum. When I joined a while ago, I read the forum rules and did accept those. Here inside the forum there seems to be some posters, thinking they can dictate content and judge other posters opinions, especially new comers. I would like to point out, this is a official Ferrari F1 site...or did I miss something?

All the picking, down grading and insulting of Kimi here, have up set me and I must really say, I cannot believe it is opinion of true Ferrari fans, but disorientated and frustrated Alonso fans.

Yes, I mean the Renault team for which Alonso was driving under Briatore; but also the one that started participating in F1 in the late 70s introducing the turbo engines with their "yellow teapot"; the one that let a certain Alain Prost grow as a driver in the early 80s; the one that turned into a pure engine producer towards the end of that decade, becoming one of the most successful ever in terms of WDCs and WCCs won through their partnership with Williams.

Now, all of the above may be news for you, but that is the team I support(ed). Apart from that, I am an Alonso fan, and proud to be so. But as I said above, I never dared to call myself a Ferrari fan in this forum, and even less so to speak on behalf of the tifosi as you did in your post. I could not care less about your opinions, in the sense that you are more than welcome to support whoever you want. But as stated in my initial post, your profile and comments make me think that your statement that you are a Ferrari fan is inaccurate. I think that it is far more likely you are a Raikkonen fan who has turned to Ferrari now that the driver you support has joined the team - which is of course absolutely fine, but let's not pretend that we are what we are not.

PS By the way, that Alonso would drive for Ferrari in 2010 was announced in September 2009. So no, Alonsomaniac's date of joining the forum does not "fit perfectly" with such announcement.

Petronius

25th November 2013, 23:04

Yes, I mean the Renault team for which Alonso was driving under Briatore; but also the one that started participating in F1 in the late 70s introducing the turbo engines with their "yellow teapot"; the one that let a certain Alain Prost grow as a driver in the early 80s; the one that turned into a pure engine producer towards the end of that decade, becoming one of the most successful ever in terms of WDCs and WCCs won through their partnership with Williams.

Now, all of the above may be news for you, but that is the team I support(ed). Apart from that, I am an Alonso fan, and proud to be so. But as I said above, I never dared to call myself a Ferrari fan in this forum, and even less so to speak on behalf of the tifosi as you did in your post. I could not care less about your opinions, in the sense that you are more than welcome to support whoever you want. But as stated in my initial post, your profile and comments make me think that your statement that you are a Ferrari fan is inaccurate. I think that it is far more likely you are a Raikkonen fan who has turned to Ferrari now that the driver you support has joined the team - which is of course absolutely fine, but let's not pretend that we are what we are not.

PS By the way, that Alonso would drive for Ferrari in 2010 was announced in September 2009. So no, Alonsomaniac's date of joining the forum does not "fit perfectly" with such announcement.

Well, it was widely known Alonso´s Ferrari pre-agreement was signed in Barcelona may 2009, announcement was released later on. But let us not wrestle in semantics.

Those early days back in the seventies and beginning of eighties I was actually supporting Nico Rosbergs father Keke, due to my origin. Keke won his wdc without turbo engine. However, I recognized early the talent of Prost and the power of Renault engine technology that culminated in the Williams glorious (first)winning era. It reminds me of Ferrari dominance in the beginning of this millenium and now the present Red Bull one. By analyzing the key components of success one can obviously find a pattern. One of those has been Renault engineering. Got Your point. Now it is Ferrari's turn to close the circle. Ingredients for success are gathered.

Over the decades I have been following Ferrari with great admiration. Without Ferrari...there is no F1. So it is more or less up to You how You want to define what You think of me or my supporting relation to Ferrari. I dont care:). I know where I am standing.

Tifoso

25th November 2013, 23:29

I am a tad uncomfortable with people basing other people's right to be here, simply on the driver that they support or, even worse, the nation of their birth. It just isn't right, number one, and really goes against the spirit of TSN, number 2.

I am a tifoso of Ferrari because I am Italian by blood. It would be a tad hypocritical of me to call out a Finn because he supports a Finn (or a Spaniard because he supports a Spaniard, for that matter).

As long as a Kimi fan is not a troll, and shows respect to le rosse, I am completely fine with them, TBH. Nothing wrong with friendly rivalry between Ferrari driver fans. Not saying that I understand it, mind you. I don't care who is driving the Ferrari that wins the WDC in 2014. Honestly. I will cheer just as loud, whichever Ferrari driver wins.

Now, lets stop calling people's Ferrari fandom into question based solely on their nationality, shall we? :-)

Hi5

29th November 2013, 09:07

Hi... i'm still very new in this forum. I apologise if what i'm sharing here will be hurm to anyone here or its look like that i'm just posting something lame. i just dont want to be enemy to anyone...

I'm Vettel, Hamilton and Raikkonen fan but not Alonso fan. So to speak, i'm become Raikkonen first. And i also Mercedes fan. Ahhhh, maybe got Petronas as a one of the main sponsor there. Typical Malaysian i think. My F1 buddy is a Alonso Fanatic fan. We are sharing opinion and any info related to F1. Yeah.. sometimes, we do have an argurement but again we still smiling and no hard feeling. We also went to GP together with definitely contra colour and cheering for our fav driver. And came the announcement that Raikkonen is back at Maranello, we are so happy that finally we gonna be cheering in the same colour and can't wait for the new season to start.

So here, i hope Alonso and Raikkonen fan can be friend and cheering together in the name as the F1 FAN.

^^Just my 2 cent^^

ntukza

29th November 2013, 11:34

Didn't Alonso say in English that he's happy to be second in the WDC since Ferrari did not have the second fastest car? To me, this kind of implies that he got to second over and above what the car could deliver (I understand the title of the article sensationalizes this, but is it really that far off from what Alonso was trying to say)....

*For the record, I agree that Alonso came in second despite the performance of the car, I just don't see why the title is a problem when that's what Alonso seemed to have meant with his statement...

It is unethical to quote someone with words they did not speak. The title is in first person, implying that those are Alonso's words. They aren't.

ntukza

29th November 2013, 11:40

This forum will become a warzone during next season, mark my words.

I can't wait :). It's going to be fun.

ntukza

29th November 2013, 12:10

I'm saying this with as much objectivity as I can muster. I mean no harm whatsoever, just stating my opinion.

Alonso is soooooo going to beat Kimi next year!

wisepie

29th November 2013, 12:24

This thread seems to have lost its way with all the nationalism and driver preference being discussed. TSN may not be an official Ferrari site (I accept it as near enough to being the real deal), and it was surely created to support our team and drivers and allow us to share opinions. It doesn't mean a free-for-all to insult each other or our team and drivers, just because of nationality or preference. Some people support drivers rather than teams, and I understand this because I'll be supporting a Brazilian in a Williams, but I would never give up my allegiance to Ferrari over everything else.

ManFromMilan

29th November 2013, 13:58

This thread seems to have lost its way with all the nationalism and driver preference being discussed. TSN may not be an official Ferrari site (I accept it as near enough to being the real deal), and it was surely created to support our team and drivers and allow us to share opinions. It doesn't mean a free-for-all to insult each other or our team and drivers, just because of nationality or preference.

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If this was before the last race of 2014 and our two drivers was battling it out for the WDC, then i would understand the bickering like little school children.

But until Fernando and Kimi actually race against each other in the same team for a whole year lets stop swinging and put the handbags away.