Team Principals' Top 10 Drivers poll

[Kingdom Hearts]

AUTOSPORT'S TEAM PRINCIPALS' TOP 10 DRIVERS 2013

1 Sebastian Vettel 248
2 Fernando Alonso 213
3 Kimi Raikkonen 158
4 Lewis Hamilton 117
5 Nico Rosberg 95
6 Romain Grosjean 76
7 Nico Hulkenberg 68
8 Mark Webber 66
9 Jenson Button 24
10 Felipe Massa 14


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111829


Vettel is very happy about it, go figure, the fact that Fernando is only 35 points down despite Vettel winning the title and so many races, poles, records and stuff, it really tells you how is the best drivers for the TP.

[Module]

I'll copy/paste ArkZ's calculation (Autosport-forum) about how the picks have gone to come to those points for Alonso and Vettel:

Vettel got 8 TP 1st pick this leave 3 TP 1st picks

3*25 + 8*18 = 219

2*25 + 9*18 = 212

Alonso got 213 so he have to got all left 1st TP picks,

3*25 + 7*18 + 12 = 213

Vettel and Alonso swept all 1st picks

http://forums.autosport.com/topic/191291-team-principals-top10-drivers-of-2013/?p=6530392

1st pick 2nd pick 3rd pick 4th pick

Vettel (option 1) 8 1 2 0

Vettel (option 2) 8 2 0 1

Alonso (option 1) 3 7 0 1

Alonso (option 2) 3 6 2 0

[Jose Lorca]

Not really surprised by this. Let's face it, Vettel was the man this year.

What did he do wrong? I can only think of a few minor mistakes in qualifying, losing the podium in China and hitting Button in Hungary. What else? It's hard to fault him this year. Yes his car is dominant and easy to drive but he got the results the car deserved and couldn't have done much more.

Having said that, I think Alonso in the RB9 would have resulted in even greater dominance.

[FerrariF60]

Not really surprised by this. Let's face it, Vettel was the man this year.

What did he do wrong? I can only think of a few minor mistakes in qualifying, losing the podium in China and hitting Button in Hungary. What else? It's hard to fault him this year. Yes his car is dominant and easy to drive but he got the results the car deserved and couldn't have done much more.

Having said that, I think Alonso in the RB9 would have resulted in even greater dominance.

amen to that...

[Nero Horse]

Two drivers in the Top 3 will be driving in our team next season, excellent. :-)

[Rishu]

Vettel rightfully deserves #1, drove a dominant machine faultlessly.

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

Not really surprised by this. Let's face it, Vettel was the man this year.

What did he do wrong? I can only think of a few minor mistakes in qualifying, losing the podium in China and hitting Button in Hungary. What else? It's hard to fault him this year. Yes his car is dominant and easy to drive but he got the results the car deserved and couldn't have done much more.

Having said that, I think Alonso in the RB9 would have resulted in even greater dominance.

Vettel would also get less 2nd picks.

[wisepie]

I know it's not great but at least Felipe scraped in at No10, so at least someobody respected the efforts he'd made to handle the F138. And any of the others could have won the WDC in the RB9! Surely Vettel's run of luck can't last indefinitely, but he did do a pretty good job the whole season, so credit to him for that, begrudgingly.:xmasfrown:

[Julius]

And any of the others could have won the WDC in the RB9!

Well Webber obviously didn't.

No big surprises with the list in general. Hulkenberg doesn't seem be as hyped among the TPs as for instance here.

[Nero Horse]

Well Webber obviously didn't.

No big surprises with the list in general. Hulkenberg doesn't seem be as hyped among the TPs as for instance here.

I don't think that's Webber's fault. If RB would've given Webber the same amount of support as they did to finger boy then I'm sure he would've won the title as well. You can't really win titles if your car constantly keeps breaking down, as was the case with Webbo's car.

[ManFromMilan]

I don't think that's Webber's fault. If RB would've given Webber the same amount of support as they did to finger boy then I'm sure he would've won the title as well. You can't really win titles if your car constantly keeps breaking down, as was the case with Webbo's car.



Too true. It felt like he only had a RB8.9 this year and a team of halfwits for his pitstops.

[Julius]

If RB would've given Webber the same amount of support as they did to finger boy then I'm sure he would've won the title as well.

I thought "team building" was something we praised. And that developing the car to suit your style was a rare quality. But I quess when it comes to Vettel these skills are worthless. Poor guy, can't do anything right. :-)

[wisepie]

I thought "team building" was something we praised. And that developing the car to suit your style was a rare quality. But I quess when it comes to Vettel these skills are worthless. Poor guy, can't do anything right. :-)
It may look like we tifosi don't give Vettel the credit he deserves but most of us will admit that he has driven brilliantly, this season especially, but it's hardly surprising that he gets a rough ride on this forum when he and his car have been so dominant. It's painful, just as it was for others when Schumi was demolishing his competitors. Even I got a bit tired of that, but team building seems to be what makes for success, usually for one of the drivers in a team anyway!

[Winter]

I don't think that's Webber's fault. If RB would've given Webber the same amount of support as they did to finger boy then I'm sure he would've won the title as well. You can't really win titles if your car constantly keeps breaking down, as was the case with Webbo's car.

I have not counted it, but I think if you take the points lost due mechanical failure from both of them,I guess they would be pretty even. I mean the lost points would be even, not their WDC points :xmassmile:

[Alessandra]

Vettel had to be top this year - he's just won 4 championships on the trot. Doesn't happen a lot.

I'm pleased Fernando is 2nd. He's top of the drivers not in a Red Bull machine, and one who was! And by more points than Vettel is ahead of him; which means something I expect:xmassmile:

[Winter]

Not very suprising result, Vettel was obvious winner. Alonso was great, but at the end of the season not always at his level. Kimi was very strong until LongWB Lotus and Pirelli effect.
Lewis and Nico were both fine and pretty even. Only thing I would change is Hulk over Grosjean, despite Romains strong late season.

[Hornet]

Vettel had to be top this year - he's just won 4 championships on the trot. Doesn't happen a lot.

I'm pleased Fernando is 2nd. He's top of the drivers not in a Red Bull machine, and one who was! And by more points than Vettel is ahead of him; which means something I expect:xmassmile:

Yep, Alonso is far ahead among the non RB drivers

[shamim179]

I agree with the standings but I'd put Hulkenberg higher up the order. Bianchi should be in there too maybe 9th or 10th. He was voted rookie of the year. Massa shouldn't be there - he had a mediocre year overall. Vettel rightly deserves 1st place as he drove his car more or less flawlessly. Terrific effort in defending his championship. Alonso is where he should be was overall extremely strong.

[brembo man]

Bianchi should be ahead of Alonso. He kept every DNF behind him and secured that # 19, 20 spot all season long! Except maybe the one time he abandoned his car on the track. Alonso will never hold 19th ,20 and secure zero points in a season. That's something only the rookie of the year can get done. I find it strange how those slippery Todts couldn't manage to get him Massa's seat with those fine 2013 stats.

[goodwood]

In the last four years -when Vettel bagged the WDC- Fernando was voted #1 in the Team Principals' Top 10 Drivers poll in 2010 and 2012, and second in 2013 and third in 2011. I don't think that makes such a good reading for Vettel: he won the WDC four years on the trot, but was voted only second in two of them by the pepole on the know...

[goodwood]

In 2012:

AUTOSPORT team principals' top 10:

1. Fernando Alonso 269
2. Sebastian Vettel 198
3. Lewis Hamilton 177
4. Kimi Raikkonen 176
5. Jenson Button 104
6. Mark Webber 66
7. Nico Hulkenberg 50
8. Nico Rosberg 30
9. Sergio Perez 30
10. Felipe Massa 27

In 2011:

5572

In 2010:

1) alonso
2) vettel
3) hamilton
4) webber
5) kubica
6) button
7) rosberg
8) hulkenberg
9) barrichello
10) schumacher/kovalainen (tie)

5573

[Module]

In the last four years -when Vettel bagged the WDC- Fernando was voted #1 in the Team Principals' Top 10 Drivers poll in 2010 and 2012, and second in 2013 and third in 2011. I don't think that makes such a good reading for Vettel: he won the WDC four years on the trot, but was voted only second in two of them by the pepole on the know...

Well looking from 2009 Vettel has 3 x 1st and 2 x 2nd so he is well above Alonso who has 2 x 1st, 1 x 2nd, 1 x 3rd and 1 x 4th. Vettel has only driven 6 whole seasons and he's 5(first full season),1,2,1,2,1 so I think he can be fairly proud.

In the end I would say that the only thing you could read from that chart is that Hamilton is in a decline and has been consistantly with (from 2008) 1,3,3,4,3,5

[goodwood]

Well looking from 2009 Vettel has 3 x 1st and 2 x 2nd so he is well above Alonso who has 2 x 1st, 1 x 2nd, 1 x 3rd and 1 x 4th. Vettel has only driven 6 whole seasons and he's 5(first full season),1,2,1,2,1 so I think he can be fairly proud.

This is correct but to me that's not the point. The point is that the RBR has been dominant these last four years and indeed Vettel has been crowned the WDC in all of them. Yet his merits are not recognized by those who are in the know, who name Alonso as a better driver in two of these years.

[goodwood]

In the end I would say that the only thing you could read from that chart is that Hamilton is in a decline and has been consistantly with (from 2008) 1,3,3,4,3,5

Talking of which Massa's decline from 2008 to 2013 is: 2,8,8,12,12,10....

[Module]

Talking of which Massa's decline from 2008 to 2013 is: 2,8,8,12,12,10....

Didn't want to note that....hoping for his rebound in 2014

[Greig]

What a weird way to decide if someone is in decline. So Kimi has been in decline since 2007? Alonso in decline since 2006?

[goodwood]

What a weird way to decide if someone is in decline. So Kimi has been in decline since 2007? Alonso in decline since 2006?

Well, not quite. I wouldn't call Kimi's third and Alonso's second this year as a decline!

[Greig]

Well, not quite. I wouldn't call Kimi's third and Alonso's second this year as a decline!

It's a decline though no?

[goodwood]

It's a decline though no?

Well, we can have an endless argument about this, but I really don't see the point. Alonso has been 1-2-1-2 in the last four years when he did not have the best car in any of them. Decline?

As for Kimi, he has been out of the sport for two years so these don't count, or do they?

[Module]

It's a decline though no?

I think a conclusion you can draw from that is that FA and SV have their own competition, or class, in TP's eyes competing for 1st. The next group is LH and KR who neither have been able to genuinely compete for 1st since KR in 2007 and LH in 2008. And this is sad to say for me as a Kimibot :'(

[Greig]

Well, we can have an endless argument about this, but I really don't see the point. Alonso has been 1-2-1-2 in the last four years when he did not have the best car in any of them. Decline?

As for Kimi, he has been out of the sport for two years so these don't count, or do they?

Off course there is no point, you were the one trying to make out these results have a point........

[Module]

Well, we can have an endless argument about this, but I really don't see the point. Alonso has been 1-2-1-2 in the last four years when he did not have the best car in any of them. Decline?

As for Kimi, he has been out of the sport for two years so these don't count, or do they?

Kimi was 4th 2012 and 3rd this year so you could argue that he took his place in the top drivers bracket

[goodwood]

Kimi was 4th 2012 and 3rd this year so you could argue that he took his place in the top drivers bracket

My point precisely: being 4th and then 3rd cannot be construed as a 'decline' but as an 'incline' :xmaswink:

[Module]

Off course there is no point, you were the one trying to make out these results have a point........

The TPs' are the main powers on the grid, deciding who drives where, who they will bet on and whos input the teams are going to follow so I think there is a lot to read in their votes.

For example Rosberg was 8th last year and 5th this year almost tied to Hamilton after a very even season with him. In the beginning of the season in Malaysia Hamilton benefitted from team orders whereas in the latter part of the season they were equal. The result makes them almost equal, does this mean that Hamilton can't rely on being the preferred driver next year?

There is speculation on this board based on significantly less than this...

[Module]

My point precisely: being 4th and then 3rd cannot be construed as a 'decline' but as an 'incline' :xmaswink:

:xmassmile:

[Greig]

The TPs' are the main powers on the grid, deciding who drives where, who they will bet on and whos input the teams are going to follow so I think there is a lot to read in their votes.

Well you can do that :-) means nothing really though.