Ferrari: Raikkonen above expectations

[vcs316]

Although the Italian team and the Finn parted ways in difficult circumstances at the end of the 2009 Formula 1 season, they put their issues behind them earlier this year after agreeing a deal to reunite from next season.

Di Montezemolo has been impressed with Raikkonen's attitude and expects the Finn will deliver a big boost to Fernando Alonso too.

"Kimi has been better than what I expected," said di Montezemolo during a lunch with media at Ferrari's Fiorano test track.

"He has been welcomed by the fans all over the world, he is far more popular with the fans, and that is important inside the team."

What Raikkonen has to do to succeed at Ferrari

Di Montezemolo has no concerns that the partnership will create any political tensions - and thinks that ultimately Alonso stands to benefit from Raikkonen's support.

"What about [the comments that] putting them together - Alonso and Raikkonen - could be dangerous?" said di Montezemolo.

"In F1 I accept the attitude to equalise everything, sometimes too much, but everything provides potential dangers.

"I think Fernando knows that he drives not for himself but for Ferrari, and Raikkonen knows that he is in the second half of his career, and [there are] two very important years for him in front. Experience, responsibilities."

RAIKKONEN 'A VERY CORRECT GUY'

The president expects Raikkonen to make a bigger difference to Ferrari's title prospects than predecessor Felipe Massa was able to in recent years.

"I think that the main reason why I am positive is because Kimi in particular in the races is very strong, so will be in condition to get points off even some of Fernando's competitors to get points for the team.

"And he is a very correct guy. Since he has been with us we have not got even one moment of problems.

"They are responsible and I think the presence of Kimi will be extremely important and useful to not leave Fernando alone at the front of the grid to fight from the first lap to the end.

"[Stefano] Domenicali has spoken very clear to both of them, and they have the honour and the responsibility to drive for Ferrari.

"Every driver while I have been here knows that he has to drive not for himself but for the team.

"If some driver wants to drive for himself there are many possibilities, they can do their own team, they can go in a different team, but in Ferrari these are the rules - and that is very clear."

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-ferrari-raikkonen-expectations-174407347--f1.html?

[LivingHitokiri]

Just can't wait for 2014 season to begin already, im really hyped on how well Ferrari will do with both Kimi and Fernando.

[Suzie]

Pffft. In other words - behave yourselves, you two.

[sreenivaschinne]

what i wish is ferrari sweeping all the races, both fernando and kimi will battle thats for sure, hope they wont crash into each other like mark and seb. I think fernando is matured to race in a fare manner! i doubt the same with kimi after watching Indian Grand Prix this year.....

competition is stiff, fernando ahead and kimi behind him or wise versa! alas want to see who will dare to beat these two cars ahead (provided both cars are fast).

[wisepie]

I don't like the way that Felipe has been portrayed in these remarks, yes Kimi may be a brilliant racer but it's yet to be proven whether it will be ther answer to the team's prayers. Felipe could race as well as anyone given the right equipment.

[goodwood]

I don't like the way that Felipe has been portrayed in these remarks, yes Kimi may be a brilliant racer but it's yet to be proven whether it will be ther answer to the team's prayers. Felipe could race as well as anyone given the right equipment.

I can't see any bashing of Felipe in those remarks. The fact of the matter is that Ferrari feel that Felipe failed to stand up to the team's expectations and having been replaced by Kimi, it is only natural that now they expect Kimi to deliver. Which naturally we all expect him to do so.

[wisepie]

I'm not saying LdM was bashing Felipe, goodwood, but he insinuated that Felipe wasn't able to race at the front alongside Fernando and therefore help the team in the WCC. If that's not a reflection of his view of Felipe, I don't know what is, and it's not a nice thing for a president to say. Especially when the car was the main problem from mid-season onwardsand Felipe's quali was pretty competitive with Fernando.

[ManFromMilan]

I'm not saying LdM was bashing Felipe, goodwood, but he insinuated that Felipe wasn't able to race at the front alongside Fernando and therefore help the team in the WCC. If that's not a reflection of his view of Felipe, I don't know what is, and it's not a nice thing for a president to say. Especially when the car was the main problem from mid-season onwardsand Felipe's quali was pretty competitive with Fernando.



Unfortunately Wisepie the wheel is turning and Kimi is now in and Felipe now out. The support and niceties will now be withdrawn from Felipe and bestowed upon another.

[Umbria]

The facts speak for themselves. Massa did not live up to the standards put forth by the team, plan and simple as that! Forget the emotion and concentrate on the results. With Kimi becoming available it was a no brainer for bringing him on board and I applaud LDM for making the change, it needed to be done. At the end of the day, I don't care if Kimi or Fernando win the drivers title, I root for the Scuderia! Ferrari will be strong next year!

[aroutis]

The facts speak for themselves. Massa did not live up to the standards put forth by the team, plan and simple as that! Forget the emotion and concentrate on the results. With Kimi becoming available it was a no brainer for bringing him on board and I applaud LDM for making the change, it needed to be done. At the end of the day, I don't care if Kimi or Fernando win the drivers title, I root for the Scuderia! Ferrari will be strong next year!
+1
And maybe some people don't like what LCdM says but facts are facts, and Kimi is here to do what Massa could not do. Will he be successful? Time will tell.

[Hornet]

The facts speak for themselves. Massa did not live up to the standards put forth by the team, plan and simple as that! Forget the emotion and concentrate on the results. With Kimi becoming available it was a no brainer for bringing him on board and I applaud LDM for making the change, it needed to be done. At the end of the day, I don't care if Kimi or Fernando win the drivers title, I root for the Scuderia! Ferrari will be strong next year!
You want to talk about facts.

The fact remains that the problem is the car, not the drivers. As far as the drivers lineup was concern, there was no problem there. Give them an actual winning car first, then we can have this conversation about the driver.

Bringing Kimi aboard isn't going to make the car faster. It's not what needed to be done. What needed to be done is building a fast car.

[ManFromMilan]

Bringing Kimi aboard isn't going to make the car faster. It's not what needed to be done. What needed to be done is building a fast car.




Very true.

But now for next year hopefully all the gremlins is gone and a winning car and team mates are on the cards for Ferrari.

It would be so awesome if the Scuderia Ferrari team dominates the 2014 season and Kimi and Fernando do a Senna and Prost style season battle for the WDC. That is the only way F1 is still exciting when one team dominates.

That would repair so much of the damage F1 sustained the last couple of seasons to the show of Formula 1 in my opinion.

[wisepie]

All of the above points of view are understandable and yes there's an emotional tie to Felipe, but I obviously side with Hornet's view although I also want Ferrari to return to their winning ways, whoever the driver. I just hope that Kimi lives up to expectations but still feel that if the car is good, it would have given Massa the chance to shine again.

[ManFromMilan]

have given Massa the chance to shine again.



:thumb

[F430]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kimi-raikkonen-interview-behind-wheels-of-the-ferrari-ff-videos/

quite a long chat in an FF!

[Ferrari & Honda]

To try to guess and assume if there will be conflict and problems now is premature and just speculation. I can go on past results based on actions and personalities on how I think both drivers will work with each other and the team.

Kimi = Laid back almost to the point of emotionless, stays cool under pressure (The Iceman) and doesn't look for trouble or drama. He's non confrontational. He doesn't like people to get aggressive with him especially over the radio during races. You don't motivate Kimi, he motivates himself. He doesn't take from anyone. If you get aggressive with him verbally then he shuts down and walks away. Just let him do his thing and don't bug him.

Alonso = Spanish hot head. Temper and lots of emotion. He's one of the most if not the most sensitive driver in the paddock based on who gets to be the #1 driver in the team. If he feels he's not getting equal equipment or the team isn't giving him the best car he becomes destructive almost to the point of sabotaging the team. He will publicly take his views and emotions in front of the press publicly and eviscerate the team to reporters. That's something I don't like nor respect about Alonso. I believe if there is any problem in the team it needs to be kept behind closed doors off record where the team can talk about it in private because once the media finds out it turns into a HUGE distraction and now the team is hounded by reporters to answer about it. It just creates controversy. I notice he tends to talk a little too much and do some whining to the Spanish media who take his side most the time. It's like he uses the Spanish media for backup.

The only guys who knew how to handle Alonso were Flavio and Pat Symonds at Renault.

I'm not too worried about Kimi. I think the odds and chances of Alonso losing his cool is greater.

[Greig]

:roll a complete load of rubbish about Alonso.

[Hermann]

To try to guess and assume if there will be conflict and problems now is premature and just speculation. I can go on past results based on actions and personalities on how I think both drivers will work with each other and the team.

Kimi = Laid back almost to the point of emotionless, stays cool under pressure (The Iceman) and doesn't look for trouble or drama. He's non confrontational. He doesn't like people to get aggressive with him especially over the radio during races. You don't motivate Kimi, he motivates himself. He doesn't take from anyone. If you get aggressive with him verbally then he shuts down and walks away. Just let him do his thing and don't bug him.

Alonso = Spanish hot head. Temper and lots of emotion. He's one of the most if not the most sensitive driver in the paddock based on who gets to be the #1 driver in the team. If he feels he's not getting equal equipment or the team isn't giving him the best car he becomes destructive almost to the point of sabotaging the team. He will publicly take his views and emotions in front of the press publicly and eviscerate the team to reporters. That's something I don't like nor respect about Alonso. I believe if there is any problem in the team it needs to be kept behind closed doors off record where the team can talk about it in private because once the media finds out it turns into a HUGE distraction and now the team is hounded by reporters to answer about it. It just creates controversy. I notice he tends to talk a little too much and do some whining to the Spanish media who take his side most the time. It's like he uses the Spanish media for backup.

The only guys who knew how to handle Alonso were Flavio and Pat Symonds at Renault.

I'm not too worried about Kimi. I think the odds and chances of Alonso losing his cool is greater.

Where do you get all that stuff? Do you make it up yourself? :lol

[ManFromMilan]

:roll a complete load of rubbish about Alonso.



Completely agree with your statement.:thumb

But let's sit back and see how this year pans out before we jump to conclusions again.

[Ferrari & Honda]

:roll a complete load of rubbish about Alonso.

Actually, on this forum and other Ferrari forums the Tifosi were saying the exact same thing about Alonso back in 2005-06 when he beat Schumacher and then when he went to McLaren where that was a disaster. lol :lol

During the whole Spygate scandal in 2007 it was Alonso taking a beating by the Ferrari fans. :-)

I knew this would happen, I said this back in 2012 that once Alonso goes to Ferrari that the Tifosi fans will completely forget or ignore Alonso's past and act like he's the greatest thing in the world.

I am non partial and I'm not a hypocrite. I don't all of a sudden jump on a driver's lap and hump his leg once he joins my team after I bashed him when he was on another team.

Alonso's relationship behind the scenes with Luca Di is showing signs of similarities with Ron Dennis...

Ferrari's Luca di Montezemolo warns Fernando Alonso over F1 conduct...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109095


The Tifosi are very quick to point out any issues of drivers on other teams but they act like Ferrari drivers are above criticism and build shrines for them. It is very weird and bizarre. It's like once you become a Ferrari F1 driver you're the Pope. lol :lol

[Ferrari & Honda]

Alonso = Spanish hot head. Temper and lots of emotion. He's one of the most if not the most sensitive driver in the paddock based on who gets to be the #1 driver in the team. If he feels he's not getting equal equipment or the team isn't giving him the best car he becomes destructive almost to the point of sabotaging the team. He will publicly take his views and emotions in front of the press publicly and eviscerate the team to reporters. That's something I don't like nor respect about Alonso. I believe if there is any problem in the team it needs to be kept behind closed doors off record where the team can talk about it in private because once the media finds out it turns into a HUGE distraction and now the team is hounded by reporters to answer about it. It just creates controversy. I notice he tends to talk a little too much and do some whining to the Spanish media who take his side most the time. It's like he uses the Spanish media for backup.

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has warned Fernando Alonso about his conduct following comments made by the Spaniard during the Hungarian Grand Prix weekend.

While it is unclear which comments Montezemolo was referring to, the Italian squad suggested Alonso had been critical of the team after a difficult weekend in Hungary.

In a statement on its website, Ferrari wrote: "There is a need to close ranks, without giving in to rash outbursts that, while understandable in the immediate aftermath of a bad result, are no use to anyone."

"That was a reference to the latest comments from Fernando Alonso, which did not go down well with Montezemolo, nor with anyone in the team."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109095

[ManFromMilan]

My believe is most of your evidence is the media's angel on how Alonso is suppose to be.

Luca's recent comments about Alonso is my prove that he over-reacted and made a harsh knee-jerk reaction to Alonso's tongue in cheek comment about what he wants for his birthday. And yes he needs to be behind his team always, but i also believe he has always been.

[Greig]

Actually, on this forum and other Ferrari forums the Tifosi were saying the exact same thing about Alonso back in 2005-06 when he beat Schumacher and then when he went to McLaren where that was a disaster. lol :lol

During the whole Spygate scandal in 2007 it was Alonso taking a beating by the Ferrari fans. :-)

I knew this would happen, I said this back in 2012 that once Alonso goes to Ferrari that the Tifosi fans will completely forget or ignore Alonso's past and act like he's the greatest thing in the world.

I am non partial and I'm not a hypocrite. I don't all of a sudden jump on a driver's lap and hump his leg once he joins my team after I bashed him when he was on another team.

Alonso's relationship behind the scenes with Luca Di is showing signs of similarities with Ron Dennis...

Ferrari's Luca di Montezemolo warns Fernando Alonso over F1 conduct...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109095


The Tifosi are very quick to point out any issues of drivers on other teams but they act like Ferrari drivers are above criticism and build shrines for them. It is very weird and bizarre. It's like once you become a Ferrari F1 driver you're the Pope. lol :lol

Yeah and if we were he in 1995 we would be saying the same about Schumacher.....not sure how that makes your comments any less a lot of rubbish about Alonso. And how were you here to see what was said about Alonso before he joined us? hmmmmm...and if you were here back then you would be fully aware not every Ferrari fan was slagging or against Alonso so why are you making things up?

Who are your team then?

[Ferrari & Honda]

And then the Tifosi act like every time the media reports on something that it's all lies and conspiracies made up. lol It's always everyone else's fault except the drivers of Ferrari. lol

I just love how the Tifosi now act like Alonso is a saint and everyone is conspiring aganst him. lol :lol

[Greig]

And then the Tifosi act like every time the media reports on something that it's all lies and conspiracies made up. lol It's always everyone else's fault except the drivers of Ferrari. lol

I just love how the Tifosi now act like Alonso is a saint and everyone is conspiring aganst him. lol :lol

Why are you here?

[Sianellen]

And then the Tifosi act like every time the media reports on something that it's all lies and conspiracies made up. lol It's always everyone else's fault except the drivers of Ferrari. lol

I just love how the Tifosi now act like Alonso is a saint and everyone is conspiring aganst him. lol :lol

We're hypocritical, sue us. Things change, life moves on. :-)

[Kyss4k]

And then the Tifosi act like every time the media reports on something that it's all lies and conspiracies made up. lol It's always everyone else's fault except the drivers of Ferrari. lol

I just love how the Tifosi now act like Alonso is a saint and everyone is conspiring aganst him. lol :lol

You have fun trolling Ferrari forum. The only thing you will achieve by doing that will be a ban.

We are here for the team. We will protect and fight for our drivers against the outsiders. This is one thing fans of other teams will never understand.

[Ferrari & Honda]

We are here for the team. We will protect and fight for our drivers against the outsiders.

I wish European and American politicians had that same passion and vigor to enforce their/our immigration laws and wouldn't be in this mess today. lol :pray

[diesel08]

And then the Tifosi act like every time the media reports on something that it's all lies and conspiracies made up. lol It's always everyone else's fault except the drivers of Ferrari. lol

I just love how the Tifosi now act like Alonso is a saint and everyone is conspiring aganst him. lol :lol

Mister, you are offtopic :-!

[killer]

I wish European and American politicians had that same passion and vigor to enforce their/our immigration laws and wouldn't be in this mess today. lol :pray

Immigration. Nice.

:munch

:lou

[Ferrari & Honda]

I'm a Ferrari and Honda fan. I respect all teams and drivers. I'm not hardcore though. It's good to be objective.

Everything I did say about Kimi and Alonso above is true though. That's been an accurate description of them through out their careers.

[Greig]

Everything I did say about Kimi and Alonso above is true though. That's been an accurate description of them through out their careers.

No it's not true, it's your opinion which many would consider to be a lot of rubbish :-)

[Lucky Dodo]

:thumb

[Lucky Dodo]

We have for races The Calculating Fire & The Passionate Ice on our team which will get nice effects on track if car is good.
I sure hope that to be the case, since then 2014 will be great! :pray

[abbottcostello]

No it's not true, it's your opinion which many would consider to be a lot of rubbish :-)
+2 :thumb


(I read it on the Internet, they can't put anything on there that is not true, right? :rotfl)

Seems to me Scuderia Ferrari have the only 2 drivers that F1 commentators praised for their ability to finish races higher than their cars were expected. And both are experienced drivers who should provide invaluable top notch feedback on car setup, critical in a year when there are so many changes that the team needs to come to terms with.

[Lucky Dodo]

You got that right, they happen to be acclaimed the 2 best tire preservers also.

[Giallo 550]

I'm a Ferrari and Honda fan. I respect all teams and drivers. I'm not hardcore though. It's good to be objective.

Everything I did say about Kimi and Alonso above is true though. That's been an accurate description of them through out their careers.

I have been following Formula 1 very closely for the past four seasons and have seen no evidence of anything you have said about Fernando Alonso.

[Hornet]

I'm a Ferrari and Honda fan. I respect all teams and drivers. I'm not hardcore though. It's good to be objective.

Everything I did say about Kimi and Alonso above is true though. That's been an accurate description of them through out their careers.

Just because you claim something is true doesn't make it true. You have an obvious bias against Alonso for whatever reason. And what you've just posted are just rehash of the same rubbish created by the media to bait viewers, it wasn't true when they said it, and certainly not true when you repeat it.

[stefa]

I'm a Ferrari and Honda fan. I respect all teams and drivers. I'm not hardcore though. It's good to be objective.

Everything I did say about Kimi and Alonso above is true though. That's been an accurate description of them through out their careers.

Off the topic question. How can you support two teams?

[ManFromMilan]

And then the Tifosi act like every time the media reports on something that it's all lies and conspiracies made up. lol It's always everyone else's fault except the drivers of Ferrari. lol

I just love how the Tifosi now act like Alonso is a saint and everyone is conspiring aganst him. lol :lol




Personally i have never seen Alonso's halo, but then scarlet colored glasses might obstruct my view.


We're hypocritical, sue us. Things change, life moves on. :-)




True, if you are not with us, you are against us. Simple as that.:clap


I wish European and American politicians had that same passion and vigor to enforce their/our immigration laws and wouldn't be in this mess today. lol :pray



I thought this was a Formula 1 forum, and then even more importantly a Scuderia Ferrari forum?!?:Hmm

You might look to express your political views on another forum. We don't blame Obamacare for a slow Ferrari;-)


Off the topic question. How can you support two teams?


He might even still support Tyrrel as well:-D

[diesel08]

I have been following Formula 1 very closely for the past four seasons and have seen no evidence of anything you have said about Fernando Alonso.

:clap

[diesel08]

Just because you claim something is true doesn't make it true. You have an obvious bias against Alonso for whatever reason. And what you've just posted are just rehash of the same rubbish created by the media to bait viewers, it wasn't true when they said it, and certainly not true when you repeat it.

:thumb

[mirafiori]

I'm a Ferrari and Honda fan. I respect all teams and drivers. I'm not hardcore though. It's good to be objective.

Everything I did say about Kimi and Alonso above is true though. That's been an accurate description of them through out their careers.
What a load of rubbish I was not going to reply but what you say does not make any sense and deserves a response. Alonso is the one driver on the grid who is respected the most by all the other drivers and by all the other teams for being the ultimate professional and simply the very best at what he does driving a formula one car. Also he is a very compassionate person, just look at what he done recently with the young lad who has health issues in Telethon Italia. As far as i'am concerned you should just call your self Honda. As Stefa said how can you support two teams, just keep the name Honda the name Ferrari is just to good for you.

[Ferrari & Honda]

Ferrari's Luca di Montezemolo warns Fernando Alonso over F1 conduct...

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has warned Fernando Alonso about his conduct following comments made by the Spaniard during the Hungarian Grand Prix weekend.

While it is unclear which comments Montezemolo was referring to, the Italian squad suggested Alonso had been critical of the team after a difficult weekend in Hungary.

It also emerged during the weekend that Red Bull was considering Alonso as a contender for a 2014 seat.

In a statement on its website, Ferrari wrote: "There is a need to close ranks, without giving in to rash outbursts that, while understandable in the immediate aftermath of a bad result, are no use to anyone.

"That was a reference to the latest comments from Fernando Alonso, which did not go down well with Montezemolo, nor with anyone in the team."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109095

[Ferrari & Honda]

Ferrari chief Di Montezemolo takes swipe at out-spoken Alonso... then gives all his engineers a knife!

Fernando Alonso has been warned to watch his tongue by Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo following comments made by the Spaniard after the Hungarian Grand Prix.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2381021/Ferrari-chief-Luca-di-Montezemolo-takes-swipe-Fernando-Alonso.html


Here' some comments from a F1 fans in the comments section...


can you imagine the intensity of the abuse if Hamilton had said this? Alonso showed his true colors at Mclaren anyway. Couldn't beat rookie Hamilton and tried to twist the team's arm to get them to halt his charge. ended up behing Lewis in the championships. If Lewis had been with Ron Dennis instead of Whitmarsh after his first year, he way well have had a 2nd championship by now. Anyway I thought the general feeling was that Alonso can win in a car that's not the best on the grid. What happened?



All you two faced haters having a pop at Lewis not getting a WDC since 2008 are absolutely silent on how long its been for Alonso since his last title. And all you two faced reporters that ignored Alonso's comment until Luca weighed in would have had it as front page news if it was Hamilton that said that. - spangqa, England, United Kingdom, 30/7/2013 0:30................................ Absolutely spot on. You took the words out of my mouth. ss622, if you've followed the DM pages for any length if time, you'll know exactly what spangqa is saying. - Ex of UK , France, ------------ yet you carry on following dm despite it's apparent anti-Lewis stance.

[Greig]

Same Luca that sacked Kimi, same Luca that hit out at Kimi when he was not performing? yet you think it means something against Alonso?

LOL

[Ferrari & Honda]

Luca di Montezemolo admits the pairing of Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen "could be dangerous" for Ferrari...

http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/140753.html


Here's some comments by F1 fans in the comments section on that page below...


If McLaren in 2007 is any indication this pairing will turn out to be a ticking time-bomb... but if Alonso can prove me wrong then be my guest.


Raikkonen will be, he had no problem supporting Massa in 2008 despite being the reigning WDC but Alonso is another story... I want to see Raikkonen beating him if only to see if he'll go all prima donna and do something like block Raikkonen from qualifying :P But for the record McLaren did not favour Hamilton (Or Alonso for that matter), they were pretty much given equal treatment and I believe Alonso felt entitled to #1 status as he was the reigning WDC, only to be rudely surprised. It has pretty much always been like this at McLaren; why else was Prost/Senna able to have such a huge rivalry?


In 2006 alonso publicly castigated his own team of not giving him enough support, he accused renault employees of being more keen on taking the constructors championships rather than see him retain the drivers championships (which happens to be the ferrari philosophy, constructors championships first then drivers championship merely comes next). apparently he was furious when fisichella passed him in shanghai then again in indianapolis, he wants the renault paddock to give fisichella marching orders not to ever ever challenge him. in 2007 we all know what happened when he learned his pre-agreed no. 1 status got compromised because his rookie teammate was given the permission to race him. i know it's been years now and alonso may well have "matured", but I just can't throw those instances out of the window. besides he's now driving alongside a driver who certainly won't be slowing down for him, somebody you can't tamper his gearbox with. alonso's a proud and ambitious champion, it remains to be seen whether he'll be willing to sacrifice personal aspirations for the sake of the team. we'll see.


What makes you so sure he has changed? Massa was never a threat to Alonso's #1 status in Ferrari (And do remember Hockenheim 2010) so Alonso got pretty much everything he wants in Ferrari up to the point when Raikkonen rejoined Ferrari, sans a car capable of challenging Vettel. Although you will deny it, it seems that you are willing to give Alonso every possible concession while simultaneously criticizing Vettel at every possible opportunity.

[Ferrari & Honda]

Same Luca that sacked Kimi, same Luca that hit out at Kimi when he was not performing? yet you think it means something against Alonso?

LOL

No. it means this...

Luca di Montezemolo admits the pairing of Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen "could be dangerous" for Ferrari.

http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/140753.html

Luca already "sacked" Kimi once, same Luca that hit out at Kim when he wasn't "performing" as you said.

Thanks for proving my point.

[ManFromMilan]

The longer you continue, the more you convince me you are just trolling for attention.( you don't seem to want contribute to positive debate or idea sharing )

If all your comments are just ignorance then that could be excused, but i don't think that is your reason. I see no reason for you to try and flame bait forum members when you are quoting a obvious tabloid style publication and it's obviously delusional readers comments, unless you are trolling.

[Greig]

No. it means this...

Luca di Montezemolo admits the pairing of Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen "could be dangerous" for Ferrari.

http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/140753.html

Luca already "sacked" Kimi once, same Luca that hit out at Kim when he wasn't "performing" as you said.

Thanks for proving my point.

LOL only thing proved is you are a troll.

[Rishu]

He didn't care to post Luca's latest comments where he admitted that 'Alonso was right to be mad at Ferrari'
Clearly Honda is a troll

[Ferrari & Honda]

I'm gonna save this page so I can come back to it as my source if Alonso leaves Ferrari for another team and see what you members here say about him then.

Remember, there might be a day when Alonso leaves.

It would be hilarious if Ferrari signs Vettel and the Tifosi swoon over the young German like he's Pope Benedict.

[stefa]

I'm gonna save this page so I can come back to it as my source if Alonso leaves Ferrari for another team and see what you members here say about him then.

Remember, there might be a day when Alonso leaves.

It would be hilarious if Ferrari signs Vettel and the Tifosi swoon over the young German like he's Pope Benedict.

Just one more reply to your post, and I'll leave it.
As you said TIFOSI, and I am one, meaning I support team, FERRARI. And who ever drive for Ferrari it is more than welcome, when he is doping his job best he can and delivering result for TEAM and him self!
Answer to your question, I'll not going to put SV into stars if he someday drive for Ferrari, but for sure will be more than glad if he is winning with FERRARI!

[Greig]

I'm gonna save this page so I can come back to it as my source if Alonso leaves Ferrari for another team and see what you members here say about him then.

Remember, there might be a day when Alonso leaves.

It would be hilarious if Ferrari signs Vettel and the Tifosi swoon over the young German like he's Pope Benedict.

What an exciting life you have, when you are a Ferrari fan then you support the team no matter who the drivers are really not sure what part of that you don't understand?

There is plenty of Ferrari fans who would welcome Vettel I am again not sure why you think every Ferrari fan thinks along the same line of thought? Are you really that thick to read one Ferrari fan who does not like Vettel to assume that every Ferrari fan does not like him?

[Hornet]

Ferrari chief Di Montezemolo takes swipe at out-spoken Alonso... then gives all his engineers a knife!

Fernando Alonso has been warned to watch his tongue by Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo following comments made by the Spaniard after the Hungarian Grand Prix.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2381021/Ferrari-chief-Luca-di-Montezemolo-takes-swipe-Fernando-Alonso.html


Here' some comments from a F1 fans in the comments section...

:lol
Do you even realize what you're doing. You're quoting McLaren's fans to prove your point.

[Ferrari & Honda]

Personally i have never seen Alonso's halo, but then scarlet colored glasses might obstruct my view.

You probably haven't been following F1 for many years any ways so your knowledge of the sport is very limited. I been following F1 since 1996 and experienced the golden years with Michael.



True, if you are not with us, you are against us. Simple as that.:clap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23kmhc3P8U




I thought this was a Formula 1 forum, and then even more importantly a Scuderia Ferrari forum?!?:Hmm

It is, but that doesn't mean we have to march like Nazi's with hands raised and support every little thing Ferrari does. Try being an independent intellectual thinker for once and not a follower.


You might look to express your political views on another forum. We don't blame Obamacare for a slow Ferrari;-)

I think most Americans now would happily like to exchange Obama for Putin. lol



He might even still support Tyrrel as well:-D


No, Arrows and Minardi. :lol

[Ferrari & Honda]

:lol
Do you even realize what you're doing. You're quoting McLaren's fans to prove your point.

:lol

So anyone who dislikes Alonso is a McLaren fan? :rotfl

No, they're just regular average joe f1 fans like you who have opinions and views. They just don't have their noses up Alonso's chocolate strata.

[Greig]

:lol

So anyone who dislikes Alonso is a McLaren fan? :rotfl

No, they're just regular average joe f1 fans like you who have opinions and views. They just don't have their noses up Alonso's chocolate strata.

bye bye

[diesel08]

I'm gonna save this page so I can come back to it as my source if Alonso leaves Ferrari for another team and see what you members here say about him then.

Remember, there might be a day when Alonso leaves.

It would be hilarious if Ferrari signs Vettel and the Tifosi swoon over the young German like he's Pope Benedict.

, you are NOT a Ferrari fan. Maybe you hate Alonso but you don't have any logic in your presumtion. Only stupid rubbish.

[Hermann]

As soon as you name the Daily Mail for a scource- you're doing it wrong.

Might work in a McLaren forum though.


Anyway, since this has been solved (thank you mods), can someone explain to me what 'is above expectations' actually means? I haven't really figured that out yet?

[Kingdom Hearts]

bye bye

Keep up the good work.

[Katu]

Anyway, since this has been solved (thank you mods), can someone explain to me what 'is above expectations' actually means? I haven't really figured that out yet?

he talks more?

[Tifoso]

Well of course he has performed above expectations. We had no expectations, so that was easy.





















Don't get offended, RaikkoMEN: j/k ;-) :-D

[Hermann]

So 'above expectations' actually mean: we don't expect anything from him?

[AfterLife]

The jokes aside, Kimi performed well indeed in 2012 and 2013. No doubt :thumb

[AfterLife]

Well of course he has performed above expectations. We had no expectations, so that was easy. Don't get offended, RaikkoMEN: j/k ;-) :-D

Good One:lol

[Tobes]

The jokes aside, Kimi performed well indeed in 2012 and 2013. No doubt :thumb

...and '07 :-)

[Tobes]

Well of course he has performed above expectations. We had no expectations, so that was easy.

'We'..?

I like Kimi and I certainly have expectations of him next season, i'm expecting him (and Fernando) to score enough points (betweem them) to secure the WCC at the very least... :thumb

I'll be a tad disappointed if he's not scoring similar points to Fernando, but i'm fully expecting him to... :-)

[Petronius]

Well of course he has performed above expectations. We had no expectations, so that was easy.

Don't get offended, RaikkoMEN: j/k ;-) :-D

I feel not a bit offended, only excited. Ferrari team, car and fan base (tifosi) has been built around Fernando for last couple off years, so it is quite natural that expectations concerning Kimi's arrival amongst many tifosi is lame.

However, if Kimi have more points than Fernando in the end of season 2014, that could be close to a miracel for many tifosi supporting Fernando. You never know, it might happen...or at least that is what many Kimi supporters are hoping for. Main issue here is, that the team will be successful first. Secondary who will be on top of the two drivers. Winter pause is soon over and real deal is closer day by day. Extremely exciting times.

[Rob]

'We'..?

I like Kimi and I certainly have expectations of him next season, i'm expecting him (and Fernando) to score enough points (betweem them) to secure the WCC at the very least... :thumb

I'll be a tad disappointed if he's not scoring similar points to Fernando, but i'm fully expecting him to... :-)

+1 :thumb

:clap

[Tifoso]

'We'..?

I like Kimi and I certainly have expectations of him next season, i'm expecting him (and Fernando) to score enough points (betweem them) to secure the WCC at the very least... :thumb

I'll be a tad disappointed if he's not scoring similar points to Fernando, but i'm fully expecting him to... :-)

Absolutely, amico mio. Again, just for the record, I could not care less who wins the WDC (as long as he is a Ferrari driver) and we win the WCC. :-)

[Tobes]

Absolutely, amico mio. Again, just for the record, I could not care less who wins the WDC (as long as he is a Ferrari driver) and we win the WCC. :-)

Yup, that has to be the team goal, I really like them both and will cheer them both on in equal measures and will celebrate their wins in the same fashion, I have absolutely no preference which Ferrari driver comes out on top as long as it's one of them, haven't wanted a specific (Ferrari) driver to win the WDC since '99... :thumb

I am more concerned about their respective fans getting on with each other than the actual drivers..! :-)

[Tifoso]

haven't wanted a specific (Ferrari) driver to win the WDC since '99... :thumb



Eddie should have definitely won. His year. He was robbed. Or had it stolen from him. Or got into a bar fight. Or something.

[brembo man]

Absolutely, amico mio. Again, just for the record, I could not care less who wins the WDC (as long as he is a Ferrari driver) and we win the WCC. :-)

Do you believe that either driver would have been the same as long as we got the WCC during the time Rubens drove for us ?

[scuderiafan]

I have a feeling that Kimi might just win the staunchest of hearts with his performances this season.
This time round it is a lot more relaxing, as he is not brought in as the great Michael Schumacher's replacement, but alongside Fernando Alonso. To an extent now he can do his own thing, and Alonso will keep Kimi on his toes.

Forza Kimi

[TheFatHippo]

The problem I see with Kimi/Alonso is that they could steal points off each other. When push comes to shove, RB will order Ricciardo to make way for Vettel and the same will happen at Mercedes, we've seen that at Malysia last year. So, it is certainly good for the WCC, but in terms of the drivers title, not so much.

[Tifoso]

Do you believe that either driver would have been the same as long as we got the WCC during the time Rubens drove for us ?

Michael was more talented, obviously. I would have loved to see Rubens win the WDC with us.

[wisepie]

The problem I see with Kimi/Alonso is that they could steal points off each other. When push comes to shove, RB will order Ricciardo to make way for Vettel and the same will happen at Mercedes, we've seen that at Malysia last year. So, it is certainly good for the WCC, but in terms of the drivers title, not so much.

I hope they'll be in the position to steal points off each other because it will mean we're up with the best and they'll put pressure on each other to deliver. And I'm not sure about Mercedes asking either of their drivers to give way to the other unless there's a big difference in their points tally. Team orders of that nature should only come into play when it's justified. I think Rosberg certainly showed his hand against Lewis in 2013, but I sincerely hope that they won't be stealing points from us!

[TheFatHippo]

Of course, if Kimi and Fernando trade wins they'll get ahead in the championship, but at a slower rate than if there was a clear #1. And the danger with RB is, that they've out-developed every team in the last four seasons, meaning that they get stronger as the season goes on, so the vital part of the season is the first half. Just like Vettel always tries to get out of DRS range over the first 3 laps, Ferrari has to put serious points into RB early on, because realistically RB will be faster on development later on. 2012 is a case in point. Fernando was 46 points ahead halfway into the season. That's almost two race wins. But then RB cranked it up and Ferrari development stalled. You need to get one driver far ahead early in the season and that doesn't work if you have two top dogs in the team.

[Rob]

The problem I see with Kimi/Alonso is that they could steal points off each other. When push comes to shove, RB will order Ricciardo to make way for Vettel and the same will happen at Mercedes, we've seen that at Malysia last year. So, it is certainly good for the WCC, but in terms of the drivers title, not so much.

Hasnt hurt RBR other past few years with having to good strong drivers. Plus, Kimi and Fernando are mature enough now to realise that and do whats best for team.

[Petronius]

The problem I see with Kimi/Alonso is that they could steal points off each other. When push comes to shove, RB will order Ricciardo to make way for Vettel and the same will happen at Mercedes, we've seen that at Malysia last year. So, it is certainly good for the WCC, but in terms of the drivers title, not so much.

I don't understand the argument off stealing points from each other, because best possible outcome for the team comes via optimal collection off points delivered by internal competition and motivated drivers. Main objective is certainly to steal as many points as possible from competing teams as a team effort...or did I miss something? If, and possibly when, the other driver has lost his theoretical chance to compete for the WDC -title and the other driver still has a theoretical chance to achieve it, it is quite natural to apply team orders in favor to the one who still has the momentum.

Team orders to pull aside or slow down in favor off team mate in any other conditions is pure stupidity. It create's negative dis motivated atmosphere inside the team and bad will amongst the supporters. Why would Ferrari team or any supporter want that to happen?

[brembo man]

[QUOTE=Petronius;821776Team orders to pull aside or slow down in favor off team mate in any other conditions is pure stupidity. It create's negative dis motivated atmosphere inside the team and bad will amongst the supporters. Why would Ferrari team or any supporter want that to happen?[/QUOTE]

Someone should have mentioned that to Todt when Rubens drove for his teamate. Todt's theory was to start telling Rubens to "let him pass" from day one just in case the #1 guy need a point come the end of thye season. Most fans here complained about Rubens complaining at the end. He was affectionately called " The Moaner" After all, he got paid. What else could he want? As you say, pure stupidity, negative atmosphere, bad will among supporters. Agin, he got paid what else could a driver want.

[brembo man]

So 'above expectations' actually mean: we don't expect anything from him?

So if that's the case we could have just as well expected nothing from Massa and signed him up again. :rotfl All kidding aside, I believe if it had to be, Kimi was the right choice. He's a proven champion. Points galore for Ferrari come 2014.

[radosav]

Never saw Kimi speaks so much and enjoys himself so much!:-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WciOAU1SI_8&feature=player_detailpage

[brembo man]

So much for thinking Kimi gives short answers ! He's the man!! Mr Personality !

[wisepie]

So much for thinking Kimi gives short answers ! He's the man!! Mr Personality !

I think he needs a drink.....then there would be no stopping him.:-D