Bernie blames Ferrari for double points

[Aussie]

Bernie Ecclestone says the new double points rule has been implemented because of Ferrari's failure to take on Red Bull Racing.

Red Bull have reigned supreme in recent years, winning four successive Constructors' titles while Sebastian Vettel has taken the Drivers' crown.

Such is the German's level of dominance that last season he won the Championship with three races to spare.

Ferrari driver Fernando Alonso was second, a whopping 155 points off the pace. The Spaniard won just two races, Vettel won 13.

And it's because of Ferrari's failure to stop Red Bull that this season Formula One will award double points at the final race in Abu Dhabi.

Speaking to City AM's Christian Sylt, Ecclestone revealed he had a conversation with Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo about the issue.

"He [di Montezemolo] was talking about it and I said: 'It is very simple why we got that [rule]. It is because you aren't performing. If you were doing what you should be doing there wouldn't be any need for it'," said Ecclestone.

"He said: 'I know, I know.'"
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/9149576/Bernie-Blames-Ferrari-For-Double-Points

[Hornet]

Bernie forgot is daily medicine again :crazy

[RedPassion]

Bernie forgot is daily medicine again :crazy
Bernie and Horner needs rehab NOW!!!!!!!

[mirafiori]

I keep telling everybody on this forum he is an idiot and now hopefully more members might now start to agree with me, Bernie has now obviously got dementia, if this guy carries on what next will we see, on a mobility scooter on the grid with Red Bull logo's.

[Katu]

he cannot be serious!!!

[Rishu]

With Red Bull's testing problems, I suggest double points in first 4 races..

[coolrunnings_99]

Bernie is right on this one, as right as he usually is:clap

[shamim179]

Bernie is right. DRS was introduced in 2011 because of Ferrari's failure to clinch the title as Alonso just couldn't get past traffic after that disastrous strategy in 2010. Now for 2014 we have double points again this is related to 2012 in the last race where Alonso would have been crowned champion. Its all about levelling the playing field.

[Corey]

We should thank him. I like the ideas of how he has the thought of making life a bit easier for us, but these things actually need to work. Rather than coming up with regulations that help us maybe they should think of something that shall handicap Red Bull, the ban of that EBD was a good one. We need more of that :thumb

[Jose Lorca]

LDM was one of the first to complain about double points. Bernie is an idiot.

The double points rules benefits those who are the best at in-season development, which in the last few years has been Red Bull. Now Red Bull and Renault are struggling and he wants double points for the final three races. Anyone surprised?

[Winter]

Yes and now, when it looks like RedBull won't be competetive at early of the season, douple point should be given last 3 races. What a clowns!

[RedPassion]

Bernie would sell his soul to let Sebastian and RedBull continue winning,yet he dont understand that most people despise RedBull and how they win and behave and thats why f1 spectators are leaving,not because of boring championship.We had in the last years some of the most exciting f1 championships ever since the 90s,where in the 2000s we had boring championships were Ferrari was always winning and spectators were not becaming less,why?Simple,the average f1 fans love competition,love Ferrari,love Mclaren,love Williams because they have done f1 history and have each one their own flair,but RedBull is despised by the most,thats the difference!

[Tobes]

Bernie does have a point, and his words are a bit of a back handed compliment, he expects a bit more from Ferrari, and reasonably so, the fact he says Ferrari and not McLaren, Williams or Mercedes only shows the level of expectation and esteem he holds Ferrari, if the double points rule existed in '08 Massa would be a WDC and not Lewis, and Alonso would be the '12 WDC and both he and Vettel would be three time WDC's.
The reality is we can blame the tires, or the wind tunnel, or come up with a multitude of reasons and excuses, but the truth is we have just not been good enough for too long now, i'm not necessarily agreeing with the double points rule, but I do agree with Bernie that we have not been performing at a good enough level for a few years now...

[Nova]

Blah, blah, blah...another meaningless comment, another meaningless thread. Bring on the racing!

[eddie]

actually, I like the idea.... #3 could be #1 if its a close race on points.

so this will well mean, the get going starts from the 1st race.

every point will be more important than ever.

if you leave it to the final races to decide who becomes world champion and if that race is a three or four horse race, then its going to be nail biting and nerve wrecking...

good move Bernie! :-D

now wears my Kevlar suit and helmet and run.... :-P

[Kingdom Hearts]

and Alonso would be the '10 WDC

Are you sure?.

[mark p]

Are you sure?.

He would have lost 2010 but won 2012. Based on last race results drs in 2010 no drs 2012 Alonso would have won 2 of last 4 wdc. That it was other way round meant Vettel won both instead bur of course all race results would have changed through each year so a very loose point.

[Nero Horse]

The amount of incoherent crazy gibberish that comes out of that old man's mouth is simply mind-blowing. Take your pills Bernie, and just shut up! :-??

[hrc5555]

The funny thing is that this rule could go against us if we are in possition to lead in final race! :-??

[DIEK]

Bernie, a scammer will never change... :ouch

[Rob]

Bernie does have a point, and his words are a bit of a back handed compliment, he expects a bit more from Ferrari, and reasonably so, the fact he says Ferrari and not McLaren, Williams or Mercedes only shows the level of expectation and esteem he holds Ferrari, if the double points rule existed in '08 Massa would be a WDC and not Lewis, and Alonso would be the '12 WDC and both he and Vettel would be three time WDC's.
The reality is we can blame the tires, or the wind tunnel, or come up with a multitude of reasons and excuses, but the truth is we have just not been good enough for too long now, i'm not necessarily agreeing with the double points rule, but I do agree with Bernie that we have not been performing at a good enough level for a few years now...

:thumb

Was going to post something along those lines mate.:clap

[REDARMYSOJA]

Who knows what thetruth is, but double points wouldn't have helped anyone last season, other than Vettel that is. He would have racked up even more.

[Winter]

The funny thing is that this rule could go against us if we are in possition to lead in final race! :-??

At the moment it seems to prefer RedBull and to be against us and all Merc powered teams.

[Ste]

To be honest, I feel what Bernie actually meant was "you aren't performing" as a collective - all of the top teams besides Red Bull. At the time he was speaking to Luca and because of that, everyone has gone and written the headline "Bernie blames Ferrari...".

Could be wrong of course.

[Jacquesvw]

Red bull might have the FIA on their side, but we have Bernie, oh goodie.

[wisepie]

The funny thing is that this rule could go against us if we are in possition to lead in final race! :-??

Good point and how much more artificial tinkering with the rules is Bernie going to come up with? He may well have been joking with LdM but Bernie isn't known for explaining anything he says, he just makes these comments and walks away waiting for the reaction!

[dpiatto]

Oh you've go to love this guy.lol
Anything for reaction & publicity just like the revolving door scene.
I honestly don't think he cares about F1 anymore and just wants to make a mockery of the show.

[SilverSpeed]

I think his attendant got the day off, and he escaped from the institution again.

[PlatzdaTurbo]

:-E Has he lost his marbles or has he lost his marbles ??!!

[brembo man]

Bernie is a billionare, he's seems to get around quite well for someone who has passed 80 which in itself is a big deal. He still wants to keep active working even with his successes. I believe he is a Ferrari fan for sure. If all this means he's mentally disturbed, I hope the same for me.

[Petronius]

To be honest, I feel what Bernie actually meant was "you aren't performing" as a collective - all of the top teams besides Red Bull. At the time he was speaking to Luca and because of that, everyone has gone and written the headline "Bernie blames Ferrari...".

Could be wrong of course.

I absolutely agree on this one. However there is a point, because Ferrari is supposed to win and team has been the closest challenger to RBR for a while

[Hornet]

Bernie is a billionare, he's seems to get around quite well for someone who has passed 80 which in itself is a big deal. He still wants to keep active working even with his successes. I believe he is a Ferrari fan for sure. If all this means he's mentally disturbed, I hope the same for me.

Nothing wrong if Bernie loves Ferrari, but saying stuff like that will only make things worse for Ferrari and the sport. We can't simply change the rules just because we do not like the results. To mention Ferrari will only make it seem like he's doing it for Ferrari.

The worse part is, it would be a farce if the outcome of this year's title is only made possible due to the double points (where if we apply the old approach of equal points for all races, the outcome would be different.) People are going to take the equal point side because that is the fairer system. No reason why drivers should magically get double points in the last race, unless they double the race distance or something to make the extra points worthy.

[raylinds]

I would rather not see Ferrari win the championship then to see us win based on rule changes that are designed to affect the championship artificially.

We win on the track on a level field or not at all. Winning any other way is a hollow victory.

[Giallo 550]

I would rather not see Ferrari win the championship then to see us win based on rule changes that are designed to affect the championship artificially.

We win on the track on a level field or not at all. Winning any other way is a hollow victory.

I had the exact same reaction when I first heard of the rule change.

[brembo man]

I have to believe Bernie is only worried and thinking about losing fan attendance and F1 fans in general if a "New' team like Red Bull wins over and over in the next few years. So as the saying goes, Any Port in a Storm will do. Change the point rules or whatever, he feels will get F1 out of this RB domination. This might sound hypocritical but if Ferrari was the team always winning [Again], all would be fine. We are F1, not some new team on the block. Fans always pack the race tracks when were the ones on top. I remember over 200,000 !!! at Indy for a race. It was amazing ! I think Rubens won that race ! :rotfl

[Tifoso]

If Ferrari insisted on this, then I am very disappointed. No race should be worth more than another. Monumentally stupid idea.

[Rob]

If Ferrari insisted on this, then I am very disappointed. No race should be worth more than another. Monumentally stupid idea.

Maybe the classic races, like Silverstone, Monza, Spa, Monaco, yeah maybe worth double points or something. Not all those have them, but make it worth a little extra.

[stefa]

If Ferrari insisted on this, then I am very disappointed. No race should be worth more than another. Monumentally stupid idea.

:clap Amen to this! :thumb

[abbottcostello]

Bernie should try using his mouth for talking, not the orifice he usually uses. Always has the outrageous quotes on the ready, just a snake in the grass IMHO! I hoped his bribery trial would keep him busy enough that he wouldn't be spouting off so much, apparently not the case.

Plus, the guy loves Vettel, plays backgammon w/him at the tracks all the time, so not really too sure how much of a Ferrari fan he really is (but realizes Ferrari is a powerful voice in F1, or was until recently!)

Edit: Forgot to say, I don't think he's said Ferrari insisted or suggested even, that there should be double points, basically Bernie said Ferrari's poor performance (being unable to beat RB in 4 yrs.) was the cause for HIM making the stupid rule!!! And Bernie saying LDM replied "I know, I know!" seems like even more fantasy from Bernie. (I would hope Luca had a better reply than that!) First one race, now they keep talking about the final 3 races. Hey, if more is better, why not make them all double points?

[brembo man]

If Ferrari insisted on this, then I am very disappointed. No race should be worth more than another. Monumentally stupid idea.

I know it's not the same but what did you think about when the NBA started the 3 pt. shot back in 1979? They made that shot worth more than the others. It seemed to work out fine seeing how it's still around. Or in baseball when everyone moved the fences in big time ! Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio always said that was a disgrace. Mantle saved Don Larson's perfect game in the series against the Dodgers catching Gil Hodges shot to left center @ 557 feet !! Today that's an out of the park shot . I have to believe all that change in any sport is to keep fans happy and the big shots $$$$.

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

Bernie is trying to deflect the blame away from himself, to suggest that he has no say in these matters is plain ignorance. I mean is it any coincidence that Renault's engine problems are then followed by this stupid proposition to double the point for the last three races? Who is he trying to fool? Clearly a rule manufactured to aid the likes of Red Bull.

[Tifoso]

I know it's not the same but what did you think about when the NBA started the 3 pt. shot back in 1979? They made that shot worth more than the others. It seemed to work out fine seeing how it's still around. Or in baseball when everyone moved the fences in big time ! Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio always said that was a disgrace. Mantle saved Don Larson's perfect game in the series against the Dodgers catching Gil Hodges shot to left center @ 557 feet !! Today that's an out of the park shot . I have to believe all that change in any sport is to keep fans happy and the big shots $$$$.

1. 2 wrongs don't make a right

2. I hate the DH :-D

3. None of those examples apply. MLB and NBA (I think--never watch NBA) do not have games that are worth more than other games. Imagine: announcer: "Yankees @ Red Sox today. Yanks are ahead of the Sox by 5 games (naturally-Lou :-D). This is a huge game, as the Sox can move ahead of the Yankees with a win today. Remember, this game is worth 6 times a normal game". :roll ;-)

[DIEK]

http://www.gifsparatumblr.com/images/bernie-1391448124.gif

[brembo man]

1. 2 wrongs don't make a right

2. I hate the DH :-D

3. None of those examples apply. MLB and NBA (I think--never watch NBA) do not have games that are worth more than other games. Imagine: announcer: "Yankees @ Red Sox today. Yanks are ahead of the Sox by 5 games (naturally-Lou :-D). This is a huge game, as the Sox can move ahead of the Yankees with a win today. Remember, this game is worth 6 times a normal game". :roll ;-)

How about when your out of the playoffs by a game in Sept ? April games count like every F1 race. Remember Todt condoning his " let him pass " even in the begining of the season saying at the end you " Might" be behing just by a point. .. I hate when pitchers get up to bat! :rotfl

[tifosi_kaka]

So according to Bernie's logic, should Bayern continue to dominate European football, some absurd and unrealistic rules should be implemented, for example double counting the goals scored in the last five minutes, and this would be the fault of their rivals, the likes of Barca, Real, Dortmund and United etc?

Why don't they just admit that F1 is now a reality show than a sport? Most of the changes were introduced to make the show 'more attractive', but I have not really seen such measures being implemented by FIFA, ATP or WTA. Why not give tennis players a trump card so that points or games would count as double when used? Or a freezer card so that the opponent cannot move when used?

Maybe in the future we are going to see special achievements each race, for example reaching a top speed of 360km/h at Monza, which would yield extra points to the team. And this would be Ferrari's fault.

[Alessandra]

So according to Bernie's logic, should Bayern continue to dominate European football, some absurd and unrealistic rules should be implemented, for example double counting the goals scored in the last five minutes, and this would be the fault of their rivals, the likes of Barca, Real, Dortmund and United etc?

Why don't they just admit that F1 is now a reality show than a sport? Most of the changes were introduced to make the show 'more attractive', but I have not really seen such measures being implemented by FIFA, ATP or WTA. Why not give tennis players a trump card so that points or games would count as double when used? Or a freezer card so that the opponent cannot move when used?


Maybe in the future we are going to see special achievements each race, for example reaching a top speed of 360km/h at Monza, which would yield extra points to the team. And this would be Ferrari's fault.


And...
Ecclestone may be right about Ferrari (or any other team really) failing to do their job but how double points in the last race(s) will sort this mess out I really don’t know. Will it enable a team other than RBR to win the WCC?
And, as others have said, if RBR has a poor start to the 2014 season but Newey does his job thereafter for the rest of the racing year the only team to benefit from the new points system at the end will be RBR won’t it?
In a proper sport, however frustrating it may be, you don’t change the width of the goal because Real Madrid keeps winning. You don’t change the 100 metres to 115 metres because Usain Bolt keeps winning. Changing the points system is an absurd plan which has nothing to do with sport. But then how much of a sport F1 is in Bernie’s eyes?
And another thing….

If the WDC is truly a competitive piece of sport then perhaps we need to be considering other methods of judging the driver of the year?
How about drivers change cars several times in a year?
Perhaps you should have to have finished on the podium in three different cars throughout the year?
Perhaps after the first lap all car radios should be switched off so that drivers have to think for themselves?

[Winter]

In my opinion it's not right to compare F1 to football or Basket ball or any other traditional sports. Formula1 has evolved always and will be evolving all the time.
It is the name of the game, it's part of this sport/show/business.

I think that Bernie is too old for being such a big factor in F1. But he deserves some credit and respect for all the good what he has done
for this sport. And I dont think that he ment to blaim Ferrari. I think he meant that Ferrari should have done better lately and I agree with him.

This douple points thing is a wrong call though, if championchip is winned by it, in many minds there will be 2 champions, the real one and the one
who got it because of this stupid new rule..

[brembo man]

And...
Ecclestone may be right about Ferrari (or any other team really) failing to do their job but how double points in the last race(s) will sort this mess out I really don’t know. Will it enable a team other than RBR to win the WCC?
And, as others have said, if RBR has a poor start to the 2014 season but Newey does his job thereafter for the rest of the racing year the only team to benefit from the new points system at the end will be RBR won’t it?
In a proper sport, however frustrating it may be, you don’t change the width of the goal because Real Madrid keeps winning. You don’t change the 100 metres to 115 metres because Usain Bolt keeps winning. Changing the points system is an absurd plan which has nothing to do with sport. But then how much of a sport F1 is in Bernie’s eyes?
And another thing….

If the WDC is truly a competitive piece of sport then perhaps we need to be considering other methods of judging the driver of the year?
How about drivers change cars several times in a year?
Perhaps you should have to have finished on the podium in three different cars throughout the year?
Perhaps after the first lap all car radios should be switched off so that drivers have to think for themselves?
Weather you meant it that way or not, you have allot of great ideas for F1 ! I especially like the car radio off after the 1st lap, virtually eliminating team orders! Bernies fired, your hired.

[Alessandra]

Weather you meant it that way or not, you have allot of great ideas for F1 ! I especially like the car radio off after the 1st lap, virtually eliminating team orders! Bernies fired, your hired.


Thank you very much:-D
I presume the cheque's in the post?

[brembo man]

Just waiting FIA approval. Double Bernie's pay is what your worth !

[Alessandra]

Just waiting FIA approval. Double Bernie's pay is what your worth !

:thumb

[EL_NANDO]

Formula 1 boss Bernie Ecclestone presses on with double points plan

Bernie Ecclestone is pushing ahead with his attempt to introduce double points at the final three races of the year despite widespread unease.

The decision to award double points in the final race has been met with uproar by fans and most teams believe going further would be a mistake.

But Ecclestone is to try to get his new plan introduced after pre-season testing concludes in early March.

The Formula 1 boss, 83, needs unanimous approval from the teams to succeed.

Ecclestone is said to have backing from Red Bull, who are on the back foot heading into the new season following a troubled start to testing.

Team principal Christian Horner, a close ally of Ecclestone, has said he believes extending the scheme to the final three races would "take away an element of lottery over that last race".

But the majority of the other teams privately believe extending double points to the last three races is unwise.

There is a belief that it is gimmicky, that it undermines the sport and that it is the wrong solution to the fall in television audiences that followed after Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel tied up last year's title early, which is the reason Ecclestone has given for introducing double points.

One senior figure described Ecclestone's plan as "a stupid, artificial construction".

Ecclestone believes having double points at more races would make the end of the season more exciting.

He told CNN: "The reason is simple - with the calendar as it is the championship could be over by September and if there's another three races to go and a car that looks like it could win easy now - (the rival cars) if they win two or three races at the end, could win the championship (instead).

"Why should it devalue six races before the end? People will be following like hell to see who's there at the end of the races. Win the last three and you can win the championship. It's a whole different scenario."

The plan for the final race to be double points was introduced last December, and support from Jean Todt, president of governing body the FIA, was crucial in allowing it to pass smoothly.

However, sources say Todt is wary of the backlash against the plan and will only support Ecclestone in his push to extend the ploy to the final three races if the teams give their unanimous backing.

The issue is expected to be discussed at a meeting of F1's strategy group early next month.

This body comprises Ecclestone, Todt and six of the teams. Decisions can pass by a simple majority of votes; Ecclestone and Todt have six votes each, the six teams one each.

Even if the new plan passes the strategy group, it would still need unanimous approval of all the teams, according to the rules.

However, insiders are concerned that Ecclestone will get his way even though a majority of the teams would prefer the three-race idea not to be introduced.

Such is his influence, Ecclestone has a number of ways of persuading teams to back him even if they do not really want to.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/26280304

This is becoming an absolute joke. We are 3 weeks away from the first race, and the points rules are still up in the air. If it only will take one team to say no, surely Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren for starters will never allow this. What Bernie has failed to realise is by putting so much emphasis on the final 3 races, it will mean the first 16 or so races are much less important

It's still crazy how 1 race has double points, does anyone know if the teams had to agree to this in the first place? I don't understand why all teams have to agree to this new rule change, but I don't remember reading this when it was first announced in early December.

[Hornet]

With their troubles going on, of course Horner is going to want to extend it to 3 race. This is just dumb, allowing the sport to be manipulated in such ways.

Luca DM needs to do everything he can to stop this.

[EL_NANDO]

With their troubles going on, of course Horner is going to want to extend it to 3 race. This is just dumb, allowing the sport to be manipulated in such ways.

Luca DM needs to do everything he can to stop this.

Read Horner's quotes when Renault were allowed to make engine changes before the 2010 season:

Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner said: "I think the problem is if you don't allow some development, then you freeze in an advantage for one team or a disadvantage for another.

"So there has to be a balancing of that, otherwise we will end up with Mercedes-powered cars winning all the races - which I think is not good for F1. And other manufacturers may choose to leave F1 off of the back of that.

"The engine isn't supposed to be a key performance differentiator and therefore hopefully the ruling body will balance out somewhat the differences there at the moment."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82246

Amazing how he now doesn't see any issue with Red Bull winning everything. I don't think even he believes a word he says.

[Hornet]

:lol Wow




"The engine isn't supposed to be a key performance differentiator and therefore hopefully the ruling body will balance out somewhat the differences there at the moment."

I think Enzo Ferrari would have disagreed with him there. Horner wants it to be about aero only. Now he's already crying about engine making a difference :baby

[tifosi1993]

Who cares what Horner says, even his own drivers doesn't gives a **** about what he says.

[EL_NANDO]

:lol Wow


I think Enzo Ferrari would have disagreed with him there. Horner wants it to be about aero only. Now he's already crying about engine making a difference :baby

Just to clarify these are comments Horner made are before the 2010 season. The worrying thing is that they are potentially even more relevant now, when I read the article I had to do a double check of the date. I haven't heard him doing any moaning about it being unfair with the engines just yet, but I'm sure behind the scenes he's lobbying every way he can.

Also good on Vettel to say he's not in favour of the double points. Not a fan of his at all, but credit where it is due.

[PURE PASSION]

Mr Horner, do you realize that you are participate in motorsport!!!! The key word is MOTOR!!!!!!!!

[JMCARC1]

Another take on it:

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/double-points-logic-becomes-clear/

[Nero Horse]

Horner: "So there has to be a balancing of that, otherwise we will end up with Mercedes-powered cars winning all the races - which I think is not good for F1. And other manufacturers may choose to leave F1 off of the back of that."

Oh but it's completely okay when RB wins all the races, right? What a hypocrite...pfff! I wouldn't want to see Merc-powered cars winning all the races either, but Horner is the last person who should open his mouth on this subject lol.


Horner: "The engine isn't supposed to be a key performance differentiator..."

Well, you are WRONG. :-??

[RedPassion]

Read Horner's quotes when Renault were allowed to make engine changes before the 2010 season:

Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner said: "I think the problem is if you don't allow some development, then you freeze in an advantage for one team or a disadvantage for another.

"So there has to be a balancing of that, otherwise we will end up with Mercedes-powered cars winning all the races - which I think is not good for F1. And other manufacturers may choose to leave F1 off of the back of that.

"The engine isn't supposed to be a key performance differentiator and therefore hopefully the ruling body will balance out somewhat the differences there at the moment."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82246

Amazing how he now doesn't see any issue with Red Bull winning everything. I don't think even he believes a word he says.
Thats whats called fair competition:crazy,if someone is better than you he will win just because he is better and not because he like your team receves unfair advantages.Than why not about balancing aerodynamics,when a team is becaming much faster because of aerodynamics just freeze it,and let the other ones develope until they are as fast as you.Sorry guys this clown is completely bonkers:crazy,he has completely lost his mind,if Mercedes did a better job,so be it, they deserve to win,and if renault built a vacuum cleaner instead of an engine,its their own fault,and if they want to quit they know were the exit door is,nobody will miss them as Red Bull anyway.And if they want free development,than let it be for everyone free,thats called fair competion cry baby Horner,and i believe it would be an even worse picture for Renault.In the End they want just to play everything on aero because they have to justify 700 employes without engine department,Mr Horner there is GP2 if you want.

[RedPassion]

Oh but it's completely okay when RB wins all the races, right? What a hypocrite...pfff! I wouldn't want to see Merc-powered cars winning all the races either, but Horner is the last person who should open his mouth on this subject lol.




Well, you are WRONG. :-??
F1 was born to elevate engine building above all,aero and the rest came 40 years later,but of course he must speak nonsense because his lobby push him to do it.
If engines should not make the difference in MOTORSPORT than why we are not already calling it AEROSPORT????:haha:

[Nero Horse]

F1 was born to elevate engine building above all

Yes, exactly. :thumb

[RedPassion]

Yes, exactly. :thumb
If nobody of the engine contructors can show to be better than the other one there is no sense in taking part,thats why Honda and Toyota went,not the opposite Mr Horner.Even Allison said that the 2006/2013 period was the anomaly not the reverse,take a break joker.
And you know whats absurd,in the Red Bull air race that has nothing to do with Motorsport,even there engine differences are the most important factor for the Performance of an Aeroplane,thats why pilots try to Level up all the time,why should be in Motorsport different?????? Renault was at the top very Long time because of its engines.It is just Lobbying,in every motoristic Sport the engine has a key role in the Performance of a vehicle(Superbike,Moto GP,LMP1,DTM......)but F1 the pinnacle of the Sport???????????????Keith Duckworth(may he R.I.P) would for sure come back just to slap him.Red Bull is starting to look like a brainwashing cult:-Gy really