Massa talks about Alonso's work in 2013.

[Kingdom Hearts]

http://www.f1zone.net/news/alonso-didnt-use-simulator-in-2013-says-massa/26131/


I guess every time Alonso said on twitter and Ferrari in their website that Alonso was in the simulator or working on the development of the car, it was a lie.

[tifosi1993]

Rubens Bitterchello 2.0

[Module]

http://www.f1zone.net/news/alonso-didnt-use-simulator-in-2013-says-massa/26131/


I guess every time Alonso said on twitter and Ferrari in their website that Alonso was in the simulator or working on the development of the car, it was a lie.

Same as said in other topic. When ALO sais his in simulator it's at home, not in Maranello in the big simulator

[Hornet]

Same as said in other topic. When ALO sais his in simulator it's at home, not in Maranello in the big simulator

You've got to back that up.

[Module]

You've got to back that up.

Here's a video of the simulator he has at home and that he trains with:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22218163

And just to make clear that Massa is saying the truth:

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12474/9076427/fernando-alonso-sampled-ferraris-2014-for-the-first-time-on-a-simulator-in-maranello

[Hornet]

Here's a video of the simulator he has at home and that he trains with:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22218163

And just to make clear that Massa is saying the truth:

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12474/9076427/fernando-alonso-sampled-ferraris-2014-for-the-first-time-on-a-simulator-in-maranello

I don't see anywhere in Alonso's tweet that he was referring to that. And it's normal for the driver to learn 2014 only after 2013. Prior to the end of 2013, their simulator work are about learning for the next track, and of course any development for 2013.

Massa was talking about 2013 development. Nothing to do with 2014, so I don't see how one have anything to do with the other. Nothing strange about Alonso trying the 2014 car after the season ends.

[Module]

I don't see anywhere in Alonso's tweet that he was referring to that. And it's normal for the driver to learn 2014 only after 2013. Prior to the end of 2013, their simulator work are about learning for the next track, and of course any development for 2013.

Massa was talking about 2013 development. Nothing to do with 2014, so I don't see how one have anything to do with the other. Nothing strange about Alonso trying the 2014 car after the season ends.

Yes and if you read the other tweets you notice he's in Spain and has pictures of eating or cyckling the same day....in Spain

[Senna4Ever]

And still I wonder for what purpose we have DelaRosa then ... ?
I thought it is mainly his work to be in the "big" simulator ...

[Hornet]

Yes and if you read the other tweets you notice he's in Spain and has pictures of eating or cyckling the same day....in Spain

Perhaps, but that still has got nothing to do with 2013 though. If it's true that Massa did all the development work in 2013, then now Alonso have to take over as Massa is gone from the team.

[Module]

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@alo_oficial said:


Done for today. 4;30h in the simulator, 96 laps at Spa. Some interesting things. Tomorrow more! Keep pushing

Thats the one he uses, at home. Here is a nice video of Ferraris simulator for development, the one Massa refers to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_tXG-89IU

[Kingdom Hearts]

Module all your links are fine but I don't know what do you want to prove, the fact is that Alonso do his training in the simulator and work in the car development like Massa does, Massa said it in a way that it sounds like Alonso doesn't work. If Alonso works from home, is because is accepted by the team, so Massa rambling is out of place.

[Module]

Module all your links are fine but I don't know what do you want to prove, the fact is that Alonso do his training in the simulator and work in the car development like Massa does, Massa said it in a way that it sounds like Alonso doesn't work. If Alonso works from home, is because is accepted by the team, so Massa rambling is out of place.

Just that Massa is saying it as it is, he talked about the development simulator, and shouldnt get flack for it. Ofcourse it can be discussed why he wants to talk about his time in Ferrari....

[Katu]

in this case, i still wonder how Fernando managed to get more out of car than Felipe did...

[Kingdom Hearts]

Just that Massa is saying it as it is, he talked about the development simulator, and shouldnt get flack for it. Ofcourse it can be discussed why he wants to talk about his time in Ferrari....


He could have said that while he does all his job in Maranello, Alonso does it in his house because he has a simulator there, instead, he said it in a way that is sounds like Alonso does not work and he is the one doing all the work. If you check all the news from Ferrari.com you wll find that Alonso also goes to Maranello when the team ask him.

This is not a matter of where or when, is a matter of wording, and Massa did it in away that portraits him as the hard worker and Alonso as the lazy with half truths. The funny thing is that Alonso still beat him, no matter if he work in the simulator or not, so at the end of the day, the shoot backfired.

[Hornet]

Just that Massa is saying it as it is, he talked about the development simulator, and shouldnt get flack for it. Ofcourse it can be discussed why he wants to talk about his time in Ferrari....

Your post doesn't really prove anything. Massa was talking about last year, and Alonso certainly doesn't tweet everything he does at the factory, so trying to prove that one of Alonso's tweet was about what he do at home has got nothing to do with the topic in hand.

We are not working in Ferrari so none of us will know what goes on or if it's true, but it doesn't really matter. Both Alonso and Massa are always prepared to contribute whatever they can to make sure Ferrari wins, this is something you cannot deny. If Ferrari wants Alonso in the simulator, he will be there. If Ferrari puts Massa in the sim for development, they have their reason.

Massa isn't trying to imply Alonso cannot work in the sim or doesn't want to anyway.

[Nero Horse]

I'm afraid this is just the beginning... so when's the 1000 page book of "grievances" coming Felipe?

[Sianellen]

You are all reading way too much into one comment.

[Module]

You are all reading way too much into one comment.

:lol Thats what off-season does to you....

[ferrari4life]

all that work he put in and he still sucked on the track.. Just go away gracefully and stop talking about a driver that beat the crap out of you.

Ferrari gave you plenty of opportunities just be grateful.

[Senna4Ever]

You are all reading way too much into one comment.

or you just think first and don't spread ... avoid the crap before it grows ...

[Rishu]

I understand drivers prepare for races via Simulator. Alonso does that in Maranello or at his home & Massa also did that at the factory. But what I don't understand is where we use Pedro when it comes to using Simulator for car development? Because obviously Massa is talking about car development & not race preparations

[Rob]

I understand drivers prepare for races via Simulator. Alonso does that in Maranello or at his home & Massa also did that at the factory. But what I don't understand is where we use Pedro when it comes to using Simulator for car development? Because obviously Massa is talking about car development & not race preparations

He was bought in to help get the sim up to modern standards. As he been at Mclaren for all those years, and they got one of the best ones. Plus, its well known that Pedro is really, if not one of the best sim development drivers.

[Hornet]

I'm just guessing here, but I think with no in season testing now, only the drivers can give accurate feedback since they are the only who have the chance to drive the car.

Maybe our reserve driver could play a role for testing the 2014 car during 2013 since the active drivers are still tuned to the 2013 car style. But once the season starts, the active drivers will be the one who knows the car best and can give feedback on any changes.

[Forzi]

I'm afraid this is just the beginning... so when's the 1000 page book of "grievances" coming Felipe?

No need to light fires, haven't seen and rather sure we wont be seeing Felipe saying anything bad about the team. Those who think he could, never really saw what kind of a person Felipe was. He loves and i dear say will always be thankful to Ferrari.

[Kyss4k]

Oh Felipe... don't do that. Just don't. :-!

[Rishu]

He was bought in to help get the sim up to modern standards. As he been at Mclaren for all those years, and they got one of the best ones. Plus, its well known that Pedro is really, if not one of the best sim development drivers.

So he is a simulator developer instead of car developer. Lol

On a serious note, maybe he is used to drive in simulators during flyaway races when race drivers are not available. Is it?

[Nero Horse]

No need to light fires, haven't seen and rather sure we wont be seeing Felipe saying anything bad about the team. Those who think he could, never really saw what kind of a person Felipe was. He loves and i dear say will always be thankful to Ferrari.

Well, I never would've believed that Barrichello would do something like that either, but he did...

I really-really hope that Felipe won't go down that road, we'll see.

[Forzi]

"Alonso wasn't there"

Can't believe that a line like this could create this kind of fuss. Jeez people, :lou

[Forzi]

Well, I never would've believed that Barrichello would do something like that either, but he did...

I really-really hope that Felipe won't go down that road, we'll see.

Honestly, was rather sure that Barrichello would do something like that. I mean, seriously, the lad had a rough time with some huge moments that i wouldn't want any driver go through. And i'm a Shumi fan, but i've always felt sorry for Rubens.

[Nero Horse]

Honestly, was rather sure that Barrichello would do something like that. I mean, seriously, the lad had a rough time with some huge moments that i wouldn't want any driver go through. And i'm a Shumi fan, but i've always felt sorry for Rubens.

Anybody who starts throwing mud after leaving the team (any team) is just a sad bitter backstabber. There's a saying that "What happens on the battlefield, stays on the battlefield".

And oh yea, poor Barrichello had a really tough time driving the best cars in F1 in the most legendary team, winning races and earning millions of dollars every year lol. If that's "tough time" then sign me up for that anyday, please. ;-)

[Forzi]

Anybody who starts throwing mud after leaving the team (any team) is just a sad bitter backstabber. There's a saying that "What happens in the battlefield, stays on the battlefield".

And oh yea, poor Barrichello had a really tough time driving the best cars in F1 in the most legendary team, winning races and earning millions of dollars every year lol. If that's "tough time" then sign me up for that anyday, please. ;-)

So far haven't seen ANY mud from Felipe's side. Even in this interview he made it clear that he was understood and welcomed at Ferrari at all times. I think he knows that Ferrari did what was right, and even let him stay when he should have been replaced. Especially how they acted after/during his accident was touching. That for me is a guarantee that we wont be hearing anything bad about Ferrari from him. On another note, speaking of driver relationship, you would rarely see two drivers being friends. Was stated numerous times by many drivers. Felipe might have a grudge for Fernando, but that's between them and doesn't have anything to do with the team. Heck, most of it happened with them not being in the same team if we're talking about the crashgate. That's an issue that doesn't concern Ferrari and what this forum stands for. So i don't see any need to get touchy for everything Felipe says, calling names and so on UNLESS he says something bad about the team.

On Rubens then... I've always been a team fan and it's always "team comes first" for me. BUT even if it was a good decision to let Michael get past, it was a drivers worst nightmare. To have a win in a pocket, within arms reach and just give it a way is something to feel sorry for in my book. How can you possibly feel happy for Rubens in that situation?

[Nero Horse]

So far haven't seen ANY mud from Felipe's side. Even in this interview he made it clear that he was understood and welcomed at Ferrari at all times. I think he knows that Ferrari did what was right, and even let him stay when he should have been replaced. Especially how they acted after his accident. That for me is a guarantee that we wont be hearing anything bad about Ferrari from him.

I've always been a team fan and it's always "team comes first" for me. BUT even if it was a good decision to let Michael get past, it was a drivers worst nightmare. To have a win in a pocket, within arms reach and just give it a way is something to feel sorry for in my book. How can you possibly feel happy for Rubens in that situation?

I wasn't talking about Felipe per se, I said that ANYBODY who does start throwing mud is a sad bitter backstabber.

[Forzi]

I wasn't talking about Felipe per se, I said that ANYBODY who does start throwing mud is a sad bitter backstabber.

Some (and i note, just some) people here have started going for the backstabber card, hence my previous posts...

[Nero Horse]

Some (and i note, just some) people here have started going for the backstabber card, hence my previous posts...

Well, it's not exactly a nice thing from Felipe to talk about what Alonso did or didn't do. I'm sure that Alonso won't be too pleased with that either.

[Forzi]

Well, it's not exactly a nice thing from Felipe to talk about what Alonso did or didn't do. I'm sure that Alonso won't be too pleased with that either.
Three words in a whole interview, that were actually true and weren't even a blame of some sort or whatever. At worst case scenario can be called "not nice", i mean yeah, he said that Fernando didn't practically use the simulator at base, but it bursted a page of discussions with some calling Felipe "Rubens". Don't ya think it's a bit over-reacting?

[ManFromMilan]

Bad reporting or probably someone who's first language is not Portuguese and who is once again misunderstood in what he really meant to say.

This season really needs to start now.

[Module]

Bad reporting or probably someone who's first language is not Portuguese and who is once again misunderstood in what he really meant to say.

This season really needs to start now.


"In Williams I am being heard," Massa continued, "but that doesn't mean Ferrari didn't hear me. They listened to me very well.

"Last year I worked on the development of the car, and in the simulator I was practically the only driver, because Alonso wasn't there."


I read it as him not making a hit against Alonso but just saying he was respected at Ferrari also... He says Williams listens to him and then rectifies that Ferrari also listened as he was given mainrole in development

[brembo man]

As far as Rubens goes come on now just "Let him pass", He took orders like a true soldier. If anyone gets burnt, it hurts so you give out a cry. Remember his teamate trying to give the first place trophy to Rubens on the podium, knowing he humiliated Ferrari for the world to see. That wasn't Rubens fault, disgracing Ferrari. Both Massa and Alonso had cars that just couldn't do it. Any real Ferrari fan knows the cars not the drivers in 2013 was the problem. The cure, kick Massa out on his butt. That should fix Ferrari for 2014. Why would Massa be at all bitter, if he is bitter? New car new engine at Ferrari and he gets the boot before he could give it a try. Ferrari's way of showing gratitude to a great driver and a great person, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out ".

[Greig]

I wasn't talking about Felipe per se, I said that ANYBODY who does start throwing mud is a sad bitter backstabber.

So Alonso at McLaren then?

[shamim179]

Don't think it is appropriate for Massa to comment on Alonso or the team so soon after he left Ferrari. Maybe some of the messages here were not correctly translated or understood. The media will inevitably be curious as to how things went for Massa before he got replaced.

[Module]

Don't think it is appropriate for Massa to comment on Alonso or the team so soon after he left Ferrari. Maybe some of the messages here were not correctly translated or understood. The media will inevitably be curious as to how things went for Massa before he got replaced.

I think Massa has a problem in commenting. He is still a part of the Ferrari family but works at Williams and is a public person who has to give statements. So if somebody asks him if he likes Williams he says it's great there, but not to insult Ferrari he has to say that as in Ferrari or if he doesn't that might be seen as insulting also. Like the comment talked now, he said Williams listens to him and then probably remembered Ferrari and said that ofcourse they to as... So it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't and reporters try to find any sign of discontent with Ferrari

[Suzie]

Man gives opinion.

Backlash starts.

The End.

(With added 'As if Alonso gives two hoots')

[Giallo 550]

:lou

[shamim179]

Don't think Massa has a problem communicating. English is not his first language as with many other drivers. What I don't like is feeding unnecessary information to the media that is just going to scrutinized and twisted further. It will just tarnish his legacy at Ferrari to some extent if it spirals out of control. I don't think it will but that won't stop the media from trying again and again.

[abbottcostello]

The whole thing is rather like asking a person who's divorced then remarried to talk about the new marriage, then also while you are at it, please talk about the previous marriage, oh and don't forget to compare this one to the other & explain exactly what is it that makes this new one better than the previous one? Or was the previous one better? Could you please talk about all the different aspects, i.e. cooking, making a budget, how stylish was your partner, the social aspects, also how was their "bed manners", etc. etc. etc., when comparing them

OK, now go ahead, tell us all about... uh, no... wait... please remember & this is probably very important, try to keep the whole outlook somewhat neutral, don't want to anger any of the relatives or friends of either one of your mates, past or present, you know!
Oh don't worry, we'll translate for you, unless you prefer to answer in your non native language!

So, OK, tell us ALL about how this all has made you feel???

Now, tell me you're going to get thru that interview without hurting ANYONE'S feelings!!!

[EL_NANDO]

Maybe I don't understand the F1 simulators, but how much can computer simulations actually improve the real car on the real track? I can understand how the simulator gives the driver practice, but surely all the parameters are just guesses of how the car will behave, similar to Gran Turismo. The driver can say what feels better, ie. not enough rear grip etc. but it's not like this directly translates to an upgrade.

Massa needs to start taking responsibility for his own poor performances in actual races for the last 4 seasons rather than changing the subject to who drove a virtual car at the factory more often. I imagine he'd be moaning if Alonso spent too much time there as well, I mean shouldn't this have been an advantage for Massa?

[stefa]

in this case, i still wonder how Fernando managed to get more out of car than Felipe did...

Interesting question indeed? :-)

[Hornet]

Maybe I don't understand the F1 simulators, but how much can computer simulations actually improve the real car on the real track? I can understand how the simulator gives the driver practice, but surely all the parameters are just guesses of how the car will behave, similar to Gran Turismo. The driver can say what feels better, ie. not enough rear grip etc. but it's not like this directly translates to an upgrade.

Massa needs to start taking responsibility for his own poor performances in actual races for the last 4 seasons rather than changing the subject to who drove a virtual car at the factory more often. I imagine he'd be moaning if Alonso spent too much time there as well, I mean shouldn't this have been an advantage for Massa?

I don't think Massa is trying to compare himself against Alonso here, he was just talking about his contribution in development, how Williams listen to his feedback, and so did Ferrari. That simulator thing was probably just an example of how Ferrari trusted his abilities in giving feedback for development.

Of course, the article title focus in on that part and somehow translated the whole interview into "Alonso didn't use simulator in 2013" when Massa never said that at all. Massa was just talking about development.

[brembo man]

Interesting question indeed? :-)

Alonso is without a doubt the best driver out there then 2013 and now. So he was better than Massa at getting the most out of his car. The cars may have been equally bad but the drivers were not equal I find it hard to believe a F1 fan doesn't realize that some drivers are better than others. Just look at how great Rubens was at Ferrari, in spite of not being allowed to use his great car and skills, what with team orders at at any given moment, or just for the hell of it get pushed aside by his teamate. A good example of how all drvers are not the same. Alonso Rubens being just two of the great ones in red.

[Alonsomaniac]

So Felipe says he used the simulator at the factory more than Fernando did, Fernando used the one at home.
Both drivers were prepared well for the season, only the car couldn't do it.
That's it.
Of course some journalists will love to make more out of it.......:lou

[Forzafonz]

Well, well, Mr. Massa. What is the next thing you will reveal for us? Domenicali is not a principal of Ferrari because it was you? And you developed a car insted of Pat Fry?
It is not polite and fair Mr.Massa, it is not..

[brembo man]

Well, well, Mr. Massa. What is the next thing you will reveal for us? Domenicali is not a principal of Ferrari because it was you? And you developed a car insted of Pat Fry?
It is not polite and fair Mr.Massa, it is not..
After reading your comments to Mr Massa I come to the conclusion you never hear of the 1963 James Bond movie, " From Russia with Love! " :rotfl Give Mr Massa a break, moving after all those years can be quite stressfull, especially under short notice.

[wisepie]

Man gives opinion.

Backlash starts.

The End.

(With added 'As if Alonso gives two hoots')

Well said Suzie, reading the article properly, Felipe isn't being bitter or critical, so let's not read more into it and come to the wrong (twisted) conclusions. Off-season is nearly over, just as well, I think.

[Katu]

After reading your comments to Mr Massa I come to the conclusion you never hear of the 1963 James Bond movie, " From Russia with Love! " :rotfl Give Mr Massa a break, moving after all those years can be quite stressfull, especially under short notice.

after hearing that many years that he'll be replaced i hardly think it was short notice

[Mister eX]

I just don't think that the articles on Ferrari's website mentioning Alonso doing simulator work were referring to his home "hobby-sim"...

[brembo man]

after hearing that many years that he'll be replaced i hardly think it was short notice

Well hearing it and years kept going by is one think. The actual shoe in the butt when it happend , that was not something he knew for sure. Especially since we now know Massa was secretly the team principal and chief car designer. What a great loss indeed.

[peta_w]

Man gives opinion.

Backlash starts.

The End.

(With added 'As if Alonso gives two hoots')

Agreed, exactly the same as when Helmut Marko gives his opinion.

[Nova]

2 things..
I think every word that comes out of Massa's mouth will be construed and twisted by the journo's to create..tadaa....news...
and..Massa doesnt drive for us anymore..so.

[Hornet]

Agreed, exactly the same as when Helmut Marko gives his opinion.

Well, the difference though is that Helmet sometimes say ignorant stuff and so he rightfully gets ridicule for it :-D

[vcs316]

To this Alonso might say "Last year at the races I was practically the only driver, because Massa wasn't there."

:lou

[wisepie]

To this Alonso might say "Last year at the races I was practically the only driver, because Massa wasn't there."

:lou

That's not funny, or fair! No doubt it will amuse some people as it's quite witty, but enough of this nonsense.

[Nova]

To counter the negative thing the whatever source reported Massa saying, Id like to share something positive that he did say.

#‎Massa‬ “I have a great friendship with Michael. I saw him on a day that there was little media about. I stayed a long time by his side. It was good to be there. It looked like he was just sleeping, like anyone of us sleeps.”

“The wish is to pass him some energy as a friend. I’m really hopeful that everything will be okay and that he will wake up and recover fully,” said Massa who ‪#‎Schumacher‬ referred to as his ‘‪#‎younger_brother‬’ while they were teammates at Ferrari in 2006.

“I am informed every day about his progress, and I continue to pray as I have since the day of his accident,”