2014 engine sound.

[1nfern0]

I have to say the sound of the 2014 engines are a little disappointing, no ear plugs are required at all any more. After FP1 yesterday the V8 Super Cars came out and they seemed louder than the F1 cars. A 2011 RedBull also did a few promo laps yesterday which was a good comparison to show the difference in sound to the V8 and the V6. We were sitting on the far side of the track and we couldnt hear the F1 until they were a few corners away. You could hear the V8 Super Cars going all around the track and the same with the 2011 F1 car. I'm not sure how noticeable this is on TV but it just dosent sound like F1 anymore when your there in person. Now the engines are quiter you can hear all these other nosies from the cars. For FP2 I was on the outside of turn 2. You could clearly hear the cars sliding and hear them hitting the rummble strips on the out side of the corner. All the engine except the Ferrari also have a loud whistling notice as the go past, gets a little anoying after a while. The old engines were deffinitly better.

[stefa]

I have to say the sound of the 2014 engines are a little disappointing, no ear plugs are required at all any more. After FP1 yesterday the V8 Super Cars came out and they seemed louder than the F1 cars. A 2011 RedBull also did a few promo laps yesterday which was a good comparison to show the difference in sound to the V8 and the V6. We were sitting on the far side of the track and we couldnt hear the F1 until they were a few corners away. You could hear the V8 Super Cars going all around the track and the same with the 2011 F1 car. I'm not sure how noticeable this is on TV but it just dosent sound like F1 anymore when your there in person. Now the engines are quiter you can hear all these other nosies from the cars. For FP2 I was on the outside of turn 2. You could clearly hear the cars sliding and hear them hitting the rummble strips on the out side of the corner. All the engine except the Ferrari also have a loud whistling notice as the go past, gets a little anoying after a while. The old engines were deffinitly better.

A little bit?!?!?? It is HUGE disappointment!!! Cars sound like some touring car! AWFUL!

[radosav]

A little bit?!?!?? It is HUGE disappointment!!! Cars sound like some touring car! AWFUL!

They are awful ! Actually , to me they sound like MotoGP.

[Hornet]

It's so bad we can actually hear the tires sound on TV!

It's a huge loss to not have that loud, sharp piercing sound anymore. I think they were misguided in their pursue to promote green efficiency or whatever they call it. F1 is an expensive sport, tickets are not cheap. It has to be spectacular to attract fans and justify the cost it takes for fans to attend a race. This is certainly bad for the sport.

[anakin]

I share your opinion guys.
doesn't sound like an F1 anymore. It sound artificial. even on acceleration.
I wonder how they will sound at the start of the grid. Im sure they will sound funny.

[Sab_g]

I was at the track yesterday and I don't think they sound too bad live, each engine sounds unique. Obviously they've got nothing on the n/a enigines, and listening in to various conversations people were having I think the fia has misjudged the appeal the noise had for the fans

[SS454]

To me these sound like enduro cars now. F1 cars should be loud. I loved being at the race track and having 18,000 rpm scream by you. V10s were even better than the V8s.

[Nero Horse]

I'm sure that at some point F1 will go back to V8's or even V10's, right now they just have to stick with the V6 turbo because of all the money, effort and development all the manufacturers have put in to get these power units working. But I think that by 2020, F1 will be back to using N/A engines again.
In my opinion these turbo engines don't sound that bad actually, they're just a little too quiet, but the sound itself is pretty good.

[Nick Singer]

Planning to park my diesel by the window and listen to that with TV turned down for better engine noise..

[Suzie]

I miss the screaming noise, but to take some positives, I love being able to hear the tyres screeching and the crowd better.

[voiko]

HATE the new engine noises.. or lack thereof

[wisepie]

I miss the screaming noise, but to take some positives, I love being able to hear the tyres screeching and the crowd better.
Agreed, Suzie, but I have to side with Hornet, all these changes will possibly damage the Formula 1 product by being too restrictive and eco-friendly. I'm sure costs will have escalated rather than decreased, too.

[vcs316]

Hate it completely! Even the onboard sounds like a gentle humming...

[Rob]

Get used to it, at first didnt like the diesel engine noise of the Audi R10, now with time with the R18, they sound amazing. Thats how its going to be with the new V6 Turbos, its the way the world is going.

[Katu]

I miss the screaming noise, but to take some positives, I love being able to hear the tyres screeching and the crowd better.

i can only agree with you, tyres screetching was totally new experience for me this morning

[Katu]

I miss the screaming noise, but to take some positives, I love being able to hear the tyres screeching and the crowd better.

i can only agree with you, tyres screetching was totally new experience for me this morning

[The Architect]

I could barely hear a thing, it just completely ruined the atmosphere. The only thing I can hear is the endless drone from the exhaust pipes of the commentators, which is not welcome.

I hate it so far. Maybe they need to attach microphones to the cars.

[Hornet]

I could barely hear a thing, it just completely ruined the atmosphere. The only thing I can hear is the endless drone from the exhaust pipes of the commentators, which is not welcome.

I hate it so far. Maybe they need to attach microphones to the cars.

LOL, that's true. Here where I live, our channel uses Skysports broadcast, and the commentator's voice are drowning out the engine sound. They need to balance out the sound on TV, tune up the track sound.

[dpiatto]

So glad I was at the Monza race in 95 & got to hear the Ferrari V12.
For me its been down hill ever since with the demise to V10'S then V8's & now ending up here is what was expected.
Maybe there getting us used to the idea of an all electric series in the foreseeable future.

[Jas]

hate it....u know its bad when u can here it over the commentators and they also need to say "lets have a listen"...wouldn't be surprised sooner or later microphones getting placed next to the exhaust for the tv audience haha

[giodap]

So glad I was at the Monza race in 95 & got to hear the Ferrari V12.
For me its been down hill ever since with the demise to V10'S then V8's & now ending up here is what was expected.
Maybe there getting us used to the idea of an all electric series in the foreseeable future.


im very jealous. ive only ever heard the v8s. were the v12's really that much louder?

[F1Jan]

I miss the screaming noise, but to take some positives, I love being able to hear the tyres screeching and the crowd better.

Me too I heard it for the first time today and I was really disappointed but at least you can hear the errors and the crowd - I am clutching at straws now - sound like sunday afternoon lawn mowers :-?? But never mind great start to the season excited that the F1 Circus is here again.

[mirafiori]

im very jealous. ive only ever heard the v8s. were the v12's really that much louder?

Oh yes.:thumb

[Nero Horse]

im very jealous. ive only ever heard the v8s. were the v12's really that much louder?

Turn your speakers up and ENJOY this symphony ;-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1InrgZiv30

[FerrariF60]

I'm sure that at some point F1 will go back to V8's or even V10's, right now they just have to stick with the V6 turbo because of all the money, effort and development all the manufacturers have put in to get these power units working. But I think that by 2020, F1 will be back to using N/A engines again.
In my opinion these turbo engines don't sound that bad actually, they're just a little too quiet, but the sound itself is pretty good.
for
i for one think that by 2020 F1 will be running on full hybrid or electric engines....NO GASOLINE....mark my words, it's already starting going that way....V6 for now then b4 you know it will be 4 bangers......and so on and so forth...

F1 as we all used to know it....(at least me, i remember the KOOL old V10's....back when i first went to to my first F1 in Monteral 2004 when Schumi WON that race....man those engines sounded so AWESOME....THOSE WERE THE DAYS....) is on a FAST donwslope and b4 we know it it will be electric cars running in F1....that's when i'll QUIT watching F1 allogether...

AMEN!!!!

[FerrariF60]

Planning to park my diesel by the window and listen to that with TV turned down for better engine noise..


.....LOLOLOLOL.....i like your idea; they can say all they want, the sound of TRUE F1 cars will never be teh same with these crappy V6's...they should have at least made them TWIN TURBO....that way they'd be a little louder.....

but like the OLD saying....THERE'S NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT...these 1.6L truly $%&#

[Nero Horse]

for
i for one think that by 2020 F1 will be running on full hybrid or electric engines....NO GASOLINE....mark my words, it's already starting going that way....V6 for now then b4 you know it will be 4 bangers......and so on and so forth...

I'm pretty sure that they're (FIA) not going to be that stupid and crazy to ever try that. Because then the demise of F1 is 100% guaranteed, no one...and I mean absolutely NO ONE, is going to want to watch those races anymore, let alone buy a ticket to go see that pathetic farce live trackside. And also, if F1 would start using electric engines then Ferrari would most certainly leave F1, and that's something that the FIA will never want to happen.
If the ticket sales and TV audience numbers plummet to a new low, then the FIA will have no other choice but to bring back the big naturally aspirated engines...at least that's what I'm hoping for, cause it's quite obvious that nobody is happy with the current F1.

[stratos]

Sound was disappointing to be honest..
Im not even going to support our local F1 race this
year...
Hopefully more people do this and they realise that the sound
had a big part in driving us all...
No sound no enjoyment Im afraid....
OMG I really do sound depressed.....

Good luck to Ferrari on Sunday

[458 Italia]

How I miss the V10s!!!!

I think I'll have to watch the races this year with the sound on mute!

[Hornet]

for
i for one think that by 2020 F1 will be running on full hybrid or electric engines....NO GASOLINE....mark my words, it's already starting going that way....V6 for now then b4 you know it will be 4 bangers......and so on and so forth...

F1 as we all used to know it....(at least me, i remember the KOOL old V10's....back when i first went to to my first F1 in Monteral 2004 when Schumi WON that race....man those engines sounded so AWESOME....THOSE WERE THE DAYS....) is on a FAST donwslope and b4 we know it it will be electric cars running in F1....that's when i'll QUIT watching F1 allogether...

AMEN!!!!

We were so close to having a 4 cylinder engine I think Ferrari even had an engine code name for the project they started for that engine. It took the collective protest by race organizers to finally get a compromise the V6.

People should voice their dissatisfaction, track organizers and TV network should voice their dissatisfaction to keep the FIA in line sometimes. Very strange minds in the FIA.

[Kyss4k]

Sound? What sound? :-??

[The Architect]

The race sounds even worse. A bizarre low din more akin to the growl an empty stomach may make.

[ManFromMilan]

I really liked the sound of the Ferrari engine in testing, but after today's race i have to agree that F1 has lost out with these new engines.

It is good to hear the crowds and the tyre screeching when someone makes a mistake and locks up, but it just sounds too calm.

[RED]

Yes, it is such a disappointment. I really hope it won't come to this in the future!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqIsFbdLJ7k

[stefa]

Yes, it is such a disappointment. I really hope it won't come to this in the future!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqIsFbdLJ7k

Awful! Like a very strong hair dryer!

[ManFromMilan]

Awful! Like a very strong hair dryer!




Sounds more like a mobility scooter to me

[stefa]

Turn your speakers up and ENJOY this symphony ;-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1InrgZiv30

Had privilege to hear it live at my first F1 race back in 1995 at Hungaroring. What to say... Symphony, compared to overpowered hair dryers today

[Alessandra]

No idea where to put this but engine sound seem to relate to radio sound at the moment.
If you can get on to BBC Radio 4 you can hear Murray Walker doing his 'Desert Island' discs!

I've already cried my way through 'The Chain' anad "F1 the distillation of human life " (or words to that effect)

Enjoy!!:-D

[stefa]

Speaking about new turbo engine sound, I cannot remember why on the first place FIA exchanged NA V8 engines with Turbo V6? What was the main reason to go this way?

[Hornet]

Speaking about new turbo engine sound, I cannot remember why on the first place FIA exchanged NA V8 engines with Turbo V6? What was the main reason to go this way?

It's part of the whole efficiency environmental friendly thing. They want to reduce the engine capacity to consume lesser fuel while finding ways to better utilize the energy burned through ERS and turbo. Turbo turns the energy in exhaust gas to useful energy, so it helps increase engine efficiency.

The original plan was twin turbo 4 cylinder engine. Luckily track organizers threaten to not host races if they went ahead with the plan, and they compromise with a single turbo V6 instead.

[stefa]

It's part of the whole efficiency environmental friendly thing. They want to reduce the engine capacity to consume lesser fuel while finding ways to better utilize the energy burned through ERS and turbo. Turbo turns the energy in exhaust gas to useful energy, so it helps increase engine efficiency.

The original plan was twin turbo 4 cylinder engine. Luckily track organizers threaten to not host races if they went ahead with the plan, and they compromise with a single turbo V6 instead.

Thank you for explanation.

Next thing, to be more environment friendly, give them bicycles and have a healthy race!

[hogo]

They are awful ! Actually , to me they sound like MotoGP.

this. But I bet it's even worse when you are there on a track. Hundreds of millions have been wasted on these new power units, FIA is happy.

[steelstallions]

IMO IT WAS RUBBISH: Like a whole grid of vuvuzela's. The only engine noise satisfaction was the sound of the freaking safety car, IT sounded more of an F1 car than the F1 cars behind it. Muted engine noise, so quiet you could hear the tyres squeal. Didn't like it and got fed up of hearing about conserving fuel, harvesting electric yawn yawn.

[Sonic Feathers]

The sound is pukey.
Sure sound is not the only thing in F1 that makes F1, F1. But the 1600 turbo is not the sound which should come from the 'Pinnacle of Motorsports'

[hogo]

It's part of the whole efficiency environmental friendly thing. They want to reduce the engine capacity to consume lesser fuel while finding ways to better utilize the energy burned through ERS and turbo. Turbo turns the energy in exhaust gas to useful energy, so it helps increase engine efficiency.

The original plan was twin turbo 4 cylinder engine. Luckily track organizers threaten to not host races if they went ahead with the plan, and they compromise with a single turbo V6 instead.
Also FIA was hoping that VW will join the sport thats why they did it.

[brava]

Terrible sound, completely underwhelming!!!

some annoying buzz, that's all I hear.

[shamim179]

The sound can be improved if the sound technicians at the broadcasting studio play around with the settings. It is also about using suitable microphones that record as accurately as possible the actual sounds that are coming out of the cars. This might mean simply adjusting the audio recording settings to focus more on emphasizing the sound of the F1 cars as opposed to other sounds emanating from the surrounding environment. I noticed a big difference in the sound of the cars at pre-testing and in Australia. The sound hasn't actually changed as such but how it has been recorded and played back has. The FOM needs to address this and come to a solution as the sound is part of the F1 experience.

[karvyin12]

Very disappointed. With onboard shots, it sounds like Moto2 or like a touring car. God, scared of next regulations. F1 will be a strong competitor with Formula E!!!
FIA, Pls make some changes in the regulations so that the teams can play some good sound bits from the old V10s or V8s atleast.

[dpiatto]

im very jealous. ive only ever heard the v8s. were the v12's really that much louder?

Dude, all I can say is that sound will never be replicated.
It wasn't so much on the emphasis of loudness just go onto youtube a listen for yourself.

[dpiatto]

Had privilege to hear it live at my first F1 race back in 1995 at Hungaroring. What to say... Symphony, compared to overpowered hair dryers today

Was at Monza in 95.
Even the Hill fans there with their union jacks were seduced by the sound of the Ferrari V12
It was all set for an Alesi & Berger 1,2 that day after Hill and Schuey crashed out but it was denied in the final stages of the race.
Alesi's onboard camera flew off taking out the front suspension of the following Ferrari of Berger then a few laps later wheel bearing failure on the leading Alesi.
Absolutely gutted would be an understatement to see Jonny Herbert take the win that day.

[kingu]

mark my words, Uncle Bernie will force the engine sound to be artificially boosted soon

[stefa]

Was at Monza in 95.
Even the Hill fans there with their union jacks were seduced by the sound of the Ferrari V12
It was all set for an Alesi & Berger 1,2 that day after Hill and Schuey crashed out but it was denied in the final stages of the race.
Alesi's onboard camera flew off taking out the front suspension of the following Ferrari of Berger then a few laps later wheel bearing failure on the leading Alesi.
Absolutely gutted would be an understatement to see Jonny Herbert take the win that day.

Don't remind me of that terrible race... It was all set for Ferrari 1-2 with the PRETTIEST Ferrari formula 1 car EVER... When sheer bad luck hit us HEAVILY!!!

[Gerard]

I have only ever watched F1 on TV. The loudest sport on earth is no more and it was so for as long as I can remember. As for hybrid power - A lot of petrolheads will quietly migrate to watching other forms of motorsport and a small number of greenies will start following F1. The package is disappointing.

The WRC coverage of the Mexican rally makes me sorry I missed Monte Carlo and the rally in Scandinavia and the V8 Supercar series has started!

[Hornet]

Dude, all I can say is that sound will never be replicated.
It wasn't so much on the emphasis of loudness just go onto youtube a listen for yourself.

I went to youtube to listen to the V12 Ferrari, and wow, not only it's uniquely F1, it's uniquely Ferrari V12. Could tell a difference even when compared to V10.
V8 pales in comparison. No words to describe V6:-ZZ

[ferrari1.8t]

Aus organisers claim breach of contract

For the first time this past weekend, fans listened to the new-look Formula One and its quieter 1.6-litre turbocharged V6 engines.

And although the on-track action was worth watching, that didn't stop some from taking to social media to voice their complaints about the sound.

One person who is not happy is Australian GP chairman Ron Walker while Australian Grand Prix Corporation chief executive Andrew Westacott says it could even be deemed a breach of contract.

"One aspect of it was just a little bit duller than it's ever been before and that's part of the mix and the chemistry that they're going to have to get right," Westacott told Fairfax Radio on Monday.

"Ron spoke to (Ecclestone) after the race and said the fans don't like it in the venue.

"We pay for a product, we've got contracts in place, we are looking at those very, very seriously because we reckon there has probably been some breaches."

Source: http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/9218290/Aus-organisers-claim-breach-of-contract

[Nova]

The thrill is gone, the shrill is gone. My opinion is I dont like the way F1 is headed. Who is the fia trying to please? Im not sure on that one. The sound IS part of the experience, and a big one at that. Sure Im excited at the start of the season, but was there any real excitement watching the procession? Listening to the engines? Hearing the drivers who didnt finish on the podium complain about this or that?

So we have ugly cars (dont deny it) that make very little unpleasant engine noise going around a track saving fuel and tires. F1 what! I remember in 86, I was a tad upset about the fuel regs, Ferrari couldnt seem to get it right, and I simply couldnt understand why Formula 1 needed to save anything. So I took a break from F1 and followed Lemans endurance racing. Oh, I still read the race reviews and whatnot. Then lo n behold, 1989 and return of non-fuel regulated V12's..Oh happy day. All of that was going great until things started changing again in 09, things got better for awhile, now we have this. So me thinks it may be time to take another break. The 458's in enduro series are sounding fantastic and better yet, they look breathtaking..they even win every so often which makes it better yet. Its full blown racing with pedal to the metal. Lemans? Flatout for 24 hours. Sebring 12 is coming up, I'll watch unless I go. That way, I can still hear a Ferrari V8 engine sound the way God intended Ferrari's to sound.
To make a short answer long..NO, I vote no on the engine sound, or lack thereof.

[stratos]

Well said Nova

They, the powers that be have got it completely wrong....
The sound brought out the chaos and mayhem that F1 stands for...
Being at a race track with a F1 car on track makes the hairs on your neck stand up....
Now with 22 vaccuum cleaner grasshopper sounding engines the thrill has been taken away....
People are saying...
"Oh its much better, now you can at least have a conversation with the person next to you...."
Well if you want to have a conversation then stay at home...

Just have a listen to this comparison between 2013 and 2014 Aus GP
Im afraid the zest just aint there...

http://youtu.be/jS4Dh_EAfJI

Hopefully it can be rectified by the powers that be....

[stefa]

Well said Nova

They, the powers that be have got it completely wrong....
The sound brought out the chaos and mayhem that F1 stands for...
Being at a race track with a F1 car on track makes the hairs on your neck stand up....
Now with 22 vaccuum cleaner grasshopper sounding engines the thrill has been taken away....
People are saying...
"Oh its much better, now you can at least have a conversation with the person next to you...."
Well if you want to have a conversation then stay at home...

Just have a listen to this comparison between 2013 and 2014 Aus GP
Im afraid the zest just aint there...

http://youtu.be/jS4Dh_EAfJI

Hopefully it can be rectified by the powers that be....

Sound is AWFUL! I don't think I will go this year to Hungaroring....

[tezca]

I am canceling my tickets/ trips to Barcelona and Silverstone. This simply not worth it.

[Redmist]

I went to youtube to listen to the V12 Ferrari, and wow, not only it's uniquely F1, it's uniquely Ferrari V12. Could tell a difference even when compared to V10.
V8 pales in comparison. No words to describe V6:-ZZ

I remember going to my first live F1 race and it was Adelaide 92. The V12 Ferrari sound driven by Jean Alesi was amazing to say the least. Even when after the start when the Ferrari was mixed with the whole field, you could hear the engine noise over and above the rest. I even enjoyed the sound of the V10's and V8's live. Although I never went to Melbourne this year, the engine lack of sound both on board and on track is extremely disappointing. Even Bernie is not happy.
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12515/9219811/bernie-ecclestone-horrified-by-lack-of-sound-from-the-2014-f1-cars-at-australian-gp

[stefa]

Few days now after first race, and after I have collected my thoughts about it, I must admit that I am not thrilled at all. Never mind below average start of the season for Ferrari, I have HUGE disappointment in F1! This is just not F1 what I remember, and what I like!

[hogo]

They will definitely try to do something about the sound else F1 won't survive very long. I predict some solutions regarding exhaust systems.

[Kiwi Nick]

My American comrades will know what I mean when I say they might consider putting baseball cards in the spokes. That could add a few DB.

[shamim179]

The sound is certainly different but after a while you get used to it. At first I didn't it like it that much and I'm talking about the race and not the pre-testing as the audio playback there was better. All this talk about changing the rules to alter the engines to produce better sound is nonsense. It's completely unnecessary. All you need to do is get some clever sound engineers to do some work here. I think the main problem is gain. So increase the gain so that the recorded engine sound is louder but somehow keep the non F1 car audio the same. Of course, this will not change how the cars actually sound to spectators as it only addresses how it sounds for viewers at home.

[stratos]

blah blah blah....spat spat spat.......
Thats what it sounds like to me....
No mayhem and chaos that you normally get at the races....
Simply just the feeling of serenity and calm.... A relaxing and tranquil day....Ahhhhh
Im afraid that is not what F1 is about

So you're proposal is to have the sound altered for TV audiences BUT not physically at the race track or on the car itself?
That is not the right proposal........
Im afraid that is just not what the majority of fans want to hear who are physically there watching.....
Rethink please and forward your idea directly to the FIA on +1 865 266 0000
Hotline is open I presume as LDM has had many emails recently......

[Hornet]

The sound is certainly different but after a while you get used to it. At first I didn't it like it that much and I'm talking about the race and not the pre-testing as the audio playback there was better. All this talk about changing the rules to alter the engines to produce better sound is nonsense. It's completely unnecessary. All you need to do is get some clever sound engineers to do some work here. I think the main problem is gain. So increase the gain so that the recorded engine sound is louder but somehow keep the non F1 car audio the same. Of course, this will not change how the cars actually sound to spectators as it only addresses how it sounds for viewers at home.
You can't manipulate the sound level to the live spectator at the track, and the sound is missing to them as well. Go to larger open areas such as Sepang and it will sound even softer.

I would say it is a bigger concern to the track audience because if the audience no longer feel the experience is spectacular, many may think twice before spending money attending races in the future. Sure we will still have the hardcore fans, but they are not enough to fill the seats. This is why Albert Park operator raised this issue directly to Bernie himself. They wouldn't do that if there wasn't a real concern of losing fans.

[stefa]

You can't manipulate the sound level to the live spectator at the track, and the sound is missing to them as well. Go to larger open areas such as Sepang and it will sound even softer.

I would say it is a bigger concern to the track audience because if the audience no longer feel the experience is spectacular, many may think twice before spending money attending races in the future. Sure we will still have the hardcore fans, but they are not enough to fill the seats. This is why Albert Park operator raised this issue directly to Bernie himself. They wouldn't do that if there wasn't a real concern of losing fans.

It is not that they will die because of it, but they lost me! After 19 years in a row, I am not going, 20th anniversary, time at Hungaroring later this year!

[Nero Horse]

It is not that they will die because of it, but they lost me! After 19 years in a row, I am not going, 20th anniversary, time at Hungaroring later this year!

If it's the 20th anniversary then I would definitely recommend you to go. I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you didn't go to Hungaroring in the previous years just for the sound, you went there to support Ferrari...isn't that so?

[shamim179]

It is not that they will die because of it, but they lost me! After 19 years in a row, I am not going, 20th anniversary, time at Hungaroring later this year!

What if Ferrari win? You'll be kicking yourself for not going!

[shamim179]

You can't manipulate the sound level to the live spectator at the track, and the sound is missing to them as well. Go to larger open areas such as Sepang and it will sound even softer.

I would say it is a bigger concern to the track audience because if the audience no longer feel the experience is spectacular, many may think twice before spending money attending races in the future. Sure we will still have the hardcore fans, but they are not enough to fill the seats. This is why Albert Park operator raised this issue directly to Bernie himself. They wouldn't do that if there wasn't a real concern of losing fans.

It's definitely a concern but I think people need to slowly adapt to the existing and upcoming new technologies. This is the future. It's very unlikely that we'll still be using fossil fuels many years from now not just because of a depletion of resources but because there will be better and more efficient technologies available. I suspect the old school fans who have had greater exposure to louder engine noises and at a higher pitch will have more difficulty than say new or emerging fans.

[stefa]

If it's the 20th anniversary then I would definitely recommend you to go. I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you didn't go to Hungaroring in the previous years just for the sound, you went there to support Ferrari...isn't that so?

Yes you are right. I was not going all these years because of the sound, but because of the Formula 1 and Ferrari. Aside my disappointment because of sound and what Formula 1 has become nowadays, my flight to summer vacation with family in Crete is on 27th of July very early in the morning. Unfortunately it was decided much earlier before I have heard new sound of new Formula 1 that I am not going to Hungaroring this year.
But instead of 20th anniversary time at Hungaroring, there is a great chance that I'll be going to Abu Dhabi GP for the very first time. And that would be a great milestone for me, and a great consolidation of not going for the 20th time at Hungaroring!

[stefa]

What if Ferrari win? You'll be kicking yourself for not going!

What if Ferrari wins?! I'll be glad that Ferrari won, and I'll be sorry for not being on the track to celebrate that win there. I'll celebrate it from the beach at Creta :-).
Any way, for the past 19 years I didn't have so much pleasure to enjoy Ferrari wins at Hungaroring.

2013 Lewis Hamilton – Mercedes*
2012 Lewis Hamilton – McLaren-Mercedes*
2011 Jenson Button – McLaren-Mercedes
2010 Mark Webber – Red Bull-Renault
2009 Lewis Hamilton – McLaren-Mercedes
2008 Heikki Kovalainen – McLaren-Mercedes
2007 Lewis Hamilton – McLaren-Mercedes *
2006 Jenson Button – Honda
2005 Kimi Räikkönen – McLaren-Mercedes
2004 Michael Schumacher – Ferrari *
2003 Fernando Alonso – Renault *
2002 Rubens Barrichello – Ferrari *
2001 Michael Schumacher – Ferrari *
2000 Mika Häkkinen – McLaren-Mercedes
1999 Mika Häkkinen – McLaren-Mercedes *
1998 Michael Schumacher – Ferrari
1997 Jacques Villeneuve – Williams-Renault
1996 Jacques Villeneuve – Williams-Renault
1995 Damon Hill – Williams-Renault *
1994 Michael Schumacher – Benetton-Ford *

This is only just 21.05%, not such a big percentage of Ferrari wins... Last one I saw was 9 years ago.....

[Nero Horse]

Yes you are right. I was not going all these years because of the sound, but because of the Formula 1 and Ferrari. Aside my disappointment because of sound and what Formula 1 has become nowadays, my flight to summer vacation with family in Crete is on 27th of July very early in the morning. Unfortunately this year was decided much earlier before I have heard new sound of new Formula 1 that I am not going to Hungaroring this year.
But instead of 20th anniversary time at Hungaroring, there is a great chance that I'll be going to Abu Dhabi GP for the very first time. And that would be a great milestone for me too, and a great consolidation of not going for the 20th time at Hungaroring!

Oh I see, well then I certainly hope that you'll get to go to Abu Dhabi and hopefully have a chance to witness Ferrari winning both titles there. :-)

[stefa]

Oh I see, well then I certainly hope that you'll get to go to Abu Dhabi and hopefully have a chance to witness Ferrari winning both titles there. :-)

Thank you. I also hope that I'll go there and witness Ferrari taking both titles. Boy that would be something to remember for life!
I did have such experience, to witness Ferrari win and clinch of titles. Hungaroring 2004. Ufffff.... Those were the times....

[RED]

I knew there was a lot of difference but I didn't realise it was this much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4Dh_EAfJI

[REDARMYSOJA]

What they sound like to me...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_EsxukdNXM

[stratos]

Wow that is exactly the same sound as the Aus 2014 Gp...
Bunch of constipated cows being chased by horny donkeys....

Unbelievable....
They need to do something soon or the viewer numbers are going to fall...
It's ridiculous...

[Senna4Ever]

some days ago when we talked about consumption and the rumours about Merc magic engine I asked if they might have advantage from their series street cars ....

Toto Wolff

"We are a few weeks long made ​​no progress in the cooling system," said Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff against the 'Sports Week'. "Then we have faced the experts from the factory in Sindelfingen with it. And they totally have quickly found a solution through their experiences from the series."

[SilverSpeed]

Heard Formula 3 car's today and they sounded better and louder then the Formula 1 car's.

Sad sad times we live in now.

[Winter]

Why, oh why I had to wait until this year to go to my first GP!! I'm a BIT angry to myself for not going before!
I knew that turbo engine is less noisy than naturally aspirated, but this kind of difference was really bad suprise.

It is not so big deal when watching it from TV, but when watching it live it really is.. Every people I know who has
been on GP, always says first how impessive that sound of an F1 is and now that's gone.

From other motosports I know that the noise of the cars is very big part of that right atmosphere.
These mute cars must have an effect to ticket sales as well. How long people will go to races just because it's F1, if there's
nothing spectacular in it anymore? There already are more exciting racing in other series..

Offcourse the noise isn't everything, but this was big leap to wrong direction.

[Winter]

They will definitely try to do something about the sound else F1 won't survive very long. I predict some solutions regarding exhaust systems.

I'm not saying that it's impossible, but with T-charger and 1.6l engine it's not going to be easy to make them sound like F1 should.

[bondilad]

Why, oh why I had to wait until this year to go to my first GP!! I'm a BIT angry to myself for not going before!
I knew that turbo engine is less noisy than naturally aspirated, but this kind of difference was really bad suprise.

It is not so big deal when watching it from TV, but when watching it live it really is.. Every people I know who has
been on GP, always says first how impessive that sound of an F1 is and now that's gone.

From other motosports I know that the noise of the cars is very big part of that right atmosphere.
These mute cars must have an effect to ticket sales as well. How long people will go to races just because it's F1, if there's
nothing spectacular in it anymore? There already are more exciting racing in other series..

Offcourse the noise isn't everything, but this was big leap to wrong direction.

For the same reason I decided to go to shanghai last year and watch my first GP. The noise was way louder than I ever imagined. To make my trip even more memorable we all know who won that race;-)

bought tickets again this year so I'll soon find out how bad they sound.

[Winter]

For the same reason I decided to go to shanghai last year and watch my first GP. The noise was way louder than I ever imagined. To make my trip even more memorable we all know who won that race;-)

bought tickets again this year so I'll soon find out how bad they sound.

Nice timing for your first one then :-)

[Tony]

Why, oh why I had to wait until this year to go to my first GP!! I'm a BIT angry to myself for not going before!
I knew that turbo engine is less noisy than naturally aspirated, but this kind of difference was really bad suprise.

It is not so big deal when watching it from TV, but when watching it live it really is.. Every people I know who has
been on GP, always says first how impessive that sound of an F1 is and now that's gone.

From other motosports I know that the noise of the cars is very big part of that right atmosphere.
These mute cars must have an effect to ticket sales as well. How long people will go to races just because it's F1, if there's
nothing spectacular in it anymore? There already are more exciting racing in other series..

Offcourse the noise isn't everything, but this was big leap to wrong direction.

I wouldn't worry about the noise too much, I've been to about 15 races in my life and most of the time you have to wear ear plugs anyway or risk damaging your hearing... I tried once to last just one lap without them and had to plug my ears after 30 seconds... If this quieter F1 means you can listen without ear plugs, maybe it wont be so bad?

For me the beauty was in seeing the cars, the shapes and liveries are just so much nicer in person, you can't appreciate them as much from the tv feed....

That's just my experience anyway :)

[Tifoso]

I wouldn't worry about the noise too much, I've been to about 15 races in my life and most of the time you have to wear ear plugs anyway or risk damaging your hearing... I tried once to last just one lap without them and had to plug my ears after 30 seconds... If this quieter F1 means you can listen without ear plugs, maybe it wont be so bad?

For me the beauty was in seeing the cars, the shapes and liveries are just so much nicer in person, you can't appreciate them as much from the tv feed....

That's just my experience anyway :)


And mine. Minus 14 races :oops

[Winter]

I wouldn't worry about the noise too much, I've been to about 15 races in my life and most of the time you have to wear ear plugs anyway or risk damaging your hearing... I tried once to last just one lap without them and had to plug my ears after 30 seconds... If this quieter F1 means you can listen without ear plugs, maybe it wont be so bad?

For me the beauty was in seeing the cars, the shapes and liveries are just so much nicer in person, you can't appreciate them as much from the tv feed....

That's just my experience anyway :)

Offcourse I'm still happy to go and get to see action in live, but what you just descripted......if I only once could have experienced that:-??
But still, can't wait for 27th of july :wave

[stefa]

Offcourse I'm still happy to go and get to see action in live, but what you just descripted......if I only once could have experienced that:-??
But still, can't wait for 27th of july :wave

Hungaroring than! There a couple of places from where you can see a huge part of a track! I've been than, as you can saw from my posts above every year since 1995. Unfortunately this year I'll miss it because on that same day I am flying with my family to Crete. So I'll be watching first Hungaroring in 20 years on a TV broadcast :-)

[Winter]

Hungaroring than! There a couple of places from where you can see a huge part of a track! I've been than, as you can saw from my posts above every year since 1995. Unfortunately this year I'll miss it because on that same day I am flying with my family to Crete. So I'll be watching first Hungaroring in 20 years on a TV broadcast :-)

Yes, Hungaroring it is. I've already bought tickets to gold4, I even added special request to get the seat at left side to get a good view to the first corner.

Wow, 19 times, you really must like it there! Someday I'd like to be in a position when watching some GP from TV is a change :-)

What do you think about my seat? I toke it because I tought it's the place to see some overtakes.
There's room in my PM too, if you want to share some pointers from your experience ;-)

And have a happy hiatus in Crete 8-)

[aroutis]

Had privilege to hear it live at my first F1 race back in 1995 at Hungaroring. What to say... Symphony, compared to overpowered hair dryers today

It always gives me the shivers when I hear this sound. And then I listen to the new engines.

I don't really care bout 'the way the world goes' and all that jazz, sorry. I've been watching F1 since I was like 8. I remember V12, I remember V10. This is just not F1 anymore.

[liezelB]

Well, we can tell the difference when we hear the sound of the engine. We can tell if there is a malfunction or a problem with the engine by hearing the sound.

[Nero Horse]

Australian Grand Prix promoter Ron Walker says other races are likely to walk away from F1 as a result of the “disgrace” that is the sound of the new engines.

The new F1 season kicked off in Australia a little over a week ago, with the 1.6-litre V6 turbo engines being heard in a race situation for the first time. While the new power units are much quieter than their predecessors – the high-pitched V8s – they also deliver a number of new sounds. However, Walker – who is also the chairman of the Formula One Promoters' Association – believes the new engine sound “is a disgrace” which will force promoters to look to other series in order to keep fans happy.

“The sound is a disgrace,” Walker told The Independent. “When the car comes down the straight you can't even hear it. Now you have got every promoter worried that it's going to turn fans away. You will find promoters dropping out. They will go and get an IndyCar race or something like that to keep the fans.”

Walker also warned that Bernie Ecclestone could himself face a backlash from the race promoters, saying: “There will be a meeting of all of the promoters and you will find that an enormous voice will come out of that... to say 'Bernie, enough is enough. This is not what we bought.'”

However, despite the threat to Ecclestone, Walker made clear that he blames FIA president Jean Todt for what he believes is a move that “will ruin the sport that Bernie built” as negotiations over a new Australian Grand Prix deal continue.

“We haven't signed a new contract with Bernie, so this is going to put a lot of pressure on the FIA. It doesn't have the right to destroy this sport. It will ruin the sport that Bernie built over this. Out of any single problem, this is the one that will kill the golden goose. It is hard enough to sell tickets now but this is arrogance at the worst from Jean Todt.”

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/201463/1/promoters-will-walk-away-over-sound-disgrace.html

[Ree]

Few days now after first race, and after I have collected my thoughts about it, I must admit that I am not thrilled at all. Never mind below average start of the season for Ferrari, I have HUGE disappointment in F1! This is just not F1 what I remember, and what I like!

^ This :-(

I'm really disappointed with the sound, or rather lack of. For me it seems to make the cars look slower... I felt like I was watching electric GP2 cars with the sound turned down. I've watched F1 for over 30 years and have never been so underwhelmed with it as I am now. I hope they do something to improve things for TV viewers and those at the track.

[stefa]

^ This :-(

I'm really disappointed with the sound, or rather lack of. For me it seems to make the cars look slower... I felt like I was watching electric GP2 cars with the sound turned down. I've watched F1 for over 30 years and have never been so underwhelmed with it as I am now. I hope they do something to improve things for TV viewers and those at the track.

Exactly my thoughts! Especially one saying that cars looks slower because of lack of sound!

[Ree]

Yh to some extent I think its a "sensory illusion" but nonetheless it's taken alot away from the F1 spectacle. I watch horse racing during the winter and the noise of a group of horses hooves slamming onto the grass seems to create more noise than this years cars... disappointed and saddened.

[Nero Horse]

According to the outspoken Australian Ron Walker, his fellow Formula 1 promoters will speak with an enormous voice next week in Bahrain.

Walker, fiercely critical of the quieter sound of the sport’s new turbo V6 engines, also heads a Formula 1 promoters’ alliance, and he has called a meeting ahead of the forthcoming grand prix in the island kingdom.

According to the Independent newspaper and Formula 1 business journalist Christian Sylt, he tips the promoters to tell “Bernie [Ecclestone], enough is enough. This is not what we bought’.”

However, one of Walker’s fellow promoters is unlikely to be joining the chorus.

Razlan Razali, the boss of the Malaysian Grand Prix venue at Sepang, is not among those who are denouncing the new sound, insisting that Formula 1 remains amazing.

“Even the quieter engines, which goes against what many have been expecting in motor sport previously, might not entirely be a bad thing,” he told the New Straits Times.

“Parents should now be less afraid of bringing their children to races with the reduced noise levels.”

Razali also said that Formula 1′s new technology, producing higher top speeds with less noise and fuel, is impressive.

“You see a small engine still able to produce 750 horse power and clock laptimes almost as fast as the V8s did last year, so it is just amazing how far technology has advanced,” he insisted.

Nonetheless, Ecclestone and even FIA president Jean Todt are reported to be making moves to spice up the sound.

Franck Montagny, an ex Formula 1 driver turned French television pundit, acknowledged the issue.

“For the public, when they go and see the GP2 cars race on the same weekend and they’re louder, it will seem like they are faster as well. So there is something wrong,” he is quoted by Le Figaro.

The Telegraph newspaper reports that the Ecclestone-run Formula 1 Management is already “looking at where they position the microphones” around the tracks “to optimise the sound for television”.

And some actual tweaks to the cars to make the engine note louder are also possible.

But Sam Collins, an editor of the Racecar Engineering magazine, is sceptical.

“The concept of these engines means it’s quite difficult to redesign them to make them louder because you have the turbo sucking all the noise out,” he is quoted by the Guardian.

“So you would have to go for a complete rulebook change and that would take two or three years to introduce and would be hugely expensive and basically teams would stamp their feet and say no,” Collins added.

Montagny disagrees, ”I think there will be a change this season, technically, it is not even very difficult to do so.”

“There are already methods being used to allow electric cars to make more noise in order to avoid incidents with pedestrians.

“You could also intervene by putting in a second exhaust, but there will be no miracles,” he warned. “These engines are 1.6 litres – the era of the V10 and V8 is over.”


http://grandprix247.com/2014/03/26/walker-on-warpath-over-f1-sound-but-support-not-unanimous/

[shamim179]

Good to see that they are exploring such options. They're quite easy to implement. My personal opinion is that the cars are loud enough for track spectators. There may not be a need for ear plugs and the risk of developing hearing damage will be greatly reduced.

"The Telegraph newspaper reports that the Ecclestone-run Formula 1 Management is already “looking at where they position the microphones” around the tracks “to optimise the sound for television”.

And some actual tweaks to the cars to make the engine note louder are also possible."

[RedRebel40]

They should remove the fuel flow meter and the max turbo boost regulator and they will sound very loud again. Another advantage of this will be that the cars will deliver around 1000 HP. Also the max numer of engines of 5 should be upped to 12 engines a year to counterfeight the higher boost.

[abbottcostello]

I was still pretty excited to be watching F1 racing again, maybe just because it was first of the new season. I think there is going to be a lot of pressure from all involved, will be interesting to see how it plays out.

It seems Ferrari are actively campaigning against the sound of the new cars! Well, at least they are asking what you think, you can vote at Ferrari (http://formula1.ferrari.com/ferrarifansurvey) website. Has a link to some other questions too!

Maybe they need a microphone & loudspeaker on each car.:rotfl

[dpiatto]

Some interesting posts on here & nice to read the traditionalists feel the same.
Enduro racing 458's will be the one to watch now, its just a pity Ferrari have no intention to re enter Le-Mans.
Nice clip of Mansell @ Silverstone 1990.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9m4vx_f1-british-gp-1990-silverstone-nige_auto

[R Ginart]

VERY NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Turn your speakers up and ENJOY this symphony ;-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1InrgZiv30

[R Ginart]

NICEEEEEE! to see old footage of TRUE Formula One car!
Some interesting posts on here & nice to read the traditionalists feel the same.
Enduro racing 458's will be the one to watch now, its just a pity Ferrari have no intention to re enter Le-Mans.
Nice clip of Mansell @ Silverstone 1990.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9m4vx_f1-british-gp-1990-silverstone-nige_auto

[R Ginart]

Yes to the naked eye the cars ARE slower!
^ This :-(

I'm really disappointed with the sound, or rather lack of. For me it seems to make the cars look slower... I felt like I was watching electric GP2 cars with the sound turned down. I've watched F1 for over 30 years and have never been so underwhelmed with it as I am now. I hope they do something to improve things for TV viewers and those at the track.

[Winter]

How much difference there is between GP2 sounds and last year V8 F1 sounds?

I'd like to know because I'm going to hungaroring this year and there will be GP2 race also.
I've never heard either of them live and even glimpse of that good old (real) F1 sound would make me happy. Obviously not going to happen in F1 race, but are those GP2 sounds even close to what Formula Ones used to sound?

[Winter]

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[Winter]

They should remove the fuel flow meter and the max turbo boost regulator and they will sound very loud again. Another advantage of this will be that the cars will deliver around 1000 HP. Also the max numer of engines of 5 should be upped to 12 engines a year to counterfeight the higher boost.

Sounds good, but not going to happen because that would produce much more horsepowers and that is totally unacceptable in pinnacle of motorsport.
I'm afraid that those soundless cars are here to stay.

[Senna4Ever]

During testing I mentioned the possible benefit of street car/engine manufacturers like Mercedes and Renault who are used to that Hybrid technology and fuel efficiency ... while Ferrari has a complete other clients

today Austrian (even lokal) newspapers for common people like me (cheers to Pulp and Jarvis) are full with one full side Merc advertisement with congrats to Ham and Ros ... and of course praising the Merc. engine and Hybrid technology ...
so they can use this also for Marketing ... which give them a image boost.

While for Ferrari - where would they celebrate such a win for common people like me? So why put much effort into it ...

The fuel consumption regulation was introduced very late while V6 Turbos had been clear for much longer. So this late regulation seems to be a bit a knee fall for Merc. & Renault ...

[Senna4Ever]

Marko again

After they had been treated fairly gentle driving partner in the past few weeks, the wind seems to slowly rough to blow: "If Renault doesn't improve noticeable in the next two to three months, we are definitely talking about an alternative" threatens Red Bull motorsport consultant Helmut Marko in the (German) 'Bild' newspaper already with goodbye. Here, the in September 2011 extended contract actually runs until the end of 2016.

... but have to mention it is "Bild" ... but anyway: again whining in Marko Style ...

[Dino]

Here We Go Again,


F1: incontro Montezemolo-Ecclestone per cambiare le regole

2 aprile 2014


La nuova Formula 1 non piace. E' questo il verdetto della gente dopo i primi due GP della stagione, quelli di Melbourne e Sepang dominati dalle Mercedes di Rosberg ed Hamilton. Così Luca Cordero di Montezemolo vuole correre ai ripari e per questo oggi volerà a Londra per incontrare Bernie Ecclestone. Il presidente della Ferrari e il patron del circus discuteranno della nuove regole: gare corte, flussometro e rumore gli argomenti.


L'audience tv è precipitato, gli sponsor sono infuriati: bisogna cambiare, questo il pensiero comune. Si va verso la rivoluzione visto che le nuove regole approvate dai costruttori hanno prodotto uno spettacolo pessimo fino a qui: la Formula Noia. Non ci sono margini di miglioramento all'orizzonte e quindi c'è da intervenire al più presto. Tre i principali cambiamenti a cui stanno pensando ai piani alti. Montezemolo vorrebbe l'abolizione, già a partire dal GP di Cina o Spagna, della regola del flussometro che limita i consumi a 100 kg/ora. Poi si potrebbero accorciare le gare per non doversi preoccupare del limite di carburante e infinle il problema rumore.

April 2, 2014


The new Formula 1 nm . And ' This is the verdict of the people after the first two races of the season, those of Melbourne and Sepang dominated by the Mercedes of Rosberg and Hamilton. So Luca Cordero di Montezemolo wants to run for cover and to this day will fly to London to meet with Bernie Ecclestone. Ferrari president and owner of the circus will discuss the new rules: shorter races , flow noise and arguments .


The TV audience has plummeted , the sponsors are angry : we need to change , this is the common thought . We are moving towards the revolution since the new rules approved by the manufacturers have produced a poor performance thus far: Formula Boredom . There is room for improvement on the horizon and therefore need to intervene as soon as possible . Three major changes that are considering the upper floors . Montezemolo wants the abolition , as early as the Grand Prix of China or Spain, the rule that restricts the flow of fuel to 100 kg / hour. Then you could shorten the races for not having to worry about the limit of fuel and infinle the noise problem .

[Hornet]

I don't think shorter race is the answer. The race is still the main attraction for the fans who paid for those expensive tickets, cutting it short will only further reduce the value of attending a race.

[Dino]

This does not look good for Ferrari if it is true!
Luca will have a tough time trying to move the goal posts now.
Mercedes and all the teams using their engines will surely oppose any of the changes mentioned in the article.
Ferrari/Shell had better find out how Mercedes/Petronas are so efficient instead!

Link;http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/formula1/formula1/2014/articoli/1031126/f1-incontro-montezemolo-ecclestone-per-cambiare-le-regole-160-.shtml

[abbottcostello]

This does not look good for Ferrari if it is true!
Luca will have a tough time trying to move the goal posts now.
Mercedes and all the teams using their engines will surely oppose any of the changes mentioned in the article.
Ferrari/Shell had better find out how Mercedes/Petronas are so efficient instead!

Link;http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/formula1/formula1/2014/articoli/1031126/f1-incontro-montezemolo-ecclestone-per-cambiare-le-regole-160-.shtml

Pushback by Mercedes already, Niki Lauda is saying to quit talking about the lack of engine noise, says the fans will forget about it as the season goes on.

With Luca & Bernie having met, something will be done for sure & probably sooner than later, IMO. If they get RB/Renault on board, Merc will have little choice or risk looking like the ones that ruined F1.


Increase of fuel use to 120 kg & increase fuel flow to 110 kg/hr (maybe even 120?). Should give more useful revs at the top end, a lot more power, a little more noise.
What are these other steps that the articles talk about that could help the noise? They all seem to be saying that but give no specifics!