Malaysian GP 2014 Race Thread

[sachin]

Still not in DRS range with ric cruising

[Greig]

Yeah it Looks it.........

? We are challenging the Red Bull.

So we are having the same problems with the power as we did in Australia, or we fixed it?

[Schumiklub]

Ricciardo pits.

[vcs316]

RIC was asked to lift and cruise. That is when ALO started catching up.

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[Rishu]

Lewis lapped a McLaren

[aroutis]

Eh..? :-??

Hardly fighting midfield, Fernando is comfortably 5th and nearest threat is Nico who has done one less stop and Kimi has had a nightmare race so far, but not his own doing, we're third fastest at the moment, not ideal, but not embarrassing, Lewis and Seb didn't even finish last race, we're still there or there abouts, it's not over yet....
Add to this that we don't even know if RBR still cheat or not..

[brava]

Lol red bull

[Rishu]

Problems for RedBull

[eugene22n]

YES! RIC DOWN!

[sachin]

Ohh yeah
Love it RBR

[Uzair Ahmed]

P4 confirmed at least

[Tobes]

Red Bull botched pitstop...!

[Greig]

Super Red Bull.....

[Kyss4k]

RIC out!

[Katu]

thank you RB for screwing up

[eugene22n]

IF ONLY IT WAS VETTEL

[fratelliferrari]

Adios Ricciardo

[wacc]

Fernando to 4th

[rico]

They ruined Ricciardo's race. lol.

[Rishu]

Default 13 yayyy!!!

[sachin]

Love you RBR:clap

[The Architect]

Hooray!! Ricciardo out!! 4th place for Alonso!! Forza Ferrari!!!

[jocaranz]

Ohh ricciardo got lapped. Sad for him. Vettel would be happy

[Katu]

well hulk can steal this from us now

[Kyss4k]

Yay! Kimi infront of Ricciardo! :-D

[FerrariF60]

Hooray!! Ricciardo out!! 4th place for Alonso!! Forza Ferrari!!!

it's really sad that we get happy with 4th, ONLY BECAUSE red fools messed up ricchardo's pit stop

[rico]

Fernando pits? Why? :-??

[fratelliferrari]

Fernando in the pit

[Tobes]

Ricciardo has inherited Webbers 'luck' at Red Bull..!

Shame for him, great for us... :-)

[vcs316]

One more retirement at the front and we can score a podium....

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[Alesi1]

How much time has the RBR pulled on kimi. Ferrari is a gp2 car great.

[jocaranz]

Ohh more trouble for ricciardo

[Kyss4k]

Hopefully Hulk will have to stop again.

[eugene22n]

VETTEL!

[sachin]

But gaining places with penalties, pit lane issues wont help long

[Uzair Ahmed]

Bad luck riciardo

[Greig]

it's really sad that we get happy with 4th, ONLY BECAUSE red fools messed up ricchardo's pit stop

Yeah we should slow down and give him the place back

[Golfsmith]

Look to me Ferrari can only gain a position by other peoples misfortunes,very sad.

[fronaldo]

Hulk with a good strategy

[sachin]

This reminds alonso 2013 in malaysia

[Katu]

and he didn't want to be next webber...

[Greig]

Look to me Ferrari can only gain a position by other peoples misfortunes,very sad.

Yeah cause it's only Ferrari who gained from it, no other team gained a position.

[Katu]

Fernando pits? Why? :-??

because they had to

[Rishu]

Alonso would need to overtake Hulk on the track. I doubt Hulk would make another stop

[FerrariF60]

that's some major FLEXING on richardo's car...LOLOLOL

[FerrariFanBoii]

VETTEL!

What about him? :P

[jocaranz]

Redbull making sure vettel is thier main man. Wakokokok

[DJTaurus]

Hamilton constantly under 1.45....

[SilverSpeed]

Haha Lotus Twitter humor.

Pic of Daniel going the wrong way :-).

[FerrariF60]

Look to me Ferrari can only gain a position by other peoples misfortunes,very sad.

INDEED MATE....I'm with you on this one....on pure performance and speed, ferrari couldn't do it...at least NOT so far...maybe later in teh season when we'll get our BIG UPDATE PACKAGE....

sad but true

[jocaranz]

that's some major FLEXING on richardo's car...LOLOLOL

Hahahaha that's illegal :rotfl

[theforce]

What kind of racing is this? haven't seen an overtake in the last hour!

[sachin]

Need to close 12 sec in 12 laps

[Rishu]

Redbull making sure vettel is thier main man. Wakokokok

Got scared of his Australia showing already. I expected Ricciardo 'misfortunes' a bit later in the season. Lol

[Golfsmith]

Redbull making sure vettel is thier main man. Wakokokok

Rear gunner,same as Ferrari did with Massa.

[Alfa159]

Yeah cause it's only Ferrari who gained from it, no other team gained a position.

I think his point is that it would be nice to gain a spot as a result of having a fast car not relying on the misfortunes of others...fair point I thought.

[SilverSpeed]

Daniel 10 sec stop and go penalty LOL :-D.

[FerrariF60]

Need to close 12 sec in 12 laps

that is a LOT to ask from Alonso....he would do it, but NOT with what he's got at the moment

[Uzair Ahmed]

Nice one massa

[eugene22n]

Wait Hulk passed Alo on the pits? Terrible.

[rico]

Great defending by Button.

[sachin]

Pettel doing a 2 stopper?

[Greig]

I think his point is that it would be nice to gain a spot as a result of having a fast car not relying on the misfortunes of others...fair point I thought.

That's racing, can't change it just to have a little whine.

[Katu]

Wait Hulk passed Alo on the pits? Terrible.

you watch the race too or what? hulk 2 pitstops, Fernando 3

[Kyss4k]

Wait Hulk passed Alo on the pits? Terrible.

Hulk is on 2 stop strategy. We are on 3 stopper.

Even if Alonso will catch Hulk, will he be able to overtake him with our top speed? Remember Australia?

[Schumiklub]

Fastest lap for FA! :-D

[Greig]

FL Alonso

[Scuderia85]

FA is eating up the hulk

[DJTaurus]

1.44.1 for ALO.

[fratelliferrari]

Fernando Fastest lap of the race

[Rishu]

Alonso fastest lap

[fronaldo]

FL for Alonso

[Greig]

7 seconds to Hulk, but the doom and gloom on here says he can't do it.....

[Scuderia85]

Kimi goes for p10

[aroutis]

Seriously do you people watch the race...?

[Alfa159]

That's racing, can't change it just to have a little whine.

It can be changed ... build a better car would be a starting point.

[Schumiklub]

7 seconds to Hulk, but the doom and gloom on here says he can't do it.....

TBH, it would be much nicer if it were to Hamilton, not to someone in fourth place :-) But I'll take what I can get.

[Golfsmith]

At least we seem to be 3rd best team ahead of McLaren,Williams,Force India all with Merc power.

[sachin]

Wait..are we going to do a pit stop more than others?

[SilverSpeed]

Wait a minute how fubar is this?

Daniel has a 10 sec stop and go but doesn't do it, so after the race he get's +10sec time added.

But when he does that in the race he loses also the time travelling through the pits so he loses at least 35 sec.

IS this rule new to 2014? Stupid you can save up all your penalty's and then get them at the end of the race when you lose 60% less then when you're in a race.

[Greig]

It can be changed ... build a better car would be a starting point.

And we could still gain from others having problems, it's racing.

[Kyss4k]

Go Fernando, Go my dear!

[eugene22n]

lol thought they both pitted. the race doesn't have my full attention.

Not used to getting excited about a Ferrari hunting down a Force Indian for 4th.

[LivingHitokiri]

Come on Fernando and Kimi, go for 4th and 10th, you can do it guys!

[Golfsmith]

Why can Ferrari not put this hybrid engine in a road car and go all day around Fiorano to sort this power unit out.

[Katu]

lol thought they both pitted. the race doesn't have my full attention.

Not used to getting excited about a Ferrari hunting down a Force Indian for 4th.

yet it doesn't stop you from complaining with full attention

[FerrariFanBoii]

Rosbergs engineer sounds like a robot..

BOX! BOX! BOX!

[Greig]

Why can Ferrari not put this hybrid engine in a road car and go all day around Fiorano to sort this power unit out.

Sort what out? engines are frozen no?

[FerrariF60]

Why can Ferrari not put this hybrid engine in a road car and go all day around Fiorano to sort this power unit out.

exactly my point??? is that illegal?? nobody would KNOW, would they???

[Greig]

Why are Williams not even using all their fuel?

[Katu]

and tell me what does that fuel saving give to Massa? his car is heavier when others have a lot lighter car

[eugene22n]

yet it doesn't stop you from complaining with full attention

That's how bad this race is. I actually stayed up for it too.

[Tobes]

7 seconds to Hulk, but the doom and gloom on here says he can't do it.....

Yeah he can, and he will, and Vettel is only just ahead now, but on new tires...

...and Kimi can score a point... :-)

[Alessandra]

C'mon Fernando! C'mon Fernando!!!

[rico]

Very difficult for Kimi to take that 10th place.

[Kyss4k]

exactly my point??? is that illegal?? nobody would KNOW, would they???

They probably did that. Remember the video of LaFerrari? But it's too late to do it again. Engines are frozen an the only way to change something other than software is because of reliability.

[FerrariF60]

Why are Williams not even using all their fuel?

maybe they started under fueled....

[Kyss4k]

Alonso just .3 behind Hulk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sachin]

Even if we sort out are issues..how do we close the 1 min gap to mercs:roll

[Kyss4k]

Kimi strike! We know you can!

[aroutis]

That's how bad this race is. I actually stayed up for it too.Go to bed, noone will complain (pun intended !)

[SilverSpeed]

Wrong RB out!!!!!!!

[Alfa159]

And we could still gain from others having problems, it's racing.

That's obvious...but I think you'll find most teams strive to build a better car rather than focus on relying on the misfortune of others.

[Uzair Ahmed]

Massa team orders in williams as well

[Greig]

Well done Alonso :-)

[eugene22n]

its almost over lol.

i promise to pump the sunshine next race.

[vcs316]

Finally!!!

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[rico]

FERNANDO :clap

[brava]

Good

[wacc]

Nice tyre battle :clap

[Scuderia85]

Fernando delivers

[sachin]

OMG we are slower in straight line than merc engine even with DRS

[Uzair Ahmed]

Alonso fought for p4

[Katu]

great drive, love it!!!

[fronaldo]

Alonso struggles to overtake Hulk due to Merc straight line speed

[Kyss4k]

Felipe really didn't help himself in Williams, did he?


YAY Ferndno! :ferrarifl

[DJTaurus]

And again.... with a car almost 2 secs faster look how difficult was for alonso to overtake.

[Greig]

That's obvious...but I think you'll find most teams strive to build a better car rather than focus on relying on the misfortune of others.

Nobody said otherwise, not sure what your moaning at now really.

[Schumiklub]

1:43.0 for Hamilton, just wow

[Greig]

And again.... with a car almost 2 secs faster look how difficult was for alonso to overtake.

Looked pretty simple to me?

[FerrariF60]

Well done Alonso :-)

that was a LOT of hard work even for alonso....with fresher faster tire....and the HULK on old and 2 stopper...

nothing really to write home about, eh Craig

[Jas]

Ignore it massa

[vcs316]

Oooooh, Massa being asked to move over...

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[Golfsmith]

Sort what out? engines are frozen no?

Ferrari engines not as drivable as Merc,I think its software related tuning,putting the power down in and out of the corners ant get that hybrid stuff to work as it supposed to work.

Well done Alonso on the 4th position.

[DJTaurus]

Hamilton: 1.43.066

[Jas]

Ignore massa

[vcs316]

Massa ordered again.

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[Greig]

that was a LOT of hard work even for alonso....with fresher faster tire....and the HULK on old and 2 stopper...

nothing really to write home about, eh Craig

So you cry we can't overtake, then cry when we do overtake.

Maybe you should stop coming here.

[Tobes]

Come on Felipe, stay where you are...

[Schumiklub]

Kimi still not past the Lotus.

[Alfa159]

Nobody said otherwise, not sure what your moaning at now really.

I'm not moaning just clarifying a point made by another poster that you failed to understand.

[Kyss4k]

1:43.0 for Hamilton, just wow

Different universe.

[Katu]

well what i take as a positive is that this time the gap is not so big and no SC keeping us closer to leaders

[Jas]

Probs loose it in the drs

[vcs316]

Its disturbing Ferrari can't overtake a Lotus.

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[DJTaurus]

Kimi still cant overtake Grosjean....

[Greig]

I'm not moaning just clarifying a point made by another poster that you failed to understand.

Fully understood it, not sure what your moaning at?

[eugene22n]

Williams with the most entertaining part of the race.

[aroutis]

well what i take as a positive is that this time the gap is not so big and no SC keeping us closer to leaders

And we should remember it's the 2nd race and we can and will improve.

[jocaranz]

Wow i thought the this race is in italy with that crowd's reaction to alonso overtaking hulk. Didnt looked like a mercedes crowd. LOL

[Kyss4k]

It's so easy for Merc guys. Incredible.

Kimi won't do make it now.

[Golfsmith]

Ferrari need to sort out there speed disadvantage to other cars.

[Schumiklub]

Not even DRS can help Kimi against Grosjean.

[Greig]

Its disturbing Ferrari can't overtake a Lotus.

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Tyres are pretty old....

[eugene22n]

3rd best car right now.

Hope for some upgrades. And perhaps more progress on Kimi's braking issues.

[brava]

It's good finger boy not winning any longer, congrats Lewis!

[FerrariF60]

So you cry we can't overtake, then cry when we do overtake.

Maybe you should stop coming here.

i'm not crying when we overtake...i'm only crying because of HOW hard it was do it adn how well the HULK did it on a TWO stopper, that's all

but i'm sure we'll improve in teh coming races

[Katu]

massa not doing any favours for himself. team always comes first

[Greig]

i'm not crying when we overtake...i'm only crying because of HOW hard it was do it adn how well the HULK did it on a TWO stopper, that's all

but i'm sure we'll improve in teh coming races

What was hard about it? First you said Alonso would never catch Hulk, then he does and you still have to whine about it.

Seriously consider why you come here at all.

[Jas]

Yes massa, most entertainment today for me personally

[Golfsmith]

Raik could not even take a Lotus on speed,shows we have bad speed in relation to other cars.

[sachin]

We really arent able to overtake basically anyone

[rico]

Not even DRS can help Kimi against Grosjean.

He had pretty worn tyres...

[eugene22n]

Happy for Massa.

I'll read the copy-paste statements from Fry and Dom in the morning.

See yall next week. Forza Ferrari.

[jocaranz]

It's good finger boy not winning any longer, congrats Lewis!

Aggree. Im not annoyed if lewis will win nowadays, i get annoyed of its vettel the big head.

[Jas]

Nahh i personally think massa had to do that, assert his authority, show hes not a pushover and not bad for his first race

[SilverSpeed]

These slow races already take up to 2 hours lol,

1u45 mins of slow cars 'racing'...

[Katu]

how fake vettel's monologue sounds

[The Architect]

Time to go back to bed and resume my Sunday lie-in. I look forward to hearing our usual excuses later.

[Hornet]

Great driving by Alonso and strategy by the team to salvage a 4th place. I think this was the max we could do, Merc and RB were faster today.

Wished it rained though.

More improvements later I hope

[LivingHitokiri]

Raik could not even take a Lotus on speed,shows we have bad speed in relation to other cars.

He had like 23 laps old tyres , i think we should've had longer first stint and give Kimi clear air as he lost tons of times behind others.

[tifosi1993]

Great job by both Ferrari's. Well done.

[Alfa159]

Fully understood it, not sure what your moaning at?

I told you I wasn't moaning ...can't put it any simpler than that.

[Golfsmith]

Like to read the excuses from the team this time,stay calm.

I think the engineers are been told by SD what to do slow our cars.

[theforce]

Alonso peeking in Seb's cockpit :lol

[Jas]

Alonso checking out the red bull an then goes to check out mercades

[Kyss4k]

How can we beat them?

[wacc]

Good result I would say. Better than what was to expected after Australia. Shame what happend to Kimi.
Good job by both drivers.
Sadly team still has to make the car much better if they want to win.

[Schumiklub]

It's a pity Kimi had a puncture, he could have been up there with Fernando.

[Katu]

okay, i'll put some clothes on and go out to celebrate my birthday. btw i am satisfied with our result, good drive from Fernando and good recovery from Kimi

[eugene22n]

I as well am less bothered by Lewis winning than Vettel now. That is what its come to. And Merc is my "second team" anyways, with Schumi's time there, Ross, and I have one in the garage too.

Anything to break this drink car streak.

[Kyss4k]

poor Lewis :-D Can't join the conversation.

[FerrariF60]

What was hard about it? First you said Alonso would never catch Hulk, then he does and you still have to whine about it.

Seriously consider why you come here at all.

i meant to say that he'll never catch ricchardo....we got lucky that they had an issue (thsi is racing of course) not the hulk....but we cannot rely on someone's BAD luck in eery race to make points, or win races

we are ferrari, and we MUST DO IT on merit....but i'm sure that will come

[mark p]

Pretty good lap times if you ignore Merc but seems when Ferrari get stuck behind slower cars they just cannot get by. Power looked telling at the start when their normally great starts were not evident when out dragged by both RedBulls.

On a bright note they are closer this race using Rosberg as a reference. Last race with 30 or so laps after a safety car they were 34 seconds down but this time 19 seconds to Rosberg over a full 56 laps.

[Schumiklub]

I didn't hear quiet well what Vettel said, but I think he was talking about how Rosberg just sped away from him at one point.

[eugene22n]

okay, i'll put some clothes on and go out to celebrate my birthday. btw i am satisfied with our result, good drive from Fernando and good recovery from Kimi

happy birthday.

agreed that we maximized the potential considering Kimi's bad luck.

Ferrari will always be Ferrari, even in this darker period.

[vcs316]

Tyres are pretty old....

But out horse power advantage & DRS should negate the how old the tyres are, shouldn't it?

[LivingHitokiri]

Can we just get one race without anyone colliding us, without any electric fuel engine break problems ?
I just ask for a plain simple normal race that Vettel gets 99% of the time or am i asking too much ?

[wappad]

Bad luck, Kimi! But you worked hard after that.

Great job Fernando.

Proud to have both of you to support :clap

Up to Bahrain!

Forza Ferrari!!

[fronaldo]

Wow i thought the this race is in italy with that crowd's reaction to alonso overtaking hulk. Didnt looked like a mercedes crowd. LOL
There many tifosi and Alonso's fans here..and it felt like in Monza when Alonso overtaking Hulk

[DJTaurus]

how fake vettel's monologue sounds

He is just calm and relaxed cause redfools will comeback as always. He is very confident because of that.

[FFFerrari]

Great drive from Fernando, a job well done for Kimi as he wasn't responsible at all for that puncture the idiot Magnussen caused. The team on the other hand really needs to sort out the straightline speed issue, we have huge problems of overtaking anyone.

[Greig]

But out horse power advantage & DRS should negate the how old the tyres are, shouldn't it?

Not if you can't get the power down due to the tyres being worn I wouldn't think.

[LivingHitokiri]

But out horse power advantage & DRS should negate the how old the tyres are, shouldn't it?

Without tyres giving you the grip the rest is pretty much useless, you wont be able to stay behind the front car and accelerate after the turns, you gonna get slower high speed because of tyres not working optimal. So no, having a good tyre conditions is probably the most important thing to have when you want to overtake.

[Greig]

i meant to say that he'll never catch ricchardo....we got lucky that they had an issue (thsi is racing of course) not the hulk....but we cannot rely on someone's BAD luck in eery race to make points, or win races

we are ferrari, and we MUST DO IT on merit....but i'm sure that will come

No you said he would not make the 12 seconds on Hulk, Riccardio was already out.

Then when Alonso did make it up and pass you still found it negative.

[Alonso14]

Good effort from the team. Alonso with a very solid drive but quite fortunate that Red Bull mistook Danny Ricciardo for Mark Webber:lol

Hopefully by Spain we will be able to fight for the win and if we can't challenge for the title at least to have a solid foundation for 2015.

[vcs316]

Not if you can't get the power down due to the tyres being worn I wouldn't think.

He could get the power down Grieg, that's how Kimi caught Grosjean and was using DRS for the last 3 laps. Even then he couldn't overtake Grosjean. Look at Alonso vs Hulk, same problem... Caught up at blistering pace but couldn't overtake using DRS on the straight due to the PU deficit.

[Katu]

Nico - real PR man

[Kyss4k]

Lol Rosberg advertising :doh

[Greig]

He could get the power down Grieg, that's how Kimi caught Grosjean and was using DRS for the last 3 laps. Even then he couldn't overtake Grosjean. Look at Alonso vs Hulk, same problem... Caught up at blistering pace but couldn't overtake using DRS on the straight due to the PU deficit.

So worn tyres are not a negative effect on using the power? come on....

[Jas]

casual plugging by rosberg for the sponsers

[vcs316]

Happy Birthday Katu, wishing you a fab day & year ahead!! :cheers

[Kingdom Hearts]

Fantastic job by Fer and bad luck for Kimi, the car is so slow, we arelucky that F-I is no a little faster.

[vcs316]

So worn tyres are not a negative effect on using the power? come on....

I don't know, hence the question. Alonso was on fresher tyres but even then couldn't overtake on the straights.

[Katu]

thank you everybody for your kind wishes, now i will get lucky for sure ;-)

[Red is Best]

Looks like our PU is massively underpowered. You just have to look at the way we weren't able to overtake on the straights with the DRS on or the way we were consistently eaten alive at the exit of turn 2 to see something's wrong. Plus our tire degradation rate is higher than Merc's and Red Bull's. I think we are in for a very long year.

[Kyss4k]

So worn tyres are not a negative effect on using the power? come on....

Just out of curiosity, how old were Grosjean's boots?

[voiko]

Hmmmm both merc drivers really blowing petronas... Has that got something to do with their awesome PU?!

[Golfsmith]

FERRARI well done.

You need to get agressive and show us you can gave us driver a better all-round car to race with during weekends.

[F1NAC]

I think Ferrari PU suck as Renault one. Only one Ferrari PU in top 10, Raikkonen massive struggle to pass grosjean and ericsson on Renault PU. We don't build planes but we build tractors.

[vcs316]

thank you everybody for your kind wishes, now i will get lucky for sure ;-)

You are lucky Raz isn't around to hear that!!!! :-D

[Jas]

Hmmmm both merc drivers really blowing petronas... Has that got something to do with their awesome PU?!

doubt it, Malaysia and PETRONAS come hand in hand...and with probs the board watching they have to! Even Paddy Lowe is on it on bbc

[Golfsmith]

It's clear Ferrari hybrid pu tech are not up to Merc level at the moment.

[Alonso14]

So worn tyres are not a negative effect on using the power? come on....

I agree with vcs316, tbh. We obviously lacked any kind of decent top speed. Alonso was catching the Hulk by 1.2-2.0 s/lap and the best he could do was to pull alongside him coming into T1. It was a "traction overtake", it was very obvious we are not reaching the speed we need.

And Kimi didn't exactly overtake Ericsson, Chilton and Grosjean (well, he didn't overtake him at all) with ease. Just like Australia, we couldn't overtake on the straight.

[mark p]

Of all this and that said about the car it appears if there is 1 major issue it's straightline speed. Same for RedBull but appears more so for Ferrari. Most cars used 90 % fuel so all carried 10 kg or at least 5kg too much fuel if you allow margin for error. I found this the most interesting thing. RedBull used more fuel than Ferrari so possible Ferrari can burn a bit more fuel to make up small gap to RedBull? Merc will take much longer to catch, probably.

[Greig]

I agree with vcs316, tbh. We obviously lacked any kind of decent top speed. Alonso was catching the Hulk by 1.2-2.0 s/lap and the best he could do was to pull alongside him coming into T1. It was a "traction overtake", it was very obvious we are not reaching the speed we need.


So in agreeing you therefore agree with worn tyres you lose out on traction out of the corners as seen with Hulk, therefore agree that Kimi with his worn tyres could not overtake due to losing out on traction which was my point.

[Schumiklub]

You are lucky Raz isn't around to hear that!!!! :-D

What happened to Raz?

[ritsukka]

Kimi's point situation looks very bad :-s

[Kyss4k]

Now, rewatching the start, you can clearly see all Ferrari powered cars strugling to get up to speed. I wonder if we can resolve the engine issues as it's clear as sky that we have them. Hupefully it doesn't end up with being down of power and driveability for the whole era.

[vcs316]

What happened to Raz?

I don't know. He started a new forum supporting Mercedes (he was & is a massive Schumi fan) and sold it to Petronas or Mercedes or something... Thats what i remember...

[paneristi]

again, I believe the team will work even harder after today's result, and all we need is to stay calm it is still a long way to go (stefano mode)

[vcs316]

Now, rewatching the start, you can clearly see all Ferrari powered cars strugling to get up to speed. I wonder if we can resolve the engine issues as it's clear as sky that we have them. Hupefully it doesn't end up with being down of power and driveability for the whole era.

We do have an engine disadvantage with everything else including tyres being constant. Hope we can sort this out when the European leg begins.

[uvaman]

I was watching the laps between RB and Merc vs. Ferrari and this circuit was something like

RB faster 0.4-0.7 per lap vs. Ferrari
Merc faster 1.0 - 1.3 per lap vs. Ferrari

Def aero is our better side but PU is ....

Don't know did you noticed that DRS is no longer big deal...Guys from sky said in austraila
that this new design should give better top speed with DRS but don't know if this is happening..

[SilverSpeed]

Enzo would turn around in his grave right now.

Aero is for people who can't build engines. But what when we can't build an engine aswell now...

[Alonso14]

So in agreeing you therefore agree with worn tyres you lose out on traction out of the corners as seen with Hulk, therefore agree that Kimi with his worn tyres could not overtake due to losing out on traction which was my point.

Despite the reduced traction of the worn tyres Kimi had he was still significantly faster than Grosjean (he closed on him pretty quickly) but we were nowhere near overtaking him on the straight.

[Greig]

Despite the reduced traction of the worn tyres Kimi had he was still significantly faster than Grosjean (he closed on him pretty quickly) but we were nowhere near overtaking him on the straight.

Yeah and once you are in the dirty air you lose some aero to go along with the worn tyres, is this the first race you have watched?

[mark p]

Despite the reduced traction of the worn tyres Kimi had he was still significantly faster than Grosjean (he closed on him pretty quickly) but we were nowhere near overtaking him on the straight.

Speed gain mid corner under higher aero load. No advantage possible disadvantage on traction so lose out start of straight and no pu advantage on the straight so faster in clean air but cannot pass when behind a much slower car?

[Haroski]

Kimi's point situation looks very bad :-s

Well, after only 2 races and bad luck, no need to get depressed. And Ricciardo's situation is even worse :D

[Katu]

You are lucky Raz isn't around to hear that!!!! :-D

muhahahaha... :-)

[Red is Best]

Yeah and once you are in the dirty air you lose some aero to go along with the worn tyres, is this the first race you have watched?

Worn tires mainly affect cornering abilities and traction out of slow corners, not straight line speed.
Doesn't matter how fresh the tires are, if you don't have enough power or if you are hitting the rev limiter too soon you won't get past in a straight line.

[alfaromeo]

Formula already watching more than 15 years only this, you're two seconds faster per lap and then on the plane with drs can not overtake (Alonso vs Hulk), this is in F1. With these engines is the 1.6-liter Formula One lost the title of Queen of motorsport. But it is painful to admit that Mercedes at the moment certainly drive more than 50 hp as Ferrari. I think that Ferrari has a serious problem with just the weight of the car, which was seen in the first half of the race with a full tank. One thing is for sure that the ferrari greatly improved in aerodynamics, but it seems to have fallen asleep in the development of motor unit.

[Greig]

Worn tires mainly affect cornering abilities and traction out of slow corners, not straight line speed.
Doesn't matter how fresh the tires are, if you don't have enough power or if you are hitting the rev limiter too soon you won't get past in a straight line.

If you can't get the power down as quick as the guy in front going onto the straight then you lose out, not hard to grasp.

[Hornet]

okay, i'll put some clothes on and go out to celebrate my birthday. btw i am satisfied with our result, good drive from Fernando and good recovery from Kimi

Happy Birthday! :wine

[Alfa159]

Let's hope next race we have a few more that don't finish ahead of us to improve our standings!

[Alonso14]

If you can't get the power down as quick as the guy in front going onto the straight then you lose out, not hard to grasp.

Then explain to me why Alonso with his incredibly superior traction could not overtake Hulk on the straight. We didn't have decent top speed, we could not overtake there.

[Red is Best]

If you can't get the power down as quick as the guy in front going onto the straight then you lose out, not hard to grasp.


Right, but from what I saw, it's not like Grosjean had better traction out of the last corner. Kimi had equal traction, but was losing out in sheer speed, even with the DRS open, because there's just not enough power. If tires were the issue, which was not the case because we were faster everywhere else except in the straights, we would have seen Grosjean pulling away right after turn 14 and 15.

[Hornet]

Kevin Mag admitted that it was his mistake colliding with Kimi.

These young drivers need to be more careful when racing others, they are still young with many more years ahead to prove themself.

[Tobes]

Of all this and that said about the car it appears if there is 1 major issue it's straightline speed. Same for RedBull but appears more so for Ferrari. Most cars used 90 % fuel so all carried 10 kg or at least 5kg too much fuel if you allow margin for error. I found this the most interesting thing. RedBull used more fuel than Ferrari so possible Ferrari can burn a bit more fuel to make up small gap to RedBull? Merc will take much longer to catch, probably.

Do you think part of this could be the gearing, or solely due to the PU...?

On a side note, BTCC race 1 about to start on ITV4... :thumb

[Jas]

cheapest engine, worst engine in my opinion...u pay for what you get I guess!

[RedPassion]

Considering the fact the the PU is the worst of the field at the moment and that we are easy in front of Williams,Force India and Mclaren its clearly obvious that our pace is mostly coming from a superior chassis at the moment,i believe that on equal engines would be:Red Bull 1-Mercedes=Ferrari 2.Mclaren 4.Williams 5.Force India 6.Sauber 7.Toro Rosso 8. etc...

[SashAlex]

I fell asleep watching the race this morning...

No comments... This F1 more environmental friendly is a joke because the big corporations sponsoring it aren't, by far. Talk about Shell being human-friendly or environmental friendly, or Petronas etc. etc.

[Kristof_F40]

Considering the fact the the PU is the worst of the field at the moment and that we are easy in front of Williams,Force India and Mclaren its clearly obvious that our pace is mostly coming from a superior chassis at the moment,i believe that on equal engines would be:Red Bull 1-Mercedes=Ferrari 2.Mclaren 4.Williams 5.Force India 6.Sauber 7.Toro Rosso 8. etc...

Problem with that is that PU is frozen, aero etc. not

[Majki2111]

What I just don't understand is that how can Ferrari still have worse aero than RBR when they fixed wind tunnel. Answer please. In that case we have STUPID people working here in Ferrari...

[Bertie]

Kevin Mag admitted that it was his mistake colliding with Kimi.

These young drivers need to be more careful when racing others, they are still young with many more years ahead to prove themself.

I think the penalty system needs to be changed. I can't see the justice in "k-mag" getting a 5 second penalty for causing kimi to lose around 60 seconds. IMO if guilt is established then the penalty should put the offender behind the victim.

[F1NAC]

What I just don't understand is that how can Ferrari still have worse aero than RBR when they fixed wind tunnel. Answer please.
Adrian newey

[Kristof_F40]

What I just don't understand is that how can Ferrari still have worse aero than RBR when they fixed wind tunnel. Answer please.

Red Bull has a very very good design team, remember the dominant years of Ferrari

[Greig]

Then explain to me why Alonso with his incredibly superior traction could not overtake Hulk on the straight. We didn't have decent top speed, we could not overtake there.

Alonso used the straight to set up his overtake move? did you even watch the race?

[Majki2111]

Adrian newey
I am completly sure that in the world there are many better aerodinamycists than Newey.

[alfaromeo]

I think it's the most expensive Renault motor unit. I do not know if it's worse than Ferrari.

[fadyferrari]

Alonso used the straight to set up his overtake move? did you even watch the race?

Well he had to set up the move for after the straight because he just couldnt get it done on the straight itself even with the drs...

[Alonso14]

Alonso used the straight to set up his overtake move? did you even watch the race?

Yes, set up his move, not execute his move. A car that is 1.5s/lap faster must be able to breeze past on straight. The fact that Alonso didn't shows that our PU is very lacking. Or maybe the 8th gear is too short or something else but there is a problem, clearly.


What I just don't understand is that how can Ferrari still have worse aero than RBR when they fixed wind tunnel. Answer please. In that case we have STUPID people working here in Ferrari...

Aero is not that simple, mate. And what sets apart Red Bull (Newey) from the others is the fact that he can see beyond the wind tunnel data.

[Greig]

Yes, set up his move, not execute his move. A car that is 1.5s/lap faster must be able to breeze past on straight. The fact that Alonso didn't shows that our PU is very lacking. Or maybe the 8th gear is too short or something else but there is a problem, clearly.

Again did you watch the race? Hulk defended very well at the end of the straight into the last corner, which put Alonso out of position for the pit straight exit, but he still came back at him and used the straight to set up the overtake.

[RedPassion]

I am completly sure that in the world there are may better aerodinamycists than Newey.
Yep,but Red Bull have 700 people only for the chassis and 420 million euro only for the chassis where Ferrari and mercedes have more and less the same people and budget but the Engine department too.Adrian is no God,there are very good aerodynamicist in Red Bull that make the dirty Job where he is getting all the fame,Ferrari has started to hire a lot of very good aerodynamicist since Aldo Costa departure and now that the wind tunnel is fixed we will see hopefully in this season how much we can improve,you know change in technical departments take time to work and Ferrari started the latest where Mercedes and Red Bull are already harvesting.This is a big guilt of the former Technical direction for not have invested before 2011 and Stefano Domenicali for not firing them at the right time,now it seems its working better,after a failure in Australia all the engine department has been shuffled,this should have happened 4 years ago!

[fadyferrari]

I had hope in aero development department with the new wind tunnel ,james allison et al,but this PU freeze is making me really nervous....

[ritsukka]

I think the penalty system needs to be changed. I can't see the justice in "k-mag" getting a 5 second penalty for causing kimi to lose around 60 seconds. IMO if guilt is established then the penalty should put the offender behind the victim.

True! Also Kimi had similar situation with Alonso in the first corner but they didin't crash. Shows the differences with good and bad driver.

[Greig]

Well he had to set up the move for after the straight because he just couldnt get it done on the straight itself even with the drs...

Because Hulk had defended well in the last corner, seriously go and watch it again.

[Majki2111]

Yes, set up his move, not execute his move. A car that is 1.5s/lap faster must be able to breeze past on straight. The fact that Alonso didn't shows that our PU is very lacking. Or maybe the 8th gear is too short or something else but there is a problem, clearly.



Aero is not that simple, mate. And what sets apart Red Bull (Newey) from the others is the fact that he can see beyond the wind tunnel data.
We should find better than him.

[mark p]

Do you think part of this could be the gearing, or solely due to the PU...?

On a side note, BTCC race 1 about to start on ITV4... :thumb

Could be but my gut feeling is its power. Slower top speed and 2nd phase of the start they got out dragged even by RedBull. Other Ferrari engine teams also seem to suffer straight line issues so a bit of doubt 3 teams would get gears wrong.

[Alonso14]

Again did you watch the race? Hulk defended very well at the end of the straight into the last corner, which put Alonso out of position for the pit straight exit, but he still came back at him and used the straight to set up the overtake.

You're being delusional if you think we don't have a problem with top speed. A car that is being 1.5s/lap faster must not have so much trouble getting past. How about Kimi vs Ericssen? Vergne? Grosjean? Alonso vs Hulk in Australia? Actually, both Kimi and Fernando vs anyone in Australia? No problem with top speed? Ok.

[fadyferrari]

Well to be fair some cars did overtake around the outside at the end of the straight,with the overtaken driver using similar defence as hulkenberg...my complaint is based on the fact that it took us the whole straight to pull up alongside him...maybe thats just the way i see it