Should Ferrari pay more attention to finding a better aerodynamicists and designers?

[Majki2111]

OK, beacuse developing of PU is over and is clearness that Ferrari lacks aero efficiency compared to RBR, should they...?
I mean there must be better aerodynamicists and designers better than Tombazis and Newey in the world. I think they should really start searching them in smaller series of racing than F1 or even outside of racing. I follow Ferrari since Alonso is there and they did nothing compared to RBR nor McLaren. They weren't inovative at all. It all looks like there are working many many people without enough knowlege to be the best for Ferrari, it is big problem since they have a lot of money and people. So they need to maybe start hireing people, not firing them.

OR SHOULD WE STAY CALM AND GIVE THEM MORE TIME? :-D:lol

[shamim179]

Think we need more/better software engineers. And better/more systems engineers. This is much more relevant for this new formula era.

[Greig]

If it was so easy then it would have been done.

[Majki2111]

If it was so easy then it would have been done.I didn't say it is easy, but it is worth of trying and it is needed if you ask me.



Think we need more/better software engineers. And better/more systems engineers. This is much more relevant for this new formula era.
I know that but since we are on back foot already and engine development window is closed we need to get the best in aero.

[Hornet]

I'm sure Ferrari knows how important every area is, I don't think Ferrari decided to slack off in the aero department and focused on engine development only. The team spent a lot in trying to fix the wind tunnel, hiring new CFD expert (or so the rumors said anyway). The team is pushing on every front.

As for the PU, teams will be allowed to make performance improvements for next season. We need to keep pushing there as well. And of course, in all other area as well, and I believe Ferrari is pushing in all other areas.

[RedRebel40]

I think they are constantly trying like all the other big teams.

[Majki2111]

I think they are constantly trying like all the other big teams.
And yet still not being the best in any area exept reliability, which is not that big advantage considering past 5 years.

[Gerhard Berger]

Unfortunately we gave away one of the best designers in F1 to Mercedes back in 2011.

[Gerhard Berger]

And yet still not being the best in any area exept reliability, which is not that big advantage considering past 5 years.

:thumb

Resta said they focused on reliability. Perhaps they shold have been focusing on performance first, and then making the car reliable (as Red Bull have done).

Easier to make a fast car reliable, than to make a reliable car fast.

[Greig]

Unfortunately we gave away one of the best designers in F1 to Mercedes back in 2011.

:rotfl

[RedPassion]

:rotfl
:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

[RedPassion]

OK, beacuse developing of PU is over and is clearness that Ferrari lacks aero efficiency compared to RBR, should they...?
I mean there must be better aerodynamicists and designers better than Tombazis and Newey in the world. I think they should really start searching them in smaller series of racing than F1 or even outside of racing. I follow Ferrari since Alonso is there and they did nothing compared to RBR nor McLaren. They weren't inovative at all. It all looks like there are working many many people without enough knowlege to be the best for Ferrari, it is big problem since they have a lot of money and people. So they need to maybe start hireing people, not firing them.

OR SHOULD WE STAY CALM AND GIVE THEM MORE TIME? :-D:lol

Our Chassis is at the Moment the second best,although we have a far worse PU at the Moment we are in front of all Mercedes powered engine but Mercedes,and there and there about with Red Bull,i think this is a good answer.

[Majki2111]

Our Chassis is at the Moment the second best,although we have a far worse PU at the Moment we are in front of all Mercedes powered engine but Mercedes,and there and there about with Red Bull,i think this is a good answer.

Well, second best isn't enough looking back in past 4 or 5 years.

[AfterLife]

Our Chassis is at the Moment the second best,although we have a far worse PU at the Moment we are in front of all Mercedes powered engine but Mercedes,and there and there about with Red Bull,i think this is a good answer.

Our chassis is the third best and Formula1 is the race of development. Hopefully the next races we will see more competitive Ferrari. Our main rival is RedBull in terms of development race.

[REDARMYSOJA]

Ferrari should listen to the people on this forum because they obviously know more than the team. :-D

[wisepie]

If the engines have been frozen, and we don't seem to be competitive, the only option would appear to be to try to make the electronic ancillaries work better together thus enabling the ICE to work to its optimum capacity. If that doesn't work, then I have to say we're doomed again for this season. We're on the back foot already, despite the brave efforts of our drivers and engineers, but I still think it's a bit hasty to start demanding new aerodynamicists and designers unless their name is Newey. RB seem to be able to take it to Merc without the best engine, for sure, but all the power sources have to work together in harmony to achieve the best solution.:roll

[Gerhard Berger]

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

I don't really understand what is so funny. Costa is one of the best designers in F1.

But of course who i am to talk. Fry has done a much better job since he took charge. :rotfl

[Greig]

I don't really understand what is so funny. Costa is one of the best designers in F1.


Based on?

Fry is not our lead designer? But if you want to say Fry is our designer then you would have to credit the Merc to Bob Bell who Costa works under?

[RedPassion]

Based on?

Fry is not our lead designer? But if you want to say Fry is our designer then you would have to credit the Merc F2005(a dog)Bob Bell who Costa works under?
Nikolas Tombazis is our Chief Designer since 2007,the last two cars Aldo designed were the F2005(a dog) and the 248f1,so he is not the best designer we had.He was since 2007 until May 2011 TD,and Fry came i 2010 and he is rebuilding the whole damn factory there because it became imbarassing obsolete under Costa direction. So yes Pat has beeen doing a much better Job then Costa and now that Allison came along is even better.If Mercedes is happy with him and want to Keep him is another story:-)

[Senna4Ever]

Ferrari should listen to the people on this forum because they obviously know more than the team. :-D

to which ones?
to those who say glass half full and support the team or to those who say glass half empty and also still support the team?

[Greig]

"Everybody can support a team when they're doing well - that's easy. But it's like life, the time you find out who your friends and supporters are is when things are going wrong.

"That is a real test of good supporters."

[PadGeT]

Well first of all lets look at the names shall we ( as far as my knowledge goes) - Nicolas Tombazis( CD), Simone Resta (DCD), Lawrence Hodge (Pat Fry's RH man), Loic Bigois (Windtunnel Op), Ben Aganthangelou (remembered for the famous spat wid Newey around 2006 and eventually got kicked out),Alex Cinelli & Mariane Hinson (ex- Caterham CFD expert also got kicked out)
New additions this year - James Allison, Dirk de Beer (Chief aero guy) & some mysterious Lotus CFD guy.
I would say they should add considerable strength. But i can't say if its enough to outhink the Newey-Monaghan-Rob Marshall-Prodromou think-tank unfortunately.
As for recent future and further ahead Ferrari should look at hiring young potent designers & engineers from FormulaStudent programmes rather than going for marque names, as they have probably the right amount of top heads atm (my personal opinion).

[Rob]

@Greig

:clap:clap:clap:clap

[Gerhard Berger]

Based on?

Fry is not our lead designer? But if you want to say Fry is our designer then you would have to credit the Merc to Bob Bell who Costa works under?

Based on him leading the design team for Mercedes, which is the best car so far this season.

Fry is the one who replaced Costa as technical director, hence i brought him up.

[PadGeT]

Based on him leading the design team for Mercedes, which is the best car so far this season.

Fry is the one who replaced Costa as technical director, hence i brought him up.

And Fry has done a better job than Costa could do (in terms of mechanical performance). Just look at 2011.

[RedPassion]

true words man,Forza Ferrari:thumb

[Gerhard Berger]

And Fry has done a better job than Costa could do (in terms of mechanical performance). Just look at 2011.

Well not really, we're still stuck with the 3rd best car.

Not sure how you think we've done a better performance mechanically under Fry. The car really lacks traction for the third year running now. The F10 on the other hand was one of the best cars in terms of traction and braking.

[Majki2111]

Well first of all lets look at the names shall we ( as far as my knowledge goes) - Nicolas Tombazis( CD), Simone Resta (DCD), Lawrence Hodge (Pat Fry's RH man), Loic Bigois (Windtunnel Op), Ben Aganthangelou (remembered for the famous spat wid Newey around 2006 and eventually got kicked out),Alex Cinelli & Mariane Hinson (ex- Caterham CFD expert also got kicked out)
New additions this year - James Allison, Dirk de Beer (Chief aero guy) & some mysterious Lotus CFD guy.
I would say they should add considerable strength. But i can't say if its enough to outhink the Newey-Monaghan-Rob Marshall-Prodromou think-tank unfortunately.
As for recent future and further ahead Ferrari should look at hiring young potent designers & engineers from FormulaStudent programmes rather than going for marque names, as they have probably the right amount of top heads atm (my personal opinion).That is what I wanted to say...

[RedPassion]

And Fry has done a better job than Costa could do (in terms of mechanical performance). Just look at 2011.
2011 was Costas project.A donkey could lead the designer team of Mercedes or Red Bull,did you never heard of Rob Marshall?he is the chief designer of Red Bull and hardly a genious.They already had a very good wind tunnel,a very functioning organisation and a very good cfd department before he came along,he has nothing to do with the development of the team until 2012.When he was TD at Ferrari with all that budget he wasnt bothered to work on developing all these tools other teams already had,and he was TD for 6 years.

[PadGeT]

Well not really, we're still stuck with the 3rd best car.

Not sure how you think we've done a better performance mechanically under Fry. The car really lacks traction for the third year running now. The F10 on the other hand was one of the best cars in terms of traction and braking.
Wow u shud follow F1 more closely.
The 2011 car was as dog in suspension stiffness & performance, lacked the cutting edge development tools needed in factory. Pat Fry was hired primarily to get our technical dept up to pace with the front running teams(Mclaren & RB den) andhe was one of the engineers we were following since 2007 IIRC
And u fail to take into account 2010 was still quite new in aero developments from 2009 regs change. The differential performance was closer btw RB and Ferrari in 2010, but after a year u could see the leap RB took aero wise, while we got nowhere due to Costa.

[Gerhard Berger]

2011 was Costas project.A donkey could lead the designer team of Mercedes or Red Bull,did you never heard of Rob Marshall?he is the chief designer of Red Bull and hardly a genious.They already had a very good wind tunnel,a very functioning organisation and a very good cfd department before he came along,he has nothing to do with the development of the team until 2012.When he was TD at Ferrari with all that budget he wasnt bothered to work on developing all these tools other teams already had,and he was TD for 6 years.

A donkey could lead the design team at Red Bull and Mercedes? really? based on what? Why did Brawn decide to hire Costa? why not hire someone cheaper?

Rob Marshall is a very good designer at Red Bull, and was very good at Renault during the Alonso championship years.

It is the team principles job to provide his workers with the tools to complete their jobs. Faulty wind tunnel and lack of CFD lies at his feet. Nothings improved since Costa left, so you can draw your own conclusions from that...

[Gerhard Berger]

Wow u shud follow F1 more closely.
The 2011 car was as dog in suspension stiffness & performance, lacked the cutting edge development tools needed in factory. Pat Fry was hired primarily to get our technical dept up to pace with the front running teams(Mclaren & RB den) andhe was one of the engineers we were following since 2007 IIRC

F150 was weakest aerodynamically. In terms of mechanical performance, it was much closer to RB and Mclaren (but still behind both of them). Just look at the performance in tracks like Monaco and Canada (where mechanical grip is very important) compared to an aero dependent track like Barcelona.

Mechanical grip is worse since Fry took over. Look at our performance at bumpy tracks like Hungary and Singapore. Look at the poor traction we've had since 2012.

[PadGeT]

A donkey could lead the design team at Red Bull and Mercedes? really? based on what? Why did Brawn decide to hire Costa? why not hire someone cheaper?

Nothings improved since Costa left, so you can draw your own conclusions from that...

Not exactly our simulation tools have improved, track performance of mechanics and pit stops have been worldclass, strategy team got a huge boost wid the appointment of Neil Martin. Costa was known for being a suspension genius. In his area of expertise he got bullied by Fry imo.

[Greig]

Based on him leading the design team for Mercedes, which is the best car so far this season.

Fry is the one who replaced Costa as technical director, hence i brought him up.

So 2 race wins = one of best designers in F1 these days?

[PadGeT]

F150 was weakest aerodynamically. In terms of mechanical performance, it was much closer to RB and Mclaren (but still behind both of them). Just look at the performance in tracks like Monaco and Canada (where mechanical grip is very important) compared to an aero dependent track like Barcelona.

Mechanical grip is worse since Fry took over. Look at our performance at bumpy tracks like Hungary and Singapore. Look at the poor traction we've had since 2012.

I think watever Fry did, at least it wasn't as shambolic as 2009 and 2011. Just have to notice the state 2012 car was under initially it was a revolutionary step design wise such was the state of 2011 car performance wise, while other teams concentrated on evolving their 2011 ones. And before u start bashing our performance at the start of 2012, remember every team in the pitlane found it difficult to get DF due to ban of blown diffusers, and took some time b4 betting their aero in place and that was nothing to do wid Fry. Its amazing where the team finished eventually, had it been Costa god knows where we would have been at da end of the year.

[Greig]

F150 was weakest aerodynamically. In terms of mechanical performance, it was much closer to RB and Mclaren (but still behind both of them). Just look at the performance in tracks like Monaco and Canada (where mechanical grip is very important) compared to an aero dependent track like Barcelona.

Mechanical grip is worse since Fry took over. Look at our performance at bumpy tracks like Hungary and Singapore. Look at the poor traction we've had since 2012.

All this does still not mean Costa is some sort of design genius that we are greatly missing.

[Gerhard Berger]

Not exactly our simulation tools have improved, track performance of mechanics and pit stops have been worldclass, strategy team got a huge boost wid the appointment of Neil Martin. Costa was known for being a suspension genius. In his area of expertise he got bullied by Fry imo.

Track performance of mechanics and pit stops was the responsibility of Dyer, not Costa.

I'll believe our simulation tools have been improved when we are able to out develop the likes of Merc and RB over a season (or even match them).

Look at Fry's history - he's also a suspension specialist. I don't see how he's bullied Costa in this area. A car with a good suspension would perform best at bumpy tracks like Monaco, Hungary and Singapore. Our performance has been lacking at these tracks since Fry took over. You want to look at a car with great suspension - look no further than the F10. I remember at Bahrain there was a huge bump at turn 8 (on the long version used for 2010). Whilst the Mclaren's had to lift for this bump, Ferrari's just drove over it as i it wasn't there.

[Gerhard Berger]

All this does still not mean Costa is some sort of design genius that we are greatly missing.

I never claimed was a design genius. Only that he is one of the best ones out there, and we shouldn't have let go of him so easily.

[Greig]

I never claimed was a design genius. Only that he is one of the best ones out there, and we shouldn't have let go of him so easily.

One of the best which you based on 2 races so far this season, ignoring the disasters we had with him being one of the best?

[PadGeT]

I never claimed was a design genius. Only that he is one of the best ones out there, and we shouldn't have let go of him so easily.

I tell u this because i feel u are drifting from the problem at hand. Costa isn't one we are missing. Its our lack of exhaust related aero knowledge that is hurting us the most. Fry knew about this and consequently advised Monte to hire Allison.
Also if Costa was so precious, i believe RB would have poached him away from us along time ago. I would take Helmut Marko's advice over urs any day on dat front.

[Gerhard Berger]

I think watever Fry did, at least it wasn't as shambolic as 2009 and 2011. Just have to notice the state 2012 car was under initially it was a revolutionary step design wise such was the state of 2011 car performance wise, while other teams concentrated on evolving their 2011 ones. And before u start bashing our performance at the start of 2012, remember every team in the pitlane found it difficult to get DF due to ban of blown diffusers, and took some time b4 betting their aero in place and that was nothing to do wid Fry. Its amazing where the team finished eventually, had it been Costa god knows where we would have been at da end of the year.

I doubt Fry would have done any better in 2009 (just look at what he did at Mclaren).

2012 we started in very bad shape mainly because of the failed acer ducts. We did well to recover so quickly (by Barcelona, we were competitive again). However, we shouldn't have started so badly, especially considering we gave up on 2011 to focus on 2012. In the end the F2012 was the fastest car at Monza and maybe Montreal, that's it.

Last year, we started well, though according to Fry's interview with AMuS, this was because we essentially lucked into the tyres suiting the car.

[Gerhard Berger]

I tell u this because i feel u are drifting from the problem at hand. Costa isn't one we are missing. Its our lack of exhaust related aero knowledge that is hurting us the most. Fry knew about this and consequently advised Monte to hire Allison.

Bit late now. EBD's are banned now.

[Greig]

I doubt Fry would have done any better in 2009 (just look at what he did at Mclaren).

2012 we started in very bad shape mainly because of the failed acer ducts. We did well to recover so quickly (by Barcelona, we were competitive again). However, we shouldn't have started so badly, especially considering we gave up on 2011 to focus on 2012. In the end the F2012 was the fastest car at Monza and maybe Montreal, that's it.

Last year, we started well, though according to Fry's interview with AMuS, this was because we essentially lucked into the tyres suiting the car.

We lucked into the tyres suiting us? that's straight from the Red Bull excuses handbook.

[Gerhard Berger]

One of the best which you based on 2 races so far this season, ignoring the disasters we had with him being one of the best?

Well i thought our problems in 2011 were due to the wind tunnel?

[Gerhard Berger]

We lucked into the tyres suiting us? that's straight from the Red Bull excuses handbook.

Do you have the Ferrari F138 tailor-made for the 2013er tires? Adrian Newey doubts that such a thing was possible.
Fry: You had to have to be very smart when you read out on the basis of a test in Brazil in 2012 from the data so much that you could tailor your car for it. With us, there were only seven rounds. We have benefited from the general Chartakteristik our cars. They are nice to the tires for years. We rarely had problems with overheating of the tire. It had nothing to do with the fact that we have built a very smart car for these tires. It simply came by chance.

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/31825-Pat-Fry-Interview-with-AMuS

(AMuS is usually one of the most reliable sources for F1).

[PadGeT]

Track performance of mechanics and pit stops was the responsibility of Dyer, not Costa.

I'll believe our simulation tools have been improved when we are able to out develop the likes of Merc and RB over a season (or even match them).

Look at Fry's history - he's also a suspension specialist. I don't see how he's bullied Costa in this area. A car with a good suspension would perform best at bumpy tracks like Monaco, Hungary and Singapore. Our performance has been lacking at these tracks since Fry took over. You want to look at a car with great suspension - look no further than the F10. I remember at Bahrain there was a huge bump at turn 8 (on the long version used for 2010). Whilst the Mclaren's had to lift for this bump, Ferrari's just drove over it as i it wasn't there.
Ya, and where did our F10 finished in constructor's standings? 100 points less dan RB considering that Ferrari stopped their 2009 car development for 2010 and had quite a head start than any other team with the biggest budgest in the paddock.
And he did bully Costa. Remember its Luca who fired Costa and he has also had a preference for Italian engineers.

[PadGeT]

Bit late now. EBD's are banned now.

Still plenty of blowing going on (diffuser isnt the only thing). Thats what they are hired to do, Where do u think RB is ahead of other teams?

[Gerhard Berger]

Ya, and where did our F10 finished in constructor's standings? 100 points less dan RB considering that Ferrari stopped their 2009 car development for 2010 and had quite a head start than any other team with the biggest budgest in the paddock.
And he did bully Costa. Remember its Luca who fired Costa and he has also had a preference for Italian engineers.

Mechanically, the F10 was better than anything Fry has produced since.

And we don't have the biggest budget - Red Bull has a bigger budget.

[Gerhard Berger]

Still plenty of blowing going on (diffuser isnt the only thing). Thats what they are hired to do, Where do u think RB is ahead of other teams?

The turbo means that exhaust blowing is not very powerful anymore. However, i am still intrigued as to how RB are running such a massive rake despite not being able to blow the diffuser anymore. :-?? I imagine their very tight packaging gives them some advantages (just look how tight their rear end is).

[PadGeT]

:ouch
Its futile to talk to you sir. How can u consider a 2010 prototype to be structurally superior to our 2013 iteration, considering we got our 2010 car blueprint.

[PadGeT]

The turbo means that exhaust blowing is not very powerful anymore. However, i am still intrigued as to how RB are running such a massive rake despite not being able to blow the diffuser anymore. :-?? I imagine their very tight packaging gives them some advantages (just look how tight their rear end is).

No look at their floor and splitters & the use of exhaust varies from team to team.

[Rob]

The turbo means that exhaust blowing is not very powerful anymore. However, i am still intrigued as to how RB are running such a massive rake despite not being able to blow the diffuser anymore. :-?? I imagine their very tight packaging gives them some advantages (just look how tight their rear end is).

having high rake has nothing to do with EBDs, really. As it did help with them, but it just creates an aggressive angle of attack for the wings and difusser, and just helps giving a little more D/F at the rear.

[PadGeT]

To challenge Red Bull who lets face it, been the benchmark in recent years, Ferrari faced its toughest challenge yet. Its a big margin that the team has got to reduce and it wont happen instantly. I would say we need to look at who our weakest links are and remove them one by one till we get a strong unified core team to properly challenge RB and Mercs. We need to be cold and ruthless and push the limits (much easier said than done).

[PadGeT]

And we don't have the biggest budget - Red Bull has a bigger budget.

No we still have the biggest budget. Whatever RB hides financially, we can hide it as well.

[Senna4Ever]

Nothing to do on this scene
We have the best people already - even when we don't have the most of it ...

what nearly no one knows: due to our series from 2000 to 2004 and also again 2005 and 2006 we just had so sign a contract 2004 that we are not allowed to show to make the champion ships a little bit more exciting and not steeling show for others. Bernie will tell us if its time again ... Probably when his dear boy is coming to Ferrari ... So success is coming. Does anyone here really believe that we're not able to build the best engine in the field even we complained that F1 is too much areo?

[Hermann]

Nothing to do on this scene
We have the best people already - even when we don't have the most of it ...

what nearly no one knows: due to our series from 2000 to 2004 and also again 2005 and 2006 we just had so sign a contract 2004 that we are not allowed to show to make the champion ships a little bit more exciting and not steeling show for others. Bernie will tell us if its time again ... Probably when his dear boy is coming to Ferrari ... So success is coming. Does anyone here really believe that we're not able to build the best engine in the field even we complained that F1 is too much areo?

Wow- thats one heck of a conspiracy theory! Care to join CNN, they still need more ideas about MH370?

[Senna4Ever]

Wow- thats one heck of a conspiracy theory! Care to join CNN, they still need more ideas about MH370?

:-D not bad, right?
Just gave up on MH370 ... what conspiracy CNN is talking?

[Kyss4k]

having high rake has nothing to do with EBDs, really. As it did help with them, but it just creates an aggressive angle of attack for the wings and difusser, and just helps giving a little more D/F at the rear.

Oh, quite the opposite actually. The echaust gasses were mostly used to seal the diffuser. Meaning that they would "keep" the air from leaking out of the sides of the diffuser, when running high rakes.

I have to say, GB had a few good points here. For example the F10 was really mechanically a great car. I still remember the bumps on the "new" Bahrain track and us having no issues with them what so ever. And even before I don't recall any traction issues compared to the opposition. Don't know about 2005 as I was not really watching F1 back then, but I somehow believe, the issues we had were caused by tyre issues... ?

[Hermann]

:-D not bad, right?
Just gave up on MH370 ... what conspiracy CNN is talking?

Since that would be seriously off topic i'd rather not go there :-)

[Gerhard Berger]

having high rake has nothing to do with EBDs, really. As it did help with them, but it just creates an aggressive angle of attack for the wings and difusser, and just helps giving a little more D/F at the rear.

Gives more d/f at the rear by making the diffuser larger. However, you can only run such a large rake if you can seal the diffuser (which is where EBD was so crucial). Otherwise you will have tyre squirt entering the diffuser and ruining the clean airflow.

EDIT: Just seen Kyss4k has explained this very well.

[Gerhard Berger]

Don't know about 2005 as I was not really watching F1 back then, but I somehow believe, the issues we had were caused by tyre issues... ?

Yes Bridgestone struggled to make a tyre which could last the whole race and give the performance required over a race distance and over one lap.

We even started the season with the all conquering F2004 and it was nowhere in the first 3 races.

[PadGeT]

To Ferrari
- Chris Laws, Team Leader – Simulation Development (former Team Leader – Aerodynamic Performance), from McLaren to Ferrari, Jan. 2014
- Thomas Cepe, Composite Design Engineer, from RBR to Ferrari, Jan. 2014

:-D :topdance :-bounce

[Rob]

To Ferrari
- Chris Laws, Team Leader – Simulation Development (former Team Leader – Aerodynamic Performance), from McLaren to Ferrari, Jan. 2014
- Thomas Cepe, Composite Design Engineer, from RBR to Ferrari, Jan. 2014

:-D :topdance :-bounce

See, people keep jumping up and shouting that Stefano isnt doing anything to make the team stronger and better, been on a big recruitment drive. all across the board. It takes time for these big changes to gel.

IWe getting stronger in the weak areas, its been well addressed, just everyone have and keep faith in the team.

[pluto]

The cars have gotten worse since Fry joined and Costa was sacked. 3 years in a row fighting midfield basically is a disgrace. Its clear Fry and Tombazis must both be fired. I have faith in Allision who designed some super fast Lotus cars, but he won't be able to fix this 2014 mule. I mean seriously how useless do you have to be to get sacked at Ferrari? Why is Tombazis still there? He aint even getting better

[shamim179]

See, people keep jumping up and shouting that Stefano isnt doing anything to make the team stronger and better, been on a big recruitment drive. all across the board. It takes time for these big changes to gel.

IWe getting stronger in the weak areas, its been well addressed, just everyone have and keep faith in the team.

I agree that we've been getting stronger in our weaker areas. However, we took the eye off the ball in terms of our engine. I'm not sure what it is whether it is overconfidence, pride or complacency but something is definitely wrong otherwise Stefano wouldn't have reshuffled the engine team staff. That in itself is a serious warning sign that there has been a terrible failure on that front.

[Rob]

What reshuffle? (what have i missed?)

[Gerhard Berger]

Wasn't the head of ERS fired?

[Kyss4k]

What reshuffle? (what have i missed?)

Ferrari to reshuffle Ers and Kers

Preceded by what surely will be, under the commentary of my priceless friend of Robben: 'until they will go Montezemolo and Domenicali, however, nothing will change' (hello ADR and strength Bayern, God forbid).

After that.

Ferrari in the embarrassing flop of Melbourne has had its consequences.

During the week, they were replaced makers of the hybrid. To understand this, there are new heads to deal with ERS and KERS.

Internal promotions .

The names I'm not even them there to do, it is not celebrities.

The important fact is that the Australian events have had a train heavy. Style immediate reaction. Do it or die.

As the engineer Marmorini, the head of the motorists, has remained in his place, seems to understand that the feeling is confirmed that the F 14 T missing more than fifty horsepower (compared to Mercedes) due to poor functioning of the electrical and media endothermic to the turbo.

The reshuffle, in terms of units, it is a big one.

A Matteo Renzi even stuff that you could afford, at its entrance in the Palazzo Chigi.


Not my text, it's some Google translation from Leo Turrini blog: http://blog.quotidiano.net/turrini/2...er-ers-e-kers/ (http://blog.quotidiano.net/turrini/2014/03/22/ferrari-rimpasto-per-ers-e-kers/)

[Rob]

Ferrari to reshuffle Ers and Kers

Preceded by what surely will be, under the commentary of my priceless friend of Robben: 'until they will go Montezemolo and Domenicali, however, nothing will change' (hello ADR and strength Bayern, God forbid).

After that.

Ferrari in the embarrassing flop of Melbourne has had its consequences.

During the week, they were replaced makers of the hybrid. To understand this, there are new heads to deal with ERS and KERS.

Internal promotions .

The names I'm not even them there to do, it is not celebrities.

The important fact is that the Australian events have had a train heavy. Style immediate reaction. Do it or die.

As the engineer Marmorini, the head of the motorists, has remained in his place, seems to understand that the feeling is confirmed that the F 14 T missing more than fifty horsepower (compared to Mercedes) due to poor functioning of the electrical and media endothermic to the turbo.

The reshuffle, in terms of units, it is a big one.

A Matteo Renzi even stuff that you could afford, at its entrance in the Palazzo Chigi.


Not my text, it's some Google translation from Leo Turrini blog: http://blog.quotidiano.net/turrini/2...er-ers-e-kers/ (http://blog.quotidiano.net/turrini/2014/03/22/ferrari-rimpasto-per-ers-e-kers/)


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