Chinese GP 2014 Qualifying Thread

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Hoping for a good show from our boys....

Forza Ferrai

:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[Hornet]

Looks like the rain have stopped.

[fronaldo]

Hope for better qualifying..hopefully at least 1 car in row 2

[fratelliferrari]

:ferrariflForza Ferrari

[wacc]

Looks like the rain have stopped.

People still under umbrellas. Drizzling maybe.

[fratelliferrari]

It's still raining at the moment.

[stefa]

Good morning. It looks like light rain.

[tifosi1993]

:ferrarifl:ferrarifl:ferrarifl

[voiko]

Any live streaming feeds guys?

[stefa]

It is wet definitely!

[stefa]

Really wet :-)

[Uzair Ahmed]

Too much spray

[fronaldo]

http://squirrelstreams.com/?p=74

[stefa]

Visibility, from live TV looks like 0

[stefa]

good one from Fa

[Uzair Ahmed]

Alonso master of wet

[stefa]

KR +1.928 :Hmm

[voiko]

http://squirrelstreams.com/?p=74

Legend thanks you

[fratelliferrari]

Bianchi on Inters now

[stefa]

both red bull and williams cars in front of FA....

[SinanOzerS]

My God, why always WET ?

[FFFerrari]

It seems that Raikkonen is in real trouble to reach Q3. Let's hope the track dries a bit.

[diesel08]

wet, not to good for us

[fratelliferrari]

Based on Q1 it will be a hard task for Kimi to get to Q3. Come on boys you can do it!

[stefa]

It looks like usual 5th or 6th for FA....

[stefa]

11th.....

[Uzair Ahmed]

Wow kimi out..

[fratelliferrari]

Sadly Kimi is out...

[SinanOzerS]

Oh no Kimi...

[FFFerrari]

Ugly words. Many ugly words.

Go ALO!

[stefa]

great

[fronaldo]

Kimi out and Alonso maybe for p5

[stefa]

Kimi out and Alonso maybe for p5

usual 5th or 6th

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Kimi missed by 13 hundred's of a second. so close.

[wacc]

Kimi has beaten both McLarens :clap

[Alessandra]

Bad luck kimi:-s

[karvyin12]

real bad luck for kimi.

[fronaldo]

Rain really exposed our weakness

[SinanOzerS]

We could be eaaily in top 6 for both cars if it's dry. Disappointment.

[Uzair Ahmed]

Kimi was sandwiched b/w torro rosso and williams

[wacc]

Vettel is very good in a rain.

[Alessandra]

Rain not easing up. " light rain" now called "persistent drizzle "

[mirafiori]

Who is looking best bet for pole, sorry not near a television.

[stefa]

Mercedes! OMG!!!

[stefa]

Who is looking best bet for pole, sorry not near a television.

LH easy

[wacc]

Fernando has no chance to be better than 5th.

[Alessandra]

Fernando going out again

[mirafiori]

LH easy
Cheers Stefa, if you can could you post top 10 grid positions when qualiy ends thankyou.

[Alessandra]

Looks like FA taken 5. Couldn't 't ask for better.
LH, rich, vet, ros

[stefa]

Cheers Stefa, if you can could you post top 10 grid positions when qualiy ends thankyou.

ham, ric, vet, ros, alo, bot, hul, mas, gro, ver

[tifosi1993]

Well done Alonso.

[voiko]

ALONSO - great drive.. Best of the rest!

[stefa]

Clean sweep by LH

[fratelliferrari]

Well done Fernando! P5 was the maximum today!

[Alfa159]

Hope 2015 produces a better car.

[Uzair Ahmed]

31st 5th place for alonso says sky f1

[Alessandra]

Rosberg pretty lucky to take 4 I think.

[FerrariFanBoii]

Alonso now has 31 P5s of his career, the highest number of P5s in formula 1.

[fronaldo]

33rd p5 for Alonso

[Parabolica]

Hamilton, Ricciardo, Vettel, Rosberg, Fernando

[Alessandra]

31st 5th place for alonso says sky f1

Yet another record for Fernando :clap

[SinanOzerS]

Could be much much better than this in dry conditions. Hope there's no rain in tomorrow.

[fronaldo]

As i predicted before..

[OSS EL BOSS]

As expected, 5th place behind Mercedes and Red Bull is the Maximum under wet conditions.

[Hornet]

Rain really exposed our weakness

I don't think so, I think P5 is a good result. After what we saw in Bahrain, we're lucky not to have other Merc powered cars ahead of us.

[mirafiori]

ham, ric, vet, ros, alo, bot, hul, mas, gro, ver
Thankyou Stefa, have a good Easter.

[stefa]

Thankyou Stefa, have a good Easter.

thank you. You too

[Kingdom Hearts]

Good result by Fernando, no more was possible. Let's hope tomorrow is better but the RB looks very good.

[F2008]

ham, ric, vet, ros, alo, bot, hul, mas, gro, ver

Massa is P6, just behind Alonso.

[OSS EL BOSS]

Tomorrow we need a clean start and first lap, then we will have a chance to fight for a place on the podium against the Red Bulls.
But our starts and first laps were not so good in this season so far.

[Nero Horse]

The dry conditions seem to suit our car much better than the wet. After what we saw in FP yesterday this result is definitely a disappointment. If it had been dry then we'd have both cars in Top 10 at least, but oh well. Good job by Fernando but the end result was that familiar 5th place again.....well at least he can start on the clean side.

Hoping for a dry race tomorrow, and then we should see a better result for us as well.

[SinanOzerS]

The dry conditions seem to suit our car much better than the wet. After what we saw in FP yesterday this result is definitely a disappointment. If it had been dry then we'd have both cars in Top 10 at least, but oh well. Good job by Fernando but the end result was that familiar 5th place again.....well at least he can start on the clean side.

Hoping for a dry race tomorrow, and then we should see a better result for us as well.

There's no more clean/dirty side.

[hogo]

Rain was definitely in our favor. Too bad Kimi isn't good when track is wet... Oh well, I hope it wont rain tomorrow, I dislike wet races.

[fronaldo]

I don't think so, I think P5 is a good result. After what we saw in Bahrain, we're lucky not to have other Merc powered cars ahead of us.
I mean in terms of gap between Ferrari and RB..

[Laferrari]

orRain was definitely in our fav. Too bad Kimi isn't good when track is wet... Oh well, I hope it wont rain tomorrow, I dislike wet races.
no i was not in our favor, kimi out in q2, and fernando enable to fight with the bulls, that s 2 time where redbull is luky that the qualy is in wet because i defenitevely believe we are better than them in dry at least in qualy.As usual their car produce more warm into the tyre when nobody(except maybe mercedes) can do , that s help them.I believe fernando was possible to be in 2 row.I hope a good race for us , a great start from fernando and a fight for the podium.Kimi can recover in race because the ferrari is much better now and Kimi is a racer so , big hope for tomorrow

[OSS EL BOSS]

Rain was definitely in our favor. Too bad Kimi isn't good when track is wet... Oh well, I hope it wont rain tomorrow, I dislike wet races.

I completely disagree, yesterday we looked very competitive both on short and long runs under dry condition.

[fratelliferrari]

Massa is P6, just behind Alonso.

Iam very happy for Felipe! Looks like the Williams is a lot better in the wet than it was before! I hope for some decent points for him tomorrow :-D

[Alessandra]

Kimi having "small issues with down shifting " whereas Fernando "comfortable" and " a good result for us" , but "the Mercs are out of reach in dry conditions"

[stefa]

Massa is P6, just behind Alonso.

While I was typing he was on that place. OK. Thank you

[wisepie]

Iam very happy for Felipe! Looks like the Williams is a lot better in the wet than it was before! I hope for some decent points for him tomorrow :-D
Fernando and Felipe next to each other on the grid, wonder who'll get the better start???? Good job by both of them, shame they're not both in red but watch out for Kimi, we know what he can do from lower grid slots as long as Grosjean behaves himself. Praying for a dry race, though.

[tifosi1993]

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[Laferrari]

Kimi having "small issues with down shifting " whereas Fernando "comfortable" and " a good result for us" , but "the Mercs are out of reach in dry conditions"

I hope we can be closer to them in race than before ...we will see fernando can fight for podium, kimi need to react in race.I was watching yesterday time in f1 app....the average time was not representative because the 2 mercs stop and change the tyre before us and fernando complete almost (with tank) the race preparation with alone the soft tyre , i hope we can keep the tyre more than usual.This race is a front tyre demanding not rear so we can be closer to them and at the same pace then redbull.It s unbelievable that Riccardo is as fast/or faster as Vettel , who is a "the greatest 4 champ ever :lol" i believe now he expose himselft as a good driver but not a champion like fernando, schumi,senna,...he is a type like damon hill a good driver on a great car.Hamilton is killing rosberg mind , nico can t compete with him and i believe he is not gonna stay at mercs with him ,if rosberg start better than lewis we will give back lewis is money in the braking zone , that can help us with a crash between them:clap

[zike]

I hope we can be closer to them in race than before ...we will see fernando can fight for podium, kimi need to react in race.I was watching yesterday time in f1 app....the average time was not representative because the 2 mercs stop and change the tyre before us and fernando complete almost (with tank) the race preparation with alone the soft tyre , i hope we can keep the tyre more than usual.This race is a front tyre demanding not rear so we can be closer to them and at the same pace then redbull.It s unbelievable that Riccardo is as fast/or faster as Vettel , who is a "the greatest 4 champ ever :lol" i believe now he expose himselft as a good driver but not a champion like fernando, schumi,senna,...he is a type like damon hill a good driver on a great car.Hamilton is killing rosberg mind , nico can t compete with him and i believe he is not gonna stay at mercs with him ,if rosberg start better than lewis we will give back lewis is money in the braking zone , that can help us with a crash between them:clap

What worries me is our poor start

[Laferrari]

What worries me is our poor start
Last 2 year ferrari is one if not the best starter in the grid....and in this race the starting line is closer to the first braking zone so we can jump one of the redbull and maybe one merc....felipe can also past us because he is a great starter....p4 in First chicane is possible.I just hope nobody will crash one of our cars

[20000rpm]

I wonder whether we actually brought any updates. Yes some may argue that updates need not be visible but what matters is the result. SD blaberred about bringing updates to Chinese gp, the qualifying speak otherwise.

[fratelliferrari]

Fantastic photos tifosi1993!

[zike]

Last 2 year ferrari is one if not the best starter in the grid....and in this race the starting line is closer to the first braking zone so we can jump one of the redbull and maybe one merc....felipe can also past us because he is a great starter....p4 in First chicane is possible.I just hope nobody will crash one of our cars

You got that right, last 2 years.....but not this year

[Suzie]

What was Alonso saying to Andrea Stella on the pitlane feed at the end of Q2? Seemed to be something going on, but I didn't hear as I was too busy recovering from Felipe being an idiot who always leaves setting a decent time until the last millisecond.

[Hornet]

I completely disagree, yesterday we looked very competitive both on short and long runs under dry condition.
FP times aren't always representative of the true pace. Doubt we suddenly make a huge jump to the front of the gird.


You got that right, last 2 years.....but not this year
Alonso had a great start in Bahrain 2 weeks ago

[Alessandra]

I don't think so, I think P5 is a good result. After what we saw in Bahrain, we're lucky not to have other Merc powered cars ahead of us.

Yup. There's got to be some progress in that.

[mark p]

Wet weather usually creates larger than normal gaps but overall the thing I am happy is this was a comfortable 5th. Fernando never looked in danger of loosing out to the little teams. I am scratching my head for a good Kimi wet weather performance ever. He just does not seem to get on in the wet and not just with this years Ferrari but please give me some examples to disprove this myth I have created in my mind.....

[PadGeT]

FP times aren't always representative of the true pace. Doubt we suddenly make a huge jump to the front of the gird.




No , I disagree, if dry we will up there with RB. If wet, boring race from our perspective.

[SinanOzerS]

Fernando says he feels much more comfortable in the car there compared to Bahrain and he's hoping to be in position to take the fight to the RB's. So, the podium is not utopia.

[hogo]

I completely disagree, yesterday we looked very competitive both on short and long runs under dry condition.

You look way too much into times shown during PRACTICE sessions.

[Greig]

You look way too much into times shown during PRACTICE sessions.

Practice usually gives a very good indication of who has a good car or not.

[SinanOzerS]

Practice usually gives a very good indication of who has a good car or not.

First time i agree with you.

[sachin]

Missed quali but i think Alonso pulled out a stunner right?
But what on earth happening with Kimi?:roll

Hopefully we do something special in the race...
No bahrain repeat god:lou

[Kiwi Nick]

Kimi needs more time in the car. He essentially had one practice session, 30 laps total. Ricciardo ran almost twice that, 58 laps.

[Hornet]

For those who're wondering if we brought any updates, here's Alonso statement

Yesterday, the car was more competitive and that means we can hope for a better race than in the last three. I think that here in China, we have taken the first step towards improving; the car behaved well in all areas and is performing better on the aerodynamic front, thanks to the small updates we have introduced here and we have more power, having revised some settings on the power unit. Certainly, we are still a long way off the pace of the leaders, because they too are progressing, but we can hope to fight for better positions and more points
http://www.fernandoalonso.com/en/un-primer-paso/

We can look forward to a better race tomorrow (and shake off the Bahrain nightmare)

[blaney1977]

Im looking forward too the race now as i think we can get in amongst the red bulls tommorow. Mercs probably too fast buti think alonso can match the red bulls in the race.

[Rishu]

Massa is right behind Alonso & he usually starts well. I know so does Alonso but if he gets ahead, Alonso will be battling during initial laps, exactly what doesn't want to & mentioned post qualifying

[DIEK]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0Id4cFIrOGs

[Kingdom Hearts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0Id4cFIrOGs

:rotfl

[Forzi]

Rather disapointed with Kimi yet again. He's so far averaging 1 sec off Fernando. Massa rarely went past half a second. He needs to up his game badly and fast.

[Ed Harley]

Kimi Raikkonen: “The past two days have been difficult, because after yesterday’s technical problem, this morning I also only did a single run, but overall, I felt more comfortable in the car. Unfortunately, on my last run in Q2, when I was on my quick lap, I lost a lot of time in the final sector and that meant I didn’t make the cut to Q3. The car’s handling was inconsistent, as it was stable in some parts of the track and less so in others. I had some problems with the balance and this had an effect on my performance. It’s too early to say what happened, but the time lost yesterday definitely didn’t help. Now I want to concentrate on tomorrow’s race and try my best to end this weekend with a good result.”

If that wasn't enough he had also shifting problems which caused wheel lock-up.

[Nero Horse]

Rather disapointed with Kimi yet again. He's so far averaging 1 sec off Fernando. Massa rarely went past half a second. He needs to up his game badly and fast.

Yes, that's what I have noticed as well, Kimi has been consistently around one second slower than Fernando. To be fair though, Kimi has had more technical problems and less running than Fernando, so that's hampering him quite a bit I would imagine. But I certainly agree that he needs to raise his game.

[Ed Harley]

Until they get rid of technical problems there is no hope of raising one's game. And if neither takes places - getting rid of technical problems and raising one's game - it may be best to part ways after this season.

[Alonsomaniac]

Yes, that's what I have noticed as well, Kimi has been consistently around one second slower than Fernando. To be fair though, Kimi has had more technical problems and less running than Fernando, so that's hampering him quite a bit I would imagine. But I certainly agree that he needs to raise his game.

You're right. It is true that Kimi has been somewhat unlucky, but I too had expected him to be closer, he is not exactly a rookie. I think for the moment we shouldn't be too worried yet, but in two or three races it has to be better, otherwise he will be no bigger help for Ferrari as Felipe was in his last few years.

[Nero Horse]

Until they get rid of technical problems there is no hope of raising one's game. And if neither takes places - getting rid of technical problems and raising one's game - it may be best to part ways after this season.

Take a deep breath and calm down, you don't have to get so defensive as soon as someone dares to say something critical about your favorite driver. I'm sure that most Ferrari fans, including myself, would love to see Kimi getting good results. So just calm down.

[Suzie]

I don't think Ed was being particularly defensive, Nero Horse.

[Kyss4k]

Take a deep breath and calm down, you don't have to get so defensive as soon as someone dares to say something critical about your favorite driver. I'm sure that most Ferrari fans, including myself, would love to see Kimi getting good results. So just calm down.

It's not about favourite driver or not. You are just ignoring the facts. It's clear that he is not at Fernando's level now, but it's not like he is 1 sec down on him without technical difficulties.

[Nero Horse]

It's not about favourite driver or not. You are just ignoring the facts. It's clear that he is not at Fernando's level now, but it's not like he is 1 sec down on him without technical difficulties.

"Ignoring the facts"? :Hmm That's very interesting, because at 14:32 I just posted a comment where I said "To be fair though, Kimi has had more technical problems and less running than Fernando, so that's hampering him quite a bit I would imagine." So correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I'm "ignoring" any facts at all.

[Rob]

wasnt bad quali, podium is possible tomorrow. Kimi? :Hmm very odd, i know new team, new car, new rules. Hope sort the car out for him soon.

Bit of light, AF Corse on pole tomorrow..post 119

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/31874-2014-WEC-ELMS-amp-IMSA-news?p=840042#post840042

:clap

[bondilad]

Went for the qualifying today.....having heard the sound of the engines for the first time, imo they sound quite nice. Better than I expected but could be a bit louder. The ferrari engines sound the best and it has managed to retain some of the high pitch v8 sound. About the weather,not sure if it's going be dry tomorrow because even now it's raining quite heavily. But the locals say it's gonna be sunny and I'm hoping for a dry race.

Hope to see alonso on the podium and also a good points finish for kimi:-D

[sachin]

You're right. It is true that Kimi has been somewhat unlucky, but I too had expected him to be closer, he is not exactly a rookie. I think for the moment we shouldn't be too worried yet, but in two or three races it has to be better, otherwise he will be no bigger help for Ferrari as Felipe was in his last few years.

I highly doubt it what you say
Kimi can get consistent good results for us.
But not everyone is kind of a super human like Alonso,he is the only 1 out of the 22...
We need a better car ,more suited to Kimi's style and wait till spa:-D

[Hornet]

Went for the qualifying today.....having heard the sound of the engines for the first time, imo they sound quite nice. Better than I expected but could be a bit louder. The ferrari engines sound the best and it has managed to retain some of the high pitch v8 sound. About the weather,not sure if it's going be dry tomorrow because even now it's raining quite heavily. But the locals say it's gonna be sunny and I'm hoping for a dry race.

Hope to see alonso on the podium and also a good points finish for kimi:-D

Awesome. Please keep us updated on the weather tomorrow :thumb

[Nero Horse]

The weather forecast says it's going to be cloudy but dry tomorrow, so that should suit us pretty good. :-)

[Kyss4k]

"Ignoring the facts"? :Hmm That's very interesting, because at 14:32 I just posted a comment where I said "To be fair though, Kimi has had more technical problems and less running than Fernando, so that's hampering him quite a bit I would imagine." So correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I'm "ignoring" any facts at all.

Well, that is even worse :-) You know the facts and still are saying he is 1 sec behind Alonso. Hmm. Why?

[bondilad]

Awesome. Please keep us updated on the weather tomorrow :thumb

No worries :thumb

[Nero Horse]

Well, that is even worse :-) You know the facts and still are saying he is 1 sec behind Alonso. Hmm. Why?

I was just saying. He is 1 sec behind Alonso, which is true, AND he has had many technical problems, which is also true...both of these facts were stated in my comments above. So I don't quite understand what your problem is, other than just nitpicking for the fun of it. You must be really bored?

[Kyss4k]

I was just saying. He is 1 sec behind Alonso, which is true, AND he has had many technical problems, which is also true...both of these facts were stated in my comments above. So I don't quite understand what your problem is, other than just nitpicking for the fun of it. You must be really bored?

Oh **** I am reacting on wrong person... I thought you were the one who was "Rather disapointed with Kimi". My bad. It was ment to be for Forzi :oops

[Nero Horse]

Oh **** I am reacting on wrong person... I thought you were the one who was "Rather disapointed with Kimi". My bad. It was ment to be for Forzi :oops

A bit of a misunderstanding then, eh? Oh well, **** happens! No harm done. Next time just try to make sure you talk to the right person. ;-)

[wisepie]

C'mon guys, we don't need this aggro, yes Kimi is not proving to be any better than Felipe so far, same old reasons of bad luck and technical issues, so nothing much has changed. Fernando remains a champion with an under-performing car but it's way better than two weeks ago, Kimi can come through barring any accidents and watch out for Felipe's start, I'm sure Fernando will be expecting it! Looking more hopeful for us anyway.:pray

[Forzi]

Oh **** I am reacting on wrong person... I thought you were the one who was "Rather disapointed with Kimi". My bad. It was ment to be for Forzi :oops

Well, he was over 1 sec behind in Australia, Malaysia and today. His usual explanation is not managing to set up the car to his liking. If this goes on for many more races, will it really matter and will this explanation make us happy enough to forgive him his bad results? It's the result that count in the end. Fernando is managing just fine so the car ain't naturally hard to control, set up. So it's a Kimi problem. I personally wont start judging and flaming Kimi for a few races more, but if by half way of this season he still struggles, i'm not really sure if his excuses will really cut it for me or for most.

[Ed Harley]

Take a deep breath and calm down, you don't have to get so defensive as soon as someone dares to say something critical about your favorite driver. I'm sure that most Ferrari fans, including myself, would love to see Kimi getting good results. So just calm down.
Well, my resting heart rate tends to be around 46 to 48 bpm and I am calm. A tad calmer and I will be dead.

[Nero Horse]

Well, my resting heart rate tends to be around 46 to 48 bpm and I am calm. A tad calmer and I will be dead.

LOL :rotfl

[hrc5555]

C'mon guys, we don't need this aggro, yes Kimi is not proving to be any better than Felipe so far, same old reasons of bad luck and technical issues, so nothing much has changed. Fernando remains a champion with an under-performing car but it's way better than two weeks ago, Kimi can come through barring any accidents and watch out for Felipe's start, I'm sure Fernando will be expecting it! Looking more hopeful for us anyway.:pray

I think Kimi is still better than Felipe, at least he has better race pace and usualli make up places in race. Felipe had tendency to get good grid position and then loose places i race. IMO

[Suzie]

It's okay Kimi fans. Take heart in the fact that people are willing to accept that Kimi's issues are due to luck, set-up, accidents, car problems etc, and you won't spend 4 years listening to the ranting of pseudo head injury experts.

[Cheeseman]

I assume being a Kimi fan is like having a brother in jail. You love him but you don't want to talk about him

[Ed Harley]

I assume being a Kimi fan is like having a brother in jail. You love him but you don't want to talk about him
Why wouldn't you? There's nothing shameful about it.

[REDARMYSOJA]

So it's a Kimi problem.

I'd say there is some sort of problem with that half of the team.

[Kyss4k]

Well, he was over 1 sec behind in Australia, Malaysia and today. His usual explanation is not managing to set up the car to his liking. If this goes on for many more races, will it really matter and will this explanation make us happy enough to forgive him his bad results? It's the result that count in the end. Fernando is managing just fine so the car ain't naturally hard to control, set up. So it's a Kimi problem. I personally wont start judging and flaming Kimi for a few races more, but if by half way of this season he still struggles, i'm not really sure if his excuses will really cut it for me or for most.

This is what will matter. I don't think (yet) that he won't be fast after his problems will be solved. Remember Lotus? But if not, well I would be disappointed. But for now, I am able to stick to "new guy to the team with new regs and bad luck".

[Giallo 550]

Massa is really sucking this year. I think we should replace him. Oh... Wait...

[Silent Bob]

It's okay Kimi fans. Take heart in the fact that people are willing to accept that Kimi's issues are due to luck, set-up, accidents, car problems etc, and you won't spend 4 years listening to the ranting of pseudo head injury experts.

Well I for one hope that we won't wait four years hoping the driver gets better. When a driver gets in a rut, it's usually better to move on

[Ophidian786]

I have a huge amount of respect for Felipe Massa, he achieved a lot with us, yet at the end of the day, I really do not think he is even at the same level as Kimi: ultimately there is a reason why Kimi is champion.

There are those which will now argue that Massa ‘nearly’ became champion, but Kimi is definitely the wrong person to be comparing against for nearly winning championships. The guy was close to winning so many with Mclaren.

His performance at the moment is definitely not on par with Alonso. Then again, he has just joined the team - just look at Hamilton for example - flying this year. Even when he comes good, there will be areas where Alonso is strong and others where Kimi performs well.

In other words give him time, I do not think Suzie’s constant comparison to Massa is particularly fair (though he is just about performing the same). If 4 years later he is doing similar performances, then this will be a fair comparison.

[Suzie]

Constant comparison? Excuse me but why have I been singled out, when others have made similar comments. We've had people outright slagging off Kimi and calling him a waste of space, and I am not one of them. I've also said in another thread that it's better Felipe is at Williams now.

Having said that 'just joining the team' isn't really an excuse, is it. Kimi's been at Ferrari before, and people like Perez, Magnussen and Ricciardo are all BRAND new to their teams, so...

I don't like Kimi, I make no qualms about that. Didn't like him or want him at Ferrari the first time around let alone the second. But I think he will get better, definitely. That said, I sincerely hope he will be long gone from the team in 4 years so the true comparison which you seek can never be made.

[PadGeT]

Who knows if in the next couple of year Kimi wins it for Ferrari finally, den 4 yrs is only too short. :-D

[Suzie]

Ewww no :-D

[PadGeT]

:-G

[Ophidian786]

Constant comparison? Excuse me but why have I been singled out, when others have made similar comments. We've had people outright slagging off Kimi and calling him a waste of space, and I am not one of them. I've also said in another thread that it's better Felipe is at Williams now.

Having said that 'just joining the team' isn't really an excuse, is it. Kimi's been at Ferrari before, and people like Perez, Magnussen and Ricciardo are all BRAND new to their teams, so...

I don't like Kimi, I make no qualms about that. Didn't like him or want him at Ferrari the first time around let alone the second. But I think he will get better, definitely. That said, I sincerely hope he will be long gone from the team in 4 years so the true comparison which you seek can never be made.

I have no intention of offending you Suzie, I just considered you someone I can reason with: hence ignoring those ‘slagging off’ Kimi.

[Nero Horse]

I'd say there is some sort of problem with that half of the team.

"Well, the problem is obviously that the team is conspiring against Kimi and they all actually want to get rid of him, yes, that's the only plausible and logical reason why Kimi is struggling. If the team would only stop conspiring against poor Kimi then he would instantly be winning everything, no doubt. Ferrari rehired Kimi because they want to see him fail and get rid of him as quickly as possible. And it would be really foolish to think that Kimi's problems might have something to do with himself...no, of course not! It's all about the team conspiring against him and sabotaging his car on purpose, that is the ONLY logical explanation, there's just no other way!" :roll


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[Winter]

"Well, the problem is obviously that the team is conspiring against Kimi and they all actually want to get rid of him, yes, that's the only plausible and logical reason why Kimi is struggling. If the team would only stop conspiring against poor Kimi then he would instantly be winning everything, no doubt. Ferrari rehired Kimi because they want to see him fail and get rid of him as quickly as possible. And it would be really foolish to think that Kimi's problems might have something to do with himself...no, of course not! It's all about the team conspiring against him and sabotaging his car on purpose, that is the ONLY logical explanation, there's just no other way!" :roll


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Very productive commenting :thumb

[Nero Horse]

Very productive commenting :thumb

Thanks, your approval means a lot. :-)

[Muhammad Ansib]

http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0x0/popup/sutton/2013/dms1419ap318.jpg

The Car's nose seems good from this angle. and different than previous versions.

[Alonsomaniac]

I highly doubt it what you say
Kimi can get consistent good results for us.
But not everyone is kind of a super human like Alonso,he is the only 1 out of the 22...
We need a better car ,more suited to Kimi's style and wait till spa:-D

First of all, I said Kimi has been somewhat unlucky, so that explains at least part of his performance. But on the other hand he is a very experienced driver who came to a team what was not completely new to him, so I had expected a little more from him than he has shown so far.
I have nothing against Kimi, on the contrary, I think he is quite a character, sometimes even funny.
But Alonso is no superman, he is just another driver. One of the very best, yes, but that is just the same I expected from Kimi.
He still can prove that he is just that, but it would be nice if he started to do that right now, because if he doesn't he will be in trouble in a few months. You may doubt that, but I don't. Kimi has to do it right now.

[windwaves]

adding my 2c here on Kimi and FA.

It seems to me both are fantastic drivers, well you might say, obviously considering what they have achieved so far. At times I feel as if FA might have a bit more drive but I suspect both are there to try and get the best and win a title.

Personally I have no preference, I like both, but neither is someone like MS who could capture not just my heart but the entire team's.

What I really wanted to add here is that I am pretty confident Kimi will find his way. There is now way, no way, Kimi can be even remotely compared to Massa, we are talking different levels here. Of course I also really really wish so, that is, to see both Ferrari drivers perform at high levels, bringing valuable points home. Last year with Massa was just too painful.

[REDARMYSOJA]

"Well, the problem is obviously that the team is conspiring against Kimi and they all actually want to get rid of him, yes, that's the only plausible and logical reason why Kimi is struggling. If the team would only stop conspiring against poor Kimi then he would instantly be winning everything, no doubt. Ferrari rehired Kimi because they want to see him fail and get rid of him as quickly as possible. And it would be really foolish to think that Kimi's problems might have something to do with himself...no, of course not! It's all about the team conspiring against him and sabotaging his car on purpose, that is the ONLY logical explanation, there's just no other way!" :roll


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My point was, it is the same thing we saw with Massa. People wanted to say Massa had "lost it", but he's doing quite well in the Williams. Kimi had been doing quite well in the Lotus. Did he suddenly "lose it" too?

[Alesi1]

Would have like a dry quali to see where we were. Would have enjoyed it if we had made third on pace in the dry, just to sock to those a....s at autosport (Anderson and Ed straw) who wrote a whole article saying that our pace wasn't real. These guys are insufferable.

[brembo man]

Right now it's Merc, for the moment RB, and then Ferrari. Alonso and the team are working wonders with what they have for a car. They are just so caught up with Alonso's success with that car they forgot Kimis on the team also. No need for team orders this time around Alonso is the best in F1 today for sure, but Ferrari has to wake up and remember they have another driver also. Some habits are hard to break for sure!

[Rishu]

Right now it's Merc, for the moment RB, and then Ferrari. Alonso and the team are working wonders with what they have for a car. They are just so caught up with Alonso's success with that car they forgot Kimis on the team also. No need for team orders this time around Alonso is the best in F1 today for sure, but Ferrari has to wake up and remember they have another driver also. Some habits are hard to break for sure!

Never leave a chance to bring up Rubens agenda Brembo man :) This sport can not do without number 1 number 2 policy

[bondilad]

On my way to the track. Cloudy but no rain. Hope it stays this way. :thumb

[Kingdom Hearts]

My point was, it is the same thing we saw with Massa. People wanted to say Massa had "lost it", but he's doing quite well in the Williams. Kimi had been doing quite well in the Lotus. Did he suddenly "lose it" too?

Ia the same because we got the same kind of driver Massa was, someone that needs the car in a particular way to perform at his highest level. Alonso performs very good no matter what, you can say he is "all-terrain", if you add this to the fact that Ferrari is not making cars that are easy to drive or even fast, you find yourself in the current situation.

[brembo man]

Never leave a chance to bring up Rubens agenda Brembo man :) This sport can not do without number 1 number 2 policy

Your'e right about that. At least for me; this season has teamates fighting each other, Merc , RB, Williams and a few more. It's not just waiting to see who comes in 1st. Most shocking is Red Bull letting the new guy race.

[Rishu]

Most shocking is Red Bull letting the new guy race.

:lol

[impactX]

Alonso is simply hitting above his weight and nothing but the car is to blame. Kimi's role was to score consistent points but when Alonso can't even get a podium, it's understandable that the car has been crappy for the first couple of races.

But history also told us about how Kimi would perform when demotivated... so it's up to Ferrari to improve the car asap.