Angry Räikkönen hits out at motivation questions

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An angry Kimi Räikkönen hit out at questions over his motivation after he finished in eighth place during Sunday's Chinese Grand Prix.

Räikkönen endured a difficult weekend in China as he was knocked out in Q2 and came home in eighth, almost a minute behind Ferrari team-mate Fernando Alonso.

Räikkönen has achieved a best result of seventh this season, which he achieved in Australia, and is currently 12th in the championship but insists that it is his driving style that is costing him performance.

"A difficult weekend overall," he said. "For what reasons I don't know yet. But hopefully we find some reason or at least some cure for it to fix it, whatever it is. In the race [I was] just was slow. It was the grip overall, front and rear end, not really any major things I could say 'This is it'. In the last stint when it was new tyres, it felt pretty okay for a few laps but then it got difficult again.

"It's probably more to do with my driving style plus the weather. I don't think I work the tyres very hard. So obviously when it's cool conditions and wet conditions it's been many years that it's been hard to get the tyres working. It just feels that when you have a new tyre it works well until the grip from the new tyres goes away and obviously you have to go slower and then you start cooling down the tyres more. Everything goes round and round and you cannot fix that. I reckon it's more to do with that.

"It's the thing that everybody hates but there's not a magic thing and I can change everything in my driving and suddenly fix."

The Finn was questioned about his motivation but dismissed such propositions.

"I don't know why you always come up with motivation," he said. "If I didn't have motivation I wouldn't be here answering these kinds of questions. It's all to do with that. We have bad races and it's an unfortunate thing, but the aim is to improve and get where we want to be."

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/309714/angry-raikkonen-hits-out-at-motivation-questions/?

[Forzi]

Same issues like Felipe a few years back. Up until now, Kimi had the perfect tire working and managing Lotus, with overal grip beneath him. As Massa and Kimi have pretty much the same driving style, not really surprised he's having these issues. The new regs also don't really suit him either. Never really got why most were running around saying these new regs will suit him. Saying that he likes a loose rear end is just simply not true and contrary. Maybe the idea that he went rallying was the fault. He, as does Massa, needs a positive, pointy front and and a stable, grippy rear for their driving style to work. Which is what the Ferrari, and now most of the cars on the grid (because of the regulations) don't have. It's the same style Michael had, braking hard, throwing the front in to the corner, pointing it early in mid corner, flooring the gas pedal and correcting the slide if it happens. It's aggressive, demanding a lot from the cars rear and very delicate to tire temperatures, since if they fall, you loose front end pointyness and everything falls a part. It's also rewarding if the car actually delivers the grip needed. Might be the best driving style out there if your lets say in a RedBull or a pre 2009 car. We've seen it with Massa, we see it now with Kimi, with these new regs just making it worse (rear can't handle this driving style). Massa already said pre-season, that he had to completely change his driving style. Would think, Kimi didn't do enough work here. Fernando for one, noted, that he doesn't feel a lot of change in car handling. It's because his driving style is perfect for these regs. He likes breaking earlier, creates a lot of 'fake' understeer when going in to AND in mid corner. He just likes it that way, rarely going on kerbs, never demanding the car to have rear grip as he never really turns his steering wheel heavily, unless he suddenly finds lots of front grip in mid corner, making the back to step out. But that's rare and easily corrected. He just likes to constantly flow in understeer, away from track kerbs. A lot of times, you would see him taking wide lines, wide entries, without demanding the car to do much work, which is why he has excelled with the bad rear grip having car while driving with Felipe, and why he is even better now with these new regs against Kimi.

Overextended a lil with this post :-)

[SashAlex]

Nice observation, mate! After all, F1 is all about the overall balance between oversteering and understeering. :)))

[Hornet]

Hopefully Kimi will be able to adept his driving style (by his own admission).

And hopefully this put to rest the wild rumor about Ferrari plotting against Kimi :crazy

[Kiwi Nick]

The new larger front brake ducts and blown wheel nut could make Kimi's problems worse as they keep the front tires cooler. That may have contributed to his difficulties in China where it was cold as well. Hopefully it will be warmer in Europe.

[Parabolica]

"I don't know why you always come up with motivation"

Perhaps, Kimi, because your motivation is questionable?

It might have something to do with it.

[Ed Harley]

"I don't know why you always come up with motivation"

Perhaps, Kimi, because your motivation is questionable?

It might have something to do with it.
He has on several occasions mentioned that he does not have motivational problems. Why try to push this nonsense?

[sachin]

Keep Calm,Kimi knows what he is doing.:-D

But yeah, i am pretty confident kimi will be on top of his game once he gets a car completely to his liking.
Maybe still will be a tenth or so behind Alonso.

btw : Media you :furious

[Parabolica]

He has on several occasions mentioned that he does not have motivational problems. Why try to push this nonsense?

Is it nonsense? It's a common reoccurrence since 2008.

There were those at Mclaren who thought Kimi had a lack of motivation at times.

Now, if the bloke was a proven Workaholic it would ne nonsense, for sure.

That's not a label Kimi has struggled to shake off though.

[Nova]

He has on several occasions mentioned that he does not have motivational problems. Why try to push this nonsense?

It is nonsense..we have 2 of the best drivers on the grid. I think its on Ferrari to give them each a car they can race comfortably.
This headline is pure hollywood journo drivel. Close the thread.

[aroutis]

It is nonsense..we have 2 of the best drivers on the grid. I think its on Ferrari to give them each a car they can race comfortably.
This headline is pure hollywood journo drivel. Close the thread.

I agree.

[Giallo 550]

He has on several occasions mentioned that he does not have motivational problems. Why try to push this nonsense?

That's like asking a drug addict if he's addicted to drugs.

[Ed Harley]

Is it nonsense? It's a common reoccurrence since 2008.

There were those at Mclaren who thought Kimi had a lack of motivation at times.

Now, if the bloke was a proven Workaholic it would ne nonsense, for sure.

That's not a label Kimi has struggled to shake off though.


That's like asking a drug addict if he's addicted to drugs.

Kimi Räikkönen has always been known to be a guy saying things straight as they are period. And now the motivation is the thing he is lying about?

"It's **** all to do with that."

[Giallo 550]

Kimi Räikkönen has always been known to be a guy saying things straight as they are period. And now the motivation is the thing he is lying about?

"It's **** all to do with that."

I know he's the type of guy to say whatever's on his mind, but has he done it when his job is on the line? I don't think even the most unmotivated slob in any profession would answer "yes" if he or she was asked if they are unmotivated.

For the record, I don't think he's unmotivated. I just don't see how answering the question answers the question.

[Kiwi Nick]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NImumEW7QvI&feature=player_embedded



Power problems for Kimi at 4:25...
Good Lord that was awful. Barely kept it running...no wonder he's angry. It's not Kimi who lacks motivation, it's the car. I'd say 8th place was a miracle.

[Ed Harley]

So now he is a guy who would lie if his job was on the line? It shouldn't take long for the team to see that all his recent problems come from lack of motivation.

[REDARMYSOJA]

Maybe this will motivate Kimi.

[Alonsomaniac]

Kimi is a very fast driver, only, he needs a car to his liking. The same we see with Vettel now.
Now is Kimi really so much slower than Fernando? I don't think so, if the car is changed to his liking and still has it's raw speed, he will be fast.
The only difference between him and Fernando is that Fernando has this one unique talent: if somewhere deep in a racingcar real speed lies hidden, he will find a way to drive that car to the absolute limit.
Fernando will adapt his drivingstyle to the liking of the car and be fast.

[Parabolica]

He was unmotivated enough to allow the team to develop a suspension that hurt him and favoured Massa.

Admittedly, Massa was a really forceful character who Ferrari dare not upset, a Goliath of a personality.

Poor Kimi was a mere reigning World Champion.

Feel free to be in denial or to ignore Kimi's questionable motivation, but quite a few do question it and it has been the subject of doubt before.

It is too early to say if 2014 Kimi carries the curse of not being bothered, but it is no surprise that the question is often asked.

[Ed Harley]

Maybe the problem lies in the questioners themselves ie. their listening comprehension is perhaps not so good.

[Parabolica]

Actions speak louder than words.

[Ed Harley]

Best of luck on your chosen path.

[Cheeseman]

I don't question Kimi's motivation, I think it's a bit unfair. What I do question is, if Fernando decides to leave at the end of 2014 (god forbid that happens) is Kimi the guy to lead the team then? Will he pull off the same results as Alonso in an under-par car? I'm not convinced. I rate Kimi the same as Button, he is only quick when the car is perfect

[Katu]

is Kimi the new Angry Bird?

[Parabolica]

Best of luck on your chosen path.

There is no shame in admitting defeat.

Never having lost, I take others word for it.

[Kiwi Nick]

So now he is a guy who would lie if his job was on the line? It shouldn't take long for the team to see that all his recent problems come from lack of motivation.

OK, we know you're a troll, but anyone watching this video of Kimi's car in China thinks the problem is not with the car, they are stupid or a liar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NImu...layer_embedded

[Ed Harley]

Sarcasm indeed does not go very well with people from US.

[NickEice]

Maybe Kimi was like Pastor, and rather than turning right instead of left like Pastor, Kimi braked instead of accelerated!

In all seriousness, that was awful! What the heck was wrong with the car!?

[Nero Horse]

I think there's no doubt that Kimi is a great driver, when he's on it then he can be as fast as anyone, I just think that he's not as adaptable driver as Alonso and that is making the difference right now. But I certainly hope that soon Kimi will get a car set up to his liking and starts to show his true speed, cause as a Ferrari fan I always want both drivers to deliver the best maximum results. I would love nothing more than to see Alonso and Kimi pushing each other to the limit and fighting for the win every race. That would be simply amazing! :thumb

[Giallo 550]

So now he is a guy who would lie if his job was on the line? It shouldn't take long for the team to see that all his recent problems come from lack of motivation.

Reread what I wrote. If your boss asked you if you lacked motivation, would you say "yes," even if it was true?

[Ed Harley]

Reread what I wrote. If your boss asked you if you lacked motivation, would you say "yes," even if it was true?
Yes. He expects honest answers from me and honest answers he also gets. But then again we both are Finns.

[evo_spook]

He was unmotivated enough to allow the team to develop a suspension that hurt him and favoured Massa.

Admittedly, Massa was a really forceful character who Ferrari dare not upset, a Goliath of a personality.

Poor Kimi was a mere reigning World Champion.

Feel free to be in denial or to ignore Kimi's questionable motivation, but quite a few do question it and it has been the subject of doubt before.

It is too early to say if 2014 Kimi carries the curse of not being bothered, but it is no surprise that the question is often asked.


People are defending him, but really, all this talk of motivation is Kimis own fault.

He has developed this persona of not caring and only wanting to turn up and drive, leaving the track straightaway and answering questions with yes or no.


Thats all well and good when things are going good, but when they're not thats the time to dig deep, but sorry to say, Kimi can't now complain when his surliness comes and bites him on his cause its his own fault.

[REDARMYSOJA]

Yes. He expects honest answers from me and honest answers he also gets. But then again we both are Finns.

Because only the Finns get honesty, right?

[71dino]

I doubt very seriously that Ferrari would plot against a driver... they want the Constructors and that takes the points from both drivers... where do these stories come from?

[Giallo 550]

I doubt very seriously that Ferrari would plot against a driver... they want the Constructors and that takes the points from both drivers... where do these stories come from?

I agree. The idea is absurd.

[Kingdom Hearts]

I doubt very seriously that Ferrari would plot against a driver... they want the Constructors and that takes the points from both drivers... where do these stories come from?

They come from Kimi fangirls.

[Ed Harley]

Because only the Finns get honesty, right?
I don't know about that but it seems very odd to me that people are assuming him to lie by default in such a matter.

[Parabolica]

Honesty cannot be taken at face-value, that is the point.

Kimi, or you or me, saying it does not make it a truth.

[Parabolica]

People are defending him, but really, all this talk of motivation is Kimis own fault.

He has developed this persona of not caring and only wanting to turn up and drive, leaving the track straightaway and answering questions with yes or no.


Thats all well and good when things are going good, but when they're not thats the time to dig deep, but sorry to say, Kimi can't now complain when his surliness comes and bites him on his cause its his own fault.

Amen

[Ed Harley]

Strange are these modern ways.

[FFFerrari]

The trolls have come out. Please, do not feed them.

Kimi has worked a LOT more after his return to F1 than before. You can ask this from Lotus or from Ferrari. Yes, he was sporadically lazy during his younger years, letting his natural talent carry him forward but has really shown that he has grown and learned that hard work is the way to achieve things. Forzi made a great analysis of driving styles and I bet that he will have a lot less problems when Pirelli goes to the softer compounds and/or the weather gets warmer.

[abbottcostello]

People are defending him, but really, all this talk of motivation is Kimis own fault.

He has developed this persona of not caring and only wanting to turn up and drive, leaving the track straightaway and answering questions with yes or no.


Thats all well and good when things are going good, but when they're not thats the time to dig deep, but sorry to say, Kimi can't now complain when his surliness comes and bites him on his cause its his own fault.

So, if you think the media ask stupid, useless questions & try to make a story where there is none (which most of us fans agree that, in fact they do those things), the refusal to give long-winded verbose answers somehow gives the reporters a right to question the work ethic of a driver?

Or, to say another way, you don't care enough to answer our inane questions, so obviously you don't care about your driving, would you say that's accurate, Mr. Räikkönen?

Honestly, I find it so tiresome when reporters harp on these stereotypes they saddle people with, trying to make a story out of nothing.

[Alonsomaniac]

I bet that he will have a lot less problems when Pirelli goes to the softer compounds and/or the weather gets warmer.

I hope so, but on the other hand a real topdriver should not be depending on that - and I always considered Kimi to be top.

[Ferrarichamp]

They come from Kimi fangirls.

Claudie is back? :Hmm

[Hornet]

I hope so, but on the other hand a real topdriver should not be depending on that - and I always considered Kimi to be top.

Ultimately the drivers who can adept better than others will always come out ahead, and yeah, I agree that to be a top driver, this is a mandatory skill.

The are very few drivers like Alonso who is able to adept to the different rule changes and cars throughout the years he is in F1, and such driver don't come along every day. This is why we have been saying just because Massa couldn't keep up with Alonso all the time, it doesn't mean Massa is having problems or he's a bad driver, it's just that extra skill Alonso has at adapting that will always keep him ahead of his team mate, be it Massa or Kimi.

Unfortunately people couldn't see that, and now they are trying to justify why Kimi can't keep up with Alonso by blaming the Ferrari instead.

[Ferrarichamp]

But Bottas has outscored Massa so far, even though Massa is much more experienced.

[PadGeT]

Ultimately the drivers who can adept better than others will always come out ahead, and yeah, I agree that to be a top driver, this is a mandatory skill.

The are very few drivers like Alonso who is able to adept to the different rule changes and cars throughout the years he is in F1, and such driver don't come along every day. This is why we have been saying just because Massa couldn't keep up with Alonso all the time, it doesn't mean Massa is having problems or he's a bad driver, it's just that extra skill Alonso has at adapting that will always keep him ahead of his team mate, be it Massa or Kimi.

Unfortunately people couldn't see that, and now they are trying to justify why Kimi can't keep up with Alonso by blaming the Ferrari instead.

Dude, there isnt much of a difference between Kimi and Alonso in terms of driving skills. Both are near to perfect imo. Its just front end feeling thats Kimi's got to deal with atm, anywayz its too early for comparison.

[Hornet]

But Bottas has outscored Massa so far, even though Massa is much more experienced.

That's because in the 2 out of 4 races we've done, Massa couldn't score any points due to accidents that wasn't his fault. In Australia, Massa got crashed out by Koby while in China, he had a failed pit stop which drop him to the back of the grid. Of course Bottas is going to be ahead at the moment, if he can't then something is really wrong with him.

In the other 2 races where no bad incident happened, Massa finished ahead of Bottas.


Dude, there isnt much of a difference between Kimi and Alonso in terms of driving skills. Both are near to perfect imo. Its just front end feeling thats Kimi's got to deal with atm, anywayz its too early for comparison.
That is my point though, Alonso have the advantage in terms of adapting to any difficult or changing situations. The moment you say front end feeling or any other feeling, that is drivers adapting to the car's behavior.

[PadGeT]

That is my point though, Alonso have the advantage in terms of adapting to any difficult or changing situations. The moment you say front end feeling or any other feeling, that is drivers adapting to the car's behavior.

No it can also mean setup work. Also lets face it, Kimi hasnt got the same amount of track time as Alonso, not that its any of his fault. Thats why I say give him time, he will deliver. Kimi stayed out of F1 for two years, but instantly got suited with the Pirelli tyres. Thats adaptability for you.

[Ferrarichamp]

Raikko also had 1 or 2 incidents this year, at least one puncture as I recall. At the end of the day you can always blame bad luck, but Massa underperformed in his final years at Ferrari, that's why they wanted to replace him.

[Meiga]

OK, we know you're a troll, but anyone watching this video of Kimi's car in China thinks the problem is not with the car, they are stupid or a liar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NImu...layer_embedded

The video does not exist :-s

However, if it is the same one I have seen quoted elsewhere, it corresponds to Friday practice and not to the race.

[Hornet]

Raikko also had 1 or 2 incidents this year, at least one puncture as I recall. At the end of the day you can always blame bad luck, but Massa underperformed in his final years at Ferrari, that's why they wanted to replace him.

Yeah, I do not deny that. And I'm not saying Kimi is a bad driver, he's a good driver, but so is Massa IMO. They both found themself in a difficult car and I'm not blaming them for the WCC.

[Rishu]

No it can also mean setup work. Also lets face it, Kimi hasnt got the same amount of track time as Alonso, not that its any of his fault. Thats why I say give him time, he will deliver. Kimi stayed out of F1 for two years, but instantly got suited with the Pirelli tyres. Thats adaptability for you.

Adapting to car is adapting to it in all conditions, that's what Hornet is trying to tell you. There are no IF front end.......

Look at Ricciardo, he had lesser time than Raikkonen since they spent entire winter in the garage. New team, new rules against established team mate & look at his results, that's what adaptability is all about. And, I will not even dare to say Kimi is perfect like you suggested, it's like expecting from him something he is not capable of

[Senna4Ever]

Adapting to car is adapting to it in all conditions, that's what Hornet is trying to tell you. There are no IF front end.......

Look at Ricciardo, he had lesser time than Raikkonen since they spent entire winter in the garage. New team, new rules against established team mate & look at his results, that's what adaptability is all about. And, I will not even dare to say Kimi is perfect like you suggested, it's like expecting from him something he is not capable of

:thumb ... true true ...
perfect analysis for the moment ... but still some races left to close up ...

[PadGeT]

Adapting to car is adapting to it in all conditions, that's what Hornet is trying to tell you. There are no IF front end.......

Look at Ricciardo, he had lesser time than Raikkonen since they spent entire winter in the garage. New team, new rules against established team mate & look at his results, that's what adaptability is all about. And, I will not even dare to say Kimi is perfect like you suggested, it's like expecting from him something he is not capable of

We will see at the end of the season mate. As far as Ricciardio goes, I bet my bottom dollar, that Seb is going to finish above him in the final WDc standings.
But i did'nt get this part :" here are no IF front end......".

[Rishu]

We will see at the end of the season mate. As far as Ricciardio goes, I bet my bottom dollar, that Seb is going to finish above him in the final WDc standings.
But i did'nt get this part :" here are no IF front end......"

So whole adapting discussion is thrown out of the window?:lol it all comes down who finishes higher, be it if parts are produced to suit Sebastian? Hell even his boss confesses he is sensitive but maybe you are better at understanding Vettel than Horner.

http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport/story/155359.html

And as far as Ferrari is concerned, there were so many Kimi fanboys here who just like you promised us that Ferrari's last WDC would beat the hell out of Fernando & he will run away to McLaren, so far I am still waiting for Fernando spanking at the hands of Kimi.

[PadGeT]

So whole adapting discussion is thrown out of the window?:lol it all comes down who finishes higher, be it if parts are produced to suit Sebastian? Hell even his boss confesses he is sensitive but maybe you are better at understanding Vettel than Horner.

http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport/story/155359.html

And as far as Ferrari is concerned, there were so many Kimi fanboys here who just like you promised us that Ferrari's last WDC would beat the hell out of Fernando & he will run away to McLaren, so far I am still waiting for Fernando spanking at the hands of Kimi.

Who said I thrown anything out of the window.:lou I am open to any argument. I don't know who these Kimi fanboys are, if they are, then you should be Alonso fanboy,:wave I am saying that cause you seem to make fun of them by tagging such and such fanboy or fangirl who just blindly follows his/her hero.
Its not just me, if you ask any team managers, they would love to have them both. And as far as results go, its who finishes at the top that matters more, cause its aresult oriented sport.Heck, many of us here even forgot to mention that Kimi was doing fine in Malaysia in dry and in Bahrain he outqualified Alonso.
Wait a little more man, the spanking you are talking about is going to happen soon. :oops

[Rishu]

Who said I thrown anything out of the window.:lou I am open to any argument.

Then tell me why do you think Kimi is struggling? If he is a 'perfect driver' like you quoted. He is perfect, he adapts well but still struggles, doesn't make sense to me



I don't know who these Kimi fanboys are, if they are, then you should be Alonso fanboy,:wave I am saying that cause you seem to make fun of them by tagging such and such fanboy or fangirl who just blindly follows his/her hero.


Grow up



Its not just me, if you ask any team managers, they would love to have them both.

I know Fernando has been rated the best driver by most of the team principals. Can you please post links as to who wants Kimi. Thanks



Wait a little more man, the spanking you are talking about is going to happen soon. :oops

Ok , If that happens, i'll be more than happy as long as Kimi finds his feet & helps Ferrari

[Alonsomaniac]

To be honest, I had expected a little more from Kimi and I'm pretty sure most of us had the same expectations. And yes, there is still time for him to get his act together, but not a lot of time.
He has to prove that he is just as adaptable as Fernando is, and that could prove to be very difficult.
Alonso adapts to the car's needs, while Kimi wants the car to be adapted to his needs - and that is not easy.
Kimi is a great driver, he has shown that more than once, but I'm starting to fear a little that he may be as fast as Fernando in ideal circumstances, but that he is also not the complete package that Fernando is.
I hope he proves me wrong, we need him.

[PadGeT]

Then tell me why do you think Kimi is struggling? If he is a 'perfect driver' like you quoted. He is perfect, he adapts well but still struggles, doesn't make sense to me

I told you, he needs setup work cause he has done only 4 races with us. Give him some time. I never said he is perfect. Neither is Alonso. Else he would have ouqualified Kimi in Bahrain. You didn't tell me why you think that happened.



Grow up
Same to you mate. Substantiate your theory of 'perfect driver', cause he aint won the coveted crown with Ferrari yet mate. Once he does that, i would be happy to compare him with Fangio, Ascari and call him a Ferrari legend. Until he does that, Kimi is stiil the last champion Ferrari produced. i know its harsh, but thats result for you!



I know Fernando has been rated the best driver by most of the team principals. Can you please post links as to who wants Kimi. Thanks

Ron Dennis, Martin Whitmarsh, Eddie Jordan (ex),Peter Sauber, Chris Dyer, Stefano, Jean Todt, Newey, Horner, Luca Colajanni, Ross Brawn, Andrea Stella and the list continues. Go and look up what they said.


Ok , If that happens, i'll be more than happy as long as Kimi finds his feet & helps Ferrari

Agreed, as long as our drivers help Ferrari, we are all happy.

[Rishu]

I told you, he needs setup work cause he has done only 4 races with us. Give him some time.



Same to you mate. Substantiate your theory of 'perfect driver', cause he aint won the coveted crown with Ferrari yet mate. Once he does that, i would be happy to compare him with Fangio, Ascari and claa him a Ferrari legend. Until he does that, Kimi is stiil the last champion Ferrari produced. i know its harsh, but thats result for you!




Ron Dennis, Martin Whitmarsh, Eddie Jordan (ex), Stefano, Jean Todt and the list continues. Go and look up what they said.



Agreed, as long as our drivers help Ferrari, we are all happy.

Ok now you are really behaving childish

1. Give him time = Adaptation , you are contradicting yourself here
2. When did I say Fernando is perfect? you said not me.
3. Again, links please

[Rishu]

To be honest, I had expected a little more from Kimi and I'm pretty sure most of us had the same expectations. And yes, there is still time for him to get his act together, but not a lot of time.
He has to prove that he is just as adaptable as Fernando is, and that could prove to be very difficult.
Alonso adapts to the car's needs, while Kimi wants the car to be adapted to his needs - and that is not easy.
Kimi is a great driver, he has shown that more than once, but I'm starting to fear a little that he may be as fast as Fernando in ideal circumstances, but that he is also not the complete package that Fernando is.
I hope he proves me wrong, we need him.

+1

[PadGeT]

Ok now you are really behaving childish

1. Give him time = Adaptation , you are contradicting yourself here.
I am not.But constantly repeating so makes you one. Giving him time means he has been unlucky and faced too many problems during the races. Adaptation is done during track time, which hasnt been same for Alonso and Kimi.

2. When did I say Fernando is perfect? you said not me.
I didnt say either. Check what i said.

3. Again, links please
Go and look it up for yourself. There is google to help you. But to prove that I am not fibing, heres one or two-

Martin Whitmarsh: “Kimi is a fantastic driver, and I like him and know him well. He was with the team for five years. He is quick, he is committed and I think he probably would be very committed to beating Ferrari in the future – knowing him. All these are attractive things with Kimi. He is not political. He is absolutely straightforward – what you see is what you get with Kimi. And on top of that everyone knows that he is a winning driver. I think he has been underestimated technically. He is a very good racing driver and I think he would fit well in this team, if we choose to go down that route.”

[Nero Horse]

According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, Ferrari will focus on Raikkonen's car in the next 2 weeks to adjust it to his needs.

There, that should put all the stupid and ridiculous conspiracy theories about "Ferrari plotting against Kimi" to bed.

[Hornet]

I told you, he needs setup work cause he has done only 4 races with us. Give him some time. I never said he is perfect. Neither is Alonso. Else he would have ouqualified Kimi in Bahrain. You didn't tell me why you think that happened.


Not sure why you keep mentioning Bahrain qualifying, but Alonso had some issues with his PU. Regardless, points are not given on Saturday.

Anyway, Kimi didn't blame setup issues though as you can see in the article posted. He mentioned his driving style instead which he couldn't adept to the colder conditions in China.

You don't get months to prepare for each condition at each track. The drivers have to quickly adept their style on that weekend itself. So you can't blame the team for not giving him enough track time either.

[PadGeT]

Look at Ricciardo, he had lesser time than Raikkonen since they spent entire winter in the garage. New team, new rules against established team mate & look at his results,

Same thing could be said about Kimi in 07 and 06 and 05. Also dont compare with Ric & RB's case, they got car thats seems on rail in corners, where Kimi is strugglin atm. There's very liittle setup work reuired for cars like these, as they tend not to hurt the tyres in any setup.

[PadGeT]

Not sure why you keep mentioning Bahrain qualifying, but Alonso had some issues with his PU. Regardless, points are not given on Saturday.


Where did ferrari confirm this ?

Anyway, Kimi didn't blame setup issues though as you can see in the article posted. He mentioned his driving style instead which he couldn't adept to the colder conditions in China.

I dont care whats bothering Kimi. Point is I seriously hate someone mentioning one driver is superior to others here and there. They don't get it that at this level, you just have to give a good driver a race wining car and he will bring titles for you.


You don't get months to prepare for each condition at each track. The drivers have to quickly adept their style on that weekend itself. So you can't blame the team for not giving him enough track time either.
When did I blame the team for this? Wow, good job.

[DIEK]

http://statics.memedeportes.com/mmds/2012/12/MMD_54575_fernando_alonso_ready_to_troll.jpg

[Hornet]

I dont care whats bothering Kimi. Point is I seriously hate someone mentioning one driver is superior to others here and there. They don't get it that at this level, you just have to give a good driver a race wining car and he will bring titles for you.

Well, no one is saying Kimi is a bad driver. And I am also not saying Kimi sucks at adapting his driving skills to whatever conditions thrown at him. However I do think Alonso have an edge over him and most driver when it comes to adapting his driving style to the situation in hand. Doesn't mean Kimi is bad, it simply meant there are others who does better than him.

Kimi is not Alonso's clone, he is not expected to be 100% equal to Alonso, and you cannot take that as an insult against Kimi just because we are not saying Kimi is the best too. Look at every team out there, there are differences between team mates. Even in a superior car, Lewis is proving to be the faster driver than Rosberg. Does that mean Rosberg is bad? No, he's a great driver, but Lewis simply have certain edge over him which allows Lewis to come up ahead.

Why would anyone expect things to be different in Ferrari. It's perfectly common to have differences between team mate and you can't blame the team for that. Yet people would rather believe Ferrari is plotting against Kimi than understanding that it's expected to have differences between team mate and this doesn't make any of them a bad driver.

[PadGeT]

Thats your view then when you say Kimi is not to expected to be 100% equal to Alonso. But to our opponents both are fearsome. Tell your view to Mercs management that Lewis is ahead of Rosberg and they will say the same that difference in this sport is always minimal between pro drivers. Rosberg was faster than Lewis in Bahrain and will be ahead of Lewis in some of the future races too as will Lewis viceversa in the other ones. Same for every other team mates in other teams. By the way I am stiill waiting for Ferrari's statement on Alonso's PU in Bahrain.

[tifosi1993]

According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, Ferrari will focus on Raikkonen's car in the next 2 weeks to adjust it to his needs.

There, that should put all the stupid and ridiculous conspiracy theories about "Ferrari plotting against Kimi" to bed.

Not really happy with this news btw. They should focus on improving the overall performance of the car, otherwise it will be impossible to catch up with Mercedes.

[Hornet]

Thats your view then when you say Kimi is not to expected to be 100% equal to Alonso. But to our opponents both are fearsome. Tell your view to Mercs management that Lewis is ahead of Rosberg and they will say the same that difference in this sport is always minimal between pro drivers. Rosberg was faster than Lewis in Bahrain and will be ahead of Lewis in some of the future races too as will Lewis viceversa in the other ones. Same for every other team mates in other teams. By the way I am stiill waiting for Ferrari's statement on Alonso's PU in Bahrain.

It's perfectly fine if you wish to believe otherwise, so long as you understand that it's just a matter of opinion and it doesn't mean something is wrong somewhere if that doesn't prove to be the case. I'm not referring to you specifically, but there are other Kimi fans who chose to blame Ferrari when Massa was beating Kimi in 08 and 09, there are also those who accuse Luca of being bought out when Ferrari chose Alonso and Massa over Kimi in 2010. Now, we're seeing the same pattern emerging. Kimi did not beat Alonso like they expected, and so they chose to believe that the team is plotting against Kimi.

[Nero Horse]

Not really happy with this news btw. They should focus on improving the overall performance of the car, otherwise it will be impossible to catch up with Mercedes.

They're doing that as well, don't even worry about it mate. Ferrari has enough manpower to be able to concentrate on both tasks simultaneously.

[PadGeT]

It's perfectly fine if you wish to believe otherwise, so long as you understand that it's just a matter of opinion and it doesn't mean something is wrong somewhere if that doesn't prove to be the case. I'm not referring to you specifically, but there are other Kimi fans who chose to blame Ferrari when Massa was beating Kimi in 08 and 09, there are also those who accuse Luca of being bought out when Ferrari chose Alonso and Massa over Kimi in 2010. Now, we're seeing the same pattern emerging. Kimi did not beat Alonso like they expected, and so they chose to believe that the team is plotting against Kimi.
Nah man. I am not so immature as you might think. if Alonso outperforms Kimi, till the end of the season, then all those rants will be bound to stop, as will yours if the opp. happens.
Any healthy intra team rivalry is going to benefit both of them. So exciting times ahead, if it wasn't already with upgrades coming soon to cars.

[Kingdom Hearts]

then all those rants will be bound to stop,

Nop, they will be transformed into "kimi is not the same", "kimi is not that good" to look down on Alonso. It happen with Massa and it will happen again if Fernando beats Kimi.

[wisepie]

Yeah, I do not deny that. And I'm not saying Kimi is a bad driver, he's a good driver, but so is Massa IMO. They both found themself in a difficult car and I'm not blaming them for the WCC.

You're right, Hornet, Fernando has that ability to adjust to what is needed, Felipe and Kimi maybe not so much but we tend to overlook just how quick Felipe and Kimi are and can be in the right car. Bottas is ahead for the reasons mentioned already but I hope that Williams don't start to favour him over Felipe because he's ahead on points, through no fault of Felipe's, whose bad luck just keeps on haunting him.

[PadGeT]

Nop, they will be transformed into "kimi is not the same", "kimi is not that good" to look down on Alonso. It happen with Massa and it will happen again if Fernando beats Kimi.

I dont care then . Atleast i will be the one of the first ones to recognise Alonso's superiority then.
With Massa, I expected it. With Kimi, if it happens it will also lead me to apprecite Felipe's contribution more.

[Alonsomaniac]

In raw racingspeed, I don't think there is much difference, if any, between Fernando and Kimi. On one track Fernando will be faster, on another Kimi will be the winner.
The difference between them is Fernando's natural ability to adapt his drivingstyle to any car. That is something Kimi hasn't got. That's all I think it is.

[PadGeT]

The difference between them is Fernando's natural ability to adapt his drivingstyle to any car. That is something Kimi hasn't got. That's all I think it is.

Ok. Lets see him drive a Sauber and challenge Kimi then. ( m getting childish now and I just love it xD)

[Alonsomaniac]

You love to be childish........OK.....:dighole

[Winter]

OK, we know you're a troll, but anyone watching this video of Kimi's car in China thinks the problem is not with the car, they are stupid or a liar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NImu...layer_embedded

That clip seems like a sum of random takes from the weekend? It never rained during the race.
I know that Kimi complained power loss at some point during the race, was that the case shown in the clip?

[Winter]

Reread what I wrote. If your boss asked you if you lacked motivation, would you say "yes," even if it was true?

If you had tens of millions in your account, would you be answering anything to your boss?? Would you really have a boss if you would have as much money as he does and you wouldn't love your job?
He has a boss, he doesn't need the money, maybe, just maybe he just loves to race?

[J288GTO]

Same issues like Felipe a few years back. Up until now, Kimi had the perfect tire working and managing Lotus, with overal grip beneath him. As Massa and Kimi have pretty much the same driving style, not really surprised he's having these issues. The new regs also don't really suit him either. Never really got why most were running around saying these new regs will suit him. Saying that he likes a loose rear end is just simply not true and contrary. Maybe the idea that he went rallying was the fault. He, as does Massa, needs a positive, pointy front and and a stable, grippy rear for their driving style to work. Which is what the Ferrari, and now most of the cars on the grid (because of the regulations) don't have. It's the same style Michael had, braking hard, throwing the front in to the corner, pointing it early in mid corner, flooring the gas pedal and correcting the slide if it happens. It's aggressive, demanding a lot from the cars rear and very delicate to tire temperatures, since if they fall, you loose front end pointyness and everything falls a part. It's also rewarding if the car actually delivers the grip needed. Might be the best driving style out there if your lets say in a RedBull or a pre 2009 car. We've seen it with Massa, we see it now with Kimi, with these new regs just making it worse (rear can't handle this driving style). Massa already said pre-season, that he had to completely change his driving style. Would think, Kimi didn't do enough work here. Fernando for one, noted, that he doesn't feel a lot of change in car handling. It's because his driving style is perfect for these regs. He likes breaking earlier, creates a lot of 'fake' understeer when going in to AND in mid corner. He just likes it that way, rarely going on kerbs, never demanding the car to have rear grip as he never really turns his steering wheel heavily, unless he suddenly finds lots of front grip in mid corner, making the back to step out. But that's rare and easily corrected. He just likes to constantly flow in understeer, away from track kerbs. A lot of times, you would see him taking wide lines, wide entries, without demanding the car to do much work, which is why he has excelled with the bad rear grip having car while driving with Felipe, and why he is even better now with these new regs against Kimi.

Overextended a lil with this post :-)

Thank you for this my friend. The balanced explanation that I have been looking for! I do hope Kimi can overcome his set up woes and adapt as is necessary. :pray.

[Parabolica]

In summary -

Possibly Lazy Man Annoyed By Probably Lazy Reporter.

[Meiga]

Go and look it up for yourself. There is google to help you. But to prove that I am not fibing, heres one or two-

Martin Whitmarsh: “Kimi is a fantastic driver, and I like him and know him well. He was with the team for five years. He is quick, he is committed and I think he probably would be very committed to beating Ferrari in the future – knowing him. All these are attractive things with Kimi. He is not political. He is absolutely straightforward – what you see is what you get with Kimi. And on top of that everyone knows that he is a winning driver. I think he has been underestimated technically. He is a very good racing driver and I think he would fit well in this team, if we choose to go down that route.”

Last edited by PadGeT; Yesterday at 17:31.
Thank you for the quote. Now, please compare that long statement with the following, very short one:

"Asked if he wanted Alonso, who is under contract at Maranello until the end of 2016, Whitmarsh told the BBC: "Yes – any team would. He's the best driver. I don't know his contractual situation. I assume he's under contract.""

Now, I think that this is what Rishu was referring to. Nobody doubts that Raikkonen is a very talented driver; but people in the know seem to believe that Alonso is at a different, higher level altogether. Can Raikkonen beat Alonso on a race day? Of course he can, because there are many factors that affect a race; in fact, (almost) any driver in the grid is talented enough to beat all the others on a race day, and Raikkonen is more talented than many. But that does not change the fact that team principals, fellow drivers and pundits consider Alonso the better driver.

[Nova]

As always, the thread has turned into an Alo vs Kimi thread..which is expected. People think the driver should be magic if the car needs developed for their style. I see nothing wrong w/that. Ferrari has to make the cars right for their drivers for optimum points and raceability. Will Buxton has a blog about both Vettel and Kimi's driving styles and how the brakes are affecting their styles. It has nothing to do with Kimi is this or that. He is a pure racing driver period. He is different than Alo, as are every driver in the field, or in the world for that matter.
The way I look at it we've got a strategist who is fast, and a pure racer who is fast. Give em what they need, n they will deliver.

By the way, I think both drivers are fastest, theyre just different. Know what I mean?

[PadGeT]

As always, the thread has turned into an Alo vs Kimi thread..which is expected. People think the driver should be magic if the car needs developed for their style. I see nothing wrong w/that. Ferrari has to make the cars right for their drivers for optimum points and raceability. Will Buxton has a blog about both Vettel and Kimi's driving styles and how the brakes are affecting their styles. It has nothing to do with Kimi is this or that. He is a pure racing driver period. He is different than Alo, as are every driver in the field, or in the world for that matter.
The way I look at it we've got a strategist who is fast, and a pure racer who is fast. Give em what they need, n they will deliver.

By the way, I think both drivers are fastest, theyre just different. Know what I mean?

:clap :bow

[Winter]

Adapting to car is adapting to it in all conditions, that's what Hornet is trying to tell you. There are no IF front end.......

Look at Ricciardo, he had lesser time than Raikkonen since they spent entire winter in the garage. New team, new rules against established team mate & look at his results, that's what adaptability is all about. And, I will not even dare to say Kimi is perfect like you suggested, it's like expecting from him something he is not capable of

Ricciardo jumped from baby bull to RedBull. All data Toro Rosso had from Ricciardo was RedBulls to use. Ferrari and Kimi didn't have that kind of privilege.

[Rishu]

Thank you for the quote. Now, please compare that long statement with the following, very short one:

"Asked if he wanted Alonso, who is under contract at Maranello until the end of 2016, Whitmarsh told the BBC: "Yes – any team would. He's the best driver. I don't know his contractual situation. I assume he's under contract.""

Now, I think that this is what Rishu was referring to. Nobody doubts that Raikkonen is a very talented driver; but people in the know seem to believe that Alonso is at a different, higher level altogether. Can Raikkonen beat Alonso on a race day? Of course he can, because there are many factors that affect a race; in fact, (almost) any driver in the grid is talented enough to beat all the others on a race day, and Raikkonen is more talented than many. But that does not change the fact that team principals, fellow drivers and pundits consider Alonso the better driver.

That's what last three pages of this thread are all about but perhaps he wants to see it himself & nothing wrong in that, I suggest we give him time :lol

[Rishu]

Ricciardo jumped from baby bull to RedBull. All data Toro Rosso had from Ricciardo was RedBulls to use. Ferrari and Kimi didn't have that kind of privilege.

Really? How about Kimi's data from 2007-2009 which Ferrari has preserved? And what about tonnes of Vettel data that RB have?

C'mmon, give the kid some credit, he is doing well is Ricciardo

[Winter]

Really? How about Kimi's data from 2007-2009 which Ferrari has preserved? And what about tonnes of Vettel data that RB have?

C'mmon, give the kid some credit, he is doing well is Ricciardo

If cars from last year are from different country, the cars from 2009 are from different planet, that 2009 data has gone bad..

I do not want to take anything away from Ricciardo. Also I have nothing against Vettel, but I'm happily surprised to see Daniel ahead.
Of course Vettel had better chance to affect the 2014 car than Daniel, but still Daniel had better chance than Kimi.

[abbottcostello]

If cars from last year are from different country, the cars from 2009 are from different planet, that 2009 data has gone bad..

I do not want to take anything away from Ricciardo. Also I have nothing against Vettel, but I'm happily surprised to see Daniel ahead.
Of course Vettel had better chance to affect the 2014 car than Daniel, but still Daniel had better chance than Kimi.
I wonder how many of these F1 guys have difficult times with their every day road cars? They are worlds apart from an F1 car!

Cars could be from the Orion Nebula, as long as they drive them on earth, with gravity & atmosphere being as they are... well, they are still JUST CARS. You have the same issues of weight, balance, power, etc. to sort out.

If a driver excels with certain characteristics, the team is responsible to get it as near as possible, else they are not giving themselves a chance to succeed. Right now Kimi & Seb are 2 of the bigger names on the grid not completely comfortable with their set-ups. Both teams have stated this is something they have been & will continue to work very hard to resolve. As best as I can recall no team has ever said, "well, so & so better learn to like it because that's what we've built & we won't be changing it any time soon!"

[pluto]

Alonso sure is lucky that every team mate has problems 'adapting' the moment they become his team mate. He is also lucky every car he has ever driven has 'suited him'. lol

[Rishu]

Alonso sure is lucky that every team mate has problems 'adapting' the moment they become his team mate. He is also lucky every car he has ever driven has 'suited him'. lol

:lol

[Hornet]

Funny how when Massa couldn't match Alonso, people were saying it's his fault. But now suddenly it's the team's responsibility to make sure the second driver is comfortable etc so he could match Alonso, otherwise it's the team's fault.

[Ste]

Funny how when Massa couldn't match Alonso, people were saying it's his fault. But now suddenly it's the team's responsibility to make sure the second driver is comfortable etc so he could match Alonso, otherwise it's the team's fault.
Massa was given four years to improve. Kimi has had a couple of months...

[Hornet]

Massa was given four years to improve. Kimi has had a couple of months...

Doesn't that mean it's up to the driver rather than the team then

Regardless, I don't understand why there's a need to blame anyone. We've had difficult cars in recent years, I don't expect Massa or Kimi to make miracles. Perhaps people just need to accept that the result is as good as it gets until we improve the car.

[abbottcostello]

Personally, I never said anything about Massa not matching Alonso & I never wanted them to change drivers (accepted it because I figure SF obviously know better than me!). If Felipe never got a car that felt right for his driving needs after all that time (after his accident), well shame on the team if he was telling them or shame on him if he wasn't, but I honestly don't recall any consistent complaint from him that it was not to his liking. The BBW is giving more than a couple of the drivers problems this yr. for sure.
I just don't like the way the reporters say right away it's Kimi not being motivated, started in on him same way at Lotus, when it turns out it was probably the fact they weren't bringing updates due to money issues.
If this is Alonsomaniacs vs Massabots vs Kimibots, well I'll just bow out as I'm a Ferrari-nut, who happens to like Felipe, Fernando, Kimi & a few other drivers that have yet to drive the red cars.

[PadGeT]

Doesn't that mean it's up to the driver rather than the team then

Regardless, I don't understand why there's a need to blame anyone. We've had difficult cars in recent years, I don't expect Massa or Kimi to make miracles. Perhaps people just need to accept that the result is as good as it gets until we improve the car.

Neither should you expect Alonso to make miracles. He does what the cars potential allows him to do.

Alonso sure is lucky that every team mate has problems 'adapting' the moment they become his team mate. He is also lucky every car he has ever driven has 'suited him'. lol

I wonder the time when Alonso was Trulli's and Hamilton's teammate.

[Hornet]

Neither should you expect Alonso to make miracles. He does what the cars potential allows him to do.


When did I expect Alonso to make miracle?

[pluto]

Neither should you expect Alonso to make miracles. He does what the cars potential allows him to do.


I wonder the time when Alonso was Trulli's and Hamilton's teammate.

he was crushing trulli at the end, as a 23 year old. Hamilton is the only match he had.

[PadGeT]

he was crushing trulli at the end, as a 23 year old. Hamilton is the only match he had.

I hardly doubt it was crushing .
Teammate Comparison

Races: 33

Head-to-Head (where both finished): Alonso 8-6

Qualifying: Alonso 17-16

[ManFromMilan]

he was crushing trulli at the end, as a 23 year old. Hamilton is the only match he had.



Sorry buddy, but Hamilton is, in my opinion, only a match for Button and Rosberg.

Ramilton(Ron and Lewis) was the match for Alonso when he was at Mclaren.



I don't know why miracles are expected from our drivers when the car is not performing. Why do we need to stir up crap when we have, in Ferrari, the best driver line-up in F1?

Both drivers have shown that they are brilliant F1 legends that did not need the Press and Media to make them popular in F1. And very popular they are, because they are so good.

I find it absolutely unnecessary that so much bickering must go on about the Media's uncanny knack of spreading lies and disconcerts.

[wisepie]

It was inevitable that bickering and blame would surface if one of our drivers appeared to be less able to drive the car as well as the other, it happens in all the teams at some point unless they have a really dominant car, and even then there's a pecking order. I'm a Massabot but have had to accept that Kimi replaced him for reasons best known to the management, but I still support Ferrari first and foremost and accept that Fernando is a genius, Kimi and Felipe may not be quite up to his standards but they can be just as quick in the right machinery and I will support all three of them however much it goes against my religion to favour any team other than Ferrari. The bickering and favouritism will never go away as long as we decide to support one driver over another, that's human nature. I don't think Kimi is any less motivated than he was previously, and we all remember how he came back in 2007 to win the championship. Give him a chance, as many of us did with Felipe.

[Kingdom Hearts]

I hardly doubt it was crushing .
Teammate Comparison

Races: 33

Head-to-Head (where both finished): Alonso 8-6

Qualifying: Alonso 17-16

Now go and find how many mechanical problems he had in 2004.

[PadGeT]

Now go and find how many mechanical problems he had in 2004.

Yeah, yeah , whats new, everyone suffers from reliability. That also bloated Alonso's apparent advantage over Massa.

[Hornet]

Yeah, yeah , whats new, everyone suffers from reliability. That also bloated Alonso's apparent advantage over Massa.

lol. You keep claiming Kimi is 100% comparable to Alonso and yet you're so fixated on playing down Alonso at every post here. I guess you don't think Kimi is all that great either.

[Greig]

Yeah, yeah , whats new, everyone suffers from reliability. That also bloated Alonso's apparent advantage over Massa.

Did it really?

[Suzie]

Give him a chance, as many of us did with Felipe.

No.

:-D

[ALO]

"If this is Alonsomaniacs vs Massabots vs Kimibots..."

im sorry guys I know I am new but ive been quiet way too long on this topic and I feel I have to stir the pot a bit...its a proven fact that Alonsomaniacs are better than Massabots and Kimibots......LOL but Ferraristas are the best
:tongue

[Winter]

I wonder how many of these F1 guys have difficult times with their every day road cars? They are worlds apart from an F1 car!

Cars could be from the Orion Nebula, as long as they drive them on earth, with gravity & atmosphere being as they are... well, they are still JUST CARS. You have the same issues of weight, balance, power, etc. to sort out.

If a driver excels with certain characteristics, the team is responsible to get it as near as possible, else they are not giving themselves a chance to succeed. Right now Kimi & Seb are 2 of the bigger names on the grid not completely comfortable with their set-ups. Both teams have stated this is something they have been & will continue to work very hard to resolve. As best as I can recall no team has ever said, "well, so & so better learn to like it because that's what we've built & we won't be changing it any time soon!"

Well Kimi for example had some problems at start of his WRC career, when he had to drive against worlds best rally drivers. But as cars are just cars, I bet Alonso would beat them easily, he is just so good at adjusting his driving style for any kind of car.

[abbottcostello]

"If this is Alonsomaniacs vs Massabots vs Kimibots..."

im sorry guys I know I am new but ive been quiet way too long on this topic and I feel I have to stir the pot a bit...its a proven fact that Alonsomniacs are better than Massabots and Kimibots......LOL but Ferraristas are the best
:tongue

is that a sleep disorder, Alonsomniacs??:-ZZ :rotfl

[justjesper]

An angry Kimi Räikkönen hit out at questions over his motivation after he finished in eighth place during Sunday's Chinese Grand Prix.

What a mis leading headline and bad journalism. LOL

[Nero Horse]

What a mis leading headline and bad journalism. LOL

Yes, I tend to agree. But what else could you expect from a scandal-hungry media? They just want to create stories that sell and the truth is always of secondary or even tertiary importance to them.

[wisepie]

No.

:-D

Sorry Suzie, I really sympathise with your views and indeed share them to a point, but I am still a tifoso AND a Massabot, and I want Ferrari to be winners again, and the odd no 19 Williams podium or win would add to the pleasure!

[Alonsomaniac]

"If this is Alonsomaniacs vs Massabots vs Kimibots..."

im sorry guys I know I am new but ive been quiet way too long on this topic and I feel I have to stir the pot a bit...its a proven fact that Alonsomniacs are better than Massabots and Kimibots......LOL but Ferraristas are the best
:tongue


Alonsomaniacs? Please leave me out of this.....:lol......I'm just a Ferrarifan with a favourite driver, that's all.

[abbottcostello]

Alonsomaniacs? Please leave me out of this.....:lol......I'm just a Ferrarifan with a favourite driver, that's all.
Ah, but that username is such a giveaway :rotfl:rotfl

[f1worldtour.com]

Kimi Kimi what are we going to do with him?
let's just do something simple here, the Ferrari team should let him drive Alonso's car, yes adjust it as best they can for his body, let him whip it round the track several times, if the problems are the same as his own car 'or he feels they are' Kimi is the problem!
f1worldtour.com

[Nomore]

I wonder the time when Alonso was Trulli's and Hamilton's teammate.

He beat Trulli.

(109) Hamilton + Mcladren+ Ronn Drenis + 100 ml$ + 0 WCC = (109) Alonso.


Yeah, yeah , whats new, everyone suffers from reliability. That also bloated Alonso's apparent advantage over Massa..

Sorry mate but you are wrong, comparing reliability problems between drivers of different teams is not good, but comparing reliability problems for drivers driving the same car is worth of it....Alonso in 2004, Kimi in 2005, Hamilton in 2012 have been unlucky respectively to Trulli, Montoya, Button.

[J288GTO]

As a Kimi fan I would concede at least a tenth to Alonso. I love them both however and I know we have the best pairing on the grid which is what matters.

That is the main issue with Ferrari. Alonso disguises how bad the car really is and has done since he joined. Focus on improving the car's overall performance rather than making the best of a bad package. Once Kimi gets around his issues both cars should do better.

As for Ferrari fans who moan about their drivers rather than supporting them, hope I don't bump into you at Monza...

[Greig]

As for Ferrari fans who moan about their drivers rather than supporting them, hope I don't bump into you at Monza...

Why what will you do?

[ALO]

Ah, but that username is such a giveaway :rotfl:rotfl

What do you mean? seems like a clever disguise to me. ;-) LOL

[IulianFerrari]

Calm down guys, he is one of the best on the grid. He will get it right.

Eric Boullier, McLaren racing director
"Magical. I was following the Prost-Senna battle very carefully when both were driving for McLaren. It was very interesting to see someone analytical like Prost having to cope with somebody sublime like Senna. Probably Kimi (Raikkonen) comes closest to that today. He can also be sublime and magical - sometimes."

[Greig]

The "sometimes" comment at the end sums it up perfectly.

[AfterLife]

Calm down guys, he is one of the best on the grid. He will get it right.

Eric Boullier, McLaren racing director
"Magical. I was following the Prost-Senna battle very carefully when both were driving for McLaren. It was very interesting to see someone analytical like Prost having to cope with somebody sublime like Senna. Probably Kimi (Raikkonen) comes closest to that today. He can also be sublime and magical - sometimes."

As far as i know Senna was analytical and very devoted person to Formula 1.

[IulianFerrari]

As far as i know Senna was analytical and very devoted person to Formula 1.
The analytical one was Prost, one of the best in that category, alongside with the likes of Lauda.

[Nero Horse]

The analytical one was Prost, one of the best in that category, alongside with the likes of Lauda.

And Schumacher.

[abbottcostello]

Prost was also better at playing the political game, kissing the FIA's.... ahhhh... ring! I guess you might call that analytical?

[ManFromMilan]

Prost was also better at playing the political game, kissing the FIA's.... ahhhh... ring! I guess you might call that analytical?




Prost only played the political game and the FIA well because he had Jean-Marie Balestre "in his pocket".

I would call him more a deceiver and a sly crook that an analytical genius in my opinion.

But then again there is still people saying that Bernie is a saint...

[Cheeseman]

As for Ferrari fans who moan about their drivers rather than supporting them, hope I don't bump into you at Monza...

You better hope so, spending race day at an Italian A&E will be a miserable time for you. Just another keyboard warrior with a big mouth aren't you? :lol

[abbottcostello]

Prost only played the political game and the FIA well because he had Jean-Marie Balestre "in his pocket".

I would call him more a deceiver and a sly crook that an analytical genius in my opinion.

But then again there is still people saying that Bernie is a saint...

I could not say it any better! :thumb

Saint Bernard, they named the dogs after him, no? :-D