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PURE PASSION
25th April 2014, 18:59
It’s been twenty years since Ayrton Senna passed away in the tragic San Marino Grand Prix at Imola. But as it comes up, maybe the story of his life could have been different if instead of Williams, he drove a Ferrari. That was close to happen, with a contract that never confirmed with Ferrari a few years earlier. Let’s look back with the latest facts that came up and learn about the contract that never was signed, which would probably have changed the whole F1 history
In the early 2000s, I was told that a pre-contract, or more correctly a letter of intent, existed between Ayrton Senna and Cesare Fiorio, team manager of Ferrari from 1989 until the Monaco GP two years later, for the Brazilian to race for Ferrari in ’91 and ‘92. The legend had it that Fioro possessed the pre-contract and kept it in his safe. So this year, I decided to seek out the first-hand story of this agreement.

“My priority when I went to Ferrari in 1989 was to have the best available driver”, remembers Mr. Fiorio, “And of course Senna was first on my shopping list, second was [Alain] Prost and of course [Nigel] Mansell whom I had in the team. My goal was to replace Gerhard Berger with Senna, so I started talks immediately. Senna pointed out that he had a contract for next year, so we could not do any deal. We decided to talk again soon. I managed to bring Prost to the team [for 1990] who created a very good lineup with Mansell.”

“In 1990, I tried again to speak with Ayrton, who was interested in coming to Ferrari, so the initial approach was very easy, since we both wanted to collaborate. After the Brazilian GP of 1990, a race we won with Alain, I didn’t leave Sao Paolo on Sunday evening and I stayed for one more day. Senna sent a chauffeur to pick me up from my hotel and he drove me to his house. I remember staying there from 9 in the morning to 7 in the afternoon to talk about all the issues, because later I had a flight to catch. There were no managers, no lawyers, just me and him. We stopped the conversation for a quick lunch with members of his family and we went back on. At the end of the day we had solved the 80% of the issues, and practically the 80% of the deal was done. We said goodbye with the aim to speak again in the near future.”

“The near future was the Thursday before the French GP that took place at Le Castellet, at the start of July. We used to travel with a private plane to the track, so the plane made a stop to Nice and I went out. The rest continued. I went to see Ayrton at his home in Monaco. We continued the talks to finish the rest 20% that was remaining and some other small issues, like the fact that he had a Nacional Sponsorship on his cap while we had reserved it for Philipp Morris. But those are details if you had to bring in Senna to Ferrari.”

So when Fiorio went back to Maranello after the French GP, a race that Ferrari won, he wrote a letter of intent, noting all the issues they discussed and he sent it to Senna so he could sign and return it from his fax machine.

“This was used, as to say, against me from the Ferrari President, Mr. Piero Fusaro, who started a personal war against me and he couldn’t win. I took over the team and brought success, but he found a system and by that he beat me. Fusaro went to Prost with the LOI and informed him that I was trying to bring in Senna. From that moment onwards, I had trouble in my collaboration with Prost. Things started getting very complicated and the situation went unbearable. So I had to quit”.
“So that transfer was never completed. I kept this document in my safe for almost 20 years and recently I thought this should come out. I even wrote a book about that.”
In the early 2000s, I was told that a pre-contract, or more correctly a letter of intent, existed between Ayrton Senna and Cesare Fiorio, team manager of Ferrari from 1989 until the Monaco GP two years later, for the Brazilian to race for Ferrari in ’91 and ‘92. The legend had it that Fioro possessed the pre-contract and kept it in his safe. So this year, I decided to seek out the first-hand story of this agreement.

“My priority when I went to Ferrari in 1989 was to have the best available driver”, remembers Mr. Fiorio, “And of course Senna was first on my shopping list, second was [Alain] Prost and of course [Nigel] Mansell whom I had in the team. My goal was to replace Gerhard Berger with Senna, so I started talks immediately. Senna pointed out that he had a contract for next year, so we could not do any deal. We decided to talk again soon. I managed to bring Prost to the team [for 1990] who created a very good lineup with Mansell.”

“In 1990, I tried again to speak with Ayrton, who was interested in coming to Ferrari, so the initial approach was very easy, since we both wanted to collaborate. After the Brazilian GP of 1990, a race we won with Alain, I didn’t leave Sao Paolo on Sunday evening and I stayed for one more day. Senna sent a chauffeur to pick me up from my hotel and he drove me to his house. I remember staying there from 9 in the morning to 7 in the afternoon to talk about all the issues, because later I had a flight to catch. There were no managers, no lawyers, just me and him. We stopped the conversation for a quick lunch with members of his family and we went back on. At the end of the day we had solved the 80% of the issues, and practically the 80% of the deal was done. We said goodbye with the aim to speak again in the near future.”

“The near future was the Thursday before the French GP that took place at Le Castellet, at the start of July. We used to travel with a private plane to the track, so the plane made a stop to Nice and I went out. The rest continued. I went to see Ayrton at his home in Monaco. We continued the talks to finish the rest 20% that was remaining and some other small issues, like the fact that he had a Nacional Sponsorship on his cap while we had reserved it for Philipp Morris. But those are details if you had to bring in Senna to Ferrari.”

So when Fiorio went back to Maranello after the French GP, a race that Ferrari won, he wrote a letter of intent, noting all the issues they discussed and he sent it to Senna so he could sign and return it from his fax machine.

“This was used, as to say, against me from the Ferrari President, Mr. Piero Fusaro, who started a personal war against me and he couldn’t win. I took over the team and brought success, but he found a system and by that he beat me. Fusaro went to Prost with the LOI and informed him that I was trying to bring in Senna. From that moment onwards, I had trouble in my collaboration with Prost. Things started getting very complicated and the situation went unbearable. So I had to quit”.
“So that transfer was never completed. I kept this document in my safe for almost 20 years and recently I thought this should come out. I even wrote a book about that.”
In the early 2000s, I was told that a pre-contract, or more correctly a letter of intent, existed between Ayrton Senna and Cesare Fiorio, team manager of Ferrari from 1989 until the Monaco GP two years later, for the Brazilian to race for Ferrari in ’91 and ‘92. The legend had it that Fioro possessed the pre-contract and kept it in his safe. So this year, I decided to seek out the first-hand story of this agreement.

“My priority when I went to Ferrari in 1989 was to have the best available driver”, remembers Mr. Fiorio, “And of course Senna was first on my shopping list, second was [Alain] Prost and of course [Nigel] Mansell whom I had in the team. My goal was to replace Gerhard Berger with Senna, so I started talks immediately. Senna pointed out that he had a contract for next year, so we could not do any deal. We decided to talk again soon. I managed to bring Prost to the team [for 1990] who created a very good lineup with Mansell.”

“In 1990, I tried again to speak with Ayrton, who was interested in coming to Ferrari, so the initial approach was very easy, since we both wanted to collaborate. After the Brazilian GP of 1990, a race we won with Alain, I didn’t leave Sao Paolo on Sunday evening and I stayed for one more day. Senna sent a chauffeur to pick me up from my hotel and he drove me to his house. I remember staying there from 9 in the morning to 7 in the afternoon to talk about all the issues, because later I had a flight to catch. There were no managers, no lawyers, just me and him. We stopped the conversation for a quick lunch with members of his family and we went back on. At the end of the day we had solved the 80% of the issues, and practically the 80% of the deal was done. We said goodbye with the aim to speak again in the near future.”

“The near future was the Thursday before the French GP that took place at Le Castellet, at the start of July. We used to travel with a private plane to the track, so the plane made a stop to Nice and I went out. The rest continued. I went to see Ayrton at his home in Monaco. We continued the talks to finish the rest 20% that was remaining and some other small issues, like the fact that he had a Nacional Sponsorship on his cap while we had reserved it for Philipp Morris. But those are details if you had to bring in Senna to Ferrari.”

So when Fiorio went back to Maranello after the French GP, a race that Ferrari won, he wrote a letter of intent, noting all the issues they discussed and he sent it to Senna so he could sign and return it from his fax machine.

“This was used, as to say, against me from the Ferrari President, Mr. Piero Fusaro, who started a personal war against me and he couldn’t win. I took over the team and brought success, but he found a system and by that he beat me. Fusaro went to Prost with the LOI and informed him that I was trying to bring in Senna. From that moment onwards, I had trouble in my collaboration with Prost. Things started getting very complicated and the situation went unbearable. So I had to quit”.
“So that transfer was never completed. I kept this document in my safe for almost 20 years and recently I thought this should come out. I even wrote a book about that.”
In the early 2000s, I was told that a pre-contract, or more correctly a letter of intent, existed between Ayrton Senna and Cesare Fiorio, team manager of Ferrari from 1989 until the Monaco GP two years later, for the Brazilian to race for Ferrari in ’91 and ‘92. The legend had it that Fioro possessed the pre-contract and kept it in his safe. So this year, I decided to seek out the first-hand story of this agreement.

“My priority when I went to Ferrari in 1989 was to have the best available driver”, remembers Mr. Fiorio, “And of course Senna was first on my shopping list, second was [Alain] Prost and of course [Nigel] Mansell whom I had in the team. My goal was to replace Gerhard Berger with Senna, so I started talks immediately. Senna pointed out that he had a contract for next year, so we could not do any deal. We decided to talk again soon. I managed to bring Prost to the team [for 1990] who created a very good lineup with Mansell.”

“In 1990, I tried again to speak with Ayrton, who was interested in coming to Ferrari, so the initial approach was very easy, since we both wanted to collaborate. After the Brazilian GP of 1990, a race we won with Alain, I didn’t leave Sao Paolo on Sunday evening and I stayed for one more day. Senna sent a chauffeur to pick me up from my hotel and he drove me to his house. I remember staying there from 9 in the morning to 7 in the afternoon to talk about all the issues, because later I had a flight to catch. There were no managers, no lawyers, just me and him. We stopped the conversation for a quick lunch with members of his family and we went back on. At the end of the day we had solved the 80% of the issues, and practically the 80% of the deal was done. We said goodbye with the aim to speak again in the near future.”

“The near future was the Thursday before the French GP that took place at Le Castellet, at the start of July. We used to travel with a private plane to the track, so the plane made a stop to Nice and I went out. The rest continued. I went to see Ayrton at his home in Monaco. We continued the talks to finish the rest 20% that was remaining and some other small issues, like the fact that he had a Nacional Sponsorship on his cap while we had reserved it for Philipp Morris. But those are details if you had to bring in Senna to Ferrari.”

So when Fiorio went back to Maranello after the French GP, a race that Ferrari won, he wrote a letter of intent, noting all the issues they discussed and he sent it to Senna so he could sign and return it from his fax machine.

“This was used, as to say, against me from the Ferrari President, Mr. Piero Fusaro, who started a personal war against me and he couldn’t win. I took over the team and brought success, but he found a system and by that he beat me. Fusaro went to Prost with the LOI and informed him that I was trying to bring in Senna. From that moment onwards, I had trouble in my collaboration with Prost. Things started getting very complicated and the situation went unbearable. So I had to quit”.
“So that transfer was never completed. I kept this document in my safe for almost 20 years and recently I thought this should come out. I even wrote a book about that.”

PURE PASSION
25th April 2014, 19:03
But how did Senna reacted when Mr. Fiorio first approached him?
“I was young in F1,” says Mr. Fiorio. “Although I took part in many championships, prototypes and so on, I was young in F1, and he didn’t know me as a manager. He told me right away that he couldn’t come because he had a contract. I said that there is no issue, since I needed time to build the correct team for him”.

Did Ayrton had any special requests though?
“He had some things that he asked,” Mr. Fiorio recalls. “He wanted to know the plan we had on technical enforcement and he asked to bring in Steve Nichols from McLaren because he knew him very well and he wanted to change environment. But I wanted also to enforce my team since I had broken up with John Barnard. So I asked him to point out what he thought it could suit."

Did Senna asked for a specific teammate?
“No no no”, says Mr. Fiorio. “The only thing he said was that I should find the fastest available. This was a surprise for me because all the top drivers wanted someone that wasn’t as fast, so they could control him. But he said that he wanted to have the fastest available so he can be sure that he gets out the maximum from Qualifying and the Races, but if he wouldn’t be as fast he would know that he didn’t do the best job he could. And this was a surprise."

Later on, Mr. Fiorio and Senna met several times at the paddock but they kept the dealings discreet. The deal never concluded, but even now, more than 20 years later it’s yet fascinating to learn details about the biggest pilot transfer in the sport history. There are a lot of F1 fans out there that would have gone crazy if that deal was fulfilled. The greatest driver in the F1 history, amongst with the legendary Prancing Horse. It’s almost certain that history would have been a lot different for both of them._
This is the document that Mr Fiorio kindly granted to GOCAR:
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http://www.gocar.gr/races/f1/12562,Ayrton_Senna_at_Ferrari_A_deal_that_was_.htm l

Hornet
25th April 2014, 19:53
Thanks for sharing this :thumb

And wow, what a shame internal politics and infighting got in the way.

Tifoso
25th April 2014, 20:39
Couldn't stand the hideous character (other words more accurately descriptive are available but not suitable for a family forum) so glad it never sat in a Ferrari.

After Suzuka 1990 I'd have happily seen him executed.

Didn't shed any crocodile tears 4 years later.

Man was a genius. The only non-Ferrari guy that I am a fan of. He would have been brilliant here.

Senna4Ever
25th April 2014, 21:08
Man was a genius. The only non-Ferrari guy that I am a fan of. He would have been brilliant here.

:thumb
even didn't knew it that there was already a letter of intent ...

Nero Horse
25th April 2014, 21:52
Don't like Senna as a Mclaren driver, but if he had driven for Ferrari then I'm sure he would've been brilliant and I would absolutely love him right now. But because he was the golden boy of the disgusting Mclaren camp I have no warm feelings towards him, although I certainly respect him and consider him as one of the best drivers ever. He was fast and good, no doubt about that, facts speak for themselves, but as the favorite son of uncle Ron and the vile Macca gang I will always think of Senna as the enemy. My support and love is reserved only for Ferrari and Ferrari drivers.

Sanomas
25th April 2014, 23:15
Man was a genius. The only non-Ferrari guy that I am a fan of. He would have been brilliant here.

This is also my thoughts...a professional driver and drive to win, he would be just Senna!

brembo man
26th April 2014, 05:51
Ferrari missed out, he was the best ever during his time in F1. Now Ferrari has Alonso, who is the best now in F1.

stefa
26th April 2014, 07:22
Why not?

Are we not supposed to give our honest opinion?

After Suzuka 1990 this Tifoso would have found it difficult to support such a man.

And you watched last GP of 1997 season in Jerez?

stefa
26th April 2014, 07:37
Yes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Schumi got into the car that morning with intent.

There is a big difference.

... any way, I see from your posts above that there is no point of arguing further with you about this topic... But at least show some respect for dead person!
I didn't like him also, and to be true with all you here. I don't like any who is not driving for Ferrari. I was absolute disgusted with MS, coz' he was destroying the field and therefore Ferrari also. I am Ferrari supporter only! Team over driver!

abbottcostello
26th April 2014, 07:55
:wave
Is he not supposed to give his honest opinion?

Methinks thou doth protest too much

abbottcostello
26th April 2014, 07:59
... any way, I see from your posts above that there is no point of arguing further with you about this topic... But at least show some respect for dead person!
I didn't like him also, and to be true with all you here. I don't like any who is not driving for Ferrari. I was absolute disgusted with MS, coz' he was destroying the field and therefore Ferrari also. I am Ferrari supporter only! Team over driver!
All good points :thumb

wisepie
26th April 2014, 08:55
I was never a Senna fan for the same reasons as Nero Horse, he drove for Mclaren and then Williams, so that was a no-no. I admired his talent but not his methods, of course if he'd been in a Ferrari, I'd have supported him, just like I did with Michael. Whether Ferrari could have provided him with the car he needed is another matter, but a lost opportunity nonetheless.

ManFromMilan
26th April 2014, 09:16
Couldn't stand the hideous character (other words more accurately descriptive are available but not suitable for a family forum) so glad it never sat in a Ferrari.

After Suzuka 1990 I'd have happily seen him executed.

Didn't shed any crocodile tears 4 years later.




I think there is something wrong with you........just sharing my thoughts by the way.

Senna was absolutely phenomenal. I know a direct comparison can never be made of drivers in F1, but for me he is the best ever.

It is truly a shame he never donned the Scuderia red overalls. It was a dream and a passion of him and he would have driven for Ferrari before he retired.

RIP

AfterLife
26th April 2014, 09:44
To all the Formula1 drivers that are not among us, Rest in peace.
I am happy with all my heart that the safety of the cars and regulations nowadays is superb.

brembo man
26th April 2014, 11:23
We all know how Alonso will come from nowhere up to the front with no fear. [ podium last race]. I remember Prost being quoted in an interview saying,
" The biggest fear in F1 is looking in your mirror and seeing that yellow helmet!" Prost joined Williams in 93 only if they put a clause in the contract that Senna couldn't join the team for a year. Ayrton was the best!

mark p
26th April 2014, 14:03
Don't like Senna as a Mclaren driver, but if he had driven for Ferrari then I'm sure he would've been brilliant and I would absolutely love him right now. But because he was the golden boy of the disgusting Mclaren camp I have no warm feelings towards him, although I certainly respect him and consider him as one of the best drivers ever. He was fast and good, no doubt about that, facts speak for themselves, but as the favorite son of uncle Ron and the vile Macca gang I will always think of Senna as the enemy. My support and love is reserved only for Ferrari and Ferrari drivers.

+1. Too me I will always hate him as he never drove a Ferrari and had all his success with that horrible team from Woking, plus what he did in 1990. If he drove for Ferrari I would have loved him but he did not so do not care. Same with Alonso, as he drove a McLaren I hated him until 2010 when he drove a Ferrari, love him now.

Kingdom Hearts
26th April 2014, 14:46
Ferrari has the modern Senna, is called Fernando Alonso. :lou

http://abload.de/img/bmjxtnoceaabhefqrdj6.jpg

mark p
26th April 2014, 14:53
Ferrari has the modern Senna, is called Fernando Alonso. :lou

http://abload.de/img/bmjxtnoceaabhefqrdj6.jpg

Why has the Imola tribute got the banking from Monza on it and not a picture of the Tamburello corner?

PURE PASSION
26th April 2014, 16:53
For me , i grow up watcing him become one of the greatest and in the same time i was already a ferrari fan mostly on production cars!!!So there was a conflict in me and my biggest desire was him dressed in reds!!!!!
Later i was thrilled watcing MC achieving all this unprecedented results but i never comper him with ayrton.
Now i have to say that watcing Fernando i see a lot of ayrton in him!!!!So its like half of my dream came true!!!!!:thumb

Nero Horse
26th April 2014, 17:03
...a farrari fan...

http://i.imgur.com/JRXWcON.gif *sigh*

Hornet
26th April 2014, 17:25
Now, don't let facts get in the way of the Senna myth.

What myth? It's just a background picture for a tribute you probably don't care much about anyway

wisepie
26th April 2014, 17:41
Given the best equipment as Senna was with Mclaren, Fernando would certainly be up there with Ayrton. Even with the ups and downs of his stint at Ferrari so far, he is already legendary.

PURE PASSION
26th April 2014, 18:18
http://i.imgur.com/JRXWcON.gif *sigh*
Yes,terrible mistake!!!!!!:ouch

Greig
26th April 2014, 19:47
It is a myth that Senna was the greatest.

It's an opinion, not sure where you got the greatest from the picture though?

Don't think anyone has said he was the greatest either?

ManFromMilan
26th April 2014, 22:57
It's an opinion, not sure where you got the greatest from the picture though?

Don't think anyone has said he was the greatest either?




Oh i do parabolica, i do say he is the greatest ever. Just if you ever wondered.:clap

Sorry Greig, but i don't care what parabolica believes or thinks about anything at all;-)

Alesi1
27th April 2014, 02:10
Oh i do parabolica, i do say he is the greatest ever. Just if you ever wondered.:clap

Sorry Greig, but i don't care what parabolica believes or thinks about anything at all;-)

Me too. No one was better, more committed ever. Just look at what the drivers think and it gives you the best measure. Senna always comes out on top of driver ratings.

brembo man
27th April 2014, 07:05
+1. Too me I will always hate him as he never drove a Ferrari and had all his success with that horrible team from Woking, plus what he did in 1990. If he drove for Ferrari I would have loved him but he did not so do not care. Same with Alonso, as he drove a McLaren I hated him until 2010 when he drove a Ferrari, love him now.

I have to assume you were a big fan of Rubens and loved him too. Very cool !

RedRebel40
27th April 2014, 09:00
I read that the contract schumi got was the one which was ready for Senna.

Nero Horse
27th April 2014, 16:08
I read that the contract schumi got was the one which was ready for Senna.

Where did you read that? Link?

Nero Horse
27th April 2014, 16:29
Me too. No one was better, more committed ever. Just look at what the drivers think and it gives you the best measure. Senna always comes out on top of driver ratings.

Don't exaggerate. Schumi was just as good and just as committed, if not even more so. But if you think that Senna was the greatest of all-time then fair enough, you're entitled to your own opinion and I'm not going to argue, in my opinion Schumi is the greatest and always will be. Actually, it's basically impossible to compare drivers from different eras and definitively say who's the best of all-time.

stefa
27th April 2014, 19:50
Actually, it's basically impossible to compare drivers from different eras and definitively say who's the best of all-time.

Exactly! :clap

Gerhard Berger
27th April 2014, 20:58
Any truth to the rumours that Senna would have signed with us in 1996 (instead of Schumacher) ?

Senna4Ever
28th April 2014, 07:25
It is amazing how this day stick in some peoples mind ...
I can nearly remember the whole weekend and where I was when I heard about Rubens, Roland and Ayrton ... and after all these years and you look behind you can see how destiny is weaving its result which leads you to this point ...

The thing at this point which makes me angry most was the way they treated the accident of Roland. As he died at the track there should have been a stopping of the whole weekend (as law is telling) ... But it was only Roland ... and that's where some arrogated destiny too much ..

Reading a comment by Sid Watkins that he felt when soul of Ayrton passed away and left his body ... and still the race went on ... as his official dead had been moved to another point ...

stefa
28th April 2014, 10:36
It is amazing how this day stick in some peoples mind ...
I can nearly remember the whole weekend and where I was when I heard about Rubens, Roland and Ayrton ... and after all these years and you look behind you can see how destiny is weaving its result which leads you to this point ...

The thing at this point which makes me angry most was the way they treated the accident of Roland. As he died at the track there should have been a stopping of the whole weekend (as law is telling) ... But it was only Roland ... and that's where some arrogated destiny too much ..

Reading a comment by Sid Watkins that he felt when soul of Ayrton passed away and left his body ... and still the race went on ... as his official dead had been moved to another point ...

I saw, a time ago, movie SENNA. Nice look into his private and racing life. At some points very emotional...

Senna4Ever
28th April 2014, 15:07
SENNA is really a great documentary ... really like it ... like a enjoyed RUSH ... i.e. maybe it is a bit too heroic and much more a tale but I never knew that Lauda was also good in technique. My picture from Lauda was more a "calculator" (similar like Prost) and fine in tactics. But RUSH also offers that Lauda was good in understanding how to change a car technique wise ...

regarding Senna

from german paper ams
actual interview with Newey

"I made mistake at the aerodynamics of the car," admits Newey, now head of Red Bull Technology, in an interview with the online edition of auto motor und sport (ams).
"The window to ground clearances, where the car was working, was too small." That's also one theory why Senna lost control of his vehicle in Imola on the bumps of the Tamburello curve.
"I was at the track (remark during a test session) and have watched our car. Nogaro (test track) was like Imola: a track with very many bumps. I immediately realized what the problem was our car. The side boxes were too long," said Newey.

Somewhere over the bumps the air flow in the diffuser disturbed and broke, because the front end of the track side boxes were too close. The time to Imola was to short to change it.

The fact that Williams still stood in all three races on pole position, you have only to thank Senna. "No other driver would have done it with this car."

And this - for me - makes the difference between a good driver and an extraordinary one: to get things done where you don't feel comfortable and even the technicians say it is not possible ... just being like a the reason why the bumble bee just flies ...

brembo man
29th April 2014, 08:24
Me too. No one was better, more committed ever. Just look at what the drivers think and it gives you the best measure. Senna always comes out on top of driver ratings.

I couldn't agree more! And imagine if Senna had the likes of Todt behind him giving the Let him pass on the radio like Rubens teamate had going for him from the first race to the end, just in case he needed a point or two or not. Senna for sure was the best. I'm sure even Prost would agree.

abbottcostello
29th April 2014, 09:17
I saw, a time ago, movie SENNA. Nice look into his private and racing life. At some points very emotional...
Just watched it again Sunday nite, at least the 2nd & maybe 3rd time. The man was amazing on the track & even better off the track, has left a lasting mark with the foundation he quietly started. Also his success brought a lot of joy to the people of Brazil at a time things were extremely bad for them. The thing for me was always the passion & commitment he brought, just like all the rest of the great ones. Plus he was just so likable to me.

Senna4Ever
29th April 2014, 12:38
:( ... Rubens ... destiny's wake up call ...

too bad I'm not able to watch "The last team mate" and "Remember Roland" on skysports ...

abbottcostello
30th April 2014, 10:01
:( ... Rubens ... destiny's wake up call ...

too bad I'm not able to watch "The last team mate" and "Remember Roland" on skysports ...
Wonder if they have these on their websites? I'll have to at least check it tomorrow, nothing at all like those titles in USA.

vcs316
30th April 2014, 15:27
Luca di Montezemolo has revealed that Ayrton Senna wanted to join the Scuderia and that the two met for talks just days before the Brazilian's fatal accident at the San Marino Grand Prix.

Montezemolo's comments come ahead of the 20th anniversary of Senna's death this week on May 1, with the Ferrari president claiming that they were going to look at how they 'could overcome his contractual obligations at the time', although he didn't reveal precisely when the three-time F1 world champion wanted to switch teams.

“He wanted to come to Ferrari and I wanted him in the team,” Montezemolo told Ferrari's official website. “When he was in Italy for the San Marino Grand Prix, we met at my home in Bologna on Wednesday 27 April.

“He told me he really appreciated the stand we had taken against the excessive use of electronic aids for driving, which didn't allow a driver's skill to shine through.

"We spoke for a long time and he made it clear to me that he wanted to end his career at Ferrari, having come close to joining us a few years earlier. We agreed to meet again soon, so as to look at how we could overcome his contractual obligations at the time. We were both in agreement that Ferrari would be the ideal place for him to further his career, which to date had been brilliant, even unique.

“Unfortunately, fate robbed all of us of Ayrton and Roland Ratzenberger over one of the saddest weekends in Formula 1 history.”

Montezemolo meanwhile also spoke of his admiration for Brazilian: “Of Senna, I remember his kindness and his simple almost shy nature, which was in complete contrast to Senna the driver, a fighter always aiming for the best.”

“I always appreciated Ayrton's style of racing,” Montezemolo added. “As with all great champions, he had an incredible will to win and never tired of seeking perfection, trying to improve all the time.

“He was really extraordinary in qualifying, but also a great battler in the races, when he always fought tooth and nail”.

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/203831/1/montezemolo-senna-wanted-to-come-to-ferrari.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

Nero Horse
30th April 2014, 15:47
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tV_hC-KdO8o/UZw14ifAzbI/AAAAAAAAIFA/scbDVo6B99o/s640/senna_na_ferrari.jpg

His yellow helmet would've looked great in a red Ferrari that's for sure.

wisepie
30th April 2014, 18:13
It would have been great, but the pic of the No27 Ferrari brings back memories of Gilles whose career ended just as tragically. Not a nice memory.

Senna4Ever
30th April 2014, 20:01
Remember Roland ... worked so hard for his dream to come true, without the help of big money ... and then ended so quick by horror ...

anacleto
1st May 2014, 06:46
A few fans here use the word hate towards any driver who's not or was not driving for Ferrari. Am I safe here saying although Alonso is my favorite driver because he's the best and is on my favorite team, I still follow and wish the best for Felipe at Williams? I always thought of Ayrton as the best and wished him on Ferrari.

abbottcostello
1st May 2014, 07:19
A few fans here use the word hate towards any driver who's not or was not driving for Ferrari. Am I safe here saying although Alonso is my favorite driver because he's the best and is on my favorite team, I still follow and wish the best for Felipe at Williams? I always thought of Ayrton as the best and wished him on Ferrari.
You're safe with most or at least many here. Only a few that seem to not like Felipe, a little more that say now that he's not w/Ferrari he's just another driver. Then, it seems to me, there are many that still like him very much & would be happy to see him do well as long as it's not at Ferrari's expense!
There is the Forza Felipe (http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/31602-Forza-Felipe!-AKA-The-Felipe-Massa-Support-Group-Massa-amp-Alcoholics-Anonymous) topic in the General Discussions section of the forum where members can go for a quick "Felipe Fix".
I've been a Ferrari supporter for a long, long time, but through all those years there have always been notable drivers on other teams that I admired. After a while as a fan, I realized they were just there to ripen until Ferrari were ready to "pick" them. :lol

anacleto
1st May 2014, 11:22
I couldn't agree more! There's F1 teams and then there's Ferrari. It's every drivers dream. Think about just how lucky Kimi is! Twice with the best! Go figure ?

Liscia
1st May 2014, 12:05
I admired Senna's craft but never really hoped he'd come to Ferrari though I
would have supported him if he had - as I would anyone who drove/drives
for our team. My problem was with Senna's self-righteous attitude but that's
now all in the past and no one has to answer to me anyway.

sreenivaschinne
7th May 2014, 07:26
its really had to say who is great! Aryton was the best driver and records say Michael is the greatest......................

Now that Aryton was the real MAN, people love him for his character, on the record books Michael over shadows Aryton, yes Aryton din race for as many years as Michael did.
Just like Fernando Aryton would push hard with a low performance car to a stunning results, but when we see records, Sebastian is the winner. History speaks of records, may be after few years when non of us would be alive, future generation would speak of Sebastian was better than Fernando, which is not true as we all know now!

What to say and what to comment is diffficult, we love Aryton for his killer instinct which was not seen much with other drivers at that time. Truly we would like to see the best driver win the race and championship, but we are witnessing a decent driver winning the championship! Alas, really confused to comment!

This is in no contention that am a ferrari fan, the words i wrote is as a neutral person.

Being a Fernando fan, i really want to see him winning and suppressing the records.

Sanomas
10th May 2014, 08:37
I couldn't agree more! There's F1 teams and then there's Ferrari. It's every drivers dream. Think about just how lucky Kimi is! Twice with the best! Go figure ?

Yeah! When first time I saw Kimi in red in 2007, it felt weird! See him in Ferrari that is always I wanted...he went off at 2010, gone to rally but came back to F1 and finally returned to Ferrari team...I'm just very happy to see that.

Brembo
10th October 2021, 08:34
What great Memories !!

Nick Singer
10th October 2021, 16:07
No Scuderia driver has ever truly been 'bigger' than Ferrari. Gilles got close, one of the few drivers Enzo cared for/ about...

Brembo
11th October 2021, 10:12
2021 and Ferrari is still a drivers #1 wish. Leclerc and Sainz are deserving of the seats.

aroutis
12th October 2021, 13:42
its really had to say who is great! Aryton was the best driver and records say Michael is the greatest......................

Now that Aryton was the real MAN, people love him for his character, on the record books Michael over shadows Aryton, yes Aryton din race for as many years as Michael did.
Just like Fernando Aryton would push hard with a low performance car to a stunning results, but when we see records, Sebastian is the winner. History speaks of records, may be after few years when non of us would be alive, future generation would speak of Sebastian was better than Fernando, which is not true as we all know now!

What to say and what to comment is diffficult, we love Aryton for his killer instinct which was not seen much with other drivers at that time. Truly we would like to see the best driver win the race and championship, but we are witnessing a decent driver winning the championship! Alas, really confused to comment!

This is in no contention that am a ferrari fan, the words i wrote is as a neutral person.

Being a Fernando fan, i really want to see him winning and suppressing the records.

With Michael, it's not the numbers that make him the one and true GOAT.
It's how he was involved and how he built the team and changed the attitude of the garage.
The very fact that while he was already accomplished in Benetton Ford, he did choose to go in a Ferrari with a lot of troubles, in order to take them (along with a number of people, yes) back to the titles.
He could have very well chosen to stay to Benetton and the way Benneton Ford was, he would have at least another 1-2 WDC right there.
But no, he fought from 1996 to 2000 in order to accomplish the 2000 - 2004 period.
The 2000 was actually a WDC/WCC that was accomplished with a car that was not the best in the field, something rarely accomplished in F1.

wisepie
12th October 2021, 18:01
With Michael, it's not the numbers that make him the one and true GOAT.
It's how he was involved and how he built the team and changed the attitude of the garage.
The very fact that while he was already accomplished in Benetton Ford, he did choose to go in a Ferrari with a lot of troubles, in order to take them (along with a number of people, yes) back to the titles.
He could have very well chosen to stay to Benetton and the way Benneton Ford was, he would have at least another 1-2 WDC right there.
But no, he fought from 1996 to 2000 in order to accomplish the 2000 - 2004 period.
The 2000 was actually a WDC/WCC that was accomplished with a car that was not the best in the field, something rarely accomplished in F1.

Quite agree, aroutis, but the likelihood of that sort of team building using the best people available and having the patience, skill and determination to achieve their goals is asking possibly too much in this day and age. To have had Brawn and Todt in for the long haul was a credit to Michael's pulling power as a driver, there's no comparison with what he achieved from a relatively poor base point. We are starting to see Binotto's efforts pay off but he is a technical expert, we also have two of the best drivers, so let's pray that we can return to the top step in the near future. Much as I admired and supported Michael and what he did for our team, I was more of a Felipe fan, but that's just me!

aroutis
14th October 2021, 11:12
Quite agree, aroutis, but the likelihood of that sort of team building using the best people available and having the patience, skill and determination to achieve their goals is asking possibly too much in this day and age. To have had Brawn and Todt in for the long haul was a credit to Michael's pulling power as a driver, there's no comparison with what he achieved from a relatively poor base point. We are starting to see Binotto's efforts pay off but he is a technical expert, we also have two of the best drivers, so let's pray that we can return to the top step in the near future. Much as I admired and supported Michael and what he did for our team, I was more of a Felipe fan, but that's just me!

This is the thing tho, isn't it?
That pulling power of Michael, as a driver, is exactly what makes him stand out.
As for Binotto, for the sake of Ferrari, I do hope he succeeds. And I believe he will judging from the results so far.

wisepie
14th October 2021, 12:35
This is the thing tho, isn't it?
That pulling power of Michael, as a driver, is exactly what makes him stand out.
As for Binotto, for the sake of Ferrari, I do hope he succeeds. And I believe he will judging from the results so far.

It's taken a long time for Binotto's input to be showing some gains, and the team were hamstrung after the 2019 engine saga, but it does finally look to to be bearing fruit judging by Sochi and Turkey.